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tatmMRKIV
11-01-2012, 04:57 AM
(Games)Western Digital WD VelociRaptor WD6000HLHX 600GB 10000 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive


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Data/backup: Western Digital WD Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

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3 for VGA hotwire ASUS GTX680-DC2O-2GD5 GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

$1,059.98
($529.99 each) + 1 more at tiger direct going to hotwire if thats more beneficial that 4gb signatures


overclocking CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 Desktop Memory Model CMD16GX3M4A2400C9

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overclocking ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
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overclocking/cad/gaming Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K

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games drive Corsair Neutron Series CSSD-N240GB3-BK 2.5" 240GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

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(boot drive CAD drive and other heavy use programs) SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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$3,239.91

Cooling:


EK Supremacy ELITE CPU Liquid Cooling Block - Full Nickel - Socket 2011 w/ Indigo Xtreme

Select G 1/4" Fittings (Qty. 2): 1/2 x 3/4 Compression Fittings-Black ($18.98)

$140.97 $140.97
cst-1340
(for room enough for SR-x but plenty of room for pumps and res and radiators) Lian Li PC-D8000 Aluminum HPTX Full Tower Cube Case - Black (PC-D8000)

Select Optional Replacement Top Plate: 2 x 120mm Fan/Radiator Top (D8000-1) ($29.99)
$399.98

1(for mobo blocks and 1 for cpu) EK Mountable Dual Loop Top - Black Acetal - Dual Reservoir w/ Dual D5 Variant Pumps Installed

Pump Top Style: 5.25" Mountable D5 Dual Loop Top - Black Acetal
Reservoir Style: 2 x RES X2 - Tube 60/200mm ($22.00)
Pump Style: 2 x Alphacool VPP Variable Speed
Top Style: 2 x EK-Multioption RES X2 - Top
Adapter Style: 2 x EK Link 50/60 Reservoir Adapter
Select G 1/4" Fittings (Qty. 4): 1/2" ID Barb ($11.96)

$381.95 $381.95
ex-rad-435
2(top of case) Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta Dual 120mm Radiator - 80mm Thick!! - Custom Painted White

Select G 1/4" Fittings (Qty. 2): 1/2 x 3/4 Compression Fittings-Black ($18.98)

$133.97each $267.94
ex-rad-333
2( sides of case next to drive bays) Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper Triple 120mm Radiator

Select Optional Radiator Accessories: 3 x Phobya Decoupling Gasket ($13.50)
Select Optional Radiator Accessories: XSPC 120mm Rad Stand ($14.99)
Select G 1/4" Fittings (Qty. 2): 1/2 x 3/4 Compression Fittings-Black ($18.98)

$147.46 each $294.92
ex-rad-141
(back of case use for cpu probably) MagiCool Limited Edition "Monsta" 420/360 Triple 120mm / 140mm Xtreme Performance Radiator

Select G 1/4" Fittings (Qty. 2): 1/2 x 3/4 Compression Fittings-Black ($18.98)
Select a Second Silicon Pad: Two 3 x 140 Silicon Pad ($25.90)

$224.87 $224.87
ex-blc-1028
(overclocking!) EK ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Full Board Cooling Block Kit - Nickel CSQ (EK-FB KIT RE4 - Nickel CSQ) $127.99 $127.99
ex-tub-1105
(sound good) Monsoon Free Center Compression Fitting - 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD - Modders 6 Pack Black Chrome (FCC-1234-6P-BC) $38.99 $38.99
ex-blc-1142
3( these blocks are built for the asus 680!) EK ASUS GeForce 680 GTX DCII VGA Liquid Cooling Block - Acetal + Nickel CSQ (EK-FC680 GTX DCII - Acetal+Nickel)

Select an Optional backplate: EK 680 DC II Backplate - Black ($32.99)
Select G 1/4" Fittings (Qty. 2): 1/2 x 3/4 Compression Fittings-Black ($18.98)

$168.96 $506.88
ex-blc-1169
3 EK ASUS GeForce 680 GTX DCII VGA Liquid Cooling RAM Backplate - Black CSQ (EK-FC680 GTX DCII Backplate - Black CSQ) $32.99 $98.97
ex-res-433
2 EK-MultiOption RES X3 400 - Liquid Cooling Reservoir (6 Total Ports) $64.99 $129.98
ex-res-284
Alphacool Cape Corp Coolplex Pro 50 LT - 500mm
1
Select G 1/4" Fittings (Qty. 2): 1/2 x 3/4 Compression Fittings-Black ($18.98)

$63.97 $63.97
ex-res-395
2 AquaComputer Aqualis XT Scratch Resistance Reservoir w/ Fill Level Sensor and LED Holder, G1/4 (34041)

Select Your G1/4" Fittings!: 1/2" Barbs ($4.98)

$119.97 $119.97
ex-pmp-192
3(single loops cuz cooling performance and why not unless u can find me a way to fit another 680 on there but at that point it would be reaching the cpu limits) Aquacomputer Aquastream XT USB 12V Pump - Ultra Version (41061)

Select Adapter(s) for G1/4" Thread!: Eheim Discharge Adapter-Black ($5.99)
Select Adapter(s) for G1/4" Thread!: Eheim Intake Adapter-Black ($7.49)
Select G 1/4" Fittings (Qty. 2): 1/2 x 3/4 Compression Fittings-Black ($18.98)

$$472.23
Subtotal: $3,269.61


or an srx with 2 cheapest 8core 2 gtxs and liquid cooling

tatmMRKIV
11-01-2012, 04:58 AM
for 3d rendering and CAD. with occasional gaming

tatmMRKIV
11-01-2012, 05:07 AM
5 loop liquid cooling! possibly. i am newish to liquid but i am probably going to overclock the living **** out of it. and i also dont know how far the coolant will go through and through how many radiators perloop etc so i was figuring that dual loop d5 ek for mobo+ cpus then do an individual loop for each 680 so i can oc to insane levels... unless i should phase change but i don't know about condensation with that stuff. they even got 1 that fits GPU.


and frozen cpuhas the classified 4gb preinstalled coolers on it for 760 a piece so i was thinking about them if they are that much better than the asus 680s with the VGA hotwire feature.

kkn
11-01-2012, 10:14 AM
cpu and mobo on one loop, and gpu's in one loop.
you can get a bridge for the gpu's or you can use a "spacer" between them. ( a pipe you can adjust )
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=59_346_393_766
going dual cpu's i dont know.
whats been told to me is that you cant use both cpu's at once ( this was told to me a few years back and i dont know how it is now )
for multi monitor i would go for the 4gig cards.
for this you have to have a few radiators, its those who cools down the fluid, and fans ( you have to have a good ones here too ) have to push a good deal of air.
and you have to remember the temp in the room too.
as per now im on idle and i only cool cpu and NB and its around 30-36+c in my loop and im cooling it whit a 360 rad. ( my heating, a/c is right by it so it adds some temp )
so my guess is you will be around 5-10+c abowe the room temp. ( this is just guessing, i just started whit it too ).
personaly i would go for a dual loop there, 1 for cpu and NB ( mobo parts ) and one for the GPU's.
what sort of fans are you planing to have in there?

tatmMRKIV
11-01-2012, 05:12 PM
I was just thinking of doing 2 loops for the graphics cards atleast seeing as they are one of the main heat sources. i was looking at those dual eks and figured why not.

does the gtx680 reach limits at x8? ior how many of them is optimal on that rog board

i had been considering doing basically the same build but less gtx 680s and more processors. or should i just get a server board and get an 8core or will that not be good for gaming?

I know you go dual processors with processor biased software. either cad or its counterpart one is graphics biased one is processor biased.

and i know about bridges i was just thinking of maximum cooling capabilities as my environment is very hot during the summer. no humidity though.



and as far as fans I haent decided yet. u got any suggestions? i need 10ish 140s and 15ish 120s

kkn
11-01-2012, 06:05 PM
the r4e can do cad/cam programs. the other board is server based as you mentioned your self ( mass storrage servers for example )
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/Rampage_IV_Extreme/#specifications
always look at the specs of the board/boards your after, same whit other parts.
you dont need more the 2 680's ( my opinnion ) and you can run them in 16x ( 4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16; x16/x16; x16/x8/x16 and x16/x8/x8/x8, red) )
and runing each in seperate loop is a waste of monney realy.
run them in one loop and you will benefit of it.
run a total of 2 loops ( one on the motherboard and one on the gpu's )
1 360 for mobo and mabye 1 or 2 360's on the gpu's if your realy picky on it.
or else you have to run 2 PSU's
but do what you want.
this is my serious opinnion.

tatmMRKIV
11-01-2012, 08:50 PM
ok so just 1 pump per loop?


and do u recommend any specific fans/radiators/pumps/tubing etc or anything else i should consider?

tatmMRKIV
11-01-2012, 09:07 PM
link to 360 radiator?

kkn
11-01-2012, 09:13 PM
yes 1 pump per loop.
you should be able to cool the cpu and ram and NB whit one 360 ( 3 x 120mm )
and 2 x 680's whit one 360
or you can add a 120 and 240 to one of the loops.
if you are patient, get the pc parts and the case you want first, and then start to think about the watercooling.
that way you can plan the loop and think about what parts you need, when i ordered i did not think well tru it, and had to change things in the build prosess. i ordered first and had to send in a second and a third order later.
get fans that have good static preshure mmH2O.
i ordered some noctuas ( witch i regret i did after ) and switched them out whit some Eloop's by Noiseblocker ( Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-3 Bionic fan 1900rpm ( 120x120x25mm ) )
get fans you can controll, and try and get ones you can turn the fan speed down low on. and start voltage too.
heres a pic ( and specs ) of the ones i have, this is a internet store but it have the specs of the fans : http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/nb-eloop-b12-3.html
i have mine in push/pull config.
and you need a controller to controll all the fans too ( mobo cant handle all those fans on the headers )

kkn
11-01-2012, 09:17 PM
link to 360 radiator?
a rad is defined as the size times the amount of fans on one side
lets say you want a 360 radiator , 3 x 120 fans side by side = 360
or 420 radiator, 3 x 140 fans side by side = 420
or a 240 radiator, 2 x 120 = 240

Krindor
11-01-2012, 10:01 PM
link to 360 radiator?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14857/ex-rad-333/Alphacool_NexXxoS_UT60_Full_Copper_Triple_120mm_Ra diator.html?tl=g30c95s161
One of the best performing radiators on the market.

Here you can check reviews of different water cooling stuff:
http://martinsliquidlab.org/

For rad tests: http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/14/360-radiator-shootout-summary/

As Kkn mentioned go dual loop. I would recommend either a Dual pump bay res like Swiftech maelstrom or XSPC 5.25 pump bay res

For CPU block look here for test and review:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?282245-Stren-s-2012-CPU-Water-Block-Roundup&p=5123416&viewfull=1#post5123416

Personally I would recommend Swiftech Apogee HD for high-performance. For better looks and high performance I wold recommend XSPC Raystorm or EKWB Supremacy (Plexi or Nickel, recommend Plexi)

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 02:56 AM
I got all that in the list except i wanted to use the rebranded eheims with the ek 400 x3 over them for res look at the case
and thats supremacy nickelplated copper or whatever is whati got

i though 360 was 1080 yeah i got a giant 140mm triple on the back planned for the cpu/mobo i guess and then the 2 120mm doubles for the cards will it have enough pressure to move through 2 special edition thick nexxos. also i think I'm gonna get a k5000

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 02:58 AM
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14193/ex-rad-141/MagiCool_Limited_Edition_Monsta_420360_Triple_120m m_140mm_Xtreme_Performance_Radiator.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16949/ex-rad-435/Alphacool_NexXxoS_Monsta_Dual_120mm_Radiator_-_80mm_Thick_-_Custom_Painted_White.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15690/ex-pmp-192/Aquacomputer_Aquastream_XT_USB_12V_Pump_-_Ultra_Version_41061.html


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17510/ex-res-433/EK-MultiOption_RES_X3_400_-_Liquid_Cooling_Reservoir_6_Total_Ports.html

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 03:02 AM
cant access extreme systems...

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 03:37 AM
any suggestions on fan controllers last i heard they all were completely terrible and i figure I'll need alot of fans possibly 20. 14minimum for push pull radiators

.. and what all do i need to maximize the RIVE's potential other than waterblocks all around and 3930k and sli+
what ram should i get for overclocking cuz i wanna overclock too or should i sacrifice k5000 for a c2075

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 05:04 AM
wait what about matrix 7970s?!?!!?

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 05:16 AM
****... just tell me what graphics card is the best matrix would be fantastic but they wont have a waterblock for it

Krindor
11-02-2012, 08:57 AM
For water cooling gpu get EVGA GTX 680s with 2 or more in sli. Or you can get a reference card with a aftermarket water block.
You have the ELITE Nickel which doesn't really have any performance difference and with the nickel you can see the fluid going through the block. The plexi one should perform the same but looks better.

For ram look at dominator /Dominator GT with 4x4 or 4x8 quad kit with at least 1600 mhz. Then get a aftermarket cooler for it example: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16380/ex-blc-1145/EK_Corsair_Dominator_Series_X4_Ram_Liquid_Cooling_ Block_-_Acrylic_CSQ_EK-RAM_Dominator_X4_CSQ.html

120mm radiators have the same performance as 140mm radiators as the 120mm fans are better compared to 140mm.

driftingforlife
11-02-2012, 11:07 AM
It depends on what software you use. If it likes clock speed go with a 3930k and a RIVE. If it likes cores go with a ASUS D9 and a pair of xeons. For GPU get 2 680 lightning and waterblocks.

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 06:39 PM
sweet. cuzz some guy at toms hardware damn near convinced me that the 7970 was a better card. which is scarecly true but for a few editions that are overclocked or the 6BB sapphire toxic . but that is uin reguards to bitmining and stuff and i think that has to do with memory.

EK's website said the supremacy was better than the rest for flow



also i found out thatcad is ALL graphics card so i think i need a k5000 or a quaddro 4000 atleast

kkn
11-02-2012, 06:48 PM
well at my work they use laptops to draw, autocad and sutch.
works like a charm.

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 06:50 PM
aparently itll run fine on a dual core at 3ghz so ill run my 6core at 6ghz

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 07:07 PM
yeah? I don't know if I am just stopping at cad though. I'm still taking college classes but schools computers suck so I am building my own so I dont have to worry about losing my work. But i also have plans on taking linux classes and mechanical cad, and basically whatever else my college has I want to try game design though.

so just in case i end up getting into some hairy **** I'll have a computer that can handle it.. cuz my current pc couldnt start. and cad is easy for me so I will probably find something better to do.

mostly want a superpowerful awesome custom RoG pc.. i mean i only wanted one since i was 10 and AMD chips actually beat intel chips. and i got money so i figure now is the time.


and i want to have my own server for games. mostly i just love compputers and i want to build one that i can do crazy **** with. thats why i said beowulf

Skull6
11-02-2012, 07:09 PM
Just out of curiosity, what that particular case?

If I was your customer, I'd want to know why I'd need a ~ $400 case, as opposed to one more ~ $150-ish.

Just an honest question...

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 07:10 PM
and autocad only has workstationcards on their compatibility list

but yeha i just love computers andi finally can build a crazy one

Krindor
11-02-2012, 07:35 PM
I don't know anything about the Graphic cards for work.
Nvidia vs ATI, 680 vs 7970 it's just a personal preference.

You mentioned the Elite. The elite isn't really that much better. If you check the link I linked about CPU waterblocks the supremacy performs great but not at the top. So I would not choose the Supremacu Elite due to it's performing bein close to the normal supremacy. And the Plexi looks better.

Chino
11-02-2012, 07:43 PM
If this is a serious workstation for 3D Rendering & CAD work, Quadro is the best you can get.

Scratch those GTX 680's off your list and get as many Quadro cards as you can into that workstation.

kkn
11-02-2012, 08:16 PM
chino, from what i can remember him stating in the start of the tread.
he want it on both game and cad.

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 10:29 PM
Yeah I like playing games very much so. the cad is just an excuse to spend all that money. so i was thinkin sli 680s + a 4000 a 5000k or a good ati one for around a thousand. or if i need to spend over 2 get a tesla for all those retarded gFLops

if i was gonna build a work only workstation id get a server board 2 E5 6-cores and a nividia 6000 or better

but i dont think that can play games


@ krindor and whats the top then krindor that link was not accessable to me. should i get the copper raystorm then?


i think ill just get 2 680s water cool n go from there... but i heard that its better to get 2 690s instead iof 1 tesla. so maybe ill just buy 690s?

Krindor
11-02-2012, 10:32 PM
Top is Swiftech Apogee HD and Alphacool Nexxxos but they are ugly. I recommend the Raystorm Copper. I use it myself without any problems and it looks sexy :D
Otherwise have a look at the EKWB Supremacy Plexi

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 11:05 PM
i dont know much about how deep cad goes though as I am still learning it.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2012/05-Pro-ENGINEER-8-x-AA,3119.html

I'm gonna get a 4000 and sli 2 680s for the gaming because the 4000 is only 750$ and it puts in work but thats basically the program im gonna be using. so see why im looking for crazy cards? 7 fps on that thing

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 11:07 PM
swiftech is? thats suprising and yeah its way ugly i think ill get copper raystorm

are the xspc mobo blocks and gpu blocks reliable or as efficient ?

Krindor
11-02-2012, 11:21 PM
Don't know about XSPC mobo block. Though I recommend EKWB for mobo block.

tatmMRKIV
11-02-2012, 11:27 PM
k thanks


any recommendations on 680 or 690 blocks
and could i even OC 690s?
i was thinking sli 2 690s

tatmMRKIV
11-03-2012, 12:02 AM
I found out that gtx 7-series is coming out Q2 2013 and that intels chips are coming out Q3 so I think I am going to postpone my build till then.

probably be better as i can more responsibly buy parts too

Krindor
11-03-2012, 12:08 AM
Yeah do so :)

tatmMRKIV
11-03-2012, 12:50 AM
that case for cooling capability and has room for everything. i love lian li and that was one of the only cases that fit the sr-x. and I looked at a haf-x before but you really cant match the build quality of higher end cases... and I am going to be hauling this thing with me every where i go so...

Zygomorphic
11-03-2012, 01:13 AM
k thanks


any recommendations on 680 or 690 blocks
and could i even OC 690s?
i was thinking sli 2 690s

Got $2000 burning a hole in your pocket? If so, I'd gladly take a donation. :cool:

kkn
11-03-2012, 01:21 AM
i say 2 680's are bether then one 690, since a 690 is based on 2 680 gpu's.
a 690 IS sli in it self so.
look in the geforce section in: sli or not sli.
there are ppl that have some problems runing quad sli whit those 690's cards.