air cooling solutions

[dnoam]

after a dissapointing run with the corsaair hydro 100 as i had to replace 2 units i decided to go for an air cooling solution but i run into space issue , i am using the 1st pci-e slot as i am installing 3 cards and i am using 16 gb of memory so the b2 and d2 are used.as a result i am remaining with a bit small place to place on of those huge 3 fans cooler , any idea for a good solution will be welcomed.thanks

[HiVizMan]

Welcome to the forum. It might be rather helpful if we had an idea as to what your system was.

Regards

[dnoam]

1. Rampage extreme 4 2011
2 .3 Asus GTX 560 TI Direct CU2 TOP
3.16 GB G- SKILL
4 I-7 3930
5. Obsidian 800d

[HiVizMan]

The Gskill ram do not have a very high heat sink you should be able to use any high end cooler.

Noctua NH-D14, Thermalright Silver Arrow and Phanteks PH-TC14PE

[dnoam]

Thanks for the quick respond.i would have thought that the space problem is with the card at the 1st pci-e slot and not so much with the G-Skill.i just want to know if sombody have experience with that kind of set up ( big aircool device with card at the first slot)
Thanks

[HiVizMan]

I run multiple cards using the first slot.

Your fan position is over the furtherest ram slots pushing the air out of the case. The fan will never be near to the GPU. Or at least it should not.

[dnoam]

It might by not the right place to ask that question but as you know it all.. i would like to know where do i find that 4 pin EZ _ PLUG _2 power cable?
Thanks.

[HiVizMan]

HAHA if only that was true, but I most certainly do not know it all. We just like to pass on what little we know to those who ask.



Getting back to your question The 4 pin EZ plug is simply an old stiffy drive connector. Most power supplies have one on the end of the 4 pin molex strand. OR if your PSU does not have one you can pick up an adaptor very easily from ebay or your local electronics store.

I take it then that you intend to run more than 32GB or ram then.

[Helios1234]

Any reasons you are using 3 GTX560Tis? As far as I know, they don't support Tri-SLI unless they are the 448 shader ones.

Anyway, as for air cooling recommendations, the three mentioned above are terrific. If the G-Skill memory you are getting are the RipJaw-X/Z, then they are 1cm taller than low profile modules so the Phanteks and Silver Arrow might have issues with the front fans.

Have a look at this review: http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/alpenfoehn_k2_cpu_cooler_revisited,10.html

The Alpenfohn K2 is another alternative that like the Noctua NH-D14 has a front 120mm fan that can be adjusted to accommodate slightly taller memory modules.

As for your concerns regarding the first PCIe slot, the best thing to do would be to have a look at the width of those 4 coolers and see how they would fit on the motherboard.

[NightDiver]

If the big brick-style coolers are a bit tight, you can also take a look at the Zalman CNPS9900Max. The asymmetric cooling fins keep the cooler from overhanging your RAM (which allows you to add additional cooling there if you want). Since it is round rather than a block, it also curves away from the PCI-e slot and gives video cards plenty of room. It may not give quite the cooling as the big blocks, but for nearly silent performance, its compatibility with other components footprint-wise, and its ability to handle moderate OC'ing, it might be a valid option for you. Below is a pic of one in use in my current system.
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[dnoam]

Any reasons you are using 3 GTX560Tis? As far as I know, they don't support Tri-SLI unless they are the 448 shader ones.

Anyway, as for air cooling recommendations, the three mentioned above are terrific. If the G-Skill memory you are getting are the RipJaw-X/Z, then they are 1cm taller than low profile modules so the Phanteks and Silver Arrow might have issues with the front fans.

Have a look at this review: http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/alpenfoehn_k2_cpu_cooler_revisited,10.html

The Alpenfohn K2 is another alternative that like the Noctua NH-D14 has a front 120mm fan that can be adjusted to accommodate slightly taller memory modules.

As for your concerns regarding the first PCIe slot, the best thing to do would be to have a look at the width of those 4 coolers and see how they would fit on the motherboard.

i am not using the sli mode at all , i need to power a total of 8-10 screens , so 6 i get from the 3 cards and the rest i get from Triple Head2Go from Matrox , i found during the years that those gaming cards are delivering much better results in multi screen solution , are better built and a result lasting longer. i am using today 3 Nvidia 8800 GTX and simply upgrading my system. basicly all gaming orientd equipment is the best design and built.0

[dnoam]

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If the big brick-style coolers are a bit tight, you can also take a look at the Zalman CNPS9900Max. The asymmetric cooling fins keep the cooler from overhanging your RAM (which allows you to add additional cooling there if you want). Since it is round rather than a block, it also curves away from the PCI-e slot and gives video cards plenty of room. It may not give quite the cooling as the big blocks, but for nearly silent performance, its compatibility with other components footprint-wise, and its ability to handle moderate OC'ing, it might be a valid option for you. Below is a pic of one in use in my current system.
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this is exectly my issue i am using the first expention slot why by your set up is closed , as a result my sapce is much limited.here is a picture of my firsts stepes( the 3rd card is not installed yet..

[HiVizMan]

I do not understand why you think you can not fit your cooler and have your card in that first slot? My cooler fits quite comfortably.

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Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C CPU Cooler my fan sits over the ram sticks no problem.

[UltraNEO*]

If you take a look at this image, you'll learn the Thermalright Silver Arrow, will physically fit though you'd wanna swap out the stock fans since they do poke out a little. However the slightly more compact Noctua D14 will undoughably fit too!!

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[dnoam]

I do not understand why you think you can not fit your cooler and have your card in that first slot? My cooler fits quite comfortably.

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Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C CPU Cooler my fan sits over the ram sticks no problem.

To the one who knows it all.........................
before i went to buy the above cpu cooler i went to check the Hydro 100 and it seems i was the one to blame , it worked flawlessly in the shop , put it back again and nothing , cahnged cables , socket etc still dead , acn it be somthing that i do wrong with the motherboard, do i miss somthing ???? basicly it is just the 1st boot and i am stuck..........
Thanks in advance.

[HiVizMan]

:D :D

Not to worry my friend we will work out why your H100 is not working for you.

Let us take it in small steps.

Have you mounted the cooler?

If yes, have you connected the fans and the power cables yet?

If yes can you share with me how you have connected them, which fan headers are you using?
Can you test each fan header that you use with another fan to see if the fan header is working?



Here is a vid showing how this bloke installed his.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TagPUtuVgs

[dnoam]

looks tye same as by me............:mad:6018
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[UltraNEO*]

:D :D

Not to worry my friend we will work out why your H100 is not working for you.

Let us take it in small steps.

Have you mounted the cooler?

If yes, have you connected the fans and the power cables yet?

If yes can you share with me how you have connected them, which fan headers are you using?
Can you test each fan header that you use with another fan to see if the fan header is working?



Here is a vid showing how this bloke installed his.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TagPUtuVgs

LoVizBoy,

When I was buying mine, I checked out the Corsair forums and discovered there has been having loads of technical glitches varying from leaks to malfunctions. I'd say there's a fair chance the OP unwillingly received an unit from one of the bad batches floating around.

[dnoam]

1. it was checket at the shop this morning , worke d flawlessly

[UltraNEO*]

1. it was checket at the shop this morning , worke d flawlessly

OK.. Then tell us what it's not doing, as installing them is pretty much fool proof!!

[dnoam]

it is dead.........................

[HiVizMan]

Yeah your install looks good to me from images but that does not take away the possibility that one or the fan headers is not working on the board. Could you test that for me.

[dnoam]

Yeah your install looks good to me from images but that does not take away the possibility that one or the fan headers is not working on the board. Could you test that for me.

1.to which fan header i should conect now the cpu cooler
2.if this is the case how do i solve it?
3.made a small test , connected the blue ray writer to the power supply , now the whole machine is not starting up, click and dead, took it out the machine is fireing but the cooler is dead.
thanks.

[dnoam]

1.connected the fan to the other fan ports at the top part of the motheboard , nothing came out.
i thin k that might be a faulty outputs in the Bequiet Pro 1200 although it is very strange as i uninstalled it from perfectly working computer
2.can it be any other reason that the machine is not firing up when i conect the blue ray writer to the power supply ? does it matter thatit is 1st boot on that board?
thanks

[dnoam]

Yeah your install looks good to me from images but that does not take away the possibility that one or the fan headers is not working on the board. Could you test that for me.

:o:o:o:o pls do not leave me , found the problem , fan is firing pupm seems to work BUT , bord is full of changing numbers till it stands on A0 than it stopps after a min, nothing on the screen , monitor is not activated.
thanks

[HiVizMan]

hehe

Not a problem. I am not going anywhere for now.


Lets take this in small steps.


Power your system completely down.
Press the clear CMOS button at the back of the board, In/Out panel.
Power up.
Del to enter BIOS, or follow the prompt if your system has failed an overclock.
Once in BIOS F5 and enter.
F10 and enter.
You are now in default settings.
Does your system boot into OS



And there we stop for now. :cool:

[dnoam]

hehe

Not a problem. I am not going anywhere for now.


Lets take this in small steps.


Power your system completely down.
Press the clear CMOS button at the back of the board, In/Out panel.
Power up.
Del to enter BIOS, or follow the prompt if your system has failed an overclock.
Once in BIOS F5 and enter.
F10 and enter.
You are now in default settings.
Does your system boot into OS



And there we stop for now. :cool:


i installed just 2 grafic cards n no ssd or another hard drive yet , no blue ray , nothing , just wnat to take it step by step , want to get " DISK BOOT FAILUER ......... " and than continue.anyhow thanks and i will keep you updated.....:o

[dnoam]

tell me pls if i am overdoing it................. i will understand (my wife is saying the same)
i follow your instructions but i cannot keep the system up , it is quickly shut down
thanks

[HiVizMan]

OK so your system it will not post to BIOS?

[dnoam]

it will, reached till F 10 and than after few seconds shut down.

[HiVizMan]

So you get into BIOS.
You can press F5 and enter.
Then when you press F10 it fails.


Remove your SLi graphic cards. Take one card out and only boot with one for now. Maybe your PSU is not happy.

Change your BIOS - use the switch on the left hand side of the motherboard to change BIOS chips. You will see the orange light jump from one place to another place about 3 cm's apart.

Once you have done that. Do the steps I posted

Lets take this in small steps.
Power your system completely down.
Press the clear CMOS button at the back of the board, In/Out panel.
Power up.
Del to enter BIOS, or follow the prompt if your system has failed an overclock.
Once in BIOS F5 and enter.
F10 and enter.
You are now in default settings.
Does your system boot into OS

[dnoam]

Thabks for the effort , i am in the bios , but the machine stoppes after sh time , checked the cpu temprature and was 80 till closed , i guess it is the crappy h100, going to buy tomorrow one of the heavy cooler and ditched the liquid and that i will report........., any preference regarding the cooler?
Thnaks

[HiVizMan]

Yeah temp will power you down quick quick.

The following coolers I will put in my system.

http://www.prolimatech.com/en/products/index.asp?itemid=8

Megahalems range


Noctua NH-D14

and

Thermalright Venomous X

[dnoam]

To the one who knowes it all, i am there , temprature is stabel at idle mode at 25c, now did the f5 and f10 but had to close lanuelu as i do not knwo that bios, need to install dvd and sdd to be able to continue
:o waiting for furthur orders...............
Thanks

[HiVizMan]

Hi my friend.

Ok so you have your board cool and happy.

You have your BIOS set at default settings. Fail safe

Now connect your SSD to the Intel SATA ports (6G/bs) and install OS.

If you OS is installed via DVD put your DVD into the Marvell ports. Look in your user manual if you are not sure which ports are which.



I think all will be good now.

[dnoam]

thanks again , i will come back to you (do not worry ;) ) but now i have to work ..................

[dnoam]

Hi , i told you i will be back
now the funny stuff , 2 out of 3 sata 6 are recognized and the sata 3 which is the optical drive is not , ? all is working the optical drive is on and the 3rd disk sata 6 is also on but no show(this is scary stuff .......)

[HiVizMan]

Nope not at all scary. And as it should be really, I am correct in thinking you have AHCI enabled.


All that matters to you is that you see them in your OS when you wish to use them.

[dnoam]

that is waht is scary , why i see them in windows and not on the ultras advance bios???????

[dnoam]

it seems all is against me :mad:
1 can arrange the bios to boot from the ssd wher my windows instalation is
2. cannot seem to activate the network controler..........
(feeling like a baby but i never had so many issues, i guess it is for the young once)

[HiVizMan]

All will work we just need to take small steps yes.

Do you have all your drivers installed?

Is the OS a new install or one you have taken from another system?

[dnoam]

new os , and cannot install yet nothing as i cannot boot properly to my os on the ssd
this is what i see , i cannot transfer the corssair to the booting option.
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[HiVizMan]

Ah I see.

Power down and clear your CMOS.
Then in BIOS F5
Enter
Navigate to the BOOT menu.
First boot device
Select your SSD
Page up to make it the first device.

Do not disable other others just leave them.

F10 Enter

And you should no boot to OS

[dnoam]

i am good and running and all is thanks to you............:)
but you will not get rid of me yet as i will go deeper in your high-end Mob.
all of that after i will set up my system
anyhow thanks a lot and if you want to ask be about somthing ells besids computer i will be more than happy to assist
.

[HiVizMan]

anyhow thanks a lot and if you want to ask be about somthing ells besids computer i will be more than happy to assist
.


Bwaahhaaaahaaa

You are welcome my friend any time. We are always here.

[dnoam]

Hi, now all up an running but i had a small issue with fans , i have 1 fan connected to CAH_FAN3 and i tried to connect another one to OPT_FAN2 next to it and thge machine did not fired up ? is it not allown or simply bad connection?
now to the big thing . I am not a gamer or one that runs after the high number for an hooby, i simply want to creat a profile of overclocking that in it all the parameters will be defined in advance and i have to take 1 action to activate it or deactivate it , i do not want to be busy with tweaking while activating it , like pushing a switch to activate supecharge in a quick car.
i aslo would like to know if the big ocercolcking dungle that comes with the MOB has any issues with DVI type?
thanks

[HiVizMan]

Fans - Is allowed and just coincidence that stuff did not work not something to worry about.

Hmm the one action question. You can set up a profile or a save in AIsuite II and when you want to use that just select and let it happen.

Yeah the big dongle has issues with 120Mhz screens. And there is no need for you to even use it if I am honest with you. Have a play with it if you like but the overlay on your screen will drive you nuts if you are gaming.

[dnoam]

now , the inevitable question (mabybe not in that forum....) what you actually doing better or can you see big leap forward while you system is overcloced?. this is my 4th top of the line asus bord and i never overclocked , it simply the best around without overclocking.

[HiVizMan]

Look everyone has their own reason for buying the board. For some it is the sheer joy of having 1001 different tweaking options, others it is the bling aspect. Me, I use the product because right now it is the best motherboard for clocking the LGA 2011 CPU's and provides me as a bencher with the best platform. If there was a better motherboard I would use it. I am not sponsored by ASUS so I can use what ever I like.

As a bencher you overclock, and there you certainly see the difference between a standard or stock system and a hectic over clocked system. In the real world, the gains are not so clear cut, folders will see a difference, gamers will see some difference dependant on the game they play. Media design types will have improved render times. BUT we are talking reletive to stock here. Mind shatteringly quicker, no. Most of the time the normal stuff we do with a PC is not worth the effort. My 24/7 system for example is always stock.

With a ROG board the choice is yours, and because it is the best that can be made you have the confidence to know if you do decide to overclock it can and will do the job. Always assuming the other bits are up to the task of course. And that is a big thing, a PC is not just the motherboard, or just the CPU, no it is all the bits that make up the complete system and how they work together. ROG boards allow the users to better manage those differences better if they so desire.

[dnoam]

Thanks and look at MSi Big Bang xpower 2 as it seems more user friendly.

[HiVizMan]

Well the most user friendly board is the one that has no bios option. Power up and that is all. hehe

[dnoam]

Hi. in my memory instructions (RipjawsZ ] F3-14900CL9Q-16GBZL (4Gx4) it said i have to enable X.M.P manuely ?????? do i need to to touch it?

[HiVizMan]

You can but if the XMP profile works when selected then why mess with something that is not broken?

[Chris Manico]

I'll have to agree with HiVis, people buy differnt stuff for differnt reasons, myself, i like to buy top of the line, highly overclockable, even tho I only really tinker with OC, I usually run at stock clocks, my passion is tweaking settings, optimizing so that my system runs the best that it can ith what I have. My philoshy is that if I buy hardcore highend parts that can fully withstand hardcore OCing, then under my normal use they will last all that much longer.

My last pc I had for 2 years, AMD 965 BE, semi decent Giga**** mobo, decent OCZ 1600 mhz ram, EVGA gtx 285, OCZ vertex 2 90 GB, it wasnt till about 3 months before I sold it that I got it running to my liking go figure, got it to where I could boot in 12 seconds, still played most games fairly well. Not sure how many times I had to reinstall windows do to user error( messing with stuff I shouldnt have been)


This new pc is about 15 days old, I've reinstalled windows about 1/2 a dozen times, reflashed bios about the same amount of times, rebuilt raid array 3 times, not sure how many times i've rearranged things in my case trying to get better airflow. Tried Windows 8 till i went to install AISuite and it went to restart and got stuck in this rebooting loop with an error message with a frowny face on it :(, reinstall 7 time lol.