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Clouduck
06-19-2012, 11:26 AM
Hey all,

So I've done some reading on the forums recently about the G74sx series laptop and upgrading it's graphics card (To which i've read that it's somewhat impossible to replace by yourself). I'm well aware that the GTX 560M graphics card is soldered onto the mobo. I was wondering if it were possible and not ridiculous (in both price and effort) to get a new mobo from the newer laptops (ie. the G75 series or next year's model) and have the new graphics card in place.

Either that, or get a compatible graphics card and get the card professionally replaced and re-soldered onto the mobo. I'm not sure how motherboards and graphics compatibility works :/

Is this viable at all? Or will I only be able to upgrade my CPU, memory and Hard drives? (The GTX 560M is the weakest component in my system. I have the i7 2670QM processor)

Much Thanks,

Clouduck

gilbert
06-19-2012, 04:01 PM
everything is possible with money , you can always find a local shop to do it for you, here in arizona there is a lot of little shops that would do it for me all i have to do is get them the part i want to replace the original with , i'm not a gamer so i have no need for a better gpu now the cpu is another story im hopping that next year i will b able to upgrade to the 2960xm .

Clouduck
06-20-2012, 01:19 AM
everything is possible with money , you can always find a local shop to do it for you, here in arizona there is a lot of little shops that would do it for me all i have to do is get them the part i want to replace the original with , i'm not a gamer so i have no need for a better gpu now the cpu is another story im hopping that next year i will b able to upgrade to the 2960xm .

All right, thanks for the reply! So do I have to worry about getting a certain graphics card? I'm unsure as to how compatability works. So could I buy a GTX 675M, get it professionally replaced and re-souldered and it should work? Would I need to worry about any thing else?

electric0ant
06-20-2012, 09:39 AM
everything is possible with money , you can always find a local shop to do it for you, here in arizona there is a lot of little shops that would do it for me all i have to do is get them the part i want to replace the original with , i'm not a gamer so i have no need for a better gpu now the cpu is another story im hopping that next year i will b able to upgrade to the 2960xm .

if the GPU is soldered onto the board you're not going to be able to upgrade it. resoldering individual chips on motherboards is possible but when the graphics card is integrated in, no upgrade is going to be possible for that.

the G75 series motherboard is not going to fit the G74 case.

general rule for notebooks, only the motherboard for that notebook will fit that notebook. anything that is integrated on the motherboard will never ever be upgrade-able.

jonfl1
06-20-2012, 01:53 PM
Does anyone know for sure if the G74S machines use a true Nvidia MXM port for the video card?

This site/page is a great starting point for information on this: http://www.mxm-upgrade.com/Tech_13.html

Per that site, it is NOT possible to upgrade the GPU in a G73JW/JH, because it does nto use a true MXM form factor card. I'm not sure about the G74, and maybe someone else on here can provide constructive input if they've cracked theirs open...

jonfl1
06-20-2012, 01:57 PM
Oops... Just saw a pic of the naked G74 mobo in another thread and it looks as though the G74 doesn't use an MXM slot. So basically, even if you could find a loose GPU chip for sale on the secondary market, you'd need a technician to remove the previous one and install the new one. And this would far from guarantee compatibility.

gilbert
06-20-2012, 04:23 PM
if the GPU is soldered onto the board you're not going to be able to upgrade it. resoldering individual chips on motherboards is possible but when the graphics card is integrated in, no upgrade is going to be possible for that.

the G75 series motherboard is not going to fit the G74 case.

general rule for notebooks, only the motherboard for that notebook will fit that notebook. anything that is integrated on the motherboard will never ever be upgrade-able. you can upgrade the gpu like i said if u are willing to pay is not going to be easy and yes it will void your warranty , i remember when i first got my supercharged cobalt in 2005 people told me no you cant put a turbo on it and what do you know a year later i was using a big turbo on it , yes i had to change a lot of other parts but it was possible , im not saying it would b easy and you may need to modify the heat sinks and other parts but it is possible if u have the cash , it may not be cost effective but hey who am i to tell you what to do with your money it may be a lot cheaper just to get another lappy but hey everything is possible with money

gilbert
06-20-2012, 04:33 PM
Oops... Just saw a pic of the naked G74 mobo in another thread and it looks as though the G74 doesn't use an MXM slot. So basically, even if you could find a loose GPU chip for sale on the secondary market, you'd need a technician to remove the previous one and install the new one. And this would far from guarantee compatibility.oh yeah you can say good bye to your warranty for sure ,on any big upgrade to pretty much anything , in my case i would be trowing in a 2960 xm in mine and im aware that i would have no more warranty on it but its ok because i know a lot of shops here in az that are pretty cheap and if they want to charge a lot my nephew is a technician for a big company in mexico usually dealing with fixing everybody's laptops and pc's in the company im sure he can fix mine 2 .

jonfl1
06-20-2012, 05:03 PM
The point though is that while you might be able to get the chip installed (assuming you can even get a loose chip in the first place), there is no way to guarantee compatibility or functionality once you do.

gilbert
06-20-2012, 05:11 PM
The point though is that while you might be able to get the chip installed (assuming you can even get a loose chip in the first place), there is no way to guarantee compatibility or functionality once you do. theoretically it should work but you are right , we wont know until somebody try's it out , the only reason we know that a 2960xm will work on the g74sx is because somebody already did it , so in other words if u attempt to upgrade the gpu you will be the first one to ever tried it that we know .

jonfl1
06-20-2012, 06:14 PM
I'm not sure if anyone else has a lead, but I'm having trouble even finding a place to get a loose GPU from in the first place. If I could find someone to sell it to me, I'd love to try slapping a 630M or 680M in my G74...

MrRuckus
06-20-2012, 08:04 PM
Pretty sure this is impossible. Reason being is GPU's for laptops have very strict guildlines for power usage and thermal capacity. Another reason is I doubt the pin output is the same for a 600 series GPU to a 500 series. I know some are direct replacements with just a name change but going from a 560 to a 680 I dont think would be possible. Not only would you need to change the GPU & Heatsink, but you would also have to change the ram which is also soldered to the board, along with all of the VRM circuitry as that would also need to be swapped to handle the heavier load of a 680m.

I can almost certainly say anyone that attempts this will walk away with a paperweight for their mobo. The motherboard was specifically made for a 560m, thats why its soldered on. You can change the CPU all day since its socketed, but not the GPU.

gilbert
06-20-2012, 08:37 PM
there is a couple of thread about this already here ,there was even a guy with a g73 looking at the 7960m, u should look in to the 580 instead of the 680 if you are serious about trying the very risky gpu swap, i tell you what tho ,,,,,, you would b a legend if you achieve this. here is a link you may want to contact them and ask them for help http://www.btotech.com/

Boosted_R
06-21-2012, 01:17 AM
For anyone reading this tread 100% Motherboard and GPU upgrade isn't possible on the G74.........simple as that...... want something faster? ... new laptop

gilbert
06-21-2012, 04:01 AM
For anyone reading this tread 100% Motherboard and GPU upgrade isn't possible on the G74.........simple as that...... want something faster? ... new laptop
i have not read of anybody actually trying and failing at a gpu upgrade so i cant say for sure that it is not possible but maybe booster have , in any case if u still want to try it good luck to you op, and remember guys the same was said about the g74sx being capable of having 32gb of ram and there is people already using them .. even data dave got some amazing results of 16gb at 1600mhz maybe if he would of keept on looking he would have get them all 16gb running at top speed.

electric0ant
06-21-2012, 05:30 AM
the OP asked about upgrading the GPU, NOT the CPU.

CPU upgrade looks like its possible with the G74 as the CPU is not soldered on, from what I can see it still uses a socket. as long as its with the same generation of CPUs with the same FSB speed it theortically should work.

GPU upgrade on a laptop like the G74 where the GPU is integrated is IMPOSSIBLE.
look at a desktop graphics card, see all those other small components on the board with the gpu chip? all those are integrated into the laptop motherboard. its not just a matter of soldering a new gpu chip, as all these part work together to work as the graphics card. even within the same series of gpus these will be different.

gilbert
06-21-2012, 06:33 AM
So ok what you guys are saying that even if u have a proffesional change all the components necesary and does all the driver updates after all that it is impossible for it to work ? Because that i just cant believe it . We know this is not an easy upgrade and we know that a proffesional is necesary and we also know that is not just the gpu that needs to b replace and or modify but there has to be a way there always is...

electric0ant
06-21-2012, 07:21 AM
So ok what you guys are saying that even if u have a proffesional change all the components necesary and does all the driver updates after all that it is impossible for it to work ? Because that i just cant believe it . We know this is not an easy upgrade and we know that a proffesional is necesary and we also know that is not just the gpu that needs to b replace and or modify but there has to be a way there always is...

well if you want to put it that way, yes it is possible with an engineering team and manufacturing department so you can redesign and rebuild the whole motherboard for the new GPU, but then thats not really upgrading the gpu, thats just building a whole new motherboard.

do you know how complex the connections and components in a circuit board is? essentially on a laptop motherboard with an integrated gpu, all the components you see on a graphics card and motherboard are all integrated into one PCB. essentially there is no feasible way of upgrading it, as you would have to add new components onto the board and change the circuitry which is in the circuit board.
it is possible to replace like for like, but no way of upgrading.

gilbert
06-21-2012, 08:06 AM
well if you want to put it that way, yes it is possible with an engineering team and manufacturing department so you can redesign and rebuild the whole motherboard for the new GPU, but then thats not really upgrading the gpu, thats just building a whole new motherboard.

do you know how complex the connections and components in a circuit board is? essentially on a laptop motherboard with an integrated gpu, all the components you see on a graphics card and motherboard are all integrated into one PCB. essentially there is no feasible way of upgrading it, as you would have to add new components onto the board and change the circuitry which is in the circuit board.
it is possible to replace like for like, but no way of upgrading.
Ok so it is possible just not cost efective , but yes people like i said in the first page of this post it is posible if you have the money .

electric0ant
06-21-2012, 08:35 AM
Ok so it is possible just not cost efective , but yes people like i said in the first page of this post it is posible if you have the money .

well technically its not possible, like i said, even if you would have the money it's designing and building a new motherboard for the laptop, which is not upgrading the gpu.

the cost of this isn't wouldn't even be about cost effectiveness it's pretty much the costs a OEM company like asus and hp puts into designing a new laptop.

gilbert
06-21-2012, 02:47 PM
well technically its not possible, like i said, even if you would have the money it's designing and building a new motherboard for the laptop, which is not upgrading the gpu.

the cost of this isn't wouldn't even be about cost effectiveness it's pretty much the costs a OEM company like asus and hp puts into designing a new laptop.

What about upgrading from the 560 2gb to the 560 3gb ?

gilbert
06-21-2012, 03:26 PM
Or better yet is there any mobo made with either the 570 or 580 for the g74sx that they could replace their mobo with for people who want to keep the g74 but want a better gpu ?

electric0ant
06-22-2012, 01:16 AM
What about upgrading from the 560 2gb to the 560 3gb ?

thats not going to be possible either as its adding additional vram chips, hence requiring new circuitry.

what is theoretically possible is replacing chips, so if your 560 gpu chip dies, you should be able to replace with


Or better yet is there any mobo made with either the 570 or 580 for the g74sx that they could replace their mobo with for people who want to keep the g74 but want a better gpu ?

that would be the easiest way, but i don;t think asus make them.