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Abby
09-05-2012, 06:02 AM
First time trying my hand at customizing. I don't have much technical knowledge and would like to stay below 2500.00. (I'm a WoW and Skryim fan). Is this a decent system for the price?
(This is from ttp://www.hidevolution.com/)


Asus G75VW-TS71 i73720QM Processor (2.60GHz - 3.60GHz, 6MB Intel Smart Cache)
2GB NVIDIA GTX 660M 17.3"
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit (anytime upgrade)
Asus 1 Year Warranty (valid in USA only) (this was the only option offered)
3rd generation Intel Core i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz - 3.60GHz, 6MB Intel Smart Cache)
Kingston HyperX 16GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz (4DIMMS)
RAID 0 (striping)
2 x Intel 520 Series SATA3 120GB SSD)

$2,435.00

Abby
09-05-2012, 06:04 AM
First time trying my hand at customizing. I don't have much technical knowledge and would like to stay below 2500.00. (I'm a WoW and Skryim fan). Is this a decent system for the price?
(This is from ttp://www.hidevolution.com/)


Asus G75VW-TS71 i73720QM Processor (2.60GHz - 3.60GHz, 6MB Intel Smart Cache)
2GB NVIDIA GTX 660M 17.3"
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit (anytime upgrade)
Asus 1 Year Warranty (valid in USA only) (this was the only option offered)
3rd generation Intel Core i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz - 3.60GHz, 6MB Intel Smart Cache)
Kingston HyperX 16GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz (4DIMMS)
RAID 0 (striping)
2 x Intel 520 Series SATA3 120GB SSD)

$2,435.00

Zygomorphic
09-05-2012, 08:51 AM
Looks like a great system there! :) G75's are really, really fast. I removed the extra thread so there is only one for people to answer. Welcome! :)

bignazpwns
09-05-2012, 09:27 AM
For that price there are much much much better options. Check out Sager for that much you should be getting a GTX 680m and that mops the floor with a GTX 660m

john_from_ohio
09-05-2012, 10:26 AM
First time trying my hand at customizing. I don't have much technical knowledge and would like to stay below 2500.00. (I'm a WoW and Skryim fan). Is this a decent system for the price?


You are going to have very little space with a 2 x 120 ssd setup. Many of us would run out of room almost immediately like that.

Windows Ultimate really may be too much ... fairly useful if your system has on board TPM chip for full disk encryption but the G75's do not support that.

Abby
09-05-2012, 01:16 PM
Looks like a great system there! :) G75's are really, really fast. I removed the extra thread so there is only one for people to answer. Welcome! :)

Thanks so much Zygomorphic, lol. I couldn't figure out how to delete the one post--couldn't find a delete option (I know, I know...lame).

Abby
09-05-2012, 01:23 PM
For that price there are much much much better options. Check out Sager for that much you should be getting a GTX 680m and that mops the floor with a GTX 660m

Hey, bignazpwns. After posting this last night, I stumbled onto a site called ibuypower. Have you or anyone you know had experience with the Valkyrie CZ-17 BTS? I surfed around for some articles and reviews...they were mixed opinions, of course!

The only thing is that I really want another ASUS :( Would you happen to know if there are better options offered on reputable sites? I've had a hard time finding a site that allows customization (plus, lol, this IS my first time attempting this)

Abby
09-05-2012, 01:36 PM
You are going to have very little space with a 2 x 120 ssd setup. Many of us would run out of room almost immediately like that.

Windows Ultimate really may be too much ... fairly useful if your system has on board TPM chip for full disk encryption but the G75's do not support that.

Hey Jon, thanks so much. I wanted the Pro version, but they only offered Premium and Ultimate. I thought I read somewhere that 16 GB RAM was the max that Premium could handle and didn't know. There were certain features that I wanted for other purposes, but Pro would have sufficed. I used to be gaming every spare hour, but don't have that kind of time...would 8 GB or 12 GB be enough. I'm actually only playing Skyrim at this time, so would switching to premium work better if I keep the 2 x 120?

john_from_ohio
09-05-2012, 03:04 PM
Sure premium would work fine with 16 gb or less ... nothing wrong with ultimate but in my mind ... un-necessary if you are paying extra for it and not using the TPM / encryption.

Why exactly do you want a 2 x 120 gb SSD setup? Why not a single SSD for the operating system etc and a larger 2nd drive for data/games/etc?

Abby
09-05-2012, 03:09 PM
Sure premium would work fine with 16 gb or less ... nothing wrong with ultimate but in my mind ... un-necessary if you are paying extra for it and not using the TPM / encryption.

Why exactly do you want a 2 x 120 gb SSD setup? Why not a single SSD for the operating system etc and a larger 2nd drive for data/games/etc?


Would a single SSD be better? (sorry for being so ignorant, lol) Someone had mentioned that dual with RAID striping might be a faster option. And....is there a cheaper option for an SSD than Intel 520 Series that would work? Like Corsair, Crucial, etc?

BornSupercharged
09-05-2012, 03:54 PM
Would a single SSD be better? (sorry for being so ignorant, lol) Someone had mentioned that dual with RAID striping might be a faster option. And....is there a cheaper option for an SSD than Intel 520 Series that would work? Like Corsair, Crucial, etc?

I had two SSDs in RAID 0, got over 1000MB/s in benchmarks and it was fast. But when I did my new recent build I decided not to put them in RAID 0 and the only difference I can tell is there's no more RAID array initializing at bootup. Everything feels just as fast, and if one of them dies I don't lose ALL my data, just the data that was on that one drive.

Honestly I'd do at least a 256GB SSD for OS and a 7200rpm secondary drive, at least 500GB.

Abby
09-05-2012, 03:57 PM
I had two SSDs in RAID 0, got over 1000MB/s in benchmarks and it was fast. But when I did my new recent build I decided not to put them in RAID 0 and the only difference I can tell is there's no more RAID array initializing at bootup. Everything feels just as fast, and if one of them dies I don't lose ALL my data, just the data that was on that one drive.

Honestly I'd do at least a 256GB SSD for OS and a 7200rpm secondary drive, at least 500GB.


Can you suggest a reputable site with good customizing options?

BornSupercharged
09-05-2012, 04:29 PM
Can you suggest a reputable site with good customizing options?

Unfortunately I can't because I always build everything myself, doing a Google search brings up quite a few customizers though.

Holy
09-05-2012, 04:30 PM
I can. XoticPc.com

Abby
09-05-2012, 04:50 PM
- 750GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) (SKU - X5R303)
- 240GB Intel 520 Series Solid State Drive (Up to Sequential Read 550MB/s - Write 520MB/s SSD2 Serial-ATA III) (SKU - X5R075)
- 12GB DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (3x4GB SODIMMS) – Default (SKU - X4D434P)

Would this be a better set-up?

BornSupercharged
09-05-2012, 04:51 PM
First time trying my hand at customizing. I don't have much technical knowledge and would like to stay below 2500.00. (I'm a WoW and Skryim fan). Is this a decent system for the price?
(This is from ttp://www.hidevolution.com/)


Asus G75VW-TS71 i73720QM Processor (2.60GHz - 3.60GHz, 6MB Intel Smart Cache)
2GB NVIDIA GTX 660M 17.3"
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit (anytime upgrade)
Asus 1 Year Warranty (valid in USA only) (this was the only option offered)
3rd generation Intel Core i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz - 3.60GHz, 6MB Intel Smart Cache)
Kingston HyperX 16GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz (4DIMMS)
RAID 0 (striping)
2 x Intel 520 Series SATA3 120GB SSD)

$2,435.00

For $1880 you can get the G75VW-DS72 from BestBuy, added bonus is 18months no interest.

Intel Core i7-3610QM 2.3GHz
16GB DDR3 1600
750GB HDD + 256GB SSD HDD
3GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670M
Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit
Blu-ray writer enabled DVD+/-RW/CD-RW

Plus you can purchase an extended warranty, up to 5 YEARS extended, through ASUS. Since you don't have to open it at all, and nobody else has to open it, this is the path to go if you want peace of mind.

BornSupercharged
09-05-2012, 04:54 PM
- 750GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s) (SKU - X5R303)
- 240GB Intel 520 Series Solid State Drive (Up to Sequential Read 550MB/s - Write 520MB/s SSD2 Serial-ATA III) (SKU - X5R075)
- 12GB DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (3x4GB SODIMMS) – Default (SKU - X4D434P)

Would this be a better set-up?

What's the price for that come out to? Is that still with the 660M and not the more powerful 670M?

I doubt it will be cheaper than $1880 that BestBuy has, which has 16GB vs 12 and the 670M vs 660M. Plus if you need to return it, you can just walk into your local BestBuy. I've found they have great support for higher dollar purchases, and if you're a Premier Silver customer you get a 60 day return period. "Best of all, you have plenty of time to decide with a 60-day return, exchange and price-match policy on Best Buy and BestBuy.com purchases."

So if they dropped the price within 60 days of you buying it, you just go up there and they'll do a price match on it.

Abby
09-05-2012, 04:54 PM
For $1880 you can get the G75VW-DS72 from BestBuy, added bonus is 18months no interest.

Intel Core i7-3610QM 2.3GHz
16GB Memory 750GB HDD + 256GB SSD HDD
3GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670M
Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit
Blu-ray writer enabled DVD+/-RW/CD-RW

Plus you can purchase an extended warranty, up to 5 YEARS extended, through ASUS. Since you don't have to open it at all, and nobody else has to open it, this is the path to go if you want peace of mind.


So I wouldn't need the i7-3620? And...is the technology for the 660 better than the 670? Definitely putting that on my list though!

Abby
09-05-2012, 04:56 PM
What's the price for that come out to? Still got the 660M?

2,358.01 from xoticpc and yes still has the 660m

BornSupercharged
09-05-2012, 05:07 PM
So I wouldn't need the i7-3620? And...is the technology for the 660 better than the 670? Definitely putting that on my list though!
You honestly won't notice a difference in the 3610qm and 3720qm, the 3610qm is not going to bottleneck your system in any way.


2,358.01 from xoticpc and yes still has the 660m
Youch. Honestly you get so much more from the $1880@BestBuy, for nearly $500 less. Plus a regular ASUS warranty that you can extend. If someone customizes it, your warranty is through them.. and if they (god forbid) go out of business, you're on your own. I always prefer a manufacturer's warranty.

And no, I don't work for Best Buy, I just shop around extensively and sometimes they are the best buy, sometimes they are not. In this case, it looks like they offer a killer deal.

Abby
09-05-2012, 07:04 PM
And no, I don't work for Best Buy, I just shop around extensively and sometimes they are the best buy, sometimes they are not. In this case, it looks like they offer a killer deal.[/QUOTE]


LOL! That honestly never even crossed my mind!

Woots
09-05-2012, 07:18 PM
If you buy the base model at Bestbuy you can get it for around 1250 bucks. It has 8 gigs of ram and 660m

you can buy 2x intel 520 120GB SSD's at newegg for 130 bucks each. (260 bucks for both)

You can buy 8 more gigs of ram for around 40-50 bucks (total of 16 gigs of ram)

If you install the drives and ram into the bottom yourself the
price will be $1560 since you budget is way higher you can splurge on even bigger intel SSD's

you could buy 2x 480GB intel 520 SSD's for 500 bucks a piece at newegg
(shop the web save 20-30 bucks on each maybe)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167087

That is 1000 bucks in SSD's but that seems like the heart of what you want this rig is an amazing SSD raid and atleast with this you can get 1TB of space nearly.

so that would come out to...

$2300 with almost 1TB worth of premium intel SSD's inside. you will not find a deal like this online from companies that build rigs for you. It's a known fact custom PC companies overprice their SSD's with a big mark up... so much so even for people that use them it's recommend they buy an SSD on their on and install it.

I should also note that since install drives and 8 gigs of ram are both done easily by just popping off the bottom panel you will not void the warranty.

While I am on this conversation here are some other SSD brands some with much better prices than intel and similar performance
(all large capacity, SATAIII SSD's)

here are the 480GB ones
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120 600038519 600038502&IsNodeId=1&name=480GB

here are the 512GB ones
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120 600038519 600038491&IsNodeId=1&name=512GB

PS: My honest opinion is get a large capacity drive and 1 high end SSD

Abby
09-05-2012, 07:40 PM
Hey Woot, thanks for all the info. The only thing is ...I've never touched the inside of a computer before and I would hate to screw it up, lol. I'll keep all that in mind though. This is such a major purchase for me and I'd like it to last as long as possible. The Asus that I have now has been a faithful friend for 4 years!

BornSupercharged
09-05-2012, 08:01 PM
If you buy the base model at Bestbuy you can get it for around 1250 bucks. It has 8 gigs of ram and 660m

you can buy 2x intel 520 120GB SSD's at newegg for 130 bucks each. (260 bucks for both)

You can buy 8 more gigs of ram for around 40-50 bucks (total of 16 gigs of ram)

If you install the drives and ram into the bottom yourself the
price will be $1560 since you budget is way higher you can splurge on even bigger intel SSD's

you could buy 2x 480GB intel 520 SSD's for 500 bucks a piece at newegg
(shop the web save 20-30 bucks on each maybe)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167087

That is 1000 bucks in SSD's but that seems like the heart of what you want this rig is an amazing SSD raid and atleast with this you can get 1TB of space nearly.

so that would come out to...

$2300 with almost 1TB worth of premium intel SSD's inside. you will not find a deal like this online from companies that build rigs for you. It's a known fact custom PC companies overprice their SSD's with a big mark up... so much so even for people that use them it's recommend they buy an SSD on their on and install it.

I should also note that since install drives and 8 gigs of ram are both done easily by just popping off the bottom panel you will not void the warranty.

While I am on this conversation here are some other SSD brands some with much better prices than intel and similar performance
(all large capacity, SATAIII SSD's)

here are the 480GB ones
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120 600038519 600038502&IsNodeId=1&name=480GB

here are the 512GB ones
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120 600038519 600038491&IsNodeId=1&name=512GB

PS: My honest opinion is get a large capacity drive and 1 high end SSD

$1560 for 240GB SSD (2x120GB) and 16GB RAM, with the 660M and regular DVD combo drive. Also factor in that he'll need to reinstall Windows 7 and all of the drivers. He is not a techie person so I would advise against it in this case unless he just wants to mess with stuff.
OR
$1880 for 256GB SSD+750GB HDD, 16GB RAM, 670M and "Blu-ray Disc-enabled DVD±RW/CD-RW drive
Features read and write support for next-generation Blu-ray Disc (BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE)."

For $320 more he gets a hassle-free experience with an extra 750GB space, a 20% better graphics card, and a Blu-ray / DVD burner. If he plans to watch movies the Blu-Ray drive is a must.

bignazpwns
09-05-2012, 08:22 PM
You will never see a difference in running 2 SATAIII SSD's in Raid when compared to the single SATAIII drive only time you will see a diff is in benchmarks.


As for SSD's my first choice and 90% of users pick Samsung 830's. Fast and the most reliable SSD on the market bottom line. If you wanna go cheaper you can pick up Kingston HyperX 3k's for dirt cheap i payed $75 per 120gb on sale. Same ic's as the intel 5120's "Intel ic's" . They also have the same SF-2281 controller as the intel 520's. I used the HyperX's and never had a problem buddy has been running a set in raid since launch and never had a problem.

You want the most 4k iops you can get. 4k iops will give you the best idea of real world power. Higher the better.

First pick
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147165

Cheap pick
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227820

I used the Vertex 4's and never had any issues. But i have had issues with Agility 3's and 4's they would BSOD at times.


To be honest the pc will last a while but Games like Crysis 3 and other will hit that GTX 660M pretty hard. It oc's like a champ and with a volt mod i got mine hanging with mildly oc'ed GTX 675m's but the GTX 680m is just so much more powerful its not even funny. Due to the fact the G75 has no gpu upgrades the laptop is really limited in terms of life if you ant to play the games maxed out. If you don't it will be fine for a good bit of time but if you do i would look at something that support's MMX cards and SLI as when the time comes you can always upgrade the cards "New GTX 680m's sell for about $600+ new i seen them as high as $1,000 each"


But just pick up the system. 8 more gigs of ram "Not value stuff get the good stuff its only $5-$10 more" pick up a 750gb Momentus XTand a SSD. Putting the stuff in is easy there's guides on the site to it "Just one screw holding the bottom cover on" and the upgrades are very easy. Also you can use the software you get free from segate to clone the stock hdd over to your new on and its very easy.

Abby
09-05-2012, 08:33 PM
WOW! LOL! I need a translator :) I'm trying to learn all this stuff, so I'll keep your post and go through it bit by bit. I'm allowing myself a max of 10 days to decide.

Abby
09-06-2012, 04:45 AM
Found this tonight on a site I stumbled on

Asus G75VW-TS1
powernotebooks.com
$1,848.00

17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) MATTE LED backlit LCD
nVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M 128bit w/2GB GDDR5
Intel® Core™ i7-3610QM (2.3~3.3GHz) w/6M L3 Cache - 4 Cores - 8 Threads
12GB (3x 4GB) DDR3/1600 Memory
256GB Samsung 830 Series SATA III Solid State Drive $249.00 (1st)
750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive (2nd)
Blu-Ray Reader/8x Super Multi Combo Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW CD-R/RW Drive
Windows 7 Premium - 64-Bit Pre-installed w/Recovery Partition + Drivers & Utilities CD
Built-in 802.11a/g/n WiFi Card + Bluetooth 3.0
Global Two Year Warranty + 1 Year ADP + 24/7 ASUS Support
Comes with a free ASUS gaming mouse and backback, LOL!