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noneone
09-15-2012, 12:35 AM
Hi all!

notebookcheck.com

clearly shows the 660m slower than the 670m (10 to 20%) and 30% slower than the 675m. Yes. I know the 660m uses less power, is cooler, newer platform, and can be overclocked a bunch, but, the 670M can be OC too. Of course, the 680M is tons faster than even the 675M, and is the card to get for the most power, but, alas, not for Asus G75.


I currently have alienware m17x Dual gtx 280m SLI. I'm considering G75VW with a 660M ($1200 USD, Best Buy) G75 with a 670M (Tigerdirect, $1500), or an MSI GT70 "maxed out" $2500 G680. I would rather get (probably get more longevity) a G75 for $1200 now, and then a G7x for $1200 next year, but, the 680M is tempting.


I need to get a better handle on how fast the 660M really is right now.


SO, it would help me if you all could post some FPS for games. I am MOST interested in WoW at 1080P at max settings, and for BF3, at max settings.

If I could get some real world 670M VS 660M gaming FPS benches that would help me out.

Thanks much for any help!

Zygomorphic
09-15-2012, 01:12 AM
1080P WOW - I would assume so, since Notebookcheck.net says maxed out for the 660M.

bignazpwns
09-15-2012, 01:32 AM
Ok i can help you with the wow part of this. Game can be played on a piece of paper however over the years we got some new eye candy with it and most recent was SSAO in patch 5.04.

Now i have a G75 and a i have bolth the GTX 660m and GTX 670m and i played around with both since the patch and here is what i seen. Bolth cards were overclocked and these are very common clocks. The GTX 670m can go a little higher the GTX 660m can go up about another 400mhz without any more volt mods.

When i did this i used the same drivers both were on fresh win 7 installs with fresh wow installs.

Res. 1920X1080
v sync . off
multisampling 8X
texture filtering 16x
protected textured, enabled
SSAO, high
All settings on Ultra
DX11

Game is totally maxed out. On average the GTX 660m was getting about 5-10fps higher. GTX 660m never went under 48fps and during raids typically 60+ "I tank i'm right in the middle of it all" However i did see that the 660m handled DX11 a little better then the 670m. But this is a given as the 670m is fermi and the 660m is kepler.

AOE the 670m bogged down a little faster then the 660m when there were heavy spell effects. Both cards never went under the 45fps mark ever even in 40man bg's but the 670m dose not seem to like heavy spell effects as much as the 660m.

Some of the fire and water effects look a tad cleaner on the 660m i did some side by side screen shots of the water and fire and the 660m looks better. You will never know from playing the game until you get 2 screen shots side by side but i will point that out but then again Fermi is a few years old now and Kepler is the latest so thats a given it will have slightly better picture quality.


To be honest with you the cards are pretty close in real world gaming performance when you start overclocking. Both can easily match the GTX 675m preformace i been seeing a few GTX 660m's run at 1,300mhz on the core no problem with no volt mods but its still to early to say if this is a common oc or some of the higher ones my 660m will run a little over 1400 on the core without a volt mod. Overclocking on kepler scales pretty good better then fermi.

Take those bench's with a grain of salt . 9 times out of 10 the results are way off of what you should be getting. Its good for a idea but don't take the numbers to serious. Bone stock clocks on the GTX 660m i found my self getting some higher numbers in games then what were listed and overclocked they are much higher. Also drivers can make or break some games. They don't run the same drivers for all their test on all the same systems so they can affect the fps pretty good i had some drivers that would get about 15fps less in wow then the ones i use now.

You will be happy with the 660m. Overclock it to 1100mhz and it really shows its teeth and in my G75 temps never went over 71c after a few hours of burn in. Its newer tech and future drivers should help get a slight performance boost out of it.

But as for wow. Given a equal battle field the GTX 660m is a better card. I ran both cards overclocked to the normal clocks everyone who has them runs at and the GTX 660m ran faster and handled heavy spell effects better. Also the new SSAO hit the GTX 670m harder then the 660m and that's the newest graphical update so i would just go with the GTX 660m.



1080P WOW - I would assume so, since Notebookcheck.net says maxed out for the 660M.

Nah those settings are all over the place. Settings are only upto high when ultra is the max and the results are not even close to what should be for 1920X1080.Also with the addition of SSAO in patch 5.04 those results are now invalid

Woofyhugger
09-15-2012, 02:09 AM
I have the 670M. Depending on raid size and what's going on, I happily get 60+fps in wow on ultra, 30+fps in BF3 on ultra multiplayer. I don't experience any "bog down in spell effects" the above guy says he experiences. I'm happy with my 192bit card. You're really not going to notice much difference between the two. And depending on what other crap you have on your machine, or running at the same time as gaming, your mileage will vary.

noneone
09-15-2012, 02:15 AM
1080P WOW - I would assume so, since Notebookcheck.net says maxed out for the 660M.

Sorta, notebookcheck DOES say maxed out and shows like .. 118 FPS .... almost 3 times what bignazpwns shows ... .... near as I can tell, notebookcheck's wow fps are at a much lower resolution, 1200 x 700 or something like that. SO, I was wondering what fps might be at full HD resolution.

Thanks big!

iMario999
09-15-2012, 02:41 AM
Well I don't know about the games you asked, but I played Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2 at MAX graphics settings on 900p (My screen is not 1080p) with the 660M and it's running smoothly!

bignazpwns
09-15-2012, 05:01 AM
Sorta, notebookcheck DOES say maxed out and shows like .. 118 FPS .... almost 3 times what bignazpwns shows ... .... near as I can tell, notebookcheck's wow fps are at a much lower resolution, 1200 x 700 or something like that. SO, I was wondering what fps might be at full HD resolution.

Thanks big!

NP. They also only list it as high. Not Ultra so that mans either they just put some random numbers in a template or some how traveled back in time to run wow since ultra has been around for a long time. Also most people don't know that with 5.04 they did some graphic updates in terms of settings. They also don't tell you if they were sitting in a corner or looking at the ground. My results are what you get sitting in org on a high pop server during peek hours or in the middle of a 24m or 40m bg in all the aoe they stuff you care about.

Thaladred
09-15-2012, 05:27 AM
I'll add in my input, I have been playing Witcher 2 on high-ultra settings, GW2 on Ultra settings and have been getting very consistent high fps on them no problem and my temperature has never went above 70 on the 660m, even overclocked. Very decent card.

Hi2uHorde
09-15-2012, 02:28 PM
Which of the two cards would you suggest to someone who is going to be buying the G75VW? I have talked to a few people and been told that the 670M can be overclocked to either match the 675M or even out perform the stock settings on the 675M. Please let me know which would be the smarter choice. The 660M would definitely save me some money but I plan to keep this laptop for awhile and I would like to continue to have the best performance possible with all games.

noneone
09-15-2012, 02:46 PM
NP. They also only list it as high. Not Ultra so that mans either they just put some random numbers in a template or some how traveled back in time to run wow since ultra has been around for a long time. Also most people don't know that with 5.04 they did some graphic updates in terms of settings. They also don't tell you if they were sitting in a corner or looking at the ground. My results are what you get sitting in org on a high pop server during peek hours or in the middle of a 24m or 40m bg in all the aoe they stuff you care about.

My guess big is they keep the lower res and settings so that folks can compare to tests they ran 3 years ago.

noneone
09-15-2012, 02:48 PM
Hi hi2u.

They are both good cards. Go check out some of the OC threads on these cards. I'm trying to get some specifics on the two games I play the most, BF3 and wow, I've do some skyrim, crysis and others, but right now, mostly bf3 and wow. There's lots of 3dmark and benchmarks out there, I was just trying to get specifics for what I do.

What exact games are you using Hi2u, maybe someone here could post a bench for those too.

Hi2uHorde
09-15-2012, 04:59 PM
I mostly play WoW but I also play the following games:

Starcraft 2
Diablo 3
BF3
Crysis 2
The Secret World

I know that notebookcheck gives specs on both cards but those dont include overclocked specs. It sounds like the 660M can be overclocked more and i want to play all of the above games on ultra or high with great results.

AlanMcKinnon
09-15-2012, 05:48 PM
I'm gonna throw a couple of inquiries in here as well.

On a 670m, with NCP Ambient Occlusion on and Texture quality set to High Quality, at 1920x1080 with V-Sync/Triple Buffering on,and all in-game settings at ultra, what FPS should I be pulling on games like CoD2, Bioshock, DA: Origins, and Mass Effect 1?

noneone
09-15-2012, 09:31 PM
I'm gonna throw a couple of inquiries in here as well.

On a 670m, with NCP Ambient Occlusion on and Texture quality set to High Quality, at 1920x1080 with V-Sync/Triple Buffering on,and all in-game settings at ultra, what FPS should I be pulling on games like CoD2, Bioshock, DA: Origins, and Mass Effect 1?

Hi!

Do you have a G75VW yet? If so, could you post YOUR numbers for the games you asked about? Perhaps others will share as well.

Thanks!

AlanMcKinnon
09-15-2012, 09:45 PM
I do own a G75, but my numbers are not as they should be, if my understanding is correct.

I max out at about 40fps on ME, drop between 40-50 during any action on CoD2, max out at 30fps on Dragon Age, and fluctuate wildly between 30 and 60fps on Bioshock.

Based on what I've read, I should be pushing at least 60fps on all of those games with no issues whatsoever.

ForCeV
09-16-2012, 08:16 AM
I don't know why people think about overclock, and low voltage.... Simply, overclocking for laptop isn't good idea Plus 128bit vs 192 bit differences is depends on a resolution... When you want to play full HD go 670m even this is old generations fermi.... It's way faster anyway....Don't look over the overclocking even Asus G series has good cooling system...We don't know when u r GP card has gone(like problem) while you r playing games with overclock....Don;'t you afraid if gp card has problem?? It would be able to avoid warranty... You should pay for fixing also.. improvements through overclocking in your gaming experience will be just about 4~8FPS....However, if you want to save money too. go 660m.. and if you feel slow.. then overclocking with 660m. I just want to tell you one thing that you don't think about performance gpu only.. think about warranty either.... That's the one I would say it...

noneone
09-16-2012, 03:35 PM
I don't know why people think about overclock, and low voltage.... Simply, overclocking for laptop isn't good idea Plus 128bit vs 192 bit differences is depends on a resolution... When you want to play full HD go 670m even this is old generations fermi.... It's way faster anyway....Don't look over the overclocking even Asus G series has good cooling system...We don't know when u r GP card has gone(like problem) while you r playing games with overclock....Don;'t you afraid if gp card has problem?? It would be able to avoid warranty... You should pay for fixing also.. improvements through overclocking in your gaming experience will be just about 4~8FPS....However, if you want to save money too. go 660m.. and if you feel slow.. then overclocking with 660m. I just want to tell you one thing that you don't think about performance gpu only.. think about warranty either.... That's the one I would say it...

Hi thanks for your thoughts and claims. Do you have any benchmarks to share? You say an overclocked 660M only gets 4 to 8 more fps. This thread isn't really about overclocking, we're asking for people with real systems and real games to share their numbers, but would be great if you could share YOUR system both overclocked and not overclocked so we could see that difference. ON THESE GAMES.

The problem is the standard sites (e.g. notebookcheck) often do NOT have the games at the resolutions people are interested in, and / or they have only benchmarked one or two machines.

I am hoping, given there are a bunch of folks here that DO play games, and DO have either the 660m or the 670m, that I'll be able to see some actual FPS for the games I am interested in. It would also be nice of some folks who have overclocked their systems post some benchmarks, but, not part of my origional request. Different games will respond to clock speeds, archetecture / cuda cores differently.

You can see this even on notebook check. The performance difference between the 670m and the 660m varries a bunch depending on what games you are looking at, or if you're using 3dmark, etc.. That is why I was hoping to get some specific examples here.

Thanks!

ForCeV
09-16-2012, 06:14 PM
Do you need a screen shot to compare it?? here is the result.. 1176711768


27FPS is the 770 1650 overclock. 23 fps is the default clock. The temperture is 3"C differences.

bignazpwns
09-16-2012, 11:47 PM
Vs stock a oc on the GTX 660m in wow gained about 25-30fps
As for the memory interface your right it does help at higher res's...2560x1600 and up 1920X1080 is considered mid. At those higher resolutions is where the bigger interfaces shine. Now at the res's games will bring the GTX 670,675 to its knee's heck even some at those res's make it so i gotta lower the settings on my GTX 680m


Another thing to note is what kind of core is used. Kepler handles games better then fermi thats a fact. You base it on interface well my old school 6800 ultra has a 256bit but at 2560x1600 it would take a hit like a truck.


with that 1650mhz overclock my GTX 660m at 1300 is pulling more frames by quite a few. Now i dont know what the 770 means maybe its a 670m type-o but if thats the case your saying you got almost a more then 1052mhz overclock on the vore and only a 3c load increase? The voltage alone needed to pull that would push the card well above 3c with ease. If it was a 660m then thats a 815mhz on the core. These cards max from 1200-1400 without a vmod. At thase case 300mhz higher then my oc you claim 3c higher temps vs mine that was 3c higher despite a extra 350mhz

Zygomorphic
09-17-2012, 01:19 AM
256-bit sure, but what clock speeds?

3 C higher, maybe true. If the cooling is good and the chip is one of the best from the foundry, then it is possible.

noneone
09-17-2012, 03:44 AM
Do you need a screen shot to compare it?? here is the result..


27FPS is the 770 1650 overclock. 23 fps is the default clock. The temperture is 3"C differences.

Thanks! That's a 20% overclock, i.e. a LOT faster. Most folks consider 30 FPS as the break even for playable, while niether one is 30, the OC at 27 almost makes it, while the 23 isn't close. 20%, going from 100FPS to 120FPS, isn't a big deal at all, while 20% around 30 FPS is pretty big improvement.

That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for ... almost. What settings did you have on, and what resolution?

IF that's a 670M, at 1080P, at max settings for BF3, that screen shot then shows this card does NOT have enough horsepower for max settings.

NOTE, notebook check had the G75VW with 670M only able to do 20 FPS in BF3 on ultra settings, so, you're getting much higher than that.

See how specific benchmarks can help me out?

Thanks again!

Hi2uHorde
09-17-2012, 06:39 PM
Which GPU would people suggest for gaming? I know one runs hotter than the other but I want the one that will give me the best benchmarks either overclocked or not. I don't mind overclocking because it will always be on a NotePal X3 and the venting on the laptop itself is really good from what I've read so temperature shouldn't be an issue and if it doesn't become too hot I can always take it down a notch.

ForCeV
09-18-2012, 03:10 AM
Yes it is 670m card. I always run a max resolution 1920x1080p and I have a 120hz screen with capable 3D. Anyway, the FPS is definitely flexible. so 20FPS that you see on benchmark isn't much differences. Actually, if you want to stay over 30fps. I better recommend you another laptop which has 7970m gpu card or 680m gpu unless you should adjust graphic option in the game.


PS> When I consider buy a laptop on June, I was thinking 7970m either because it is the 40%over faster than currently. However, I checked 7970m card enbled laptop was alienware at the offline store like microcenter. It was even warmer than ASUS g75. I really don't like to feel any warm or hot by surface on keyboard. Especially WASD key cap side. Inside the store was cool enough, and Asus was very cool but alienware doesn't. Therefore, I chose a Asus instead of Alienware.. ( Sometimes I feel very desiderium less powerful gpu card on Asus G75). However, I really like cool keyboard rather than hot keyboard.

noneone
09-19-2012, 04:18 AM
I have an alienware m17x R1. It has a known overheating / over volting problem Dell ignores / tries to not fix. Alienware does have some of the top end componets, but, they have a very long track record of not working stuff / downgrading stuff if it doesn't work. They "fixed" some of the R1 issues in bios but underclocking / slowing down the video cards to use less power. The recent R3 actually LOST sata 3 in one of the bioses, etc.

So, I'm hoping to NOT look at the alienware. I like the Asus build and design quality, I just wish they had a 680M. I have to buy a computer this week (game expansion next week :) ) and I'm trying to decide between the Asus 660M/ 670M VS an MSI with a 680M. That's why I'm looking for real world game benchmarks from folks that already have the Asus, so I can see if it will be fast enough for me.

Thanks forcev for your numbers and specs!

bignazpwns
09-19-2012, 06:17 AM
Yes it is 670m card. I always run a max resolution 1920x1080p and I have a 120hz screen with capable 3D. Anyway, the FPS is definitely flexible. so 20FPS that you see on benchmark isn't much differences. Actually, if you want to stay over 30fps. I better recommend you another laptop which has 7970m gpu card or 680m gpu unless you should adjust graphic option in the game.

PS> When I consider buy a laptop on June, I was thinking 7970m either because it is the 40%over faster than currently. However, I checked 7970m card enbled laptop was alienware at the offline store like microcenter. It was even warmer than ASUS g75. I really don't like to feel any warm or hot by surface on keyboard. Especially WASD key cap side. Inside the store was cool enough, and Asus was very cool but alienware doesn't. Therefore, I chose a Asus instead of Alienware.. ( Sometimes I feel very desiderium less powerful gpu card on Asus G75). However, I really like cool keyboard rather than hot keyboard.

Well that makes you the worlds fastest GTX 670m since the current world record holder is at 850mhz and your calming almost 2X the overclock..750mhz more. Heck its higher then most desktop GTX 670's and those are kepler and your card is fermi. So you should be getting about 6.5k at those clocks in 3dmark 11.


7970M is crap as of right game. Endro bug ftw?


Your notepad x3 is useless on a G75. Air intakes are not even close to the fan's intakes. You seem concerned about heat and i will tell you that overclicking fermi's they heat up pretty fast and they do consume more power. Sucking more power is harder on the power circuity and battery. If you are going to overclock go with the GTX 660m. It runs cooelr, uses less power, overclocks way higher, has a hardware-based H.264 video encoder unlike the fermi's thats handled by the cuda cores, polymorph engines were redone to be 2X faster then fermi. It makes no seance in buying a GTX 670m now unless it was cheaper then the GTX 660m. I mean if the card ran cooler and overclocked higher then we would be talking. If it was faster then what i t was then we could talk but. But Kepler was made to be better give it some mhz and watch it show its teeth.

ForCeV
09-19-2012, 07:46 AM
Well, I m not blaming GTX660m as you post it. Plz concern about main question. I m not a overclocker and also I know 660m has less heat less consumption. Of course, why not get an 660m if 660m can overtake 670m. The question of noneone was that which of those 660m vs 670m have better performance in the games. I want to ask you a question. SO if 660m overclocking is strong enough, then can 660m overtake 670m?? It isn't definitely even if it is kepler chip with new 28nm technology.

And also, I didn't compare with cooling 660m vs 670m. I compared different brand which was alienware.
If Asus has 7970m with good cooling system, everybody will definitely get this one. and I checked alienware in offline store. It was warmer when I touched which asus doesn't even in cooling building. That means alienware was quite worse cooling system than Asus. My point is if alienware can control cooler keyboard surface, I would choose alienware. Therefore, my choice was only two option in asus which has 660m and 670m. The most, I just checked powerful performance no matter what. So I decide 670m. Another reason, overclocking gp card is void warranty. I m not overclocker, I just tested FPS in games through noneone's request.


Well that makes you the worlds fastest GTX 670m since the current world record holder is at 850mhz and your calming almost 2X the overclock..750mhz more. Heck its higher then most desktop GTX 670's and those are kepler and your card is fermi. So you should be getting about 6.5k at those clocks in 3dmark 11.


7970M is crap as of right game. Endro bug ftw?


Your notepad x3 is useless on a G75. Air intakes are not even close to the fan's intakes. You seem concerned about heat and i will tell you that overclicking fermi's they heat up pretty fast and they do consume more power. Sucking more power is harder on the power circuity and battery. If you are going to overclock go with the GTX 660m. It runs cooelr, uses less power, overclocks way higher, has a hardware-based H.264 video encoder unlike the fermi's thats handled by the cuda cores, polymorph engines were redone to be 2X faster then fermi. It makes no seance in buying a GTX 670m now unless it was cheaper then the GTX 660m. I mean if the card ran cooler and overclocked higher then we would be talking. If it was faster then what i t was then we could talk but. But Kepler was made to be better give it some mhz and watch it show its teeth.

Zygomorphic
09-19-2012, 09:34 AM
Well that makes you the worlds fastest GTX 670m since the current world record holder is at 850mhz and your calming almost 2X the overclock..750mhz more. Heck its higher then most desktop GTX 670's and those are kepler and your card is fermi. So you should be getting about 6.5k at those clocks in 3dmark 11.


7970M is crap as of right game. Endro bug ftw?


Your notepad x3 is useless on a G75. Air intakes are not even close to the fan's intakes. You seem concerned about heat and i will tell you that overclicking fermi's they heat up pretty fast and they do consume more power. Sucking more power is harder on the power circuity and battery. If you are going to overclock go with the GTX 660m. It runs cooelr, uses less power, overclocks way higher, has a hardware-based H.264 video encoder unlike the fermi's thats handled by the cuda cores, polymorph engines were redone to be 2X faster then fermi. It makes no seance in buying a GTX 670m now unless it was cheaper then the GTX 660m. I mean if the card ran cooler and overclocked higher then we would be talking. If it was faster then what i t was then we could talk but. But Kepler was made to be better give it some mhz and watch it show its teeth.

Is he posting core or shader? There is usually a 1:2 ratio.

660m with heavy OC can overtake a stock 670M, which in turn can be OC'ed...though not as hard. If you want the performance, get the 670M. It still runs cool in the G75VW.