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gilbert
02-07-2012, 05:03 AM
does anybody knows the speed of the 8gb of Ram in the g74sx bbk8 ? all i find is 8gb ddr3 that is it ..........

PILGRIM
02-07-2012, 05:41 AM
Download and use ROG CPU-Z to know about your RAM and more.
Look for it under "Useful Apps" here: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?5224-Drivers-Apps-and-How-to-s

gilbert
02-07-2012, 05:44 AM
thx so its 1333 mhz , any brand and speed you guys recommend .........

PILGRIM
02-07-2012, 05:57 AM
You mean you want to add more RAM to your unit?
If so, it's advisable to have RAM with the same brand/model having exact specs.
Buy more RAM that's the same with what you already have.

In case you can't find the same RAM model, buy other brands/models that have
similar specifications.

I currently use 3 x 4GB ASint, and 1 x 4GB Kingston.

gilbert
02-07-2012, 06:01 AM
so you recommend the same speed also ? im trying to keep the same 8gb but higher speeds , would a 1600mhz or a 1866mhz make a big difference in speed ?

PILGRIM
02-07-2012, 06:13 AM
I'm waiting for fostert to chime in to your latest query, as he's more experienced on this issue..

Our G74 can only support 1333 mhz. Read more from his thread: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?6851-G74-and-8GB-Memory-DIMMs...&p=70674&viewfull=1#post70674

gilbert
02-07-2012, 06:26 AM
i seen a couple of reviews and they keep saying that is supports up to 16gb of ram but they dont said the speed the bbk8 is the newer model not the bbk7 maybe that makes a difference ?

PILGRIM
02-07-2012, 06:48 AM
Your G74 may support up to 16 GB RAM. But fostert's (and others) G74 also has 32 GB RAM.
The thing is, BIOS doesn't allow increase of RAM speed north of 1333 mhz.
So, even if RAM with 1600 mhz is fitted in, BIOS will just read it as 1333 mhz.

Bottom line, a 1600 mhz RAM is just expensive (compared to the 1333 mhz version),
but with no real gain for it, IMO.

EDIT: Okay, so I read from fostert's thread that a 1 x 8GB 1600 mhz can be read
by the BIOS. But 2 (or more) x 8GB 1600 mhz can't. Performance gain: very minimal.

gilbert
02-07-2012, 07:01 AM
quote fostert :Read around here my friend...I have been using 32GB in my G74 for two months now.
Also, the G74's BIOS does not support 16GB of RAM at 1600MHz or higher. Nobody here has gotten more than 8GB at these clocks to work in their G74 to my knowledge. We're all waiting (perhaps futilely) for a BIOS update from ASUS to fix this.


correct me if im wrong but i think that fostert is saying that we can use up to 8gb at 1600mhz , but we can use 32gb at 1333mhz ?

PILGRIM
02-07-2012, 07:19 AM
Yes, that's exactly what he's saying (I've edited my post #8). But he's also concluded in his other posts that performance gain for 1600 mhz vs 1333 mhz is "minuscule" at best.

His consistent advice, actually, is to save the money from it, and buy more worthwhile upgrades instead
i.e. SSD, etc..

gilbert
02-07-2012, 07:24 AM
got it hopefully that would get fix in the next bios update ,,, so besides adding a ssd for performance wise there is nothing we can do yet ,,,,,,,,,,,,

PILGRIM
02-07-2012, 07:27 AM
I agree.. Personally, I find my 16 GB 1333 mhz RAM is "too much" already for my computer usage. :)

gilbert
02-07-2012, 07:32 AM
question for you did you notice the diff going from 8gb 1333mhz to 16gb 1333mhz ? what is the benefits besides the extra space ?

PILGRIM
02-07-2012, 07:43 AM
I'm sorry, I can't answer that now.. I've been using 16 GB RAM since I first bought my G74.

If I'll have the time, maybe I can experiment and see if there are differences in them..

gilbert
02-07-2012, 07:48 AM
ok well hopefully somebody can tell us if there is a noticeable speed/performance change from 8gb ddr3 1333mhz to 16gb ddr3 1333mhz.....in the mean time i will b looking for a cheap good 256gb ssd...

fostert
02-09-2012, 01:32 AM
I agree.. Personally, I find my 16 GB 1333 mhz RAM is "too much" already for my computer usage. :)
I agree with you @Pilgrim: I'm even finding 32GB too much for stuff I'm doing lately with my G74 at work. But that project will come and go, and I'll probably be back to my normal datacubes, which are several GBs each!


question for you did you notice the diff going from 8gb 1333mhz to 16gb 1333mhz ? what is the benefits besides the extra space ?

I went from 8 -> 16GB at first before going to 32GB. There was no performance gain at all in Windows, but then I'm not a heavy windows user. The only benefits I have heard about with 16GB is you can do away with the windows pagefile (virtual memory), and reclaim some hard disk space (maybe 8-20GB depending on your windows setup) used by that file. I have been running windows happily now without a pagefile for some months, but again, nothing heavy.

If you're not filling up your 8GB with your daily routines on your notebook, then 16GB will do nothing more for performance. It'll just allow you to evolve your routine work to an even more heavy load!! ;)

And as for performance RAM (clockspeeds >=1600MHz) don't bother. Seriously. The only programs you'll blow away with the extra speedy RAM is the benchmarks, and you didn't buy the G74 too bench it all the time I bet! Yes it'll push your windows experience index up to 7.9 but thats an artificial test. Read this article:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3

and save your $$ for a SSD, which will really kick your system to a new level.

I have read from folks on this forum that have gotten 8 GB (2x4GB) of 1600 and even 1866 MHz RAM to work in their G74SX's, but never at 4x4GB=16GB (stays at 1333MHz). However, I don't know if 2x8GB=16GB of 1600 MHz RAM would be recognized properly? For example, perhaps
the
Corsair Vengeance CMSX16GX3M2A1600C10 16GB 2X8GB DDR3-1600 CL10-10-10-27 204PIN SODIMM Memory Kit might actually give one 16GB at 1600MHz? Its certainly as cheap as a pair 8GB sticks of 1333MHz. Be interesting to hear from someone who does this experiment.

gilbert
02-09-2012, 09:41 PM
thx fostert ,i am looking at this ssd from best buy ,i like the price and speeds what do you guys think is there a better cheaper one ? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Corsair+-+Performance+256+GB+Internal+Solid+State+Drive/4715288.p?id=1218515271700&skuId=4715288

BrodyBoy
02-10-2012, 01:16 AM
thx fostert ,i am looking at this ssd from best buy ,i like the price and speeds what do you guys think is there a better cheaper one ? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Corsair+-+Performance+256+GB+Internal+Solid+State+Drive/4715288.p?id=1218515271700&skuId=4715288
There are definitely cheaper ones!

Think about how you intend to use the SSD....you probably don't need one that big. If, like most people, you're thinking you'll use the SSD for the OS + programs, and the HDD for your data, chances are a 100-160Gbb SSD will be more than adequate. When you set things up to save data on the secondary drive, you'll probably never even hit 100Gb with the system drive. (I use a 120Gb SSD on one laptop, and a 128Gb on another....they're nowhere near full.)

There are plenty of good SATA 3 SSDs around $200, or even less. I've had very good experiences with both Intel and Crucial, but there are several good brands used by other G-series owners. (Since it's the system drive, I'd avoid no-names or off-brands.)

fostert
02-10-2012, 03:27 AM
There are definitely cheaper ones!

Think about how you intend to use the SSD....you probably don't need one that big. If, like most people, you're thinking you'll use the SSD for the OS + programs, and the HDD for your data, chances are a 100-160Gbb SSD will be more than adequate. When you set things up to save data on the secondary drive, you'll probably never even hit 100Gb with the system drive. (I use a 120Gb SSD on one laptop, and a 128Gb on another....they're nowhere near full.)

There are plenty of good SATA 3 SSDs around $200, or even less. I've had very good experiences with both Intel and Crucial, but there are several good brands used by other G-series owners. (Since it's the system drive, I'd avoid no-names or off-brands.)

Avoid Patriot...had several USB sticks of theirs that have bummed out after only a few months of use...they're not even formattable now. Dunno what ICs they buy to build their flash drives, but they sure don't last long.

gilbert
02-10-2012, 05:47 AM
what about the speeds of the ssd ? the 250gb one from bestbuy has a Maximum Read Transfer Rate: 515 MBps
Maximum Write Transfer Rate: 440 MBps.....


and most of the 160gb ones including intel have speeds of Maximum Read Transfer Rate: 270 MBps
Maximum Write Transfer Rate: 165 MBps...and they cost about the same of the 250gb one , is the more MBps the faster the ssd going to be or that has nothing to do with the speed of the ssd ?


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Intel+-+SSDSA1NW160G301+160+GB+Internal+Solid+State+Drive +-+1+x+OEM+Pack/4163823.p?id=1218456786163&skuId=4163823

BrodyBoy
02-10-2012, 06:46 AM
what about the speeds of the ssd ? the 250gb one from bestbuy has a Maximum Read Transfer Rate: 515 MBps
Maximum Write Transfer Rate: 440 MBps.....


and most of the 160gb ones including intel have speeds of Maximum Read Transfer Rate: 270 MBps
Maximum Write Transfer Rate: 165 MBps...and they cost about the same of the 250gb one , is the more MBps the faster the ssd going to be or that has nothing to do with the speed of the ssd ?


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Intel+-+SSDSA1NW160G301+160+GB+Internal+Solid+State+Drive +-+1+x+OEM+Pack/4163823.p?id=1218456786163&skuId=4163823
Those specs are like the mpg ratings on new cars....they're not that closely related to performance in real life. I think a reputation for reliability and support matter a lot more than SSD transfer rate benchmarks, which often don't reflect the kinds of reads & writes that actually occur in normal use anyway.

In my experience, the jump from an HDD to an SSD is the very noticeable performance boost. The machine starts, resumes, and shuts down faster, and programs are zippier. But beyond that, the variations between brands and models, with their higher this or lower that, makes no difference.

Ever upgraded from, say, 1333 to 1600MHz RAM? The excitement of that 20% speed hike quickly dissipates into the reality that you can't actually tell a whit of difference (even if you're not willing to admit it in an online forum! :)). Benchmarks can tell a difference, people can't.

It's the same with SSDs. I don't think most users would be able to tell any difference between the "slower" and "faster" ones, or even between SATA II and SATA III models. They're all noticeably faster than an HDD....but subtle degrees of "very fast" just don't manifest in differences we can see in normal use.

PILGRIM
02-10-2012, 07:15 AM
Those specs are like the mpg ratings on new cars....they're not that closely related to performance in real life. I think a reputation for reliability and support matter a lot more than SSD transfer rate benchmarks, which often don't reflect the kinds of reads & writes that actually occur in normal use anyway.

In my experience, the jump from an HDD to an SSD is the very noticeable performance boost. The machine starts, resumes, and shuts down faster, and programs are zippier. But beyond that, the variations between brands and models, with their higher this or lower that, makes no difference.

Ever upgraded from, say, 1333 to 1600MHz RAM? The excitement of that 20% speed hike quickly dissipates into the reality that you can't actually tell a whit of difference (even if you're not willing to admit it in an online forum! :)). Benchmarks can tell a difference, people can't.

It's the same with SSDs. I don't think most users would be able to tell any difference between the "slower" and "faster" ones, or even between SATA II and SATA III models. They're all noticeably faster than an HDD....but subtle degrees of "very fast" just don't manifest in differences we can see in normal use.

Great explanations. They are exactly the reasons why I never bother to do overclocking or benchmarking.
If my eyes see the hardware works fast, then it must be fast..

What I also keep in mind when buying hardware is the product's reliability and support.


@gilbert: If money is not an issue, by all means buy as much GB as you can for the SSD.
But if you're just looking for performance/speed boost, you might just opt for the 120-160 GB SSD..

gilbert
02-10-2012, 03:13 PM
thx guys ,thank you for taking the time to help me understand .