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qwertymodo
09-06-2012, 10:35 PM
Ok, so there are a couple things I don't really get about Instant On. First of all, when you enable Instant On, how are you supposed to put the computer into IO's special sleep mode? Does it replace Windows' Sleep Mode in the Start menu, or do you just shut the lid? Secondly, I have read that if the battery drops below a certain point, IO backs up the current state of the machine to the hard drive so you don't lose your data. Does this utilize Windows' built-in hibernation? I have disabled hibernation on my machine because space is a premium on my SSD (especially since I have a sizable Steam collection), so if I use Instant On with Windows hibernation disabled, will I lose everything if the battery dies? I've searched online, but all I've managed to find about IO sounds like marketing releases, and I've been unable to find technical explanations. Thanks.

colpolite
09-06-2012, 11:08 PM
I don't understand Instan on either. Is that some kind of a software where it speeds up the booting process? Or is that the crap where you press a button like express gate where you can browse over internet on a watered down browser or something?

Someone clear this up if InstantOn is necessary or if it's just a bloatware.

Bundy_Drop_Bear
09-06-2012, 11:54 PM
Instant On is a fast boot App as far as I know, it basically skips the normal boot POST and goes straight to windows/login screen.

GottiBoi55
09-06-2012, 11:59 PM
Hey guys, here's an explanation from the "Asus website".
I hope this will help you.


ASUS Instant On powered by SHE II Technology

Super Hybrid Engine II incorporates elements of its SHE predecessor and builds on the vitals of better battery performance. Instant on allows notebooks to resume in under 2 seconds* and stay in standby for up to 15 days* . Importantly, should battery levels fall below 5%, data is automatically saved and secured on the hard drive*.


*Resuming from hibernation on a mainstream notebook can typically take 30-60s.
*Normal standby time before battery drains on mainstream notebooks is 3-5 days
*Removing or draining the battery when a notebook is left in standby will lose the resume data and potentially a users work!

qwertymodo
09-07-2012, 12:52 AM
No, that's the same marketing description I've found all over the web that does not answer the specific questions I asked above. From what I understand, Instant On is not invoked during a normal cold boot, it is a low-power standby state which allows quick resume (which is not the same as quick boot, you aren't really booting). I understand the concept, I just had some specific questions about it, so if anybody can answer the questions I asked above, that would be great.

GottiBoi55
09-07-2012, 01:49 AM
No, that's the same marketing description I've found all over the web that does not answer the specific questions I asked above. From what I understand, Instant On is not invoked during a normal cold boot, it is a low-power standby state which allows quick resume (which is not the same as quick boot, you aren't really booting). I understand the concept, I just had some specific questions about it, so if anybody can answer the questions I asked above, that would be great.

yeah, you are right!
it's for quick resume, and not for fast boot.
the technology name is a little misleading IMHO!
people may think, "wow this PC must boot fast" well, sorry to inform you it won't
they should call it "instant Resume'.

I guess it's just another "gimmick" to sell more computers, like the failed "Express Gate".

Shawnnepc
09-07-2012, 02:21 AM
I sell ASUS laptops for a living and I still have no idea what purpose instant ON serves.

:D

_
09-07-2012, 03:15 AM
Instant on replaces Windows Sleep mode. Do you have the Windows gadget running? It'll tell you the anticipated life with it on compared to standard Sleep.

Sleep boots the system in 2-3 seconds, but doesn't backup your work, so in 2-3 days if your battery dies in sleep mode you lose unsaved data.
Hibernate saves your Windows session and your work, even if your battery dies, but it takes just as long to boot as a cold boot.

Instant on saves your Windows session and your work (like hibernate), but still boots the system in 2-3 seconds (like sleep). Plus it'll last anywhere up to 15+ days, depending on your battery capacity and its charge. Best of both worlds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qT6BIsz3E

If you sleep or hibernate your system - use this instead! (You paid for it + it's better!) If you never use sleep and always shut down, you can remove it :)

dstrakele
09-07-2012, 03:54 AM
That is a great video! If I ever want to make a commercial, I'm gonna hire that guy {the guy that created the storyboard for the video, that is)!

GottiBoi55
09-07-2012, 03:54 PM
Instant on replaces Windows Sleep mode. Do you have the Windows gadget running? It'll tell you the anticipated life with it on compared to standard Sleep.

Sleep boots the system in 2-3 seconds, but doesn't backup your work, so in 2-3 days if your battery dies in sleep mode you lose unsaved data.
Hibernate saves your Windows session and your work, even if your battery dies, but it takes just as long to boot as a cold boot.

Instant on saves your Windows session and your work (like hibernate), but still boots the system in 2-3 seconds (like sleep). Plus it'll last anywhere up to 15+ days, depending on your battery capacity and its charge. Best of both worlds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qT6BIsz3E

if you sleep or hibernate your system - use this instead! (You paid for it + it's better!) If you never use sleep and always shut down, you can remove it :)


I don't really know if it "replaces sleep mode", but rather enhances sleep and hibernation modes.
The idea I get from this SHE II technology is that it gives your laptop longer battery life in sleep and hibernation modes, and quicker resume times from both modes.
then there's the added plus of "backup of files" if battery power falls below 5%, something that Windows sleep mode can not do.
But who really leaves there laptop idol for up to "15 days" to really take advantage of Instant On?
I know not me lol.

colpolite
09-07-2012, 06:08 PM
Instant On is just makin everything complicated and confusing. We survived w/o it before so i'd rather just use the regular normal way of hibernating or sleeping and problem solved.

c_man
09-07-2012, 07:42 PM
Like I told you, Instant on is just a fancy name for Sleep (well, almost). But I guess I assumed too much since it looks like some people know very little about it (maybe they passed Vista completly, who knows) and most never got the Hybrid sleep active (that I call just Sleep since it's on the market for so long now, like 3rd OS long).

http://s11.postimage.org/3ui7o248j/Untitled.png

There is a small difference. When your system enters Hybrid sleep, it will also save data on the HDD. So it takes some time to "shut down" based on how much data needs to be written and HDD speed. Wake is very fast, Instant on fast.

I never had a problem with it, but I use Instant on now.

If I plan not to use the laptop for a long time, I shut it down or use hibernation if needed. While hybrid sleep is active in a profile, hibernation is not available (that is why I use Instant on, no more one click profile change to get hibernation).

I have never seen the safe feature of Instant on working, so I can't tell you much about that.

SgtPepper
09-07-2012, 08:19 PM
Great thread, I,ve often wondered what easy on does too. I turned off hibernation and gained 12 GB of data, will uninstalling easy on do the same??

qwertymodo
09-12-2012, 10:44 PM
Great thread, I,ve often wondered what easy on does too. I turned off hibernation and gained 12 GB of data, will uninstalling easy on do the same??

It shouldn't, unless IO creates its own hibernation file, which is one of the main things I'm still not clear on. The marketing-speak claims that if your battery runs out, it saves your data and shuts down to prevent losing your data (i.e. hibernates), but it is not clear if this is through Windows' built-in hibernation or if it has its own mechanism for hibernation. This is important to somebody who has disabled hibernation in order to free up a significant amount of space on my system SSD. With Windows hibernation disabled, can IO still save my data if the battery is depleted while in IO's uber sleep mode, or will it just die because I have disabled hibernation? Of course, this is a worst-case scenario, as I also would normally save and shut down manually if I were to know I was not going to use the computer for extended periods of time, but if I am uncertain about something important like whether or not I'm going to lose my data, it makes me hesitant to use the feature at all.

taavi
02-21-2013, 08:51 AM
Hi

Thanks for nice overview of this topic.

Question for me is that do I need that desktop application for Instant On functionality? I like this faster resume whatever it does, but this app is annoying and taking up screen real-estate.

Tomislav
02-21-2013, 02:27 PM
I like this app. Period. As Marshall said best of two worlds...as the great video said, "faster than an apple" :D

Dr4g0n36
02-21-2013, 02:37 PM
Useful post! ---> uninstalled :D

babyjosef17
03-13-2013, 02:02 AM
What I want to know is when in IO sleep mode, can I bag the laptop and freely move about?

I know for my work laptops (Lenovo, DELL) when in sleep mode I cannot place tem inside the bag because after an hour the inside will heat up like an oven.

danwat1234
03-21-2013, 06:58 AM
Can somebody please take their Asus laptop, have "Instant On" disabled. Then tell windows to put it to sleep. Then wake it up and time it. What's the time difference between going to sleep and waking up with instant on enabled and disabled? My guess is very little if any difference.

Since when has sleep mode taken a long time on any laptop? My old Pentium m HP laptop goes to sleep pretty quick (limited by hard drive IO/low RAM) and wakes up in about 5 seconds.
Heck, my G50VT laptop resumes from sleep in 2 seconds with windows 8 with no magical instant on software and takes 6 seconds to get to sleep.

EDIT So I have my new Asus u47a laptop and there is no difference in speed in waking up with instant on being enabled or disabled. It might take a few more seconds for it to sleep with instant on disabled but not sure.
So that means that with it enabled, it definitely isn't 'hybrid sleep'ing to have the speed of waking from sleep but data retention of hibernate. With is disabled it obviously isn't 'hybrid sleep'ing either.

The only real difference I saw was the estimated number of days of sleep time on battery power on the windows sidebar rose from 5 day to 8 to 9 days with it disabled/enabled. Who knows how it saves power.

USERmjc
03-07-2015, 09:01 PM
Bit of an old thread but here goes.

Like a lot of the post I am trying to work out the difference between Asus InstantOn and Windows 8.1 sleep and hybrid sleep (not enabled by default) on my laptop.

As far as I can tell InstantOn and hybrid sleep do the same sort of thing in different ways - save the computer state to memory and harddisk so you get a quick startup but if "something" happens then there is the harddisk save to do a normal hibernate startup from.

So far what I have come up with is

InstantOn in performance mode and hybrid sleep basically do the same thing - stays in sleep state till the power goes then switches to normal hibernate.

InstantOn in battery saving mode stays in sleep for 4 hours then does a normal hibernate.

So really whats the difference between InstantOn in performance mode and the normal windows hybrid sleep?

The post above this one says that the laptop was reporting slightly longer standby time with InstantOn performance mode so if I had to make a guess I would say that InstantOn is optimised more for the laptop hardware being that its a bit of Asus software running on an Asus machine. Where windows hybrid sleep is a more generic thing designed to work on any hardware.

Any thoughts?

USERmjc
03-11-2015, 09:40 AM
Update from Asus support

Asus InstantOn 3.0.6 (the latest version) will not function correctly in Windows 8.1 and no idea if it will be updated or not.
As far as the support guy could tell the only difference between InstantOn in performance mode and Windows Sleep is maybe the wakeup time if anything.