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somejoshdude
07-13-2012, 12:10 PM
A bit discouraging, but it is confirmed that the G73 can get P5408 due to its upgradability. While this is not Asus supported, it is fully possible without thermal issues.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/657920-ati-hd-7970m-asus-g73jh-16.html

Woots
07-13-2012, 12:26 PM
On a side note...

While 7970m is currently fastest mobile card on market... Keep in mind it is also the most drama ridden currently. A friend of mine got an alienware laptop recently with 7970m and has been dealing with constant overheating issues. This is common problem on 7970m (google that topic).

I was about to buy one myself just based on huge benchmark scores that are very desktop worthy... But as you might imagine desktop level performance trapped between inch deep slabs of plastic isnt a lot of breathing room. I am not sure if AMD is going to be able to sort that issue out or not.

So try not to get too jelly... Grass is always greener as they say. I personally would much rather have 680m over 7970m take a huge performance hit, but have a stable cool laptop.

somejoshdude
07-13-2012, 12:39 PM
While 7970m is currently fastest mobile card on market... Keep in mind it is also the most drama ridden currently. A friend of mine got an alienware recently with 7970 and has been dealing with constant overheating issues. This is common problem on 7970m (google that topic).


I was about to buy one myself just based on huge benchmark scores that are very desktop worthy... But as you might imagine desktop level performance trapped between inch deep slabs of plastic isnt a lot of breathing room. I am not sure if AMD is going to be able to sort thar issue out or not.

So try not to get too jelly... Grass is always greener ad they say. I personally would much rather have 680m over 7970m take a huge performance hit, but have a stable cool laptop.



Read the thread. He is experiencing NO thermal issues. NONE. The G73 cooling system is much more efficient than alienware, sager, clevo, MSI... etcetera... Also ... your statement does not make sense. It wouldn't be the "desktop performance" that causes it to overheat, it would be due to issues in a cooling solution to dissipate the heat or using more voltage to generate heat regardless of frequency (Performance). Performance generally correlates to voltage but with different technologies aka architectures you can produce a much more efficient and even higher frequency (lack of better words) without an increase in voltage. Due to specific advances you can actually use LESS.

In short. G73 used a higher end card at high thermals. it can also now use one of the highest mobile GPUs ( you are incorrect in saying the fastest as the GTX 680m is.. But I'll let that go) on the market with no consequence (thermal performance is stable) other than no audio through HDMI which may be resolved through custom VBIOS.

Daylife
07-13-2012, 01:04 PM
A bit discouraging, but it is confirmed that the G73 can get P5408 due to its upgradability. While this is not Asus supported, it is fully possible without thermal issues.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/657920-ati-hd-7970m-asus-g73jh-16.html


Lol who cares? How much does a 7970m cost? then risking your laptop doing the upgrade etc........Not worth it.

somejoshdude
07-13-2012, 01:08 PM
Lol who cares? How much does a 7970m cost? then risking your laptop doing the upgrade etc........Not worth it.

Modders who would like to upgrade their G75 to an advanced card down the line who are unable to due to Asus's use of a proprietary MXM solution. :)

somejoshdude
07-13-2012, 01:10 PM
The impact lies not with the 7970m but future cards down the line. the G73 can go three full generations of GPU. We can only go one with the G75.

Zygomorphic
07-13-2012, 01:35 PM
The impact lies not with the 7970m but future cards down the line. the G73 can go three full generations of GPU. We can only go one with the G75.

Yeah, that is very disappointing. I would like ASUS to go the route of standard MXM boards in their ROG line and sell upgraded CPUs and GPUs, similar the build-your-own-desktop which ASUS is very into. That would make the notebook world a whole lot more exciting. I understand the limitations of a custom mobo form factor, but the G73JH is a testament to the fact that you can upgrade a GPU if you follow standards--isn't that what standards are for?

ForCeV
07-14-2012, 02:11 AM
It is a great news for G73JH users. However, I am satisfied with G75 because its performance is well enough to run any of games for me. Plus, it is very thin, and good design, so I keep it up. Anyway, congratulate a mod successfully for G73jh users.

kiba
07-14-2012, 05:24 AM
pretty sweet, now im thinking of doing this w/ my g73jh... i already have taken it apart to repast it so i know my way around its guts.

ps ill post a pic later comparing my g75 and g73 but the g73jh is just as thin as the g75... also it has a slightly better cooling design as it intakes air from both the top and bottom rather than just the bottom (g75)

kiba
07-14-2012, 05:31 AM
Lol who cares? How much does a 7970m cost? then risking your laptop doing the upgrade etc........Not worth it. lol, really? i guess youve never repasted a laptop before. i wouldnt consider it risky at all, ive taken apart my g73 several times, also i would think the price of the card irrelevant to the life it adds to your notebook

Daylife
07-14-2012, 01:13 PM
lol, really? i guess youve never repasted a laptop before. i wouldnt consider it risky at all, ive taken apart my g73 several times, also i would think the price of the card irrelevant to the life it adds to your notebook

Good luck with that i guess lol

kiba
07-14-2012, 05:02 PM
Good luck with that i guess loltaking apart these laptops is only slightly more difficult than building your own rig, which ive been doing since i was 6 years old (stepdad used to have me help him build SCSI unix servers in our basement as a kid, i was the only kid i knew w/ a ISDN connection :) , everyone else had 56k, and slower before 56k came out... i used to pwn in quake and cs lolz) these laptops are put together very well and youd be surprised how straightforward it os to take them apart for things like repasting or even replacing the CPU or GPU. i havent taken apart my g75 yet, but the g74 was even easier to take apart than the g73, and i can only imagine that the g75 is as well... seeing as the design is so similar.

If/when i do it, i will def take pics and do a write up for the forum. unless someone beats me to it. i was going to do it to replace the memory on the opposite side of the mobo, but when i got my replacement, micro center preinstalled 4x4gb corsair ram, replaced the hitachi (i beleive?) ram that it came w/, so i didnt have to. but.... im thinking about repasting it, like i did w/ my g74 and g73, so that i can be sure that its done correctly (plus i used high end paste and got a ~7C-10C drop on average on both, which aint no small potatoes).

anyways TLDR, there are plenty of good reasons to take apart your laptop, its not hard and these are well-built for it, theres no reason to be scared of doing it, if you can build leggos as a kid, you can definitely repaste a g74sx.

Zygomorphic
07-14-2012, 06:30 PM
taking apart these laptops is only slightly more difficult than building your own rig, which ive been doing since i was 6 years old (stepdad used to have me help him build SCSI unix servers in our basement as a kid, i was the only kid i knew w/ a ISDN connection :) , everyone else had 56k, and slower before 56k came out... i used to pwn in quake and cs lolz) these laptops are put together very well and youd be surprised how straightforward it os to take them apart for things like repasting or even replacing the CPU or GPU. i havent taken apart my g75 yet, but the g74 was even easier to take apart than the g73, and i can only imagine that the g75 is as well... seeing as the design is so similar.

If/when i do it, i will def take pics and do a write up for the forum. unless someone beats me to it. i was going to do it to replace the memory on the opposite side of the mobo, but when i got my replacement, micro center preinstalled 4x4gb corsair ram, replaced the hitachi (i beleive?) ram that it came w/, so i didnt have to. but.... im thinking about repasting it, like i did w/ my g74 and g73, so that i can be sure that its done correctly (plus i used high end paste and got a ~7C-10C drop on average on both, which aint no small potatoes).

anyways TLDR, there are plenty of good reasons to take apart your laptop, its not hard and these are well-built for it, theres no reason to be scared of doing it, if you can build leggos as a kid, you can definitely repaste a g74sx.

Gloating about that 100 kb/s connection? :cool: Still, SCSI systems are pretty rare. The G74SX was not that bad from what I understand, but the G5X series is quite difficult. They are a mess to disassemble, but with patience and skill, it can be done. You forget that not everyone had ISDN in those days to look up how to build UNIX servers. ;)

jorlanm
07-14-2012, 06:51 PM
I called ASUS about upgrading my G73sw-3DE to a GTX 680m ($500) if I buy an MXM Card. ASUS said they do not recommend it but is possible with slight modification. The MXM card will fit the G73sw since the G73 ASUS MXM cards while bigger board still closely resembles MXM specifications...But he said proceed at your own risk, they do not support it since ASUS makes their own version of MXM and using third party MXM will void warranty (Well Duh)...

Then I asked If I get a G75vw and upgrade to a GTX 680m MXM is it possible...ASUS said no, since the G75VW do ressemble the G73 ... Because of the slighly slimmer form factor the MXM card it uses are more customized version than what the G73 uses so a standard MXM card wont work...The G74 and G55 is out of the question since the GPU is soldered on to the Motherboard.

xmanrigger
07-15-2012, 02:45 AM
Read the thread. He is experiencing NO thermal issues. NONE. The G73 cooling system is much more efficient than alienware, sager, clevo, MSI... etcetera... Also ... your statement does not make sense. It wouldn't be the "desktop performance" that causes it to overheat, it would be due to issues in a cooling solution to dissipate the heat or using more voltage to generate heat regardless of frequency (Performance). Performance generally correlates to voltage but with different technologies aka architectures you can produce a much more efficient and even higher frequency (lack of better words) without an increase in voltage. Due to specific advances you can actually use LESS.

In short. G73 used a higher end card at high thermals. it can also now use one of the highest mobile GPUs ( you are incorrect in saying the fastest as the GTX 680m is.. But I'll let that go) on the market with no consequence (thermal performance is stable) other than no audio through HDMI which may be resolved through custom VBIOS.

Does that staement apply to the entire 600M series or the 660M also?
Check this out: I have the G75VW with a 660M gpu. The night after UFC 148 was really hot, so my son and I decided to watch the download I had of it outside and have a few beers. He drug his 32" lcd TV outside and I grabbed my G75VW. I used an HDMI cable to conect the two. After getting no audio, I went to Control Panel/Sound to have a look. It said "not plugged in". I had heard of issues with nvidia cards and HDMI audio, so rather than waste time messing with things, I was just going to go with the Headphone jack to 'audio in' on the TV. As soon as I plugged into the headphone jack, audio suddenly started to come thru the HDMI cable to the TV. By time we got done watching the UFC and some other fights, we were rather inebriated, so I forgot all about it until reading your post. I havnt used the HDMI port since, so not sure what was up with it. But, I did in fact get audio thru HDMI.

jorlanm
07-15-2012, 06:32 AM
Does that staement apply to the entire 600M series or the 660M also?
Check this out: I have the G75VW with a 660M gpu. The night after UFC 148 was really hot, so my son and I decided to watch the download I had of it outside and have a few beers. He drug his 32" lcd TV outside and I grabbed my G75VW. I used an HDMI cable to conect the two. After getting no audio, I went to Control Panel/Sound to have a look. It said "not plugged in". I had heard of issues with nvidia cards and HDMI audio, so rather than waste time messing with things, I was just going to go with the Headphone jack to 'audio in' on the TV. As soon as I plugged into the headphone jack, audio suddenly started to come thru the HDMI cable to the TV. By time we got done watching the UFC and some other fights, we were rather inebriated, so I forgot all about it until reading your post. I havnt used the HDMI port since, so not sure what was up with it. But, I did in fact get audio thru HDMI.

Just ran nto this roblem a few months ago...G73sw-3DE though...HDMI audio works when I disable the Laptop Audio at the Windows Audio setting...Just select HDMI

kiba
07-15-2012, 07:29 PM
my g73 does have the chastity vbios, but as far as i know, its always had audio thru the HDMI


Gloating about that 100 kb/s connection? :cool: Still, SCSI systems are pretty rare. The G74SX was not that bad from what I understand, but the G5X series is quite difficult. They are a mess to disassemble, but with patience and skill, it can be done. You forget that not everyone had ISDN in those days to look up how to build UNIX servers. ;)

haha, back then my stepdad worked for Unisys, and then Sun Microsystems, though i cant remember what exactly he did for them...

Zygomorphic
07-15-2012, 08:22 PM
Cool! Must have been a cool place to work, back in the day when comps were tanks...and you could stand on them! :)