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dkillone
05-13-2011, 05:09 PM
EDIT: This affects ALL G Series owners that have a sandybridge cpu(G73SW/G74SX/G53SW/G53SX), there is NO exceptions until Asus releases an update, not all games will cause cpu throttling, but so far I am comfirming more and more games that induce it.

EDIT 2: There is also a more permanent fix now as well, but its Unofficial and requires you to flash your bios. CLICK HERE (http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/631869-unofficial-bios-fix-throttling-g73sw.html) to find out more,

I initially noticed this when I first got my G73SW-XA1 back in mid march, 2011. but didn't think anything of it until a poster had brought this up as some HP owners noticed that their Envy 17 SB is doing this to them. Edit: Which HP fixed their throttling problem on May 29th, 2011.

Problem is when running Prime95 the CPU stays turbo boosted at 2.3 to 2.6ghz. However, once Furmark is started at the same time, the CPU drops instantly to 798mhz. This now also can be noticed in GTA4,SC2,L4D2,WoW and anything that will put high loads on CPU + GPU at the same time. It does NOT just happen during synthetic test.


The FIX

So how to fix it? Well so far it seems running ThrottleStop in monitor only mode stops any, and all throttling. You do not have to mess with any settings, simply extract and run the exe for it to work. If you would like to have it run on bootup, simply create a shortcut, and drop it into your start-up folder. To have it auto-close, go into the ThrottleStop.ini and change "DCExitTime=0" to any number you like(basically just means number of seconds before it closes, I have mine set to 5.)

Throttlestop 4.00:
http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/?did=9


or for more detailed information about TS:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/531329-throttlestop-guide.html


There is no known downsides to using throttlestop, your CPU will still down-clock properly when not in use, and it does not run hotter, nor have I found any conflicts with battery draining faster.

Also, you do NOT have to worry about any overheating, even with throttling disabled I see no higher than a peak 81c on my CPU/GPU in a ambient room temp of 84-86f. So you really don't need to worry about that. However, the PSU does get hotter when throttling is disabled when there is significant load on CPU + GPU. So just watch for that, though it should be ok for the most part.

More Permanent Fix
This fix is 100% unofficial, and will require you to flash the BIOS. Which can be done with EasyFlash from within the BIOS menu. This is still done at your OWN RISK, so I am NOT responsible for any laptops not working after flashing.(However as a side note, flashing the bios is a fairly safe thing to do, especially when using the built in flasher Asus already provides.)
*Warning, this also might put more strain on your battery when running on battery only, But I've yet so see any difference during my test. Just beware of the possibility, I am in no way responsible for any damages done.


What this fix does is disable Bi Directional PROCHOT within the bios, so there will be no need to run Throttlestop on bootup anymore. I've been using this bios for quite some time, and I have had no problems, so the risk should be minimal. Also, as a bonus, this bios also enables AES(Learn More (http://forum.notebookreview.com/windows-os-software/582628-aes-ni-support-truecrypt-sandy-bridge-problem.html)) that Asus so kindly forgot to implement into our original bios. The download link is below and the instructions for flashing will be below that.

Download: G53SW_AES_Throttle-Fix.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4730702/gseries/G53SW_AES_Throttle-Fix.zip)
Download: G73SW_AES_Throttle-Fix.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4730702/gseries/G73SW_AES_Throttle-Fix.zip)
Download: G74SX_AES_Throttle-Fix.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4730702/gseries/G74SX_AES_Throttle-Fix.zip) (thanks to AbbyY)


Instructions:

Step 1: Download the file above, extract the 2 files onto a flash drive. Leave the flash drive plugged in.

Step 2: Reboot the computer, and press and hold F2 to get into the bios. Go to Advanced tab, then Start EASY FLASH.

Step 3: You should see the 2 extracted files once into easy flash. Using arrow keys, choose the one with _TFIX(_ORIG is for if you want to go back to default bios). Then hit enter and Yes to update. Let it do its thing, (it will shutdown, but just turn it back on after it shuts down).

Step 4: Once your back into windows, to test for success, download this MSR Tool (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4730702/gseries/MSR%20Tool.zip) and type in 0x1fc in the MSR Number box, then click Read MSR. Under the EAX box, you should see "0x0004005E", E being the key here that BD-PROCHOT is disabled(it will be F, it PROHOT is still enabled).

Step 5(optional): You can also test by running Prime95 (http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=205) + Furmark (http://www.geeks3d.com/20110224/furmark-1-9-0-gpu-stress-test-burner-opengl-benchmark/) at the same time. Using RealTemp 3.67 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4730702/gseries/RealTempBeta_v367.zip) to monitor cpu clocks. It should never fall below 1995mhz essentially, but for me, lowest I see it go is 22xxmhz.

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Testing

If anyone else would like to test for themselves the programs to use for logging, stressing, etc are:

RealTemp 3.67(mainly to log to a txt file, but also it reads accurately the multi/cpu clocks of the CPU. Can be used for temperatures as well.)
http://majorgeeks.com/Real_Temp_d6098.html

PRIME95(good to get CPU to 100% load, but also checks for memory etc, very good for testing the computer stability)
http://majorgeeks.com/Prime95_d4363.html

Furmark 1.9.0(puts the graphic card at 99-100% load, again, just another good program to check for stability, of course, also just the programs I used to show consistent throttling.)
http://majorgeeks.com/FurMark_d4183.html


Also, if anyone gets some very interesting results, feel free to post in this thread, hopefully this will all lead to an official fix from Asus. We may have a temp fix for now, but always nice to hear official word and for an official update solving this problem. Thanks for reading!


Thread I created on NotebookReview Forums about it.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/576468-g73sw-cpu-throttling-prime95-furmark.html

Thread of this happening to HP Envy 17 owners.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/575817-hp-envy-17-sb-throttling-test.html

Confirmed Games that are affected by Throttling(click on the game to see throttling log of that game)

Grand Theft Auto 4 (http://paste2.org/p/1486158)
GRID (http://paste2.org/p/1480994)
StarCraft 2
World of Warcraft
Left 4 Dead 2 (http://paste2.org/p/1486134)
Team Fortress 2 (http://forum.notebookreview.com/8093647-post57.html)
Just Cause 2
Skyrim (in 3D mode)
Sonic Generations

Video of throttling in GTA IV

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0JdRUHHn0UM?version=3&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="349" width="425">


NOTES I've gathered so far:

This is not a temperature problem, temps are perfectly well in range during test. However, Intel could be throttling for laptops that possibly would have high temperatures with both running.
This is not strictly from caused by nvidia as the HP Envy uses an ATI GPU, so this is either motherboard or strictly the CPU.
Using a higher watt PSU has no affect on throttling.
This could be a power draw issue, or a premature temperature throttling.
Using Throttlestop 3.00 stops the throttle, doesnt have to stay on, just be run once on boot.
HP released a BIOS update fixing the throttling problem for Envy 16 gen2 owners on May 29th, 2011.
Using realtemp 3.67 to log cpu during games has proven that throttling is happening outside of artificial test.
GTA4 is the most affected by throttling, frames are around 10-25, but instantly jump to 30+, once throttlestop is opened.
All G53/73SW models are affected by this throttling problem until Asus releases an update to fix it, most likely it will be a new bios.
Ken Lee from GenTechPC has been great help, no one at Asus was really responding to me. I asked if Ken could talk to them, and now he is working with Asus to produce a fix. :>
This problem still persist on the new G74/53SX series
As of 11-22-11, still no sign that Asus cares to release a bios update fixing this issue(not even for their new G series). So I don't see the point in hoping they will fix it anymore.

xeromist
05-13-2011, 07:49 PM
Very well presented. Thank you for putting all of the work into this.

unclewebb
05-14-2011, 05:01 AM
Thanks dkillone for finding a new use for ThrottleStop. I thought laptop manufacturers had solved all the throttling issues but I guess I was wrong.

dkillone did some testing for me but without some hardware to play with, I wasn't able to figure out what the issue is or why ThrottleStop solves this problem. Hopefully some more users can give this a try if they have also noticed this throttling issue.

Here's a direct link to the download page at Tech | Inferno.
http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/?did=1

ThrottleStop 3.00 fully supports Sandy Bridge but I'm still learning. More feedback is always appreciated. Thanks.

dkillone
05-14-2011, 05:51 AM
@xeromist
Thanks for the compliment, I really just enjoy helping out in any way I can, and its fun to problem solve, even if I don't have the brains to write super awesome programs like unclewebb :P.


@unclewebb
Thanks for posting, really wish I can help more, but I understand that it's tough to figure out what its doing without having the hardware yourself.

I will continue to run test and gather logs in hopes to keep providing more accurate info. And as always, I appreciate all the help you've been providing in the NBR thread.



EDIT: K, I ran Cinebench 11.5 while running Furmark, before and after TS.

Before TS, CB + Furmark


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05/14/11 01:48:31 798.20 48 51 42 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:32 798.20 49 51 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:33 798.20 48 52 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:34 848.09 48 52 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:35 798.20 48 51 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:36 798.20 49 50 42 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:37 798.20 48 50 43 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:38 1297.08 50 53 44 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:39 798.20 49 52 43 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:40 798.20 50 51 43 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:41 798.20 50 51 43 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:42 1047.64 50 51 44 43 99.9
05/14/11 01:48:43 798.20 50 50 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:44 798.20 48 51 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:45 798.20 49 51 44 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:46 897.98 50 52 44 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:47 798.20 50 51 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:48 798.20 50 50 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:49 798.20 50 50 42 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:50 1047.64 50 51 43 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:51 798.20 49 51 43 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:52 798.20 50 50 44 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:53 798.20 50 51 43 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:54 947.87 50 50 44 44 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:55 798.20 50 50 42 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:56 798.20 49 51 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:57 798.20 50 51 43 43 100.0
05/14/11 01:48:58 897.98 49 50 41 42 46.9
05/14/11 01:48:59 798.20 48 50 41 43 26.4
05/14/11 01:49:00 798.20 48 50 41 42 26.3
05/14/11 01:49:01 897.98 55 55 41 43 26.1
05/14/11 01:49:02 2753.80 59 59 45 44 25.6
05/14/11 01:49:03 2773.76 60 59 45 45 25.4
05/14/11 01:49:04 2773.76 60 59 45 45 25.3
05/14/11 01:49:05 2773.76 60 60 46 44 25.4
05/14/11 01:49:06 2773.76 60 60 46 45 25.3
05/14/11 01:49:07 2773.75 60 60 47 45 25.4
05/14/11 01:49:08 2763.78 61 60 46 45 25.4
05/14/11 01:49:09 2763.78 61 60 46 46 25.4
05/14/11 01:49:10 2773.76 60 60 47 46 25.3
05/14/11 01:49:11 2723.87 62 60 47 46 25.5
05/14/11 01:49:12 2773.76 62 61 48 46 25.4
05/14/11 01:49:13 2773.76 62 61 47 46 25.4
05/14/11 01:49:14 2763.78 62 62 48 47 25.3
05/14/11 01:49:15 2743.82 62 61 47 47 25.6


After TS, CB + Furmark


DATE TIME MHz C0 C1 C2 C3 LOAD%
05/14/11 01:04:10 2644.09 63 58 55 54 26.8
05/14/11 01:04:15 2624.14 63 60 55 52 26.7
05/14/11 01:04:20 2594.20 69 69 63 62 97.2
05/14/11 01:04:25 2594.20 71 72 66 65 100.0
05/14/11 01:04:30 2594.20 73 74 67 68 100.0
05/14/11 01:04:35 2594.20 75 75 70 70 100.0
05/14/11 01:04:40 2594.20 76 76 70 70 100.0
05/14/11 01:04:45 2594.20 76 76 71 71 100.0
05/14/11 01:04:50 2594.20 76 77 71 71 100.0
05/14/11 01:04:55 2594.20 77 76 72 70 100.0
05/14/11 01:05:00 2594.20 77 77 72 72 100.0
05/14/11 01:05:05 2594.20 77 77 71 72 100.0
05/14/11 01:05:10 2594.20 79 77 71 71 100.0
05/14/11 01:05:15 2594.20 78 78 70 72 100.0
05/14/11 01:05:20 2594.20 78 78 72 72 100.0
05/14/11 01:05:25 2494.43 77 77 71 71 100.0
05/14/11 01:05:30 2484.44 75 75 70 71 100.0
05/14/11 01:05:35 2474.47 75 76 69 71 99.9
05/14/11 01:05:40 2474.47 75 76 70 70 99.9
05/14/11 01:05:45 2474.47 75 76 70 70 99.9
05/14/11 01:05:50 2474.47 75 75 69 70 99.9
05/14/11 01:05:55 2634.11 70 65 63 60 26.8
05/14/11 01:06:00 2624.13 62 63 61 58 14.7



I had ran the After TS with 5sec intervals, but then realized I could prob see the drops better if I put it at 1second intervals, so after rebooting, I changed it to that for the Before TS test, and I think I will keep it like that for the rest of the time I do logs. Scores I get are 1.61 before, and 4.93 after just in case anyone is wondering. When there is no GPU load, whether TS is ran or not, I get 4.92-95, so scores really don't differ until GPU load is introduced.

dkillone
05-21-2011, 03:05 PM
Has anyone found anymore programs that cause throttling?

jorlanm
05-21-2011, 03:21 PM
the other post on some website says its the power supply that contributes to that trothling...

dkillone
05-21-2011, 08:24 PM
Yes that very well could be part of the problem, but its already been proven that using a higher watt psu such as the 180w one, does not stop the throttling. I actually just got my 180w earlier this week and it definitely throttles no matter what unless I use throttlestop.

Now we just have to keep hoping that Asus finds the exact problem, and puts out a solution for us, since it seems not many care now, but this will only get worse as more demanding applications are found to cause throttling.

dkillone
07-11-2011, 04:02 AM
*Update*

Ok, I've been working with Ken Lee from GenTechPC, who in turn, is working with Asus on the problem. They aren't being very cooperative, but at least it is still moving forwards as far as the talks go. I did a video showing how bad the throttling is in a real world scenario, such as GTA 4.


<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0JdRUHHn0UM?version=3&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="349">

zviratko
07-11-2011, 07:37 AM
Hmm, I must have tuned something already, because in my case it does not make a large difference - have you tried disabling core parking? I guess your power profile in win7 is b0rked...

P.S. no large difference = i'm not sure what the original Watt limits were, now I have 45/60 and all cores reach 26xmultiplier under load. If set lower, then it gets slower proportionaly. I think I saw lower scores the last time I played with it, with only 25x multiplier (makes about 4% difference = no real impact)

BoxKiD
07-20-2011, 03:33 PM
sounds a little bit similar to my issue buy my games run fine with ac plugged in
but on battery is a complete diffrent story

are asus even working on a fix? because they seem to just be putting out newer models..

Chastity@ASUS
07-20-2011, 10:13 PM
I know I spammed Gary about this issue a few times.

@dkillone: if you would, can you PM me whom you spoken with at Asus about this, and was this with the RMA people, or with Asus Customer Care? And also summarize your progress with Ken. Maybe I can help getting this into the right hands.

dkillone
07-22-2011, 02:09 AM
Thanks a bunch Chastity, would be nice to see a fix rather soon, PM sent.

heathhamm
10-03-2011, 04:17 PM
Hello, working with a G74sx and I am seeing the pausing on it, I am going to install ThrottleStop to see if this will resolve the issue. So far a good laptop, just two issues: the pausing and the fingerpad will re-enable itself time after time.

JRd1st
10-03-2011, 04:29 PM
Try updating the Atheros WiFi driver if you haven't already.

Also, updating the Sentelic Touchpad driver fixed the reenabling issue for me, too.

andytaro
11-11-2011, 04:17 AM
Does Throttlestop have to be running in order to have the same effect, or can I close the program afterwards?

Also, what would you reccommend for setting multipliers, or should we just leave it (i7-3630)?

dkillone
11-11-2011, 06:22 AM
Nope, you can close it and the throttling will still be stopped until you reboot. As for the rest, I can't say I play with the other settings. So if you want to mess around you can, but you don't need to/I wouldn't think there would be any performance gain since the CPU turbo boosts on its own when needed(meaning the multipliers go up and down depending on stress/temps/need, etc).

bizN
11-14-2011, 09:04 PM
Just wondering, I dont have an FPS monitor (playing skyrim) but when I run skyrim and open TS I do notice my throttling is at is 9.0 multiplier. When running TS, even though it's displaying that low of a multiplier, is it fixing the throttling or should I see a multiplier of 24-25 up? If I woulda known before purchasing this laptop that it would do this, I would've gladly bought an overpriced Alienware =\

dkillone
11-22-2011, 11:38 PM
The cpu clock changes pretty quick, and changes depending on CPU load. So the best way to know if CPU is throttling is by having it log to a text file while your playing, then going back and checking load vs the multiplier it is running at. So I'd start there to be 100% sure, but to be honest. It should be fine, after TS runs, I've yet to hear from anyone saying it doesn't stop their throttling. Of course, it is still possible to have heat related throttling, but that would be a whole other issue.

And indeed, I agree with you, I bought this long before it was even known, so no way of predicting such a problem and that Asus doesn't even care enough about their customers to fix it. I was surprised to see HP fixed it in less than a month, and their laptops aren't even supposed to be dedicated gaming laptops like ours. So yeah, I understand your frustration a little. I am happy at least that it can be solved, and that it isn't very difficult, just annoying to have to run a 3rd party program, or even a program at all to make the CPU run like it should.

JRd1st
11-23-2011, 02:54 AM
You need to tell people how to set this up if you want meaningful reports. Not everyone will pick up the same info from that article you linked. List the settings. And explain them. There's just the 2, right?

dkillone
11-23-2011, 03:11 AM
I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but as for the testing, or anyone reporting back is null now(though, i pretty much just used default settings in all test). I pretty much know that this problem affects 100% of us. So I guess any settings ppl change wouldnt really effect the outcome. Either way, a much better fix will be out soon, so no need for throttle-stop anymore.

JRd1st
11-23-2011, 03:24 AM
I'm hoping that rather than having people cooking bios's, Asus will release an official bios that has what we need in it.

clinthill98
12-12-2011, 05:42 AM
thanks for the info but i need some help.. i got the G74SX-AH71

specs:
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
Display: 17.3-inch Full HD display (1920 x 1080)
Processor: 2nd generation Intel Core i7-2670QM quad-core processor (2.2 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.1 GHz)
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M 3GB GDDR5 VRAM
Memory: 16GB DDR3 SDRAM, 4 x SODIMM Sockets (up to 16GB)

i notice when i play dead rising 2 my game will lag sometimes getting to the mid thirties in fps and go back up will this fix this? so i just hit the "turn on" button? and it works? thanks

zsld0423
12-24-2011, 07:42 PM
very glad I stumbled onto this thread. I've currently got a G60JX but next week i'm ordering my G74SX-RH71, and I will be sure to keep my eye out for the throttling. I know it may not be much, but if it does happen to me I'll see what I can do to pester Asus as a customer to see if they'll ever do anything for it lol.

Dttell
12-30-2011, 03:23 PM
How did you create the logs in the first post? I would also like to check. You have several programs listed, but I was not sure which one created the logs.

AMOGamog
01-12-2012, 05:17 AM
g53 sw
throttle stop made a big difference on BF3

running fairly high settings on 1080 with ssoa and AA high

getting 35-55 fps on Caspian border 64players (most demanding in my view)

was getting really low fps on low settings before i did that

1hour gameplay
Cpu max temp 86c
Gpu max temp 85c

gpu overclocked using msi afterburner. 750/1500/1450 (stable)

thanks!

Ray-Ban
01-12-2012, 07:34 PM
This only occurs when running on battery correct?

AMOGamog
01-14-2012, 12:41 PM
This only occurs when running on battery correct?

NO it happens even when plugged in. i havent tried playing on battery but thatll be crap!

ColonelS
01-16-2012, 02:49 AM
Is this throttling issue a common problem for majority of user?

Appreciate if users can PM me, in turn i will collate them all and revert them back to rightful dept.

Thanks

neenja
01-20-2012, 07:36 PM
just to make sure, in your original post you say just to load the exe and it should be fine. i noticed a "Turn On" button on the bottom right hand corner... we obviously have to click Turn On first right?

Load exe, click Turn On, click Save.

That ok?

Stian234
01-25-2012, 05:33 PM
I cant get this program to work as it shoul at all, it is still throttling.
Any Suggestions?

fixitchris
01-25-2012, 11:39 PM
I haven't run into the throttling yet... All games seem to perform fine, but thanks for the find.

dkillone
01-27-2012, 03:07 AM
just to make sure, in your original post you say just to load the exe and it should be fine. i noticed a "Turn On" button on the bottom right hand corner... we obviously have to click Turn On first right?

Load exe, click Turn On, click Save.

That ok?

No need to hit the Turn On button, I guess it really shouldn't hurt anything, but yeah, there is no need.


I cant get this program to work as it shoul at all, it is still throttling.
Any Suggestions?

I saw the pictures you posted in the other thread, and replied to it. Seems you had BD PROCHOT checked, so that was/is reason it isn't stopping the throttling. It's supposed to be Unchecked.

Hopefully that solves it, it's a shame Asus never cared to release a new bios. I've put way more effort into solving a problem that never should have existed. I mean, yeah, problems creep in accidentally, but it's how you hand those problems once pointed out is what makes you a good or bad company.

Mechanized
01-27-2012, 03:22 AM
Hey all.

I purchased a G74 from a local retailer and have this throttling issue. While I appreiate Asus for hosting this community, the lack of support on this issue has strongly influenced my decision to return this to the store.


To the asus staff:
I will be detailing its defect to customer service to ensure it comes back to you for repair. Please do these owners a favor and release a patch to the bios to address this issue. I will remain your fan in custom motherboards, video cards, and other products, but this offering, as a best of line, is poor compaired to your competitors. Your customers expect better from you.

On a positive note, the airflow design and case are a very nice design.

Thanks for reading.

ColonelS
01-27-2012, 08:01 AM
Hi all,

I have already sent out a ******heavily neeeeeeeeded much attention email******* to the upper level.

On behalf of ASUS ROG I sincerely apologise to all who are experiencing this issue.

What i would need from you guys is:

1. Be it minor or major throttling in any games or application just list down the names of those games and application

2. If is possible do screenshot the CPU throttling while gaming

3. Specific model of your affected G-Series laptop

4. Other then using throttle stop, which software or tweaks did you guys managed to at least find a temp fix for this throttling

Best Regards
Sawn

tkd_ron
01-28-2012, 02:21 AM
Throttlestop is the only progam I found that helps throttling on myG74sx-bbk7.

Stian234
01-28-2012, 12:54 PM
I can confirm this fixed the throttling problem for me:

The guide is from our forum member Lannigan ! Read carefully!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/635264-bios-cpu-throttling-fix.html

THX!

ColonelS
01-30-2012, 03:03 AM
per what chastity mentioned..

"I would prefer that we NOT encourage people to mod their BIOS themselves. The settings that Asus use are based on recommendations from Intel. The BD-PROCHOT was implemented for a reason. I would prefer we tweak the settings when the TCC trips rather than disable the thermal protection all-together.

I would also prefer having a beta BIOS released from us rather than hundreds of self-modded ones. This way we can maintain a measure of Quality Control.

As stated earlier, I'd rather get a mod BIOS out for the masses than rather having them mod it themselves. Murphy is inevitable, and can cause people to have to pay for fixes, since self-modding the BIOS is an instant warranty void."

PILGRIM
01-30-2012, 03:50 AM
per what chastity mentioned..

"I would prefer that we NOT encourage people to mod their BIOS themselves. The settings that Asus use are based on recommendations from Intel. The BD-PROCHOT was implemented for a reason. I would prefer we tweak the settings when the TCC trips rather than disable the thermal protection all-together.

I would also prefer having a beta BIOS released from us rather than hundreds of self-modded ones. This way we can maintain a measure of Quality Control.

As stated earlier, I'd rather get a mod BIOS out for the masses than rather having them mod it themselves. Murphy is inevitable, and can cause people to have to pay for fixes, since self-modding the BIOS is an instant warranty void."

Granted. But the QUESTION still persists: Where is the BIOS fix?

ColonelS
01-30-2012, 08:05 AM
This matter already been forwarded. Rest assured we are trying our very best.

Lannigan
01-31-2012, 12:36 AM
Its cute how you act like this is a new and unknown issue. Not only is there a 13 PAGE post stickied that Chastity started, this has been complained about for roughly a year onALL Asus sandybridge machines. While you are very late to the game, I do hope this means that Asus may finally be turning a corner on their customer service! I love my notebook, I just want to see Asus stand behind what they are selling!

ColonelS
01-31-2012, 03:20 AM
I know im new to here. But I have noticed this issue even before i joined asus..

Since now im already in part of the ROG gang. im doing my very best to push this issue to the higher channel -----> pointing at the R&D team

Lannigan
01-31-2012, 03:38 AM
As much as I have called Asus out I want to thank both you and Chastity. I have read these forums and notebookreview quite thoroughly and I want it known that Chastity and (new from what I see) ColonelS as they definately seem to be moving in the right direction. Ive been building computers and tweaking hardware for over 15 years now, and had always thought Asus had a great product. While the product still seems good, the support seems to have gone the way of everyone else (overseas) lets make sure we let people know we appreciate what they are trying to do for us, while at the same time staying on Asus (sorry guys) till we get either resolution or it becomes clear we need to look elsewhere for our next purchase. I am more then willing to contribute what I know about the throttling issue (I have fixed the bios on my machine without disabling BDPROCHOT!) if it would be at all helpfull.

ColonelS
01-31-2012, 03:43 AM
PM sent to you

Swifty76
02-01-2012, 09:50 PM
So I took a look at a guide on notebookreview by Lannigan (Thanks a ton for the guide by the way Lannigan, MAJOR props) and decided to take the BIOS Flashing approach. I opened BIOS build 203 for the G74SX and made the said changes from the guide, but also giving people the option to access their CPU Configuration, Power & Performance, and ICC Overclocking Library from the BIOS Menu. Seems stable so far after stress tests and a little bit of gaming and boots seem a little bit quicker. Now I don't believe that the G74SX is using the same BIOS as the G73 or 53SW but I have posted a link below so anyone willing to can flash my the modded BIOS.

Disclaimer: YOU DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. I am not liable for any damage that may happen to your computer by flashing this BIOS file.

1. Download the Windows BIOS Flashing Utility from Asus HERE (http://www.asus.com/Notebooks/Gaming_Powerhouse/G74SX/#download) under the BIOS Utilities tab.

2. Download the modded BIOS file from Here (http://www.comc.cc/Rob/bios.html)

3. Open Install then open up the Winflash utility in your Start>ASUS Utility folder and hit Ok when the warning opens.

4. You will be prompted to locate the bios file you just downloaded, find the .203 file and hit Open.

5. The BIOS flash utility should open and give you information regarding your Current BIOS Rom and the BIOS image you just opened. Review the details if you want but otherwise hit Flash at the bottom.

6. It should only take roughly a minute to flash the new BIOS.

7. Hit Exit to restart.

You shouldn't really have any problems as I didn't. But a BIOS can be fairly picky sometimes. Press F2 at boot to get into the menu and browse around to take a look at the options. If you don't know what an option is then its best to leave it.

kouotsu
02-02-2012, 09:40 PM
Thanks for the fix guys, I hadn't especially noticed the throttling but this has definitely improved performance. In Left 4 Dead 2 if I turned very quickly it would be slightly choppy, but now it's a perfect blur. Also, my Windows Experience score was being held down by Graphics of all things, which was a 6.0. After running ThrottleStop, it's up to 7.2! Still my lowest score, but a huge improvement.

I want to note that for whatever reason, putting a ThrottleStop shortcut in the Startup folder wouldn't make it run on startup. Instead, I used Task Scheduler to make it run every time I log in, and now it works fine.

Invincible
02-02-2012, 10:47 PM
Also, my Windows Experience score was being held down by Graphics of all things, which was a 6.0. After running ThrottleStop, it's up to 7.2! Still my lowest score, but a huge improvement.

Very strange becoue i had graphics 7.2 score "just from the box" wihout throttlestop

Swifty76
02-03-2012, 01:20 AM
What model computer do you guys have?

thehacker17
02-03-2012, 01:24 AM
The modded bios worked on a g74sx-bbk7 thank you for doing it swifty76

Swifty76
02-03-2012, 01:31 AM
Good I'm glad it worked out, it should since its a standard bios image for all G74SX models. Not too certain if that's the case for G73 models since I noticed on the download section that they are up to build 205. Probably a different mobo. I may look into the other options that can be enabled and release an update.

Walphed
02-03-2012, 07:20 PM
I just used Swifty76's bios file, and it worked WONDERFULLY. My G74SX actually came with BIOS v203, so using the Winflash Utility didn't work since it was reporting that my current bios build was newer. I managed to flash the bios by using Easy Flash and renaming Swifty76's file as a .ROM

Thank you so much, ROG forum! My throttling woes are in the rear view mirror now without having to run TS.

Swifty76
02-03-2012, 08:42 PM
Glad to hear you got it working... should have thought about that conflict. I'll make note of it and adjust the guide for existing build 203 laptops. Has anyone checked the added options in the bios and made any adjustments?

BrodyBoy
02-03-2012, 09:44 PM
@Swifty: Is there a reason you specifically suggest people use WinFlash when trying your BIOS hack? One of the most common and vociferous recommendations around Asus forums is to avoid WinFlash, since it's known to be the most risky flashing method.

You may want to include that in your disclaimer of liability, i.e., that using the WinFlash utility, as suggested in your instructions, increases the probability of bricking the BIOS. (It might also be a good idea to make it very clear that flashing a modded BIOS instantly voids the Asus warranty, so in the even that the BIOS does get bricked, the RMA will have to be done at the owner's expense. This has been stated elsewhere, but those considering your hack may not see it unless you include it in your posts.)

Swifty76
02-04-2012, 07:07 AM
I have never had a problem with winflash, I will make note of that and add an alternative method. Just for those who are sceptical of the winflash method.

rozwell911
02-04-2012, 05:09 PM
I am seriously debating doing this now....Throttle Stop has stoped functioning in monitoring mode properly for me. I now have to "Turn ON" Throttle Stop and put the "Set Multiplier" to 28 to get full speed while gaming.

I am not sure why TS stopped functioning in monitoring mode for me... i have made no updates or changes to any drivers at all.

....hummm....now i have to weigh the pros and cons on lack of warranty.....

ColonelS
02-06-2012, 05:48 AM
rozwell your pm replied.

ColonelS
02-06-2012, 05:50 AM
Ok just one question that the R&D teams wants me to ask you guys.

Regarding the throttling of CPU, what software did you guys track the "mhz" ? CPUZ?

ColonelS
02-06-2012, 07:11 AM
*knock knock*

ColonelS
02-06-2012, 09:27 AM
Hi guys,


Could you all try this out to see if the CPU frequency drops to below 800mhz? like gaming etc etc

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=7838

Something like this
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/colonelsoh/throttling.jpg

Bojamijams
02-07-2012, 12:36 AM
So do we have to run Furmark while running this app? Also is there some reason that we have to use this app instead of CPU-Z?

Kanigit
02-07-2012, 01:02 AM
SWTOR test below with all max settings minus shadows which are set to low. Not that it won't do it, just prefer it.

5810

Doesn't seem like the Intel app monitors the processor, just takes a one time snap shot when it launches. Which by the way, according to CPU-Z, caps the freq before dropping down.

ColonelS
02-07-2012, 01:45 AM
SWTOR test below with all max settings minus shadows which are set to low. Not that it won't do it, just prefer it.


Doesn't seem like the Intel app monitors the processor, just takes a one time snap shot when it launches. Which by the way, according to CPU-Z, caps the freq before dropping down.

Did you try restarting the intel app?

ColonelS
02-07-2012, 01:46 AM
So do we have to run Furmark while running this app? Also is there some reason that we have to use this app instead of CPU-Z?

I'm trying to check other then CPU-Z, which app will monitor the throttling of cpu

Kanigit
02-07-2012, 02:39 AM
Did you try restarting the intel app?

Yup, three times. Same results.

unclewebb
02-07-2012, 04:53 AM
CPU-Z is designed for consistent MHz validation purposes and the Intel utility is useless as a utility to accurately monitor CPU throttling.

ThrottleStop uses high performance timers within the CPU that were specifically designed by Intel for extremely accurate multiplier monitoring on each thread of any Core 2 or Core i CPU built since July 2006. This monitoring method is fully explained in the November 2008 Intel Turbo White Paper.

IntelŪ Turbo Boost Technology in IntelŪ Core™ Microarchitecture (Nehalem) Based Processors
http://download.intel.com/design/processor/applnots/320354.pdf

Does Asus Engineering not have access to a tool that uses these timers to show them this problem?

RealTemp 3.70 also follows the Intel recommended monitoring method. You can trust RealTemp and ThrottleStop to show you the slightest hint of throttling and what speed your CPU is really running at.

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/2089/Real_Temp_3.70.html

ColonelS
02-08-2012, 07:09 AM
Woot! unclewebb i just forwarded the entire reply to the R&D team haha.

fingers crossed for now *mm*

Bojamijams
02-09-2012, 02:53 AM
Thanks Colonel. Keep us posted.

Vaneriuz
02-09-2012, 05:50 PM
Woot! unclewebb i just forwarded the entire reply to the R&D team haha.

fingers crossed for now *mm*

Something is very odd about all of this. . .
I just bought a G53SX, and i ofc have this issue as well. I find it VERY, like VERY VERY, hard to believe that the Asus engineering crew don't already have tools for this. Also, ofc they have known about this for a long time (how couldn't they have?). It just saddens me that Asus apparently doesn't care enough to take care of this right away :-(

I always liked Asus, and i love my G53 (gimped gpu or not). For ****s sake Asus, take care of this already. Good support is what matters in the long run, the opposite have a way of spreading the word quicker than one might imagine.

//Mike from Sweden (we have WAY too much snow here at the moment. . . Sigh.......)

Proz
02-09-2012, 09:17 PM
So... let's try typing this up again since clearly this website has issues...

So I have a similar problem to you guys, although I have an Asus N53SV notebook rather than one of the ROG ones.

My issue is only on battery though. When plugged in everything works fine, frame rates are consistent. When I'm on battery I get bad throttling though. At first I noticed that all of my speeds on CPU and GPU would drop for about 5 seconds after about every 30 seconds or so. I tried using throttlestop and that fixed the CPU throttle issue, but I still have GPU throttling while on battery (I'm monitoring with GPU-z and CPU-z).

I've been messing with this since I got this notebook trying to fix, but nothing has worked. I've tried different drivers, settings, etc with no luck.

Looking through forums this has been an issue for some time. Asus has done absolutely nothing about it. I tried calling Asus and the best advice their "tech support" could offer is to try switching to high performance battery profile... Oh, and he tried telling me to download SLI, since that would clearly help...

Hopefully, this forum can offer some advice on fixing this. If I don't get it fixed within the next couple of days I'll definitely be returning this and staying away from Asus notebooks in the future.5880

unclewebb
02-09-2012, 09:40 PM
High performance gaming laptops are not designed so that you can run the CPU and GPU at full speed while on battery power. Manufacturers need to be more upfront about this limitation.

Battery technology has not kept up with CPU and GPU technology. Batteries are not capable of supplying enough power to a laptop when gaming. If you decide to try and disable throttling while on battery power, you can shorten the life of your battery significantly. Gimped on battery is understandable but gimped when plugged in is not.

Vaneriuz: This issue has been around for a long time and it continues with the G74 series.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?9052-Does-BIOS-202-fix-Throttling-Issues-(G74)&

Proz
02-09-2012, 09:50 PM
High performance gaming laptops are not designed so that you can run the CPU and GPU at full speed while on battery power. Manufacturers need to be more upfront about this limitation.

Battery technology has not kept up with CPU and GPU technology. Batteries are not capable of supplying enough power to a laptop when gaming. If you decide to try and disable throttling while on battery power, you can shorten the life of your battery significantly. Gimped on battery is understandable but gimped when plugged in is not.

Vaneriuz: This issue has been around for a long time and it continues with the G74 series.

A buddy of mine has a lenovo notebook with i7 and gt555m and he plays games just fine on battery with no issues. Isn't that the whole point of "mobile" gaming? If you can't play games on them on battery you might as well just get a desktop with better performance for half the price.

unclewebb
02-09-2012, 11:10 PM
I get a score of 1225 CONSISTANTLY plugged into the A.C charger on my Lenovo IdeaPad y570 (core i7-2630qm -- gt555m) but when im running on the battery it drops to 825 ive made sure to have all the power options set to the same (High Performance) mode is set in the windows/lenovo energy managment so its not lacking the power...

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1639662

I have also spent some time helping Lenovo W520 owners with their throttling laptops so I guess your friend got lucky.

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/W-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/W520-Speedstep-not-working-properly-on-battery-BIOS-v1-26/td-p/504029

Sometimes throttling on battery power is blatant like above where the CPU is running at only 800 MHz and other times it is more subtle. Unless you are logging the performance of your CPU and GPU, many users don't even realize that their laptop is not running at its designed speed when on battery power.

Acer, Asus, Dell, MSI, HP, Lenovo, etc. are all guilty of producing a throttling laptop or two. Owners need to do more testing and put more pressure on manufacturers to get their act together and stop turning a blind eye to this issue.

Bojamijams
02-10-2012, 12:18 AM
A buddy of mine has a lenovo notebook with i7 and gt555m and he plays games just fine on battery with no issues. Isn't that the whole point of "mobile" gaming? If you can't play games on them on battery you might as well just get a desktop with better performance for half the price.

If your CPU didn't throttle, and everything ran at full speed, your battery would last about 15-20minutes playing Battlefield 3.

The point of mobile gaming is that your system is mobile. Its light, small and you know, mobile. Mobile does not mean battery powered.

Vaneriuz
02-10-2012, 02:27 PM
Woot! unclewebb i just forwarded the entire reply to the R&D team haha.

fingers crossed for now *mm*

Well, i've decided to send mine back, and going for an MSI GT780DX instead.

I mean, first the throttling issue (temporarily solved with throttlestop..), then the worthless WiFi card (temporarily solved with running in b/g, halving my speed, got 100/100 at home), plus the gimped card in my G53SX (i missed beforehand that the 53SX had the gimped gpu, why Asus?!? Sigh..). It's a shame though, since i love the design and general feel of the G53 and G74, plus the cooling is awesome ofc. But i just can't forgive and forget all those faults, i mean why should i really? :-(

TheWolf
02-11-2012, 07:10 AM
So I took a look at a guide on notebookreview by Lannigan (Thanks a ton for the guide by the way Lannigan, MAJOR props) and decided to take the BIOS Flashing approach.

Have you or anyone modded the bios for the G53SW-XN1?
I'd like to see one for it with the extra option your talking about.
You can PM me if you'd like.
Thanks

Chastity@ASUS
02-21-2012, 06:28 PM
Hi everyone,

just wanted to chime in with some tips for anyone planning to push their notebooks:

1) Never run full throttle on battery power only. It's a good way to shorten your battery's lifespan.

2) For people looking to run full throttle under AC power: please check your power supplies when running. If they are uncomfortably hot, then consider upgrading to a 180w PSU. As we know, the closer we push our AC units to their spec'd max, they will run less efficiently, and generate more heat. This will also shorten lifespan of the PSU. This is especially true when overclocking, as you can have power draws above 150w. (My G73JH on some OC settings could hit 170w according to my car inverter)

Switching to a 180w PSU will allow the unit to run more effeciently, and ergo, cooler.

http://computerpartsdirect.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=14081

Here's what I use, and the tips are also L-shaped to help protect the power pin on the mobo. It's $38.95 + s/h

Bojamijams
02-22-2012, 02:53 PM
Okay well in that case, for the G75 and onward, please consider bundling an APPROPRIATE size power supply so that GAMERS who GAME on their republic of GAMERS notebook can have an adequately sized power supply which is meant for GAMING.

To say that I'm pissed about this is an understatement.

The PS you linked is a REFURB unit. New units cost about $80 + s/h, which is what you're asking customers to pay, on TOP of the laptop, for something that should've been included in the first place.

WaffleBoy
02-23-2012, 07:06 PM
What a shame. Why Asus don't care about this problem... I wish they'll fix it when G55/75 will be released.

AdelaisAer
03-07-2012, 10:34 PM
So I take it there isn't one made specifically for Asus laptops, let alone the G74SX?

AdelaisAer
03-07-2012, 11:18 PM
Actually, question: If we upgrade our AC Adapter, does it have to be a 180W? Because the one that Chastity uses is the only 180W I could find (that was universal, that is; all the other ones are strictly HP/Sony). :S I need to find something that is sold in Canada, too, which includes Amazon Canada and Tigerdirect Canada.

ScutuMix
03-15-2012, 02:26 AM
Hi guys,

I'm new on the forum an in the ROG world. I just ordered last week an ASUS G53Sx customized on XoticPC.com website and I would like to know if the new models of G53Sx still have this problem with the CPU.

a) How can I test the laptop to see if it has this problem?

b) It's any way to avoid this problem?

c) Is this problem covered by warranty?

d) What other problems are commun for this model?


Thank you for helping me :)


Edit:

I made a research last night and I found so many complains about this G series laptop so I've decided to return the G53Sx (even if I love ASUS and the laptop design) and I'll go with MSI GT683DX - same price, better video card GTX570M.

Thank you :)

gvii
03-21-2012, 02:03 PM
So has there been any progress on an official BIOS fix? I've modified the BIOS in all of my desktops and old laptop to varying degrees, so I'm not entirely paranoid about possibly running a modified BIOS in my G74, but I would still very much prefer an official update. I realize there is the software based workaround, but being required to do it just so the computer works properly annoys the everliving heck out of me. And it is frustrating, especially considering the rather high regard in which I hold ASUS products, as evidenced by the large pile of ASUS labeled boxes I have lying about.

Please don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore my G74 to no end. The only complaint I honestly have is about the lack of hardware RAID functionality. I also wish it had an optical output, but that's not really a complaint, just a personal preference kind of thing. Outside of that, it has absolutely everything I could wish for in a gaming notebook, and I'm more than happy to recommend it to others.

But any kind of update in regards to how things are progressing would be appreciated to no end.

MrRuckus
04-02-2012, 09:47 PM
I honestly dont believe there ever will be an update. I have a feeling this is just hardware related to the i7 and throttling down under load when temps reach a certain point. Not sure Asus could make a fix Bios wise for it. I experienced this first hand in SC2 at times on my previous G53, but I havent yet experienced it with my G74, although once I picked up my G74 I ran across this thread and have used Throttlestop ever since. I think the G53 was more succeptable to this problem being that it was a smaller chassis and did not have as much space for cooling.

Im just glad someone was able to find a work around for it. Slowing down in a SC2 game with an i7 seemed absurd to me, but the laptop would routinely get into the high 80's low 90's for temps when gaming (G53 that is).

The G74 doesn't even get to 70C most of the time. Even when running FurMark/Intel Burn-In at the same time. It seems the temps between G74's can very by a wide margin from one to the next as others have seen temps in the low 90's. I would recommend a reseat of the heatsink and re-apply of some thermal paste if your temps are that high, although its said that removing the heatsink will void your warranty, so just keep that in mind.

Horizon
04-06-2012, 06:48 AM
Hello i have a G74SX-BBk7 and i installed and turned on throttlebot 4.0 and it still shows me at 798.2 am i doing something wrong?

Here is more info

Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.111118-2330)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
System Model: G74Sx
BIOS: BIOS Date: 09/23/11 16:59:53 Ver: 04.06.03
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.0GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8170MB RAM
Page File: 2555MB used, 13781MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

Criton
04-07-2012, 09:17 AM
Hi All!

I have an Asus G53SX with the BIOS 209, this is the newest bios?
This BIOS fixed the CPU Throttling?

More info about my Laptop:

Mobile QuadCore Intel Core i7-2630QM, 2600 MHz (26 x 100)
Asus G53SX Series Notebook
Intel Cougar Point HM65, Intel Sandy Bridge
16361 MB (DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M (2048 MB)
OCZ-VERTEX3 (SATA-III)
ST9750423AS (750 GB, 5400 RPM, SATA-II)

DMI :

American Megatrends Inc.
G53SX.209
ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
G53SX

starforce2142
04-07-2012, 11:19 AM
Ver 4.10 is out, with some improvements.
http://www.techinferno.com/downloads/?did=21

AbbyY
04-11-2012, 07:46 AM
I have modded my 203 bios based on dkillone and Lannigan's tutorials. Everything was fine both on modding and then flashing. Then I disabled in new bios BD-PROCHOT, under thermal configuration tab (by default was enabled).

Thanks a lot dkillone, Lannigan and all people posted about that issue.

Sphinxen
04-14-2012, 03:19 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but this guy made a nifty lil app to help Unpark CPU's for those who are not comfortable with editing the registry manually, the site has some nice step-by-step instructions with screenshots.

It doesn't require an install or anything. I hope this could help someone:

http://www.coderbag.com/Programming-C/Disable-CPU-Core-Parking-Utility

dataDave
04-15-2012, 01:41 AM
Has anyone had any luck with getting a full bank of 1600mhz memory running at full speed using the BIOS mod? I've already tinkered with my memory options in the BIOS mod tool but I need my hardware to arrive before I can try it out.

AbbyY
04-28-2012, 06:02 AM
I succeeded to mod bios for my G74SX, including ThrottleFix and AES. I talk about version 203, the last one. I sent file to dkillone to test it and I think he'll post it as soon as possible. It's working perfectly for me.

dkillone
04-28-2012, 09:27 AM
I succeeded to mod bios for my G74SX, including ThrottleFix and AES. I talk about version 203, the last one. I sent file to dkillone to test it and I think he'll post it as soon as possible. It's working perfectly for me.

Thanks Abby, saw the PM and I now have edited in the Tfix + AES, really appreciate it as I'm sure others do as well.

For everyone else,
I added a "More Permanent Fix" section into the main post. Contains a G53/73SW/G74SX throttlefix +aes bios with instructions. All 3 have been tested and known to work.

Thanks everyone, really a big shame Asus didn't man up about this, but glad we found a way to do it ourselves.

Criton
04-29-2012, 12:39 PM
for the G53 users, the Bios 209 solve this problem? Or use continue the ThrottleStop 4.10?

gyilok
04-30-2012, 12:23 PM
hi,
G74SX-AH71 here, it was like turbo boost had disappeared from my machine, was constantly at 800mhz (throttle stop was able to increase it, but turbo was not working) the BIOS update posted here has fixed the issue, turbo boost working again

AdelaisAer
04-30-2012, 01:29 PM
I am REALLY scared to install the modified bios on here. I am scared my laptop might not work after, as posted on the original post.

dataDave
04-30-2012, 03:16 PM
You will be fine, just make sure to use a FAT32 formatted USB stick and you'll be sorted.

dataDave
04-30-2012, 06:06 PM
I just flashed the updated BIOS with the AES enabled and it's great! Loads of new CPU options opened up. :)

Now all we need is user defined RAM frequencies and we have an almost perfect BIOS!!

AbbyY
04-30-2012, 11:10 PM
For those who use the modded G74SX bios: you have to go to Advanced tab / Thermal Configuration / CPU Thermal Configuration and disable BD-PROCHOT in bios. When I modded the bios I left that setting enabled by default so you must disable yourself. If you flash the new bios using a FAT32 memory stick and EasyFlash utility you will have not any problem.

AdelaisAer
05-04-2012, 07:20 AM
I am still scared to use the Fixed BIOS because of the possibility of the risks stated in the OP.

dataDave
05-07-2012, 08:49 AM
I've flashed bios hundreds of times over several different systems using a FAT32 formatted USB stick. It's the only method I use. Modded or official. So far, not one brick.

You run less risks flashing this bios than you do flashing an official bios using the supplied Asus Windows method.

fuzon1337
05-07-2012, 06:39 PM
Can anyone here tell about the throttling issue also applies in Counter Strike Source?
I get a huge fps drop in that game, and it wasnt like that before :(

EDIT: I'm on current driver nVidia beta 301.24.

Litany
05-09-2012, 02:46 PM
I've got a G74sx model ASUS laptop. Since roughly January I've been experiencing what "feels" like Throttling, but it's evident throughout my usage and not dependent on CPU loads / peak. It's evident in Windows and everything feels like it's going at half clip. A restart "fixes" it more often than not, but it's becoming more and more frequent. ASUS's update program failing to successfully update BIOS has led me here - could / are the issues connected?

BrodyBoy
05-09-2012, 04:44 PM
I've got a G74sx model ASUS laptop. Since roughly January I've been experiencing what "feels" like Throttling, but it's evident throughout my usage and not dependent on CPU loads / peak. It's evident in Windows and everything feels like it's going at half clip. A restart "fixes" it more often than not, but it's becoming more and more frequent. ASUS's update program failing to successfully update BIOS has led me here - could / are the issues connected?
Can't tell you whether the two are related....though I think it's unlikely.....but consider the Asus Update failure a stroke of luck. That's the riskiest way to update the BIOS and it should be avoided. (Honestly, I'd uninstall Asus Update completely. One thing that can slow down your system is this kind of junk running in the background all the time.) If you want to update your G74 BIOS, use the EasyFlash (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?vdg51lpjqcmrjqv)method.

Litany
05-09-2012, 06:48 PM
Cheers, and thanks for the quick reply.

It was a stretch but I was hoping I was simply misunderstanding everyone else's troubles.

gilbert
05-24-2012, 10:01 PM
hey guys just wondering if anyone made any changes to the options that come up in bios after flashing the Throttling Stop bios mod.

Zygomorphic
06-10-2012, 01:38 AM
Durban, you are replying to this thread, and welcome!

DurbanPoison
06-10-2012, 01:52 AM
Hi,

I'm new here but have read many of the topics regarding this throttling issue so many of us face. I have a G73JW notebook which I believe has a GPU throttling issue rather than a CPU throttling one.

From my observations, the 460M GTX nvidia card in my notebook which runs at default speeds of 675/1250mhz (Core/Memory), seems to be GPU throttled down to a core speed of 337mhz. This occurs once my gpu temperature reaches 93'C which is in less than a minute of running MSI GPU Kombuster - ( I have attached a screenshot of this)

The same issue affects me in pretty much any game I play such as Skyrim, COD etc

I have checked and noted the GPU clock speed throttle down using MSI Afterburner as well as noting the same 93'C temperature mark where the throttling begins. - (I have attached a screenshot of this too)

I should mention my notebook is around 2 years old and I have blown the air vents and done what I can to ensure the laptop stops overheating, however I may just need to buy a cooling pad in the end...

I also want to mention my brother has an Asus G73JH notebook which had temperatures that soared up to 114'C causing the laptop to continually shutdown as the gpu's internal threshold temp had been reached. I fixed this issue by updating both the Bios and VBios of the machine. The temperature now reaches a maximum of 84'C using Kombuster and the shutdown issue has been solved. I should mention that at this temperature no GPU throttling takes place.

Now, I've tried using ThrottleStop however I'm unsure if I'm using it correctly as it hasn't been able to solve my GPU throttling issue. I simply installed the application, ran it and ensured BD PROCHOT was disabled. I then pressed Turn On and minimized it.

My issue is still however present as I've tested this with Kombuster as well as playing Skyrim and observing the throttling taking place using MSI Afterburner.

When I first launch Skyrim my FPS are around 40FPS until about 4-5 minutes later where the FPS will have now dropped to 15-25FPS when being in the same area, with more or less the same amount of load placed on the GPU as to when I was seeing 40FPS. Quickly alt-tabbing and checking Afterburner's monitor, notice the GPU core speed graph jumping up and down between 675 and 338mhz. Also note the GPU temp at around 92/93'C.

This is why I believe I have a GPU throttling issue, now PLEASE CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME FIX IT!!!


91619162

EDIT: Forgot to mention I have in the past updated to bios 203 which I believe is still the most current. I have yet to find an updated vBios for this notebook, therefore it still uses the default factory vBios.

DurbanPoison
06-11-2012, 08:30 AM
Assistance please anyone :)

Zygomorphic
06-11-2012, 10:24 AM
That sounds like a case of GPU throttling to me. While on most notebooks buying a cooling pad helps tremendously, the ROG notebooks use a top-fed cooling design in which the air is drawn through the speaker grille. So, unless you put the cooling pad facing down on the keyboard, I don't think it will help much. ;) I have a cooling pad, and my GPU temps with and without it vary by 1 C, at best.

The 93 C throttling point is likely the programmed BIOS throttle point for the NVIDA cards. I would not try to override it, as 93 C is pretty hot, even for a video card. The Throttle-stop mod is designed for those whose CPUs are throttling at much lower temperatures, where clearly the heat is not the issue. Besides which, it is a CPU, not a GPU thermal tweak.

For the GTX460M, make sure that you are running the latest NVIDIA drivers, which is 301.42: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/44971

That can sometimes help, as it will run the card cooler at idle, and possibly adjust the fan-ramps under load. You already said that you had the BIOS updated to the most recent, so it cannot be that. The only remaining possibility I can see is dsiassembling the notebook and really cleaning out the fans and repasting the GPU.

The final proposition I just gave is a really difficult task. Try cleaning the fans and the radiators before repasting the GPU. If the problem persists, let us know, and maybe one of the Desktop OC'ers can give you some advice in how to paste a GPU, since I have no experience in such things.

Good luck!

Skye
06-19-2012, 06:32 PM
I just bought a G53SX a few months ago (I regretted since the G55 was almost released but I just couldn't wait, and it was pretty "cheap" in my country) Anyways, I am pretty noob about this issue, can you please help me? Which BIOS do I download, O use DXDIAG on my laptop and it says I have G53SX but I only see a G53SW or G74SX/SW BIOS link.

Is there a way I can contact you for more info about this? I haven't done anything on the laptop though and I haven't played any game that is mentioned in your thread.

DurbanPoison
06-21-2012, 05:59 PM
Hi there Skye,

You can grab all the latest drivers and bios updates for your Asus products from their website. Here's a direct link for your laptop.

http://support.asus.com/Troubleshooting/detail.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=G53SX&p=3&s=252&os=&hashedid=xxkAXDZNmlXj3U41&no=822

That post details how to update your bios on your laptop. The 'Download' tab next to it will give you the download page for the bios and drivers for your G53SX

As an FYI, rebooting your laptop and pushing delete will get you into the bios. The first bios screen that loads up should display your current Bios.

Regards

Skye
06-22-2012, 09:53 AM
Hi there Skye,

You can grab all the latest drivers and bios updates for your Asus products from their website. Here's a direct link for your laptop.

http://support.asus.com/Troubleshooting/detail.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=G53SX&p=3&s=252&os=&hashedid=xxkAXDZNmlXj3U41&no=822

That post details how to update your bios on your laptop. The 'Download' tab next to it will give you the download page for the bios and drivers for your G53SX

As an FYI, rebooting your laptop and pushing delete will get you into the bios. The first bios screen that loads up should display your current Bios.

Regards

Lol my BIOS is 203 >.<
but I'm scared to update, might brick my laptop :O

aeoncleanse
06-26-2012, 12:40 AM
G74SX: I just flashed my bois with the fix and confirmed with the tool mentioned in the OP. My machine now gets significantly hotter than it did before while running TF2, my main game, and I cam seeing my performance in TF2 suffer, down from a solid 100-150FPS to 40-70FPS. Likely cause is overheating, as temperatures are now 40 degrees higher than they were before.

Is it worth flashing the BIOS back to the previous version, or is there a way I can lock my fan speed to full, either through software or via a hardware mod?

dstrakele
06-26-2012, 02:59 AM
It is my understanding that the modified BIOS was simply unlocked so that the BD-PROCHOT feature could be accessed and disabled. I would think enabling BD-PROCHOT would return your temperatures to normal.

I have not used this modified BIOS, so it would be advisable to wait for someone with more experience to reply before you proceed further. No need to attempt re-flashing the BIOS at this point...

imbloodyskintagain
06-26-2012, 10:51 AM
Ive flashed my finally with the modded BD-PRO Disabled Bios, yet using HWinfo program, it still shows my cpu ticking over at 798Mhz. I thought it would be at 2000Mhz after BD-PRO Was disabled ?

dstrakele
06-26-2012, 10:59 AM
Are you running "High Performance" power setting while plugged in on A/C?

aeoncleanse
06-26-2012, 11:55 AM
@dstrakele: I am.

gilbert
06-26-2012, 07:17 PM
Ive flashed my finally with the modded BD-PRO Disabled Bios, yet using HWinfo program, it still shows my cpu ticking over at 798Mhz. I thought it would be at 2000Mhz after BD-PRO Was disabled ?

im not sure but i think its always at 798 until you do something intensive that requires to turbo boost the processor , the thing about disabling bd -pro is that turbo boost is more stable before throttle stop it would jump all over the place, all the way up then all the way down , with bd-pro disabled it stays in turbo mode when doing something that pushes turbo boost on. i think please somebody clear this if im wrong...

imbloodyskintagain
06-27-2012, 11:57 AM
im not sure but i think its always at 798 until you do something intensive that requires to turbo boost the processor , the thing about disabling bd -pro is that turbo boost is more stable before throttle stop it would jump all over the place, all the way up then all the way down , with bd-pro disabled it stays in turbo mode when doing something that pushes turbo boost on. i think please somebody clear this if im wrong...

Ah right,
I just assumed it woul not drop below 2000Mhz. Which is what it should be as standard.

If this is the case then I wonder what setting in the Bios is making the cpu severly underclock when not being used for anything?

gilbert
06-27-2012, 03:44 PM
I believe that is an auto underclock on the CPU to save battery and life of the CPU, but if u want all your cores running all the time you can unpark them just follow this instructions http://www.coderbag.com/Programming-C/Disable-CPU-Core-Parking-Utility

imbloodyskintagain
06-27-2012, 05:57 PM
I believe that is an auto underclock on the CPU to save battery and life of the CPU, but if u want all your cores running all the time you can unpark them just follow this instructions http://www.coderbag.com/Programming-C/Disable-CPU-Core-Parking-Utility

404 error in that link mate.

Have just had a play with high performance settings while running HWINFO64 I have noticed that when set at 75%-80%(1496-1596Mhz) 1 core is pretty much static, and the other 3 bounce between 798 and 1496/1596Mhz every 1-2 seconds or so.
Now at At 85%+(1696Mhz+) that becomes every 0.5-1 sec.

BaaL
07-06-2012, 01:20 PM
Hello guys,

I own a G74SX laptop and I recently bought a 2920XM CPU.
I have the same problem of CPU throttling to 798MHz so I'll flash the bios with dkillone's modded one.

I also have another problem using 2920XM CPU: turboboost seems to be disabled or is not even working.
In throttlestop, my CPU frequency doesn't go higher than 2.5GHz.
In TLR page of Throttlestop here is what I have:
- 25 multiplier for no turboboost
- 36 multiplier for one core
- 34 multiplier for two cores
- 34 multiplier for three cores
- 32 multiplier for four cores.

So my CPU is intended to reach 3.2GHz...
Is there not enough power to start turboboost? Do I need to buy a 180W PSU then turboboost will start?

Another question, are we able to show CPU coef multiplier in the BIOS using AMIBCP?

pandation
07-06-2012, 01:23 PM
I follow the instructions to use fat usb to disable bd-prochot, so far I see things going ok. However, it means, there will be no stop when cpu usage increases. Talking about browsing/idle 70C cpu temp, happenend to me yday, which somehow caused by a corrupted intel rapid storage drivers/apps, they only used 12-15% cpu, still they caused 70C idle temp. So, just remember if your temp raised too high when you think your comp is idling, check task manager, see whats going on.

Stilo
07-07-2012, 03:29 PM
Hello everyone, Just a little post to let you informed that I am in the same case of many of you .

I just got back my asus G53sx back from RMA after a defective gtx 560m (freezing) and now I encouter the same throtle issue unlike before.

My battlefield is running poorly on 25-50 fps on very low and I get horrible cpu spikes resulting in many lag.

I tried most of the solutions posted here and there , throttlestop furmark etc I will make a more documented post in the next few days.

It would be cool comparing graph more specially the perfoverlay for those concerned, no ?

But before doing further troubleshooting I'm going to call asus next monday. I have not seen any intervention from asus?

Anyway I'm fed up with this comp, tempted to think desktop will always rule gaming..


ps: sry for bad english

Zygomorphic
07-07-2012, 05:05 PM
Hello guys,

I own a G74SX laptop and I recently bought a 2920XM CPU.
I have the same problem of CPU throttling to 798MHz so I'll flash the bios with dkillone's modded one.

I also have another problem using 2920XM CPU: turboboost seems to be disabled or is not even working.
In throttlestop, my CPU frequency doesn't go higher than 2.5GHz.
In TLR page of Throttlestop here is what I have:
- 25 multiplier for no turboboost
- 36 multiplier for one core
- 34 multiplier for two cores
- 34 multiplier for three cores
- 32 multiplier for four cores.

So my CPU is intended to reach 3.2GHz...
Is there not enough power to start turboboost? Do I need to buy a 180W PSU then turboboost will start?

Another question, are we able to show CPU coef multiplier in the BIOS using AMIBCP?

No, there is neither enough power nor enough cooling. This has been addressed by me and others on multiple occasions. There is ~20% increase in power consumption and heat on the 2920XM due to its higher TDP. This will reduce the TurboBoost headroom--assuming the power-supply can source enough current. 2.5 GHz is plenty fast...better than most comps around here...if you need more, I would buy a desktop and OC it. @HiVizman and others can help you OC your desktop beyond any notebook.

gilbert
07-07-2012, 11:38 PM
No, there is neither enough power nor enough cooling. This has been addressed by me and others on multiple occasions. There is ~20% increase in power consumption and heat on the 2920XM due to its higher TDP. This will reduce the TurboBoost headroom--assuming the power-supply can source enough current. 2.5 GHz is plenty fast...better than most comps around here...if you need more, I would buy a desktop and OC it. @HiVizman and others can help you OC your desktop beyond any notebook.

so you are saying that my future plan of replacing my 2670 for a 2960 is a waste of money ? with a 20 % to 30 % increase in heat in power consumption and with no turbo boost or Overcloking capability why bother right...

Zygomorphic
07-07-2012, 11:49 PM
so you are saying that my future plan of replacing my 2670 for a 2960 is a waste of money ? with a 20 % to 30 % increase in heat in power consumption and with no turbo boost or Overcloking capability why bother right...

That is true. If you are willing to pay for the CPU, put that money into a desktop. Add a little extra, and you have a very sweet ROG gaming system. :)

Honestly, how much more performance do you need? If you are gaming, woll not a better GPU/more memory make more difference. Honestly, unless you are video-editing, an SSD is the best upgrade money can buy.

antirandom
07-12-2012, 10:46 AM
Hello,

I set bios G74SX AES Throttle Fix!
No problem! Everything works well and does not get hot!

Thank you very much!

rodney4555
07-22-2012, 09:56 AM
I tried Flashing the Bios, and now, I need to send my laptop to the service center, because ive tried all troubleshooting method to just open the laptop, no response, when the thread said " This is still done at your OWN RISK, so I am NOT responsible for any laptops not working after flashing." I guess he really meant it. Damn

Zygomorphic
07-31-2012, 01:23 AM
Flashing the BIOS is inherently risky, as it is much like rebuilding your car's engine yourself, only while it is running...you are over-writing the very essence (soul) of your computer while it is alive, which risks killing it. Modded BIOSes are even more dangerous, since they are not extensively tested by the computer vendor. I sincerely believe ASUS should give notebook users the BIOS recovery button like they do on the motherboards...1 push to go back to the original shipped BIOS.

DrBeltway
08-11-2012, 03:42 AM
Just a heads-up for those interested in enabling the i7 AES instruction set - dkillone's link to AES-NI info (http://forum.notebookreview.com/windows-os-software/582628-aes-ni-support-truecrypt-sandy-bridge-problem.html) :

The first modified BIOS in the thread (By dkillone & AbbyY) enables AES.

The second modified BIOS (By Swifty76 on pg. 5 of this thread) does not enable AES.

Both modified BIOS enable a lot of additional options.

Zygomorphic
08-11-2012, 10:27 AM
Just a heads-up for those interested in enabling the i7 AES instruction set - dkillone's link to AES-NI info (http://forum.notebookreview.com/windows-os-software/582628-aes-ni-support-truecrypt-sandy-bridge-problem.html) :

The first modified BIOS in the thread (By dkillone & AbbyY) enables AES.

The second modified BIOS (By Swifty76 on pg. 5 of this thread) does not enable AES.

Both modified BIOS enable a lot of additional options.

Great, thank you @DrBeltwat\y. That is very helpful to point out the encryption instructions which accelerate the encryption/decryption process significantly. The latest ASUS-supported BIOS for G53SX has it as well.

BullDozzer
08-11-2012, 12:34 PM
Okay, so have anyone else used the G74SX bios mentioned in OP?
because those just bricked my pc. Powerbutton does nothing now...

Moved to usb-stick, EF says its uncool since the target platform info etc was not in the house. I trusted the sticky thread and ****. Progress bar, Power off, Nothing happens....

Zygomorphic
08-11-2012, 08:12 PM
I do not trust anyone's modded BIOS, mine works, so I don't touch it. Now if I had problems, I would consider upgrading to a newer BIOS sanctioned by ASUS, but they have not released one for almost a year.

BullDozzer
08-11-2012, 08:51 PM
I do not trust anyone's modded BIOS, mine works, so I don't touch it. Now if I had problems, I would consider upgrading to a newer BIOS sanctioned by ASUS, but they have not released one for almost a year.
Now i had problems, and i trusted the author due to the feedback. Seems like i ****ed it up myself by installing it from a USB-stick that was inserted in a USB3.0...

BullSpit
08-11-2012, 09:03 PM
It sure has been a long while since any of the Asus staff has posted in this thread.. It appears they had no luck in getting the R&D folks motivated.

Zygomorphic
08-11-2012, 11:22 PM
It sure has been a long while since any of the Asus staff has posted in this thread.. It appears they had no luck in getting the R&D folks motivated.

I am not surprised, the G73/53SW is an older system. ASUS engineers have only a finite amount of time, so they cannot do everything. They are likely focused on the G75/G55 or its successor. The SW systems are likely going away, and since the fix is probably not easy to certify, they will not produce a patch.

pinger2k
08-21-2012, 09:36 AM
I just bough the G53SW a couple of days back which is super pristine and most importantly still under warranty. So i dropped them a technical inquiry using ASUS self help web page. I'm interested to see their response.

x0rkinko
09-06-2012, 09:02 AM
Hi, i used your modded version of bios. Everything is working fine, now i can play games without laggs but one thing isnīt working. I canīt turn on the light under keyboard, another functions as brightness,volume or turn off displey works. Guys do u have this problem too ? Of course, i tried reinstal ATKACPI driver and hotkey.

BSoulMan
09-16-2012, 11:37 PM
Reboot your machine and try Fn+F3, then press and hold Fn+F4.


Hi, i used your modded version of bios. Everything is working fine, now i can play games without laggs but one thing isnīt working. I canīt turn on the light under keyboard, another functions as brightness,volume or turn off displey works. Guys do u have this problem too ? Of course, i tried reinstal ATKACPI driver and hotkey.

Zygomorphic
09-17-2012, 01:15 AM
Reboot your machine and try Fn+F3, then press and hold Fn+F4.

I have seen that with LINUX that the keyboard lights turn off when the computer sleeps and do not come back on automatically when the computer is woken up. The moment you press the key combination to dim the lights they come on. Go figure. :confused:

games4lyf22
11-15-2012, 09:42 PM
I was asking for help about my FPS fluctuation abnormality of my G74Sx-3De
I was getting higher FPS yet, always fluctuating to 10FPS
and I found this miracle.

1st I used the ThrotleStop which is also Legit.
though it is temporary.
and I tried your Permanent Fix
and it works like a Charm.

Regards From Philippines :D

Scripts18
11-18-2012, 09:24 PM
Could you put a fix (for BIOS) for the G53sx please?

DaemonXR
12-04-2012, 10:43 AM
I own G74SX and notice some downspike in FarCry 3. It keep smooth gameplay at 60 fps (capped) and suddenly goes to 20-25 fps and then back to 60. Is it related to throttling?
What is HM65 chipset? Is this sandy bridge? Thoes this has anything with Asus official information posted by Chastity in another thread?

DaemonXR
12-06-2012, 12:31 PM
Nothing new to this thread? I recon, all G series owners switch to another manufacturers :)
I got it=>HM65 is SandyBridge
So since i am fresh owner of G74SX i do noticed some strange stutter/lag in some CPU intensive games and thought this is badly optimized engine (biggest in FarCry 3).
I do some tests to be sure i have or not have throttling issues, and guess what???
Yeah, yall with same throttling problem can welcome me in the club:)

First i unparked all cores/threads with ParkControll64 to be able to use all threads in computing and HT!
For test i run FurMark and Prime 95 without ThrottleStop (TS off in first picture).You can see results below VV
After that same test with TS on, it is clearly as a sunny day :)

1460714608

DaemonXR
12-06-2012, 12:38 PM
So as always have smile on my face and try to keep calm, but....
I feel tricked again (yeah, i had issues, a lot of issues, with T7C and Asus support/service, before)!
Probably not the only one here. This is the way they thanx for custome loyalty!
So what would be course off action for me?
I mean they are selling gaming laptops which are not capable of running games without third party and users tweaks...
I mean WTF ppl WTF.
Any comment from ASUS side?

Again, its a kinda nice day, so i will go to walk nature lil bit and keep smiling :)

Stay tuned, geeeez...

kalashnikov
12-06-2012, 03:30 PM
Could you put a fix (for BIOS) for the G53sx please?

I have that model with similar problems, i would need it as well as you.

I have a electronics store and Asus is the band most sold here. We sold several times G53Sx and G74 on last months and our customers are angry because of this kind of trouble on a high-end laptop. Also we sold this brand new models in time of the Windows 8 promotion, and you give no support on this update. Please, give us some support, the main reason we use to sell Asus is high quality and great support. Help us and we will help you.

P.D. Sry for my english, i am spanish.

DaemonXR
12-07-2012, 11:09 AM
Yeah, i am really pissed. I can play now all games lag free. And this is really something i cant digest!
I pay 2000 USD for this machine to found out it is failure build in from start!
What a disgrace and shame!

DaemonXR
12-19-2012, 01:07 PM
I got interesting phone call from ASUS 2day :)
i don't know what or when will be remedied regarding BIOS update but its nice thing they call me anyway and ask me details bout throttling issue....

murkantilism
12-26-2012, 02:33 AM
My CPU's Core Speed and Multiplier became sluggish and inconsistent out of nowhere earlier today. My Intel i7 Q720 is supposed to run at 1.6Ghz, but when I run basic programs (like Google Chrome, Steam, Microsoft Office) it falls to 930Mhz with a multiplier of 7.0.

I checked my power plan settings. When I switch from a lesser plan like Power4Gear Battery Saving to Power4Gear High Performance, the CPU speed shoots up ~2300Mhz (2.3Ghz) and the multiplier up to 20-21. However after 30 seconds it begins to falter, falling to 1700Mhz, then back up to 2000Mhz, then down to 1100Mhz, back up/down/up/down until the speed eventually settles back to 930Mhz after 1-2 minutes.

I did a lot of reading on Asus ROG forums and tried some solutions. I installed ThrottleStop, which resulted in the same phenomenon as switching power plans (the up/down/up/down fluctuation until settling back at 930Mhz).

I also downloaded the latest Bios update from the Asus website (213). Even though my bios is at the latest version, I tried reflashing it using Asus EZ Flash as per the forums suggestions. Flashing the bios seemed to have worked fine at first, but after about 10 minutes when I ran the same basic programs (Chrome, Steam) the CPU speed fell back to 930Mhz. I tried a second reflashing of the bios, no change.

Lastly, I think that my laptop thinks the CPU temperatures are much higher than they actually are. After less than 30 minutes of use, my laptop will shut down. While running, I monitor the CPU speed and temps with CPU-Z and ThrottleStop. They tell me the CPU is at 100 degrees celsius after running for only a few minutes, but the computer doesn't feel hot at all.

Is there a concrete permanent solution for these problems? Scouring various forum threads hasn't helped thus far.

DaemonXR
12-30-2012, 02:32 AM
Something really messy. You sure about this cpu Temp? How old is your G74SX? You sure that your heat sinks are not clogged with dust and debris?

alifistiaque
12-31-2012, 10:27 AM
what is the model of the 3d glass of g53s series? is there any update to its ram?

Vulgar
01-14-2013, 03:18 AM
I have an:
Asus G74Sx-TH71 BIOS 203
Windows 8 Pro 64-bit
i7-2670QM @ 2.2GHz (8 CPU)
16384MB RAM (16gigs)
Geforce GTX 560M 310.90 WHQL
DirectX 11

I am trying to max out and optimize my system for a modded out Skyrim.
I am using NVIDIA Inspector 1.9.6.8 and I have Throttlestop 5.00.

First off is Throttlestop even necessary or suggested for my rig (Win8 and all)?
If so can someone just simply tell me how to use or what settings to use in Throttlestop 5.00

Secondly what other programs or settings can I use to optimize my laptop for Skyrim. I have read many tweak guides, I have hundreds of hours tweaking out and playing Skyrim, but have yet to get it how I want it, now that I think I do have it how I want it I keep getting CTD's and freezes. I am actually getting very irratated but I don't want to give up on it, so will someone please in a comprehensive manner please help a brother out and just tell me wtf to do.

Please no links to a bunch of tech jargon that ends up not helping. Please no smart ass comments. And please no "There is already a post on that, did you see it here?" comments with a link, because yes I probably already saw it and it didn't help, and it is 2013 now and probably outdated. For instance this thread deals with Throttlestop 4.0, 5.1 is out now but i can't find it so I am using 5.0, which has a totally different interface.

So, if you can see the point I'm trying to make and can feel my pain, help me out if you can.
Please and Thank You

getmealive
01-17-2013, 01:22 AM
warning!! my G74sx bricked after update to this Bios fix and when I tried to change some settings in Bios

scyth_e
01-18-2013, 03:27 AM
I wish to find permanent fix for g73jh but there is no as i know. :(
Do u think i can use G73SW_AES_Throttle permanent fix for G73JH?
Probably stupid question.

ThatsBS
01-26-2013, 07:11 AM
Is this throttling issue a common problem for majority of user?

Appreciate if users can PM me, in turn i will collate them all and revert them back to rightful dept.

Thanks

Hi, just seen this. Yes it is an isse for me playing league of legends and other games as well, but what is of real concern is that I am on a G74sx-3de laptop. This happens when in 3d as well as when 3d is off.....
Thanks

scyth_e
03-05-2013, 01:35 AM
Hi, I have read in other forum this issue is relating to g73jh too. In this thread it isn't subscribed. It is true? If yes how can i test it?

Vulgar
07-12-2013, 05:28 AM
It seems Asus doesn't care about it's customers, why not release a new live updater that will work and update our computers? why are there no updated drivers for Windows 8 in the drivers download section of the main Asus site? why can't i use UEFI bios utility? why I have my notebook and I been treated like we were obsolete since the day I bought the thing? I want answers. Why did support completely drop off?

ZazOufUmI
07-22-2013, 10:32 AM
This fix seems to resolve problem with F1 2012

kb0sdq
07-22-2013, 02:35 PM
Question, my G73jh from bestbuy has the Clarksfeild processor is that affected also?

Thanks in advance,
Happy ROG_n
Doug

Aphilli4
08-01-2013, 09:42 PM
Another G74 survives a flash. AES enables and BD disabled. No more throttlestop for me! It cures the large FPS spilkes in WOW when raiding. Well worth the effort. If only we could oc 2630qm.... I'll be staying way clear of that cpu flex ratio setting!

Bulwyf
08-20-2013, 06:22 AM
i know that a lot of people asked this but...is the permanent solution working on the g53sx?

Morten
12-09-2013, 11:27 PM
Hello, i installed the fixed bios, but if i run a full prime 95 my cpu is 2.6ghz, a bit later goes to 2.3 and Down to 2.0. Its at trottle?

The same happent with trottlestop 5. Its that normal ? How to test it Working?

Cyberix92
01-03-2014, 04:22 AM
After I installed fix I have no noticeable fps drops in Counter-Strike Global Offensive. Ty for this! :)

BUT, Intel Boost Monitor still shows that CPU is capped at 2.6-2.7, how come? Is one of my cores dying (I checked temp and 1 of the cores was 6 degrees celcius lower than the other 3.

Zygomorphic
01-03-2014, 11:17 AM
@Cyberix, your cores are fine, if they were dying, other things would be happening. The temperature difference could be due to the physical location of the cores relative to the thermal grease, or other physical factors. As it stands, lower temps are better, so that's a good thing. :) Oh, and the frequency cap is normal if you have multiple cores running.

Cyberix92
01-05-2014, 06:37 AM
@Cyberix, your cores are fine, if they were dying, other things would be happening. The temperature difference could be due to the physical location of the cores relative to the thermal grease, or other physical factors. As it stands, lower temps are better, so that's a good thing. :) Oh, and the frequency cap is normal if you have multiple cores running.

Thanks, good to know :)

After playing some matches with new BIOS, I do got fps drops, alot actually (Need to stable it on 60-100fps), but still less than with OG BIOS. But it might just be the game afterall, the tick (64Kbit/s) is 2low for the game making it lag, but also when playing in 128 tick it's more stable (except for playing in ESEA, cause ESEA **** ur CPU up. Will try to get ESEA to run on 1 thread and see if that helps. :)

tanel_k
05-22-2014, 08:19 PM
thank u very much dkillone....my G74s works much smoother now!!! fps stays like it should be.. even wtih bf 4
one question...my temp stays near 80-84 when i play...IS it too high???

numanuk
05-23-2014, 12:45 PM
Just disable bd-prochot with latest bios and bios editor, FORMAT usb stick and flash bios. then uninstall throttlestop as it is now obsolete.

Wellington
08-05-2014, 06:28 PM
I have the G53SX and I'm not sure Throttlestop is working. I'm getting really low fps in CS:GO which irretates me. Will the BIOS update for the G53SW work for the SX as well?

terryallen
02-17-2015, 04:40 AM
OMG! I just did the flash for the 74sx and my computer doesn't turn back on! :(

terryallen
02-17-2015, 05:31 AM
Now after reading everything on here, I know the laptop is toast! I'm so mad right now! I even used the USB method and my laptop is now a brick! I got it at an excellent price, now I'll return it to get my money back. For what I paid for it, I'm losing big time! Oh well...I truly enjoyed it the few days I've had it and will be looking to get another one if not better!

thetweaker
02-19-2015, 08:04 AM
Working fine on asus g53sw whit 460gtx. ruinning skyrim on ultra whit no problems.

thetweaker
02-19-2015, 02:05 PM
I was just playing SC2, and really there is alot of change, playing everything on ultra and there is no lag at all,, steady fps no drops ,good job!

thetweaker
03-09-2015, 02:21 PM
Fan speed is low? sometimes the Gpu CAn get pretty hot and get some render spikes

Camelonian
01-28-2016, 08:40 PM
Came across this post and wanted to share that ThrottleStop is up to version 8 now, and you can create a run task to get this to work at startup with elevated permissions to get through UAC. Some neat features on there, going to stress test it with Diablo 3 and League of Legends and will report back on how the G73SW (Bios 205) performed.

Saw some posts about possibly needing a better power supply, anyone know any additional information on that or was that for other specific laptops that needed this fix as well?

kimiraikkonen
04-02-2018, 09:15 PM
Was G53JW affected by this problem? It is not in the list.