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bubblegunz
10-13-2012, 08:35 PM
Okey guys, here it is. My g75 is almost brand new, and a friend of mine owns the Alienware m17x. He bought it a month or 2 back. We wanted to test them one against the other, and see which one is better supposedly. Now, none of them are overclocked, or anything like it. It is the original laptops, out of the box test. Now I have to say, 2 days ago my new drivers for my NVIDIA G670m came out, so it was my way of testing them out. So the 2 laptop specs were as follows:
ASUS G75VW:
Intel® Core™ i7 3610QM Processor
DDR3 1600 MHz SDRAM 16 GB SDRAM
NVIDIA® GeForce® 670M with 3GB GDDR5 VRAM
Price of 3299 BGN (ONE EURO = 2BGN)

ALIENWARE M17X:
3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3630QM
8GB (2 X 4GB) Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz
AMD Radeon™ HD 7970M with 2GB GDDR5
Price of 5344 BGN (ONE EURO = 2BGN)

We began with a 3DMARK11 test. The ASUS (mine) scored 3225, and the alienware scored 3767. So the AW was better at this test, as expected, but not by much I have to say. Now we went into the more serious testing. We went into WOW (world of warcraft) first, and put all the settings on ULTRA. We had 8x Multisampling on both laptops. I logged with my char, he logged with his. The ASUS scored 37-45 FPS in the middle of TRADE DISTRICT with dozens of people arround. The AW did 40-48 FPS. That was amazing, since his video card, should outperform mine by miles, but it was not the case at all. We next went into BF3 where my friend was sure he would outperform me. We put it all on ultra. My laptop amazingly stayed at a constant 32-40 FPS and his did a steady 39-44 FPS. I think this was amazing, since I expected under 30fps, but the game ran smoothly and amazingly fine. Next what we did was, we did some animations on both laptops. Now we did the same pre-themed animations on 3DSTUDIO max and during the whole time the ASUS loaded faster. At the end, the animation was rendered much faster by the ASUS, then the AW. We did a video on SonyVegas, consisting of the same slides, and both laptops rendered almost for the same time, but again the ASUS was just a tiny bit faster. Now we played a hardcore graphictest video which I had on a flash-drive and downloaded it to both, and the results were again astonishing. My ASUS did a steady 17-23 fps, and the AW did 21-26 FPS. I am amazed. I have had an Alienware before, I used one, but I decided to go with ASUS this time arround. I wanted to test it out. I do not regret it at all. A couple of days ago I started having regretts, especially when I looked at the benchmarks floating arround the net of the AW M17X, but at a head 2 head test, the results we got, amazed me, and my friend. We found out s/thing else as well. In daylight, especially in the morning, my friend was not able to see his display AT ALL :). I am soo happy I have a matte display to be honest.
Now, the lighting system on the alienware is a kewl feature, but to be honest, my personal taste, is not for those kinds of things. I think that DELL and RAZER go too much for those useless but kewl gadgets, and Asus is more straight forward. You got your ROG button to change your profiles, and it is mutch more effective and actually helpfull. The actual backlit on both keyboards is great, you see the buttons nicely. The alienware my friend admitted, that it is too fat in the front, so it is uncomfortable for the hands. Me personally, I have no such problems with the G75, since it is angled down from back to front.

I am loving this laptop after all. I had doubts that the video-card is too bad, but it obviously is not. It is a great laptop, and I will be more keen on buying the new G76 as soon as it comes out (unless Asus offers an payed upgrade service, which will be great). I hope I was helpfull, if anyone still has questions whether they should buy an Asus or an Alienware. To me the ASUS is more bang for the buck, but still the alienware is a bit better performencewise. Anyway I made a great investment, and I don't regret it, not anymore (I did at first, as I mentioned after I saw the benchmarks floating arround the net).

mrwolf
10-13-2012, 08:41 PM
Nice :)
Would be cool to see the same tests with both of these babies fully OC'd ? That would definatly bring some interesting conclusions.

bignazpwns
10-13-2012, 08:54 PM
Um there is something seriously wrong with that MX17 because that MX 17 punts the G75 across the room. 3D Mark 11 the 7970 scores around 5800 and is slightly slower then a GTX 680m. The 7970 is way faster then that GTX 670m.

If you do a comparison make it fair because that Alienware is running much slower then what it should be.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

The 7970 is much faster then the GTX 670m in fact is almost faster then 2 GTX 675m's

bubblegunz
10-13-2012, 09:07 PM
Um there is something seriously wrong with that MX17 because that MX 17 punts the G75 across the room. 3D Mark 11 the 7970 scores around 5800 and is slightly slower then a GTX 680m. The 7970 is way faster then that GTX 670m.

If you do a comparison make it fair because that Alienware is running much slower then what it should be.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

The 7970 is much faster then the GTX 670m in fact is almost faster then 2 GTX 675m's

the Alienware worked at its pace for 7970, ussually it is that fast, but the ASUS was incredible. That was the amazing part. I did not expect such high results. I mean with WOW for example it depends on outside factors as well, but with the BF3, as I said, I expected under 30 fps., arround 25-28, but it was mutch faster. The 7970m always has been working at the pace that it has on this test, and the 3DMARK test, has always been arround 3.7-3.8k for it, so on the AW side, it did what was expected. Why my Asus did so good, now that is the question I still cannot answer myself.

bignazpwns
10-13-2012, 09:38 PM
The G75 was preformaing normal the Alienware has issues

You dident do any testing lol. If you did you would see the Alienware is not running like it should. I mean the way it looks is that you guys ran the Alienware on the battery just to gimp the score to make the G75 look good. Trust me i seen it all.


I mean im not trying to flame you but your trying to make it look like the GTX 670m and the HD 7970m are close in terms of speed and they are not even close the HD 7970m destroys the GTX 670m. Your putting out bad info. I personally used a MX17 and i know for a fact with a HD 7970m the system hits over 5500 in 3dmark 11.

The fact is if that card was running at full power the results would be much diff. And also remember that some games run stronger on Nvidia based systems then AMD. Usually when you compare systems with diff GPu's you wanna cross check them to see how the games handles them


I got a GTX 660m that's over 3.7k in 3dmark 11 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4392361 and that's the same setting i run every day. I have had much higher 3Dmark 11 scores. I would love to baleave that my GTX 660m is faster then a HF 7970m but its not.


I do not want anyone thinking that the GTX 670m,675m are this close to the HD 7970m because they are not. The HD 7970m is in the class of the GTX 680m

bubblegunz
10-13-2012, 10:32 PM
No, no, no the AW graphic's card is obviously mutch better. It scores 1/4 better at benchmarking then the 670m. The thing I wanted to say is that the 670 will do the job just fine. If you run CRISIS on both, probs the fps difference will be mutch bigger. I am just happy with my G-Series. The 7970m though has less power to el. consumption ratio then the 670m. I am a fan of NVIDIA, because AMD make powerfull cards, but they are not perfected. And yes, those games probably were optimised for the NVIDIA, but trust me, the AW was plugged in, and the tests were legit. You will not get more then 45 fps on a 7970 in BF3 I guarantee you. Unless it is overclocked, and then I have no idea how high it can go. Probs about to 50-55. But although the AMD card is better, the GTX does the job just fine. The rendering on the ASUS was faster, probs because of the RAM. Overall, the AW is the better performence package as I said, but I am happy with my G-series. But yes, I hope they put a last generation maxed out video card on the G-76. Then ASUS might become the best in the business.

moqel
10-14-2012, 12:14 AM
G75 rocks at gaming. I also sometimes look at AW as a possible alternative,
but not making the switch because my Asus never let me down...

I have one question - did you pay attention to GPU temperatures when
you run your tests? I am curious how hot Alienware gets when playing games.

Woots
10-14-2012, 03:14 AM
No, no, no the AW graphic's card is obviously mutch better. It scores 1/4 better at benchmarking then the 670m. The thing I wanted to say is that the 670 will do the job just fine. If you run CRISIS on both, probs the fps difference will be mutch bigger. I am just happy with my G-Series. The 7970m though has less power to el. consumption ratio then the 670m. I am a fan of NVIDIA, because AMD make powerfull cards, but they are not perfected. And yes, those games probably were optimised for the NVIDIA, but trust me, the AW was plugged in, and the tests were legit. You will not get more then 45 fps on a 7970 in BF3 I guarantee you. Unless it is overclocked, and then I have no idea how high it can go. Probs about to 50-55. But although the AMD card is better, the GTX does the job just fine. The rendering on the ASUS was faster, probs because of the RAM. Overall, the AW is the better performence package as I said, but I am happy with my G-series. But yes, I hope they put a last generation maxed out video card on the G-76. Then ASUS might become the best in the business.

I appreciate you posting this and your enthusiasm. I am with you in the mind set that you do not need to drop $2.5-3+ grand (USA cash) to get high end gaming. It's true that more money buys you better bench scores. However, there is a point when you are just chasing benchmarks or e-peening to justify the expense to yourself (which is cool, I been through that phase more than once on my main systems I build). However, a system that games great without lag can be had for way less money. Also, insane bench scores are not needed to game like champ at current generation games.

The real advantage of buying high end setups is they have more longevity in terms of not needing a new upgrade so soon. It can be argued though that the money you save going middle of the road can be better spent buying a full system upgrade once a generation cycle vs buying an extreme system every 2 generation cycles. (by generation cycles I am speakin major cpu updates and major gpu updates holistically)

As for our G75 I agree, this system with its humble video card has amazed me at every step... you don't need to have the highest end video card to have good gaming ever. It's why lower end (200-300) buck video card market i so big on the PC building side. I myself usually always buy the 500+ model because I like the 2 generation upgrade path (vs once a new one every gen). Therefore I know our G75 will get chuggy slow in next gen games in around 1.5-2 years, but still hold its own. In 3-4 years it will not please me anymore and make me sad :). This is technology though that's just the hobby we are in. :) For now I love my G75 and have no regrets in my purchase!

PS: welcome to the family!

bignazpwns
10-14-2012, 07:30 AM
No, no, no the AW graphic's card is obviously mutch better. It scores 1/4 better at benchmarking then the 670m. The thing I wanted to say is that the 670 will do the job just fine. If you run CRISIS on both, probs the fps difference will be mutch bigger. I am just happy with my G-Series. The 7970m though has less power to el. consumption ratio then the 670m. I am a fan of NVIDIA, because AMD make powerfull cards, but they are not perfected. And yes, those games probably were optimised for the NVIDIA, but trust me, the AW was plugged in, and the tests were legit. You will not get more then 45 fps on a 7970 in BF3 I guarantee you. Unless it is overclocked, and then I have no idea how high it can go. Probs about to 50-55. But although the AMD card is better, the GTX does the job just fine. The rendering on the ASUS was faster, probs because of the RAM. Overall, the AW is the better performence package as I said, but I am happy with my G-series. But yes, I hope they put a last generation maxed out video card on the G-76. Then ASUS might become the best in the business.

lol a 1/4? By your math my GTX 660m is faster then the HD 7970m. Lets see the HD 7970 does what 5900 on a bad day 3Dmark 11. "Yes more then what you got but your results are not valid as you gimed the system or that system is so FUBAR its not even funny and that thing needs a RMA bad." The GTX 670m does what 3300-3500 on a good day. Thats a pretty big gap there and GTX 670m's dont scale that great so the fact is the HD 7970m is faster then a GTX 670m or GTX 675m sli setup.

You say the test are legit but anyone who knows how to read can see your test were not lol. Fact is that MX17 was either on the battery or your making up numbers because i called a guy who has a maxed out MX17 with a HD 7970m in it and he ran 3DMark for about 20 times at stock clocks and never got anything under a 5700 and funning thing is he pulled close to what you got running on the battery.


You can try to act like you know what your doing but anyone who knows anything about GPU's can tell that if a HD 7970m is only hitting 3700 in 3dmark 11 it was on the battery or it was not running a HD 7970m at all. You can look up the stock numbers pretty easy and you can check the 3dmark 11 result data base and see the HD 7970m averages 5874 and the GTX 670m only averages 2834. The current top for a GTX 670m is 4103 running 850 on the core. What is not even close to the lowest HD 7970m



But woots your right about the whole $2-3g system. My main system was a little more then $5k running SLI GTX 680m's. Overkill if you play at 1920X1080. However i play on a display that has a res of 2560x1600. Now their is a heafy hit going from 1920X1080 to that. This is why we have SLI. And then when you play at that res in 3D it will bring even the best systems to their knees. Like a wow maxed out at 1920X1080 in 3D the GTX 680m barley has enough power to play it without dipping into the low laggy frames at times. But not everyone uses 3D in that case the card is pretty overkill for that game unless you pass the 1920X1080 res and go to large areas like the jade forest.

About maybe 1-5% of gamers will use the power from the systems that use SLi and GTX 680's and HD 7970's. Most could be using a slower card and never see a diff. But people who game in 3D and at the higher res's need the stronger card. A GTX 670m will get hit hard in games running 3D with the settings maxed.


All that said do i defend Alienware? Nope their systems are all $500 over priced. I did a cross review of the MX17 and G75 on notebook review and the MX17 i had was the same specs outside of having a 7200rpm drive and a lower res screen but it was $500 more. But they do have great in home support and if you got the $500 to spend i say go with them as Asus support is pretty bad and rma's are long and every dell system i had my stuff was fixed next day in my house what is awesome.

You cant compair a lower middle class last gen "Fermi" gpu against a current gen flag ship Gpu. This is 2 diff. tiers of GPU's. That gpu is closer to the HD 6970m..well about 3% slower but 3% is really nothing.

And as for real world gaming i did do some test between the HD 6970m and the HD 7970m when the 7970m came out and in D3 maxed at 1920X1080 the HD 7970m was hitting 103fps vs the hd 6970m's 62fps. I mean in raw power is almost 2 X faster then the HD 6970m what makes it 2 X faster then you GTX 670m "I have a GTX 670m here and i can confirm my friend HD 7970m gets quite a few more fps in games then my GTX 670m can"


Now when we go current gen GTX 670mx stock it is slower then the HD 7970m but in the G75 the GTX 670mx can overclock to match and be slightly faster then a stock HD 7970m. Keep in mind the new mx is a kepler like the GTX 660m and 680m but brings some impressive specs aand overclocks extremely well.

I have been benchmarking cards and systems for over 10 years. I know every trick people use. I know how fast every card is i also know how to check the average scores and overclocks. I have been benching for team 32 for a long time so its hard for people to pull one over on me.



Also to Moqel the Alienware docent really get to hot as long as its not laying flat. Temps are the same in my G75 when i ran a MX17 but you do have to have the MX17 lifted lightly or on a pad. The G75 uses better fans "More blades" So they do move more air at lower RPM's so the Alienware is a little louder then the Asus. If i remember the load temps were about 63c running prime on the Alienware and my G75 does about 61c

freefall
10-14-2012, 07:47 AM
@bignazpwns No offence mate, but it seems that you are hating it out big time now. There is no single GPU which is from the same class that will beat 2 GPUs in SLI from that same class. What you are saying is total bull****! If you are so defensive on the alienware and know that is soooo much better, what are you doing wasting your time explaining how good it is?? I doubt you are going to change the minds of all of us that AW is the best. In a matter of fact it is so overpriced that it does not matter the 10+ or whatsoever frames per second. For 1 AW you can buy 2 G75s which is hilarious! And by the way, even if the AW was on battery power as you stated so surely, it wouldn't run any game without stuttering.

WontonNoodle
10-14-2012, 08:27 AM
7970 blows away all mobile cards cept for 680... update your ati drivers

bubblegunz
10-14-2012, 08:58 AM
I got a GTX 660m that's over 3.7k in 3dmark 11 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4392361 and that's the same setting i run every day. I have had much higher 3Dmark 11 scores. I would love to baleave that my GTX 660m is faster then a HF 7970m but its not.


so your GTX660m outperformed by 1/4 my 670M which is 15% faster and ussually scores 3.170-3.190, but this time arround it did better, and you with your lower-priced GPU scored 600 more? Dude please... either this means, I didn't have electricity as well, since I should score 4.2-4.4k at least, and the AW then should be at a steady 5k. What you are claiming is just impossibru. The only explanation could be, if we didn't have electricity at the time, but I really think we did have. Although the PC room is dark, I am 99% sure the electricity was on. Anyway I will call my guy again to do benches, and give you the links, since you are so annoying :).

and btw, read your LINK -
YOUR RESULT HAS THE FOLLOWING PROBLEM(S):
Graphics driver is not approved (What is this?)

c_man
10-14-2012, 10:06 AM
You can get a 4k score in G75 with 670M without any problems.

7970 still has driver problems? Damn, it's months now.

TSC-Ops
10-14-2012, 11:12 PM
next time clean install both and only install drivers , bloat ware is a killer, and i see he has less ram and probably a slow 5400 rpm hd

ForCeV
10-15-2012, 03:04 AM
HahA Wa... I should laugh on look at this post. I like to see that 670m vs 7970m looks similar on your point. However, you should give a right information to people who don't know well about 670m and 7970m. I had a AW with 7970m and 670m with g75vw. I definitely play and work well with AW+7970m. It is really decent laptop on the performance part, but I should go Asus because of noise fan when the game is running on highest option + keyboard surface temperature.

I definitely can say that simply performance part 7970m is 50 to 60% outstanding performance than 670m in game.

Shawnnepc
10-15-2012, 02:47 PM
You can get a 4k score in G75 with 670M without any problems.

7970 still has driver problems? Damn, it's months now.

Yup.


In this is why I won't ever sell laptops/desktops with AMD products in them :)

@OP


Even with the driver issues the 7970m should destroy the sub 6xx series.

Knowing Dell's QA, im 100% sure they screwed something up

c_man
10-15-2012, 04:45 PM
Hihi. Well, indeed, even if the card is used like 50%. Anyway, AMD will let go about 30% of it's workers.

bignazpwns
10-15-2012, 05:32 PM
Yup.


In this is why I won't ever sell laptops/desktops with AMD products in them :)

@OP


Even with the driver issues the 7970m should destroy the sub 6xx series.

Knowing Dell's QA, im 100% sure they screwed something up

They do have a fix out that works pretty good.

chrsplmr
10-16-2012, 12:24 AM
In this is why I won't ever sell laptops/desktops with AMD products in them

Surely you jest goodSir ???
What rig would you like to 'game' next to a CrossHair V with 2x7970's ???
(In all fairness you did say 'sell'.)

I still say let the 'aliens' play with those ... And pay the extra coins.c.

bignazpwns
10-16-2012, 01:01 AM
People should not hate on AMD's. The A10 based systems are pretty nice and for around $600 plays games pretty good. I use to hate AMD but trinity has earned a lot of respect from me and are now the systems I recamend most unless your gaming and going with a gt 650 or higher.

Shawnnepc
10-16-2012, 01:31 PM
Surely you jest goodSir ???
What rig would you like to 'game' next to a CrossHair V with 2x7970's ???
(In all fairness you did say 'sell'.)

I still say let the 'aliens' play with those ... And pay the extra coins.c.


From a support standpoint AMD is terrible

There's also no incentive to sell AMD products.


If someone comes in and wants AMD i'll sell it

chrsplmr
10-16-2012, 03:05 PM
From a support standpoint AMD is terrible
There's also no incentive to sell AMD products.
If someone comes in and wants AMD i'll sell it

Makes sound business sense to me.
Amd is financially crushed .. I think you have identified the two most significant
deficiencies (<<i before e except after c does not apply here .. heheh .. btw.)
of 'their' business model ... and another one of my favorite 'A' companies as well.
They should stand by those that stand by them. Double-Win works every time it is tried.

Think of the potential .. and the new apu's ect .. Im rooting for both teams.
XPack reminded me of why again just this morning ..
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?24070-Vantage-HW-WR-Radeon-7950-(single-gpu)...*****
Salute.c.

Zygomorphic
10-17-2012, 12:54 AM
Makes sound business sense to me.
Amd is financially crushed .. I think you have identified the two most significant
deficiencies (<<i before e except after c does not apply here .. heheh .. btw.)
of 'their' business model ... and another one of my favorite 'A' companies as well.
They should stand by those that stand by them. Double-Win works every time it is tried.

Think of the potential .. and the new apu's ect .. Im rooting for both teams.
XPack reminded me of why again just this morning ..
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?24070-Vantage-HW-WR-Radeon-7950-(single-gpu)...*****
Salute.c.

@chrsplmr, you are right!! Never really thought of that before! @Shawnnepc, that is what the free-market economy is all about...prices come down, quality goes up, and everyone (including the government) wins! :) Company gets our money, government gets its taxes, and we get our products and still have more money to spend (to give them more money and the gov't more taxes) :o