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Eroune
03-28-2012, 03:50 AM
hello all ,
I would buy a new PC and i hesitate between the actual G74 or waitinG for the future G75 that will be normally realased in april ? I have a 1300 dollars budget .I'm waitin for your advices .
excuse me but i am a french with a bad keyboard and enlish :p . Thank you !

Eroune
03-28-2012, 03:52 AM
hello all ,
I would buy a new PC and i hesitate between the actual G74 or waitinG for the future G75 that will be normally realased in april ? I have a 1300 dollars budget but i can up to 1400.I'm waitin for your advices .
excuse me but i am a french with a bad keyboard and enlish :p . Thank you !

BrodyBoy
03-28-2012, 04:05 AM
At $1300, I think you will be able to get a lot more computer in a G74 than with a G75. So unless the G75 has some must-have feature you want, I'd go for a more fully-loaded G74.

Eroune
03-28-2012, 05:00 AM
thanks for your reply , but i can up to 1800 dollars finaly by seliin my ps3 and my precedent computer .Wat do you think about this now ?

Nirneath
03-28-2012, 07:03 AM
It's up to you, do you know what features the g75 has compared to the g74?

Symho
03-28-2012, 07:50 AM
It's up to you, do you know what features the g75 has compared to the g74?

I think you must wait, G75 will have a Kepler GPU, a Ivy Bridge CPU, and a better size and design:

http://notebookitalia.it/asus-g55-g75-rog-ivy-bridge-aprile-13856

Also you have two fan doors for maintenance.

Wait G75, IMHO ;)

kouotsu
03-28-2012, 07:54 AM
Personally I'd recommend going for the G74 as you can get a new one for around $1300 currently which is a very good deal. I doubt you will feel a considerable boost of power from the G75 compared to the G74. I mean yes, G75 will be more powerful, but G74 can run anything well currently and I doubt it will feel dated any time soon. And frankly, I would be wary of getting the G75 as soon as it comes out, considering the issues we had and are still having with the G74. Along with all the new tech the new laptop will have, will come a lot of bugs. Trying to install a SATA III SSD into my G74 last year was a royal pain!

Eroune
03-28-2012, 08:31 AM
Ok so i'll wait for the G75 , i think .But do you know exactly when the pc will be released in april? also tank you for your replies :)

Cat
03-28-2012, 08:54 AM
G75 has num-lock. That alone is worth waiting for.

Harris
03-28-2012, 09:13 AM
I think you must wait, G75 will have a Kepler GPU, a Ivy Bridge CPU, and a better size and design:

http://notebookitalia.it/asus-g55-g75-rog-ivy-bridge-aprile-13856

Also you have two fan doors for maintenance.

Wait G75, IMHO ;)

Wrong, GTX670m on G75 is still the same 40nm fermi architechture as GTX560m on G74sx, with the same old 192bit memory. Hence the "New" GTX 670m is more than likely to be slightly faster than GTX 570m http://support.asus.com/ServiceCenter.aspx?SLanguage=en

With that being said, other than a more power efficient Ivy Bridge CPU compare to current SandyBridge i7, you will pretty much get a rebadged "New" GPU from Nvidia.

Performance wise, G75 will definately win over G74 by a noticable margin. But what about value? You will be buying a new product at launch price that will asks for couple hundreds dollars more.

Don't follow the crowd and hype, evaluate what you really need before consider a purchase.

ps: For myself I will not be buying Nvidia's smart product naming strategy this time arround, and I will be waiting for a REAL next gen GPU on board.

Symho
03-28-2012, 01:17 PM
Ok so i'll wait for the G75 , i think .But do you know exactly when the pc will be released in april? also tank you for your replies :)

I think to the end of April, when will be on sale the Ivy bridge CPUs.

Symho
03-28-2012, 01:40 PM
Wrong, GTX670m on G75 is still the same 40nm fermi architechture as GTX560m on G74sx, with the same old 192bit memory. Hence the "New" GTX 670m is more than likely to be slightly faster than GTX 570m http://support.asus.com/ServiceCenter.aspx?SLanguage=en

With that being said, other than a more power efficient Ivy Bridge CPU compare to current SandyBridge i7, you will pretty much get a rebadged "New" GPU from Nvidia.

Performance wise, G75 will definately win over G74 by a noticable margin. But what about value? You will be buying a new product at launch price that will asks for couple hundreds dollars more.

Don't follow the crowd and hype, evaluate what you really need before consider a purchase.

ps: For myself I will not be buying Nvidia's smart product naming strategy this time arround, and I will be waiting for a REAL next gen GPU on board.

1. The GPU is not confirmed; the 670m GPU in the link is a rapresentative GPU for a simple demostration, not the GPU for the definitly product; this because kepler is not released when the note was presented. Also the 670m has all software feature of Kepler, TXAA, Auto sync, GPU boost, ecc... not performed on 570m;
2. Ivy bridge is better than Sandy bridge;
3. A noticable margin? I don't think so...

Which hype? Today there are few news on G75!

The GTX 660m is a "very" kepler, the 680m too! G75 will have a 660m:

G73 + 460m

G74 + 560m

G75 + 660m

Have you understand?

P.s. 16 GB Ram clocked to 1600 MHz?
1.5 TB to HDD?
Dual fan with manteinance door for each one?
"Slightly higher"??? :D

OldNESJunkie
03-28-2012, 08:56 PM
Ivy bridge is better than Sandy bridge;


It might be better on white paper & tech specs, but knowing how Intel is, the damn thing will be buggy for a good year or so before becoming stable enough for "hardcore" usage.

Symho
03-28-2012, 10:24 PM
It might be better on white paper & tech specs, but knowing how Intel is, the damn thing will be buggy for a good year or so before becoming stable enough for "hardcore" usage.

If this is it your opinion you will buy your PC in the next year...:D

Harris
03-28-2012, 10:39 PM
1. The GPU is not confirmed; the 670m GPU in the link is a rapresentative GPU for a simple demostration, not the GPU for the definitly product; this because kepler is not released when the note was presented. Also the 670m has all software feature of Kepler, TXAA, Auto sync, GPU boost, ecc... not performed on 570m;
2. Ivy bridge is better than Sandy bridge;
3. A noticable margin? I don't think so...

Which hype? Today there are few news on G75!

The GTX 660m is a "very" kepler, the 680m too! G75 will have a 660m:

G73 + 460m

G74 + 560m

G75 + 660m

Have you understand?

P.s. 16 GB Ram clocked to 1600 MHz?
1.5 TB to HDD?
Dual fan with manteinance door for each one?
"Slightly higher"??? :D


1. You would rather want a higher mid range real Kepler GTX660m than a lower High end GTX670m?
Multiple sources (include Nvidia official specification) suggest that GTX660m is performing on par with current GTX570m on DX11 titles, other than require less power.

2. You first said the GPU is not confirmed to be GTX670m, then argue the G75 will comes with a weaker GTX660m?

3. Did I say Ivy bridge will be slower than Sandy Bridge?

4. Where in my original post I said the performance will be "Slightly Higher"?

fostert
03-29-2012, 03:44 AM
I've read the 660M/670M is essentially a rebranded 560M with maybe +4% more performance. Ridiculous. Also, you may get 10-15% extra performance clock for clock from an Ivy bridge over a 2nd Gen Sandy. Meh, for probably more than $300 extra.
The only things the G75 has going for it IMHO is the numlock thing, and a far better design underneath allowing you to do routine things like blow/clean out fans occasionally far easier.
So get the G74, put numlocker on there to fix the numlock issue (free), spend the xtra $$ you save on an ssd, overclock your 560M with MSI afterburner (free), and you'll have a machine that destroys your friend's new stock G75 in all scenarios but CPU benchmarx.

Symho
03-29-2012, 09:15 AM
I've read the 660M/670M is essentially a rebranded 560M with maybe +4% more performance. Ridiculous. Also, you may get 10-15% extra performance clock for clock from an Ivy bridge over a 2nd Gen Sandy. Meh, for probably more than $300 extra.
The only things the G75 has going for it IMHO is the numlock thing, and a far better design underneath allowing you to do routine things like blow/clean out fans occasionally far easier.
So get the G74, put numlocker on there to fix the numlock issue (free), spend the xtra $$ you save on an ssd, overclock your 560M with MSI afterburner (free), and you'll have a machine that destroys your friend's new stock G75 in all scenarios but CPU benchmarx.

The rebrand in only on 670m and 675m GPU.

The perfomance of one CPU or a GPU it is not only her clock speed. Read better on Nvidia and Intel web page.

And you think that with MSI aftrburner you have a bset machine? If you don't burn your PC, and if you read the specification you will see that G75 has a RAM to 1'600 MHz, that with news CPU and GPU destroy each G74 with all OC softwares.

fostert
03-30-2012, 02:10 AM
1) If the 670M is essentially a rebranded 570M (which actually runs hotter by 5W: http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/638159-asus-rog-g55-g75-april-gtx-670m-18.html), and I can reach a 570M performance (and temperature of a 670M) by OC'ing my 560M, then where is the real "bang for my buck" (i.e. performance to spent-dollar ratio) in going to the G75 gaming-wise? Its gonna be pretty small.
2) What is a bset machine? If you mean "best" then thats subjective. The "best" for me is a notebook with a good performance-to-dollar ratio, and not a $2500 fully decked-out sagar. I plot the performance versus $$ and buy at the knee (turnover).
3) How do I "burn my PC"? Overclocking my 560M hasn't changed its temps by more than a few degrees since it doesn't touch the GPU voltage (max of 80 now, pretty much the same as b4).
4) Almost everyone and his dog has 1600 MHz Ram now; people have been running it in the G74 for a while. The facts is that it amounts to a minor performance increase over 1333MHz in RAM-specific benchmarks, and an imperceptible performance gain in real-world apps. Read
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3
5) So that leaves only the CPU (Ivy Bridge) as the area where the G75 can potentially really beat the G74. Hyped estimates are a 10-15% performance increase clock-for-clock over Sandy Bridge. What is wiser: spending $300-$500 more to get only this, or putting that $$ into a SSD (or two) for the G74? I know where my money goes.

Finally, the sheer amount of "bugs", "issues", flaws and faults in a new machine, and the tricks & workarounds that have to learned by the community (i.e. the "shakedown" period) and eventually shared and solved on a forum like this is huge. Having gone through all that with the G74 (all of the issues for which are now quite well documented and behind us thanks to people here) I wouldn't want to go through it again, just for 10-15% more cpu speed and a whole lot more $. Buy a G74 and you get all the experience on this forum for free. Stability and predictable behaviour=priceless.

BrodyBoy
03-30-2012, 05:36 AM
Another area that's different, though it probably doesn't matter to most people, is that the G75 offers BIOS-level RAID support. (It also appears that they've abandoned the Sentelic TP and gone Synaptics-only for the G75....that seems minor, but considering the widespread frustration the Sentelic has caused, it's a significant point, IMO!)

fostert
03-30-2012, 11:01 PM
Another area that's different, though it probably doesn't matter to most people, is that the G75 offers BIOS-level RAID support. (It also appears that they've abandoned the Sentelic TP and gone Synaptics-only for the G75....that seems minor, but considering the widespread frustration the Sentelic has caused, it's a significant point, IMO!)
Hardware controlled RAID is fantastic. And I'm glad ASUS listened to the G74 users and went with the less-troublesome synaptics TP. Not "persistant perfection", but a slow evolution towards it!

AQUASTEVAE
03-31-2012, 05:50 AM
i love my g74, and have no complaints. but the draw of the g75 to me is the thinner slicker design, with four usb 3.0 slots. add to that the synaptics tp, and i want one. but i would never buy one until hearing about all the feedback from those who have already bought it. so late this summer at the earliest. but i would hate to give up my g74 as it is running flawlessly.

Zygomorphic
03-31-2012, 10:13 AM
I would say definitely wait. If it turns out that you don't like the looks or the specs of the G75, buy a G74. The G74's will be around for a while, often with awesome discounts. If you shop carefully, you should be able to pick up a G74 and upgrade it to be almost as good as a G75. Since the GTX 670M is a rebadged GTX 570M, the performance gains are minimal. The power reduction of the Ivy Bridge processor might be worth it though.

Symho
04-01-2012, 11:12 AM
Do you want this?

7333

GPU: 660M GTX "KEPLER" - READ (http://www.nvidia.it/object/geforce-gtx-660m-it.html)

graywolf323
04-01-2012, 06:16 PM
I am seriously tempted to sell my G74 and buy a G75...

AQUASTEVAE
04-01-2012, 07:19 PM
Do you want this?

7333

GPU: 660M GTX "KEPLER" - READ (http://www.nvidia.it/object/geforce-gtx-660m-it.html)

where is this contest? how can i enter?

Nirneath
04-01-2012, 07:41 PM
where is this contest? how can i enter?

ROG Nordic
http://www.facebook.com/rognordic?sk=app_230505167041590

Zygomorphic
04-02-2012, 01:26 AM
VROOM! VROOM! Woo hoo! Talk about fast. Hey, ASUS, any chance this machine will have 5+ hours of battery life?