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chrismog2_2
04-28-2021, 07:35 PM
Hello -

I'm noticing a performance drop since upgrading my Strix Z590-A BIOS from 0704 (beta) to 0707 with my i9-11900K. All settings the same (XMP enabled, ABT on, MCE on) as far as I can tell. On 0704, the chip would boost to all-core 5 GHz and temps would be in the low to mid 80C during a Cinebench R23 test. On 0707, it's floating between 4.7-4.8 GHz all core, and temps topping out at 70-71C, almost like that's the new thermal limit. Has the boosting behavior and/or the MCE parameters changed between these BIOS versions? Outside of a manual OC, anything I can look at to return it to previous behavior? Thanks.

timetoy
04-28-2021, 07:55 PM
That looks like the default behavior of the Thermal Velocity Boost (ie, lowering the ratio at 70c)
Set "Overclocking TVB" to enable to increase the temperature threshold

chrismog2_2
04-28-2021, 08:15 PM
That looks like the default behavior of the Thermal Velocity Boost (ie, lowering the ratio at 70c)
Set "Overclocking TVB" to enable to increase the temperature threshold

Changed it from Auto to Enabled, didn't help. I also tried the "+2Boost" profile and couldn't boot into Windows for some reason. BSODs of MEMORY_MANAGEMENT followed by MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION on successive attempts. Reverted "Overclocking TVB" to Auto; Windows memory diagnostic and MemTest86 turned up nothing with a basic pass (also, have run several MemTest86 runs w/ the previous BIOS and never received an error while on XMP profile).

MrAgapiGC
04-29-2021, 01:13 AM
Hello -

I'm noticing a performance drop since upgrading my Strix Z590-A BIOS from 0704 (beta) to 0707 with my i9-11900K. All settings the same (XMP enabled, ABT on, MCE on) as far as I can tell. On 0704, the chip would boost to all-core 5 GHz and temps would be in the low to mid 80C during a Cinebench R23 test. On 0707, it's floating between 4.7-4.8 GHz all core, and temps topping out at 70-71C, almost like that's the new thermal limit. Has the boosting behavior and/or the MCE parameters changed between these BIOS versions? Outside of a manual OC, anything I can look at to return it to previous behavior? Thanks.

I did check that also. on the E. if you board has AI mic cancelacion. end process in services. Try. Work for me. Sadly changing priority and affinity does not anything. once you drop that numbers will go up ON idle. Let me run a few runs tomorrow in R23 and see make any changes. since on load drops to 48/49 on my 10850k

chrismog2_2
04-29-2021, 12:23 PM
I did check that also. on the E. if you board has AI mic cancelacion. end process in services. Try. Work for me. Sadly changing priority and affinity does not anything. once you drop that numbers will go up ON idle. Let me run a few runs tomorrow in R23 and see make any changes. since on load drops to 48/49 on my 10850k

I'm not sure I fully understand this, but I don't have any noise cancellation software... and not sure how that would impact other processes? You're also running 10th gen and I am 11th gen. My idle frequencies and lightly threaded boosts are still 5.1GHz and 5.3GHz respectively as normal.

Zardoc
04-29-2021, 02:30 PM
Hello -

I'm noticing a performance drop since upgrading my Strix Z590-A BIOS from 0704 (beta) to 0707 with my i9-11900K. All settings the same (XMP enabled, ABT on, MCE on) as far as I can tell. On 0704, the chip would boost to all-core 5 GHz and temps would be in the low to mid 80C during a Cinebench R23 test. On 0707, it's floating between 4.7-4.8 GHz all core, and temps topping out at 70-71C, almost like that's the new thermal limit. Has the boosting behavior and/or the MCE parameters changed between these BIOS versions? Outside of a manual OC, anything I can look at to return it to previous behavior? Thanks.

Your findings could be valid. I don't have the 11th gen CPU. If you think it's really the case. Open a support ticket and detail your findings.

chrismog2_2
04-29-2021, 02:36 PM
Your findings could be valid. I don't have the 11th gen CPU. If you think it's really the case. Open a support ticket and detail your findings.

Yeah, I think I'll do that. I suspect now that it might not be enabling ABT properly on 0707. I tried the same Cinebench test with ABT off and there was no change. Rolled back to 0704 BIOS and with ABT on, I get the extra 200 MHz all-core. Thanks.

Shamino
04-29-2021, 05:51 PM
Yeah, I think I'll do that. I suspect now that it might not be enabling ABT properly on 0707. I tried the same Cinebench test with ABT off and there was no change. Rolled back to 0704 BIOS and with ABT on, I get the extra 200 MHz all-core. Thanks.

disable vmax stress under thermal velocity boost
disable tvb since the octvb is not customizable YET and would just clip at 70C.
this gen mce enabled doesnt totally run unrestrained to reach a compromise between perf and temps.

chrismog2_2
04-29-2021, 07:36 PM
disable vmax stress under thermal velocity boost
disable tvb since the octvb is not customizable YET and would just clip at 70C.
this gen mce enabled doesnt totally run unrestrained to reach a compromise between perf and temps.

I tried updating to 0707 again and disabling both VMax Stress and OC TVB, but I'm still capping at 4.8 GHz all core. Single cores are still boosting up to 5.3 though for applicable lightly-threaded tests.

edit: I also tried switching ABT off (in case that was restricting me to 70C based on the Intel standards and overriding any settings applied by MCE) but I'm still seeing the 4.8 GHz cap regardless of whether MCE is "Auto - Lets BIOS Optimize" or "Enabled - Remove All Limits".

edit 2: I tried one other combo, ABT On / MCE Off "Disabled - Enforce All Limits". I get 38 seconds of all-core 4.8 GHz and then it downclocks to 4.1 GHz. Could have sworn that should be 56 seconds with default limits, and ABT alone should allow clocks to go higher during the boost period while below 100C. Am I missing something?

chrismog2_2
05-03-2021, 01:38 PM
Bumping this. My support ticket response was that they'd refer it to L2 support but it was closed thereafter. Not exactly sure where to go from here, other than rolling back to beta again or waiting for a fix.

Shamino
05-03-2021, 02:14 PM
hi there
if u dont mind me being blunt, ABT is only meaningful if it is opportunistic based on all these conditions.
really i think what you want is all cores at 51x and 2 cores load at 53x. unconditionally even.
i can understand that and very easily without too much fuss you can set it up the way you want:

88565

chrismog2_2
05-03-2021, 02:47 PM
hi there
if u dont mind me being blunt, ABT is only meaningful if it is opportunistic based on all these conditions.
really i think what you want is all cores at 51x and 2 cores load at 53x. unconditionally even.
i can understand that and very easily without too much fuss you can set it up the way you want:

88565

Then if you don't mind a blunt reply, I'd like ABT to be working as it was designed without having to fiddle with other settings, considering Intel's statement that usage of it does not void their warranty. Especially since it appeared to work in the previous beta version of this BIOS. (yes I know they can't really tell if you're overclocking unless you go wild with it)

I mean, if you're going to say that ABT is enabled in BIOS right on the support page... it damn well should be enabled and do something. And by definition, it should allow boosting up to 5.1 GHz all cores as long as temperatures stay under 100C, if the description is correct?

Shamino
05-03-2021, 06:36 PM
Then if you don't mind a blunt reply, I'd like ABT to be working as it was designed without having to fiddle with other settings, considering Intel's statement that usage of it does not void their warranty. Especially since it appeared to work in the previous beta version of this BIOS. (yes I know they can't really tell if you're overclocking unless you go wild with it)

I mean, if you're going to say that ABT is enabled in BIOS right on the support page... it damn well should be enabled and do something. And by definition, it should allow boosting up to 5.1 GHz all cores as long as temperatures stay under 100C, if the description is correct?

if you disable vmax stress and tvb clipping then yes, but it becomes more of a run until 100c type of static frequency which i dont think was the intention of ABT and more the type of setting i was pointing towards.
but yes, if mce is enabled, and the afore mentioned disabled, and temperature regulator option to keep temps below 90c is disabled , then i would think it will full throttle till 100c.

chrismog2_2
05-03-2021, 07:08 PM
if you disable vmax stress and tvb clipping then yes, but it becomes more of a run until 100c type of static frequency which i dont think was the intention of ABT and more the type of setting i was pointing towards.
but yes, if mce is enabled, and the afore mentioned disabled, and temperature regulator option to keep temps below 90c is disabled , then i would think it will full throttle till 100c.

All I'm saying is I disabled those options as you recommended, and neither ABT nor MCE, nor any combination of the two, is even getting me close to the 90c threshold denoted by Asus' MCE description, let alone the 100c advertised as part of the ABT spec in Intel's materials. And that seems like it's not operating as advertised. I am getting the extended turbo duration, but it's stopping at TVB frequencies.

chrismog2_2
05-03-2021, 07:32 PM
I will say that the core ratio settings did work (I kept it to 5.0 GHz all core, 5.1 for 4 cores, and 5.3 for 2 cores), so thank you for that. I didn't make any other adjustments beyond what was already discussed on this thread. While I'm still curious as to why ABT isn't pushing up to these frequencies, at least this gets back to what I'm expecting to see.

88566

Shamino
05-04-2021, 02:55 AM
i dont know why , i see your on 0707 as well, and i suppose you have high perf power profile in power plan?

chrismog2_2
05-04-2021, 02:09 PM
i dont know why , i see your on 0707 as well, and i suppose you have high perf power profile in power plan?

Yes, high performance, min/max processor state 100%, and active cooling policy.

Shamino
05-04-2021, 07:47 PM
Ah now I thought of some. There were reports of microcode not updating wuth usb flashback. Check cpu config menu see if its 3c. If not then that explauns. Perhaps use ezflash

chrismog2_2
05-05-2021, 11:48 AM
It is revision 3C. I've done all my updates using EZFlash so far.

Seth Anton
05-05-2021, 02:27 PM
I had exactly the same issue. 11900k under multi-stress on Cinebench 23 reached max speed on all cores 4.7/4.8ghz
that was with ABT enabled and Multicore enhancement enabled/remove all limits.

the only thing that worked and had 5ghz on all cores on full load of R23 was the AI overclocking.
By the way is it ok to use AI overclocking? works great so far with good temps

Shamino
05-07-2021, 03:35 AM
ok my bad, ABT is skipped by bios when xmp is enbled. long story behind it basically because some xmp profiles requires bclk which in turn requires lowering ratios to equalize to the same default frequency. thus, there is a conflict and there fore it was previously decided that ABT be simply skipped if the OC Tuner is not at Auto. there will be a change to this such that as long as BCLK is not above the 100.0 default then ABT will not be skipped for the next bios. for now you can also set the AI OC Tuner back to Auto and set the primary timings and frequency and voltage of your xmp yourself and this will not skip ABT.

Onefastmini2002
05-07-2021, 04:47 AM
Any ideas where I can find the 704 beta bios now? the 707 jacked my system, and the 605 apparently doesn't support my needs.... 704 worked the best but i have change the bios twice so cant rollback, and I cant find where I downloaded it previously.....

Seth Anton
05-07-2021, 12:20 PM
ok my bad, ABT is skipped by bios when xmp is enbled. long story behind it basically because some xmp profiles requires bclk which in turn requires lowering ratios to equalize to the same default frequency. thus, there is a conflict and there fore it was previously decided that ABT be simply skipped if the OC Tuner is not at Auto. there will be a change to this such that as long as BCLK is not above the 100.0 default then ABT will not be skipped for the next bios. for now you can also set the AI OC Tuner back to Auto and set the primary timings and frequency and voltage of your xmp yourself and this will not skip ABT.


I followed your suggestion and worked 100%, thanks!
So XMP indeed is blocking ABT. By the way is it ok for 11900k those vcore spikes?
Vcore is between 1.38 to 1.42 ( on full work load/gaming but sometimes is spiking to 1.45
Temp with Cinebench R23 on Multi-load was 90c max and while gaming 50s-70s with some peaks to 80c
i guess this is ok for 11900k

88597

chrismog2_2
05-07-2021, 12:59 PM
ok my bad, ABT is skipped by bios when xmp is enbled. long story behind it basically because some xmp profiles requires bclk which in turn requires lowering ratios to equalize to the same default frequency. thus, there is a conflict and there fore it was previously decided that ABT be simply skipped if the OC Tuner is not at Auto. there will be a change to this such that as long as BCLK is not above the 100.0 default then ABT will not be skipped for the next bios. for now you can also set the AI OC Tuner back to Auto and set the primary timings and frequency and voltage of your xmp yourself and this will not skip ABT.

That makes sense, thanks for the follow-up and looking forward to the next revision!

biship
05-07-2021, 08:43 PM
Does this same problem exist for Asus Strix Z590-E 707?

thomas_yiu@ROG
05-08-2021, 12:41 AM
That makes sense, thanks for the follow-up and looking forward to the next revision!

Hello Chrismog2_2

Can you please PM me, we can have engineers internally take a look into it. Please provide steps you have taken after talking to L2 call case so I can update to latest settings. Have a good day.

Thomas

Zardoc
05-08-2021, 02:58 AM
Hello Chrismog2_2

Can you please PM me, we can have engineers internally take a look into it. Please provide steps you have taken after talking to L2 call case so I can update to latest settings. Have a good day.

Thomas

Thomas, are you going to give him the same type of help that you gave me with the audio chip? :rolleyes:

thomas_yiu@ROG
05-12-2021, 05:17 PM
Thomas, are you going to give him the same type of help that you gave me with the audio chip? :rolleyes:

Hello Zardoc,

Could you please PM me of your root issue? specifications? Steps you done. I really appreciate it.

Thomas

Shamino
05-14-2021, 06:52 AM
Fixed in this bios

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5mwdpgcpwnhfci5/ROG-STRIX-Z590-F-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/atcgaa3jqglpkn6/ROG-STRIX-Z590-E-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zd85k0uy1yg3ewg/ROG-STRIX-Z590-A-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/seg5fuchr9y63os/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-HERO-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2zpgii491l919br/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-APEX-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9yy556orv17h04/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-EXTREME-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0

Also Adds OCTVB for RKL
Guide:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hz7laveryk4bbwo645a54/rkl_octvb.docx?dl=0&rlkey=f55vy6z360xcmorii2xv3k9zt

biship
05-14-2021, 09:50 AM
Thanks!
Release notes?

iFredn
05-14-2021, 12:00 PM
Is this an official release?

Mutaz2019
05-14-2021, 12:13 PM
Fixed in this bios

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5mwdpgcpwnhfci5/ROG-STRIX-Z590-F-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/atcgaa3jqglpkn6/ROG-STRIX-Z590-E-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zd85k0uy1yg3ewg/ROG-STRIX-Z590-A-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/seg5fuchr9y63os/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-HERO-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2zpgii491l919br/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-APEX-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9yy556orv17h04/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-EXTREME-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0

Also Adds OCTVB for RKL
Guide:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hz7laveryk4bbwo645a54/rkl_octvb.docx?dl=0&rlkey=f55vy6z360xcmorii2xv3k9zt

Is this an official release?

chrismog2_2
05-14-2021, 12:50 PM
Fixed in this bios

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5mwdpgcpwnhfci5/ROG-STRIX-Z590-F-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/atcgaa3jqglpkn6/ROG-STRIX-Z590-E-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zd85k0uy1yg3ewg/ROG-STRIX-Z590-A-GAMING-WIFI-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/seg5fuchr9y63os/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-HERO-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2zpgii491l919br/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-APEX-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9yy556orv17h04/ROG-MAXIMUS-XIII-EXTREME-ASUS-0901.rar?dl=0

Also Adds OCTVB for RKL
Guide:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hz7laveryk4bbwo645a54/rkl_octvb.docx?dl=0&rlkey=f55vy6z360xcmorii2xv3k9zt

Tested it out for my board (the Strix Z590-A) and it does work properly now with XMP settings + ABT set to "Enabled". There is an Auto setting on ABT now which doesn't appear to do anything.

Were any other performance tweaks added in to this BIOS? It could just be my imagination but it looks a bit more aggressive at keeping under that 90C temperature threshold specified by Asus MCE (considering both ABT and MCE are enabled, I'm not surprised and expected that behavior though). Different day, different ambient temps, so like I said it could just be me...

Thanks!!

Shamino
05-14-2021, 01:20 PM
bios spent a lot of effort to do a good octvb implementation, be sure to check it out

yahfz
05-14-2021, 02:00 PM
bios spent a lot of effort to do a good octvb implementation, be sure to check it out

Is the Per Core OC still broken?

Shamino
05-14-2021, 02:09 PM
ive never seen the brokenness you are talking about
keep things simple and just set the minimal options , 1 active core A ratio, 2 active cores b ratio etc, dont set a tonne of other things. is it still "broken"?

yahfz
05-14-2021, 02:16 PM
ive never seen the brokenness you are talking about
keep things simple and just set the minimal options , 1 active core A ratio, 2 active cores b ratio etc, dont set a tonne of other things. is it still "broken"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84onNce0xo
Here's a video showing the behavior of it and the settings used in the description. And yes, its still broken on 0801, i haven't tried 0901 yet. Kinda want to be sure its working before updating so i don't have to re-do all my memory/oc settings.

Also i'm on Rocket Lake, a fixed individual core multiplier is supposed to work regardless of how many cores are active.

Shamino
05-14-2021, 02:53 PM
i think you are mistaking specific cores with by core usage
no, they complement each other, active cores matter and specific core ratio limit matters
if your active core config is 53/53/51/51/50/50/49/49, even if your core x ratio is 80x it will still be tops 53x in light loads
you cannot expect me to tell what your bios settings are from a video of hwinfo

yahfz
05-14-2021, 04:00 PM
i think you are mistaking specific cores with by core usage
no, they complement each other, active cores matter and specific core ratio limit matters
if your active core config is 53/53/51/51/50/50/49/49, even if your core x ratio is 80x it will still be tops 53x in light loads
you cannot expect me to tell what your bios settings are from a video of hwinfo

All the bios info needed is in the video description as i mentioned in my comment above.

In Rocket Lake each core now has its own PLL which allows independent core clocks to be set on each core regardless of how many are active so i'm not entirely sure what you mean? I can record another video showing the bios and its settings if the info in the description isn't enough, but yeah it either doesn't work as its supposed to or maybe i'm doing something wrong.

Shamino
05-14-2021, 05:50 PM
In Rocket Lake each core now has its own PLL which allows independent core clocks to be set on each core regardless of how many are active .

yes for the first but no to the second
there are 2 constraints you can set and are already being set:

ratios by active cores
individual core ratio limits

they are enforced to the most conservative sense
if your 5 core active ratio LIMIT is 50x even if core X ratio LIMIT is 56x, it will still run at 50x if 5 cores are active
how does it make sense to tell the cpu "limit my core ratios to 50x if 5 cores are active" and "limit my core X Ratio to 56x" and expect core x to be 56x when the first statement is true?
LIMIT is the key word here if in a situation A and B are true, then the lower number is the LIMIT, it makes perfect sense so.
what do you want to achieve? its very easy, if you want just each core to run a certain ratio regardless of core usage do this:

set by core usage to the maximum of whatever you want the best core to run at.
example 55x:
so set 55/55/55/55 /55/55/55/55

then set specific core ratio limits to whatever you want core X to run at , example:

core0: 55x
core1:54x
core2: 53x
etc

thats it
in other words you are ignoring active core use and just limiting by specific cores.