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gkhann
05-15-2021, 12:35 AM
Hello guys,

I own a Strix Z390-F and 9700K.

After installing the latest bios (1901) and ME Firmware (12.0.81.1753v4) update, POWER limiter geting active , my system is having performance problems.

Here some Cinebench R23 score.

Default bios settings
( Only Enabled XMP profile )

Test1 score: 8652
Test2 score: 8536

Without power limits
Long and short duration power limit MAX
Core and Cache max boost MAX
XMP Enabled

test1 score: 9571
Test2 score: 9607

As you see, How can this happen on an unlocked CPU and Z chipset motherboard?

I think this is a power limit issue. otherwise such a loss of performance is unacceptable!

Those who installed the latest updates. Can you share the cinebench score for comparison?

gkhann
05-15-2021, 01:33 AM
Default bios setting. Only enable XMP profile ( XMP I )
While Cinebench running, clock speeds go down to 4.3-4.4 Ghz.

images link:
https://ibb.co/Kxvhh21
https://ibb.co/n3FL9L9

https://i.ibb.co/whmggSv/On-Paste-20210515-041753.png

https://i.ibb.co/B49CbCb/On-Paste-20210515-041839.png

Wangeyed
05-15-2021, 10:55 AM
im running 9600k @4.9 z390f with turbo power limits set to max, mce off, xmp 1 and mine stays at a constant 4.9 on cinebench with a score of 7302

gkhann
05-15-2021, 01:43 PM
im running 9600k @4.9 z390f with turbo power limits set to max, mce off, xmp 1 and mine stays at a constant 4.9 on cinebench with a score of 7302

Scores look fine when power limit is set to max

problem occurs when using default bios settings. ( clock speed decreases during in cinebench test )
I tried it with old bios. Nothing changed seems like intel ME issue. I hope they fix this

Wangeyed
05-15-2021, 03:55 PM
Scores look fine when power limit is set to max

problem occurs when using default bios settings. ( clock speed decreases during in cinebench test )
I tried it with old bios. Nothing changed seems like intel ME issue. I hope they fix this

this happens when your turbo settings are default on auto, when changed to max it shouldnt throttle

Bisquit
05-17-2021, 05:21 PM
I've had this from day one with bios 702. This board throttles pretty hard on auto if you don't adjust some settings.
Behaves the same with bios 1901

ibushovskiy
05-18-2021, 05:56 PM
I can confirm that

Asus ROG Maximus Formula here with 1901 BETA BIOS + latest MEI

I compare this via 3dmark. Loss is almost 10%. This happened right after installing this BIOS 1901 and latest MEI

TimeSpy https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/19720947/spy/18982353#
Port Royale - https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/953483/pr/976189

sfuma
05-25-2021, 07:10 AM
I have the same problem on ROG STRIX B360-G GAMING. After updating Intel ME - 12.0.81.1753v4, performance has dropped. There is no way to go back to the old version of Intel ME. How to return Intel ME-12.0.70.1652v3?

Wangeyed
05-25-2021, 04:50 PM
im not sure but i dont think its simple to roll back ME driver, i dont think im having this issue using the driver on this forum 12.0.81.1753 just without the v4

sfuma
06-01-2021, 05:05 PM
I think this is a power limit issue. otherwise such a loss of performance is unacceptable!


You wrote in those. support for ASUS?

gkhann
06-01-2021, 09:51 PM
You wrote in those. support for ASUS?

Honestly, I don't think they would care. but yes via Discord. No one any idea
I manually disabled power limits. currently using it this way

sfuma
06-02-2021, 05:10 AM
I wrote to them. They replied that no one is complaining. More user complaints are needed to fix this. Don't be lazy and write complaints!

Razer68
06-07-2021, 03:11 PM
I wrote to them. They replied that no one is complaining. More user complaints are needed to fix this. Don't be lazy and write complaints!

I can not even install beta version 1901 on my
Z390F card

Adrian1983
06-08-2021, 06:17 PM
How many times has it been posted on here DO NOT update your ME if you don't want your system feeling like a 10yr old system after Asus and Intel have patched the **** out of their boards and CPU's? Myself included after the last update I did ages ago slowed my system down and SSD performance also.

It's quite simple the more you flash and update the ME firmware it's going to slow your system down even further, When people realise these are security updates then you will understand security and performance do not go hand in hand.

BigJohnny
06-09-2021, 02:33 AM
With every MEI update and BIOS the performance does take a hit. If thats all thats in the BIOS Id roll back. Im running a newer BIOS modded with older microcodes specifically because of that. I can manage to crank it up and regain the performance but that comes at the cost of more heat.

sfuma
06-10-2021, 09:02 PM
Latest BIOS and Intel ME Sucks! It feels like an SSD has turned into an HDD. I wonder if Asus tested its firmware?

vvoid
06-16-2021, 08:08 PM
Hmm, Z390-F here. Can someone please clarify
1. before and after (1901) scores. What help are just the current scores?
2. Did the 1901 BIOS update ME firmware to some bad version? Why not just flash an other version from the forums here?

Not to play it down, myself I'm still having some issues and am not really convinced of 1901, but that's more related to overclocking, especially memory.
Anyhow, I suppose anyone has the possibility to downgrade to his/her preferred BIOS version. Why is it such a big deal that 1901 potentially sucks?

Edit: To make it more clear, I cannot confirm "performance" issues. My issue is more about stability when overclocking... And honestly, I don't think ME firmware in itself can have any impact on performance at all. CPU Microcode sure, but ME firmware nah. Feel free to prove otherwise.

Jesseinsf
06-17-2021, 07:01 AM
im not sure but i dont think its simple to roll back ME driver, i dont think im having this issue using the driver on this forum 12.0.81.1753 just without the v4
You can roll back an ME driver, but not ME firmware.

MRBULL
06-19-2021, 12:34 PM
so is the bios alone ok to update ?

Jesseinsf
06-19-2021, 01:48 PM
Windows 10 KB5003690 fixes issues with News and Interest, Taskbar Search Box and Gaming performance issues (Insiders Beta Channel).

Bisquit
06-19-2021, 04:52 PM
so is the bios alone ok to update ?

I did. went ok. Although cinebench R20 seems to score 50 points lower on multicore test. Consistently.