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pdixon0
03-29-2021, 02:37 PM
Hi guys

I'm hoping for a little guidance here!

I've recently upgraded my motherboard from a Z490 PRIME-A to a ROG STRIX Z590-E Gaming WiFi. The old motherboard has gone to a build for my son.

OK, on the PRIME-A I used to run my 10700K at the following and it was stable with decent temps in AIDA64 (~92C) after 10 mins or so.

MCE - Enabled
Core Usage - 52, 52, 52, 52, 51, 51, 51, 51
AVX Offset - 1
SVID - Best Case Scenario
LLC - 4
Adaptive Voltage - 1.4V
VCCIO - 1.2V
VCCSA - 1.2V
DRAM - 1.4V
DRAM Speed - 4000MHz
Vcore in HWiNFO64 would max out at around 1.459V which I believe being socket sense would really be around 1.36-1.37V which I was quite happy with, again the temps were managable.

There were probably some other tweaks like TVB Voltage Optimizations being enabled too...

Now with the new board, to get it to even boot into Windows I need to run Adaptive Voltage at 1.58V which is obviously not a happy place to be! Mind you, HWiNFO64 maxes out at around 1.476 or something like that, which 'should' still be just less than 1.4V if you take into account that it is a Socket Sense reading?

I know the voltage isn't really high as the temps stay around the same ~92C in AIDA64 but I'm not happy that I'm having to use such a high value in BIOS, just in case!

What are everyone else's findings on the Z590 boards? I know they're still immature BIOS-wise - I'm currently on 0605

My full build for info:

ROG STRIX Z590-E Gaming WiFi
10700K (SP in BIOS 51)
Noctua D15 Chromax.Black (Cooler Score in BIOS ~182)
32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3733MHz
Corsair RM750i
WD SN850 500GB boot SSD (in slot 3)
AData Sx8200Pro 2TB (the one with the good controller etc in slot 4)
EVGA 1070 Ti FTW2 (+550MHz RAM / +200MHz core)
Antec P120 Crystal
6 x Noctua Chromax.Black S12A Case fans

Thanks in advance

Paul Dixon

pdixon0
04-03-2021, 02:47 PM
I've now picked up a 11700K and even with Optimized Default settings I'm seeing way over 1.5V in HWinfo64 VCore???

I've just changed Adaptive Voltage to 1.4V, only other changes are XMP1 - DDR4 3733MHz to match my RAM kit, everything else on Auto - seeing 1.545V VCore in HWInfo64???? Not sure what Auto LLC is but this can't be right?

I'm in process of RMA'ing my 10700K but I have a feeling it's not the CPU it's the board???

I've tried new BIOS 0703 and now 0704 with the same results.

SP for the 10700K is 51 and the SP for the 11700K is 55 so yeah, I've lost out on the SL both times however the 10700K would run at the settings in my previous post nice and stable in games etc on my PRIME Z490-A board, this STRIX Z590-E should be a better board???

(*HwINFO64 version 7.00-4400 in use - the beta version 7.01-4425 shows VCores over 2.75V which is obviously wrong)

Shamino
04-03-2021, 03:30 PM
setting adaptive to 1.4v does nothing if it is a value lower than the native vid
you can read up:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?106375-MCE-explanations-and-others
as for native vid viewing, see it in v/f pt offset menu

pdixon0
04-03-2021, 06:00 PM
Thanks @Shamino, I'd actually read that when I first got back into overclocking last year.

What I don't understand is the massive voltage requirement difference between my PRIME-A Z490 and this STRIX Z590-E? 0.18V in BIOS for the same chip can't be right?

Is it the case that HWiNFO64 simply can't read the right VCore on the Z590 board yet? I'm assuming both boards are Socket Sense and that the VCore displayed in HWiNFO64 is around 0.08-0.09V higher than what the CPU is actually seeing?

And surely, if either chip was really pulling 1.5+V, I'd not be able to keep it at a decent temperature with an NF-D15????

Having said that, having to set 1.58V in BIOS for the same chip that only need 1.4V on the other board makes me think it's the board itself that is out???

pdixon0
04-05-2021, 08:17 AM
Can I please ask everyone running a Z590 board what their BIOS VCore settings are? Please mention your processor, stock or OC, and board?

GObonzo
04-06-2021, 04:43 PM
using the Z590-E Gaming WiFi & 11700K;

BIOS(0704) with default settings, shows Vcore @ 1.465v.

still with defaults, HWinfo under CPU drop-down shows voltage min @ .63v \ avg @ 1.36v \ max @ 1.47v.
under Motherboard drop-down shows max Vcore @ 2.57v.

setting Cores to 5.2GHz, i can't boot OS with anything under 1.455v.
and then it wasn't stable when stressing.
1.5v is the lowest i can go so far stable @ 5.2GHz.

seems crazy. my 8700K on the Z370 version of this board @ 5.2GHz runs perfectly @ 1.285v.
but all the early articles i saw about the 11th gen stated they were power hungry.

pdixon0
04-07-2021, 07:15 AM
Hey GObonzo

Sounds like you're having a similar experience to me? Have you got Adaptive Boost enabled by any chance? I think this is what causes the additional voltages?

I've been able to get a 52, 52, 50, 50, 49, 49, 49, 49 overclock set at 1.45V Adaptive in BIOS with ABT and TVB disabled at LLC5, pulls VCore of just over 1.4V in HWiNFO64 on load now which I'm happy with (I believe this is around 1.32V in reality with it being a Socket Sense reading?). I've also set AVX2 -2 and AVX512 -4.

My 11700K is only an SP55 and my V/F curve isn't great unfortunately, needs 1.433V for 5.0GHz according to the tables. Might see if I can get it to 52, 52, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50 at 1.45V

GObonzo
04-12-2021, 01:45 PM
i decided to see how well ASUS may have adapted their AI Overclocking for the new generation and it works okay.
after a couple stress tests and restarts, ended up with 5.1GHz on all cores with zero AVX offset @ 1.469v.
though it raised my temps ~10 at 100% usage and it disables all c-states which also sucks.
while it is getting better implemented, I still wouldn't use it as a "set & forget it" method of overclocking.

chrkon
04-13-2021, 07:33 AM
I have the same CPU-M/B and my OC settings are these:
Ai OC Tuner: XMP II
ASUS MCE : Disabled
CPU Core Ratio: Sync All Cores
AVX: Auto
All Core Ratio Limit: 50
CPU SVID Support: Disabled
Ring Down Bin: Enabled
Min CPU Cache:43
Max CPU Cache:43
CPU Core/Cache Voltage: Manual
CPU Core Voltage Overide: 1.32
CPU LLC: 4
CPU Thermal Control : 125
CPU Core/Cache Limit Max: 255,75
Long Duration Package Power Limit - 4095
Short Duration Package Power Limit - 4095
IA AC Load Line : 0.01
IA DC Load Line: 0.01
Memory: 3200

All the rest are set to AUTO...

Have run CineBench r20&r23 , Prime95 for about an hour (small fft - no avx) , with latest BIOS , and it seems stable with Dark Rock Pro 4 max temps ~75C.

pdixon0
04-13-2021, 10:57 AM
1.32V VCore?! I couldn't even get my 10700K to POST with less than 1.5V adaptive in BIOS! I've since moved on to a 11700K and that is fine at 1.45V adaptive (LLC5). Don't know if it has been a newer BIOS (0704) or if there were some strange settings in BIOS that the 10700K didn't like. It ran like a champ on the Z490 board I have...

chrkon
04-13-2021, 12:34 PM
Actually i don't know , everything that i have tested - mostly games (BF1 - BF5 - Cyberpunk - Destiny 2 ) and bench (Prime95 , Cinebench, AIDA64) seems to working with no crashes...
The only thing is when i enable AVX on prime95 i am getting BSOD...
I have the M/B and CPU about a month or so...was planing to buy an 11700K but i think i keep my 10700k for now.
Is there any wrong with my OC Bios Settings?

pdixon0
04-14-2021, 07:17 AM
Actually i don't know , everything that i have tested - mostly games (BF1 - BF5 - Cyberpunk - Destiny 2 ) and bench (Prime95 , Cinebench, AIDA64) seems to working with no crashes...
The only thing is when i enable AVX on prime95 i am getting BSOD...
I have the M/B and CPU about a month or so...was planing to buy an 11700K but i think i keep my 10700k for now.
Is there any wrong with my OC Bios Settings?

I'm no expert on overclocking but my original setup was similar in that it ran the games I play without issue but it would crash on stress tests. You could set an AVX offset if you're unstable on AVX loads or up your VCore to make it stable at the frequency you have. Just be mindful of voltages and heat.

GObonzo
04-18-2021, 05:42 PM
have totally redone my overclock
so far have it totally stable @ 5GHz all cores
1.320 Adaptive voltage +.005v and LLC 4

have been stressing with Cinebench & Prime 95 with no errors or crashes.
gaming with Cyberpunk 2077 reaching ~62C, stressing ~75.


the only issue i've been having is that i can not get the c-states to properly function anymore...
for some reason creating a new Power Plan in Windows was the only thing that would fix the c-state issue of being stuck at the highest state.
existing plans would not function correctly no matter what Processor power management settings were in place. like all had defaulted to High Performance but could not be altered.

onnair
04-20-2021, 07:37 PM
Can here any friend help me to overclocking intel 11700k step by step. to 5.0 GHz or 5.2GHz.

My system configuration:
-Intel Core 11700K
-ASUS ROG MAXIMUS XIII HERO Z590
-CORSAIR iCUE H115i RGB PRO XT 280mm
-G.SKILL-F4-3200C16D
-ASUS ROG-THOR-850watt

mariopepper
04-23-2021, 11:34 AM
I am thinking about purchasing Z590 because there are 16 USB 3.0 ports scattered around the motherboard and supported by three USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-A ports as well as two M.2 slots. Just finished reading about this one https://techreviewteam.com/hardware/best-motherboard-for-i7-11700k/. It seems a good option as for me (I hope I'm not making a mistake). But here what Asus says about this product: "Updated power designs underpin the entire lineup, which is further enhanced with the latest connectivity options" - so I guess it's exactly what is needed.

GObonzo
04-23-2021, 09:51 PM
I am thinking about purchasing Z590 because there are 16 USB 3.0 ports scattered around the motherboard and supported by three USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-A ports as well as two M.2 slots. It seems a good option as for me (I hope I'm not making a mistake)

4x M.2 slots

10x rear I\O USB ports, 2 of which are 2.0
4x onboard USB headers, 2 of which are 2.0

88468

chrkon
05-02-2021, 09:03 AM
I'm no expert on overclocking but my original setup was similar in that it ran the games I play without issue but it would crash on stress tests. You could set an AVX offset if you're unstable on AVX loads or up your VCore to make it stable at the frequency you have. Just be mindful of voltages and heat.

Auto AVX worked for me , tried with all AVX demanding tests on AIDA64 several times and it just downclocked my cpu about 300-600 MhZ depending the test...
AVX is a power hungry feature that makes me wondering who is gonna use it on normal everyday activity even with gaming on an "consumer CPU" .
IMO intel had to provide this as a separate module/card such as floating (math co processors) was back in the past or with a different SKU.

OneTrain1738
05-04-2021, 04:03 PM
I thought that im having a strange "over-voltage" thing on this board.
Hwinfo was showing around 1.200-1.250 V on Core VID and a little bit bigger on Vcore with everything on auto. The thermals were kinda high,which i blamed it on the AIO. But when i opened CPU-Z it was showing 1.507~.
Also,only after changing the voltage to 1.275(which it supposed to run with no problems at 4800 fixed,just for testing)i noticed that in the prediction corner it was predicting around 1.455 for 4800 (non AVX),and for AVX it was around 1.6+. And yeah,1.275 didn't work and it was unable to boot. Everything below 1.375 (yeah,kinda too much) was ending in BSOD only by logging into windows.
Today i tried to play with it a little,and for whatever reason able to work on 1.285. And prediction corner has changed. 88576
Now it shows like this. Strange. Feels like motherboard is really evolving with time. So the best thing i can say is : give it time,really. Nothing else to say.