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HiVizMan
11-22-2012, 11:39 AM
ROG December VGA Challenge

Time for the Fanbois to step up and be counted. Which team will come out on top? The Red Team or the Green?

Starts 24th November 12 Noon GMT
Close 24th December 11:59 AM GMT

Benchmarks
Both benchmarks need to be submitted to have a valid submission.

3DMark Vantage – Performance setting – Download (http://www.3dmark.com/3dmarkvantage/download/)

UNIGINE HEAVEN - XTREME PRESET (DX11) – Download (http://91.121.148.119/downloads/hwbot_unigine_heaven_v103/)


Rules

Submission screenshot
• An open CPUz showing the frequency, RAM frequency tab and motherboard.
• An open GPUz
• The open benchmark clearly showing the relevant settings and individual test scores where applicable.

Official Challenge Wallpaper to be used. Will be available on Friday. (http://rog.asus.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14116&d=1353636336)

Examples of both benchmark screenshots

Courtesy of Andre Yang
14086

14087



Challenge is open to all ROG forum members

Restrictions
• CPU and GPU have to be at the same frequency for both submissions
• No ROG connect to be used – if a result is unbelievably good it normally means it is.
• Air and Water cooling only
• Latest versions of both benchmarks to be used.
• Vantage CPU score is to be maximum 50000.

Three Categories
• Single Card – one video card only and the submission is within the restrictions of the challenge.
• Multi Card – more than one video card and is within the restrictions of the challenge.
• Open – Go big, go hard and set new PB. No restrictions only for the brave or foolish.

Submissions to include
• List of hardware used
• Frequency of CPU and of GPU core and memory
• Method of cooling
• Unigene benchmark result and supporting screenshot
• 3DMark Vantage result and supporting screenshot

Each result will be provided an ER (Efficiency Rating) based on the hardware used. The only exception is the Open Class – only results count here.

Sandbagging will not be allowed, if you do not participate in the thread from the beginning and or make submissions in the early stages your results will be ignored in the final standing – my challenge so my rules. :D



Most Importantly.

This is all about having fun, not about winning. This is all about learning stuff about your hardware and pushing your tweaking skills, not about winning. And most importantly if I have not yet said this, it is about having fun. :cool:

HiVizMan
11-22-2012, 11:39 AM
Leader Board is up

Final Standing in the Challenge



Single Card - XPack


Dual Card - Dartmaul


Open Class - Xrkc6x

15601

My congratulations go to ALL who participated and my personal thanks for your submissions. I had a huge amount of fun doing the challenge, and made a new friend in the process. Sorry that you did not end up as the overall winner Dart but next time. :)

And to Menthol well done on getting the overall win, even though you did not take a class win your battle for single card was epic. Well done sir on the huge improvements you have shown.

And finally to 8 Pack, May I stand and salute you sir for your outstanding efforts this last year that culminated in you taking the world record for single card Vantage. May that be a taste of what is still to come.

Dartmaul
11-22-2012, 01:08 PM
So you'll be watching at overall vantage score, not GPU?

HiVizMan
11-22-2012, 01:35 PM
That is correct, the CPU score is a restriction - the total benchmark result is what I will be using for the ER..

Arne Saknussemm
11-22-2012, 02:39 PM
Excellent! Let the games begin....we who are about to bench salute you :-)

Luumi
11-22-2012, 11:35 PM
Oh, so no 5.3ghz 3930k for this contest :(. Heh sounds fun, but I really want to get rid of the gpu-z hard lock thingy. It really gives me a head ache.

Rockford
11-22-2012, 11:47 PM
• Open – Go big (xtreme), go hard and set new PB. No restrictions only for the brave or foolish.

sound great.. Welcome to Thunderdome..

No restrictions, whatsoever, when it comes to core/ram mhz? (cpu(gpu)???

Zka17
11-23-2012, 12:01 AM
Wonderful! Two benchmarks at once... it suppose to be a real fun! :cool:

I won't be able to submit results in this challenge (couple thousand miles between my gear and me), but may I bee the main cheerleader?

Wish you all patience, perseverance - and, of course; GOOD LUCK!

Menthol
11-23-2012, 05:46 AM
• Open – Go big (xtreme), go hard and set new PB. No restrictions only for the brave or foolish.

sound great.. Welcome to Thunderdome..

No restrictions, whatsoever, when it comes to core/ram mhz? (cpu(gpu)???
Can we start by submitting single GPU scores then Multi-GPU's??
Welcome to Thunderdome, I like that X Pack,
(Brave or foolish),
I resemble the second description
Zka,
Gonna miss you my friend, have a good time and return safely

HiVizMan
11-23-2012, 09:06 AM
Open means just that - it is only about the score. Anything legal goes, if you are not sure about what is legal and what is not just ask. But you can use liquid helium if you want to cool your VGA or use a PCIe extender and try to use 8 VGA if it was possible. What ever tickles your fancy.

Menthol you can do what ever you like, and yes you are welcome to take part in all three sections here.



Challenge link is up.

Again thanks to the usual suspect for making the wallpaper.

Arne Saknussemm
11-23-2012, 09:36 AM
Aw :( Zka17 I could have sworn that when you made that double decker bench rig you'd have put wheels and a tow bar on it for travelling. Maybe next time.

Nice one Usual(c) Suspect(p) ;)

Finishing on the 24th we should have a ROG benchers Advent calendar!

Luumi
11-23-2012, 05:37 PM
Anyone else facing Run-time error 13 Type mismatch after completing unigine dx11 run? Seems pretty confusing,

Rockford
11-23-2012, 06:36 PM
I noticed that some members already is starting to warm up..

;o)

kkn
11-23-2012, 06:42 PM
my HWheaven wont work....... something about runtime error 076, and a path error before that.

Dartmaul
11-23-2012, 07:42 PM
I noticed that some members already is starting to warm up..

;o)
My 1st pair of screenshots are waiting for challenge start)

Luumi
11-23-2012, 10:47 PM
Thanks to Dartmaul I sorted out the problem with HWBOT Unigine. So for all you who are getting run-time errors try this: Open Region and Language format (Control panel > Clock language and region > Region and Language > Format > Additional settings) and set "Decimal symbol" to "." (dot).

HiVizMan
11-24-2012, 12:02 PM
So you guys are keen em.

Can't wait for this one to start either.

Dartmaul
11-24-2012, 12:04 PM
SINGLE GPU

Hardware:
RIVE 3101 BIOS Watercooled
3930k C2 Watercooled
G.Skill RipjawsZ 2133MHz (4x4) Stock Air cooling
Sapphire HD7970 Stock Air cooling

CPU Frequency 4800MHz
VGA Frequency 1250/1820MHz

Heaven score 3270.909
14146

Vantage score 45812 (44866GPU 48905CPU)
14147

First :o

Arne Saknussemm
11-24-2012, 01:37 PM
DUAL CARD ENTRY

3930K in RIVE, G.Skill Z series 1600Mhz, GTX 680 DcuIITop SLI
CPU 4935Mhz, GPU 1242Boost, Mem 1680MHz
CPU Water-cooled GPUs Air-cooled

VANTAGE: 58787

HEAVEN: 4218.961

14177

14180

Getting heaven to run on latest Nvidia driver :eek:

HiVizMan
11-24-2012, 01:43 PM
And so it starts....

Arne Saknussemm
11-24-2012, 03:03 PM
if you are not sure about what is legal and what is not just ask

OK, so I'm asking :o Been reading about LOD and disabling tessellation etc. Not being a bonafide bencher, is this all grist to the mill in all three categories or only in open?

Rockford
11-24-2012, 03:16 PM
Hardware
Motherboard> Rampage Extreme IV X79 (ROG Edition)
Bios ver> 2003
Cpu> i7 3930K (C1)
Ram> Dominator 1866mhz quad (4X4gb) OC 1900mhz
Cpu OC> 4988 mhz..
Gpu> 1 X Radeon 7950, 1290/1720 Mhz
Psu> 1500w Dual rail..

H2o SuperChilled..

3d Mark Vantage score> 45735
FM Link>http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4416381

Heaven DX11 score>3138.369

14194

14197

driftingforlife
11-24-2012, 03:18 PM
Hardware:
RIVE 2105 BIOS
3930k C2 Watercooled
8GB duel channel Kingston Hyper X
Pailt GTX470 watercooled

CPU Frequency 4900MHz
VGA Frequency 900/1750MHz

Heaven score 1271.355

14186

Vantage score 25670

14187

flexnl
11-24-2012, 03:18 PM
i cant seem to set my pci-e 16x slot to 16x :(
it keeps on 8x even when i put NB PCIe configuration on GEN3 in bios
anyone know if there is any other way tho put it on 16x?
i have maximus V Gene mobo with giigabyte gtx 680 oc

ps..it doesnt seem to affect my graphics scores in benching ...pretty strange??
maybe it runs on 16x afterall?


HiVizMan Many tnxx again ... i received your present today in the mail...
think m gonna build me a 3rd rig haha :P

also.... wanna wish everyone best of luck and happy benching :D
:cool:

flexnl
11-24-2012, 03:41 PM
first submittion :)

for single card.....

asus MAX V GENE
i7 3770K (h100)
Gigabyte GTX 680 OC windforce
2x4 gb Mushkin redline DDR3 2133mhz

cpu clock @ 4980mhz
gpu clock @ 1267/1710

14190heaven score 2141 14191 Vantage score 39570

driftingforlife
11-24-2012, 03:43 PM
Hardware:
RIVE 2105 BIOS
3930k C2 Watercooled
8GB duel channel Kingston Hyper X
MSI Lighting GTX680 on air

CPU Frequency 4900MHz
VGA Frequency 1360/3900MHz

Heaven score 2529.253

14192

Vantage score 45541

14193

Dartmaul
11-24-2012, 04:09 PM
A lot of submissions and every of them with different card/amount.
HiVizMan will have to overclock his CPU to calculate our scores))

Menthol
11-24-2012, 04:15 PM
RIVE
3930k
gtx 680x1
Dominator Platinum 2400

14195

14196

HiVizMan
11-24-2012, 07:51 PM
WOW that is all I can say. I do not think in the history of on-line benching contests have there ever been so many submissions on opening day. And I mean ever. Thanks guys and welcome to one and all, old hands in our challenge and the 3 new guys too.

@Arne LOD and setting the tessellation levels is acceptable.

As to finding the right ER this challenge is going to 'challenge' me big time. It is for that reason I insisted on the 50000 CPU cap. I needed one constant for my equation to stand a chance of working. Please be patient for the first round of ER as I am sure I will have to fine tune my handicap for the different graphic cards.

Keep them coming guys. And could you clearly note in your submission which class you are entering into. And try to have all the data I need as text so that I only have to look at the image for verification.

Luumi
11-24-2012, 08:51 PM
My turn. Sadly my cards aren't good overclockers, but atleast I got some results. The gpu-z issue is still annoying, but it didn't stop me from getting the screenshots.

So, Rampage IV Extreme, BIOS 3101
3930k C2 watercooled 4959mhz
32Gb G.Skill Tridentx 2400 @ 2436 10-10-12-25 1T
2x7970 1180/1830 air cooled
Enermax Maxrevo 1200W
2x120gb Corsair force gt ssds

Unigine:
14201


Vantage
14202

HiVizMan
11-24-2012, 08:55 PM
I found that if I used GPUz ROG edition 0.6.0 I had no problems. With the latest one the application will not work.

Rockford
11-24-2012, 08:58 PM
I have had prob with different gpu-z versions.. After a race, when i am going to open the app, the system hang..

(a free account at Futuremark is a good investment, have saved me many times)..

do like this..

After benchmark, when doin screencut

Reset the gpu oc profile..
Launch the gpu-z
Apply the oc profile ..

Take screen cut..

It works..

Heavens.. If it hang. score is screwed.

have the gpu-z open from start (disable gpu-z updating senors)

I always keep em disabled..

HiVizMan
11-24-2012, 09:23 PM
i cant seem to set my pci-e 16x slot to 16x :(
it keeps on 8x even when i put NB PCIe configuration on GEN3 in bios
anyone know if there is any other way tho put it on 16x?
i have maximus V Gene mobo with giigabyte gtx 680 oc

ps..it doesnt seem to affect my graphics scores in benching ...pretty strange??
maybe it runs on 16x afterall?


HiVizMan Many tnxx again ... i received your present today in the mail...
think m gonna build me a 3rd rig haha :P

also.... wanna wish everyone best of luck and happy benching :D
:cool:

Pleased that the CPU got there safely.

And do not worry to much what GPUz does or does not show... your scores are in line with what I am expecting.

HiVizMan
11-24-2012, 09:30 PM
8 Entries within the first 8 hours is incredible. Thank you so much guys. Busy working on the ER as we speak and it is very much a work in progress. Found a big glitch with the algorithm thanks to the 470 entry. But rather find out now than later.

Luumi
11-24-2012, 11:19 PM
I tried 0.6.0 version that hivizman suggested with no luck, but I found a way around the issue while I benched unigine. When gpu clocks and voltages are constant, so in my case 1180 1.3v/1830 1.7v I got no issues when I tried to open gpu-z. If I ever try to open it after gpu stressing at power saving clocks (300/150) I always get a hard lock or bsod 0x101. So try this if you are facing the same issue.

Dartmaul
11-25-2012, 12:38 AM
Final for today I guess...

MULTI GPU

Hardware:
RIVE 3101 BIOS Watercooled
3930k C2 Watercooled
G.Skill RipjawsZ 2133MHz (4x4) Stock Air cooling
2 x Sapphire HD7970 Stock Air cooling

CPU Frequency 4920MHz
VGA Frequency 1235/1840MHz

Heaven score 5843.683 - I wanna see HiVizMan's sad face at this moment, please.
14203

Vantage score 63775 (70238GPU 49980CPU)
14204

HiVizMan
11-25-2012, 12:58 AM
LOL you think you have gone past me Dartmaul, have a look at the date of my submission. It was many months ago. :D :D

Maybe new drivers have improved scores hmm. And just maybe I have a few results that are not submitted to HWBOT since I no longer submit to them.


You are doing well and I salute you. :o

Dartmaul
11-25-2012, 01:14 AM
You have much frequency, and some better cooling, I'm sure.
But who cares, My score is superior than your's, my Kung Fu is better than your Kung Fu :p

Just kidding, you're the master here:o

HiVizMan
11-25-2012, 10:22 AM
You have much frequency, and some better cooling, I'm sure.
But who cares, My score is superior than your's, my Kung Fu is better than your Kung Fu :p

Just kidding, you're the master here:o

Ah but there always comes a time when the pupil becomes the master. And your scores are very very good. I bow down to your Kung fu.

Dartmaul
11-25-2012, 12:54 PM
14210
It's such a great honor to receive from you a praise ;)

Rockford
11-25-2012, 03:02 PM
Hardware
Motherboard> Rampage Extreme IV X79 (ROG Edition)
Bios ver> 2003
Cpu> i7 3930K (C1)
Ram> Dominator 1866mhz quad (4X4gb) OC 1900mhz
Cpu OC> 4988 mhz..
Gpu> 2 X Radeon 7950, 1290/1740 Mhz (Crossfire)
Psu> 1500w Dual rail..

H2o SuperChilled..

3d Mark Vantage score> 62167
FM Link> http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4418590

Heaven DX11 score> 4420,094
14212
14213

HiVizMan
11-25-2012, 03:09 PM
Very nice X Pack - need a few more dual card runs to get the equation sorted out and then can start posting ER for the guys.

So come on guys post some more results.

Henkenator68NL
11-25-2012, 07:27 PM
Hey Guys,

I see a new Challenge Nice!! I am in ... trying to improve myself !

I have been pretty sick for the last week, hope my health allows me to run the tests !!

Good Luck to you all

NB I have a 6990 does this count as 2 GPU's ??

driftingforlife
11-25-2012, 08:34 PM
Yes as there are 2 GPU cores.

Menthol
11-25-2012, 09:01 PM
Very nice X Pack - need a few more dual card runs to get the equation sorted out and then can start posting ER for the guys.

So come on guys post some more results.

Yes Very Nice X Pack. This competition is getting interesting very fast. I have a lot to learn about tweaks, if anyone sees anything unusual tell me please .

Here's a sli run for you to help with your equation

ROG December VGA Challenge
Hardware
M/B = RIVE
Bios = 1005
CPU = 3930K C2 Water Cooled @ 4840 MHZ
RAM = Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB @ 2196MHZ
GPU = GTX 680 X2 Water Cooled @ its Keepler different every time Damn Nvidia
Vantage Score 62258
14216
Heaven Score 4381.168
14217

Rockford
11-25-2012, 09:08 PM
Thanks Ment..

You borderline nuked me, in the vantage.. I like that.. good score..

X Pack (nuked)... ;o)

I am impressed by all the awesome benchmarks in here..truly..

And some of the team members, are going rampage at hwbot.. No names........

Peptalk-->

btw .. having temp concerns?

;o)

Dartmaul
11-25-2012, 10:01 PM
And some of the team members, are going rampage at hwbot.. No names........
Yep we all know that you're ddos'ing bot with your mad 7950 submissions :D:D:D

Rockford
11-25-2012, 10:13 PM
note> i did not refer to myself.. ;o)

HiVizMan
11-25-2012, 10:20 PM
note> i did not refer to myself.. ;o)

I think all of you have done real well so far. By the way thanks for the dual card results they are making the job of working out a ER a little easier.

DooRules
11-25-2012, 10:51 PM
Just noticed this today.

3960x @4909 mhz H20
16 gbs 2133 ram
Bios 3101
MB RIVE
GPU's 3 x EVGA 580 HC2's H20
W8

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4419527

14228


14229

HiVizMan
11-26-2012, 08:38 AM
Our first Open Class submission cheers Doorules :)

Henkenator68NL
11-26-2012, 10:49 AM
Hey Guys,

Since My Intel system still is on stock coolers i decided to enter with my AMD system.... ruslting in half the scores you guys are getting but fun nontheless.

Crosshair V Formula + AMD x6 1100T, 2 4Gb Gskill Ripjaw, 6990, 1000w psu, GPU and CPU om water
Tests Run at:
CPU:3950MHz
GPU Core: 998MHz, GPU Mem: 1500MHz

3dMark vantage : P26540 (31393 GPU, 18131 CPU)
14250

14252142531425414255
Unigene Heaven: 1525.8 DX11

if the pic from unigene is to small you can also use link: http://hwbot.org/submission/2331001 (http://hwbot.org/submission/2331001)_

Have nice day!

Unigine Image

14256

Menthol
11-26-2012, 12:45 PM
HiVizMan,
If the GPU has to be clocked the same for both Vantage and Heaven then my sli score doesn't count, I ran Vantage first and same clocks froze Heaven so had to clock the GPU's lower. I should have clarified that earlier.

HiVizMan
11-26-2012, 02:45 PM
Not a stress just make sure your official submission is with both on the same frequency please. Right now I am struggling wtih the ER. Problem I am having is that 680 card run boost and I do not know what the actual frequency is. So might have to just use a card by card correction factor.

Menthol
11-26-2012, 04:26 PM
OK so along with the CPU and RAM being clocked the same for both bench's the GPU and VRAM are supposed to be clocked the same for both benche's, is this correct? I wasn't sure of that. Heaven is so much harder on hardware I need to concentrat on my Heaven score then I haven't got that down yet, and know now teaks to help.
Also if we include the GPU overclocking program in the screen you can use the default boost speed + the boost speed aplied to calculate the overall boost clock if that will help. Keepler is a tricky card since the clocks are constantly flucuating, it's a little frustrating at times.

Arne Saknussemm
11-26-2012, 05:55 PM
Hmmm I used different RAM clocks in my submission.......if that's not OK I will have to redo....

Dartmaul
11-26-2012, 06:45 PM
Nothing was said about RAM frequency.

HiVizMan
11-26-2012, 07:07 PM
Only the processor core speed and the video card processor need to be the same speed in both benchmarks. The DDR3 ram can be anything you like, and so to the Video memory.

Menthol
11-26-2012, 09:13 PM
sorry I get confused easily, at least it's clear now. thank you sir

HiVizMan
11-26-2012, 11:32 PM
sorry I get confused easily, at least it's clear now. thank you sir

You should try and find some sense out of Boost clocks for a ER system. :D

Menthol
11-27-2012, 02:25 AM
The MSI Lighting LN2 bios, which I am using kind of keeps it at whatever clock you set when there is a heavy enough load, it fluctuates some but not as much as other cards, I will post another run soon.
X Pack,
You are officially UN-Nuked, at least by me, that score I posted can't be counted. I'm not giving up the fight yet though, you are the 7950 King though

Menthol
11-27-2012, 04:32 AM
Here you go sli both GPU's at 1293 MHZ, hopefully this will help with your equation. I keep the clocks a little low to make sure i got thru the runs easy so I will hopefully increase the scores later.
Vantage score 57897
14300
Heaven Score 4425.004
14301

As you can see in the AB graph GPU's barely Fluctuated in Heaven constant load, In Vantage load varies and so does GPU

HiVizMan
11-27-2012, 09:12 AM
Cheers guys. I will have some ER (they may change during the next week or so) up for viewing today.

Henkenator68NL
11-27-2012, 09:31 AM
So here are the first improvements !!!

CPU@3950 MHz

3DMARK Vantage Performance Score: P27033
14304
Unigene Heaven Xtreme Score: 2009.594
14305

HiVizMan
11-27-2012, 09:32 AM
Henk thank you now that is worth gold to me, simply because I now have a constant in your first result and can see if the formula correctly shows gains. Or not. :o

Henkenator68NL
11-27-2012, 09:36 AM
I am very curious about how the ER will turn out.

Are you going to make a difference between Intel and AMD or ?? is that all been taken care of in 1 formula?

Patience ... Henk

LOL

Dartmaul
11-27-2012, 12:18 PM
Cheers guys. I will have some ER (they may change during the next week or so) up for viewing today.
Can't wait for this.

HiVizMan
11-27-2012, 01:30 PM
Provisionable Leader Board is up

Single Cards

1 X Pack 693.83 HD 7950
2 driftingforlife 683.01 GTX 680
3 Dartmaul 668.13 HD 7970
4 driftingforlife 663.32 GTX 470
5 Menthol 647.37 GTX 680
6 flexnl 569.26 GTX 680

Dual Cards

1 X Pack 669.30 HD 7950
2 Menthol 650.10 GTX 680
3 Dartmaul 645.44 HD 7970
4 Arne Saknussemm 622.63 GTX 680
5 Sinebrychof 477.95 HD 7970
6 Henkenator68NL 331.35 HD 6990
7 Henkenator68NL 252.11 HD 6990

Henk sadly AMD CPU's are taking a beating here, they just do not have sufficient throughput to make the Video Cards get close to the Intel driven systems.

And in this contest it is clear that Ivy is not the strongest at all. Very interesting so far.

Disclaimer - ER not finalised.

The ER will most likely change once more results are submitted. The more results there are the more accurate the algorithm becomes. I am playing with a mini-neural network (my normal work before PC's) to manage the ER for each submission.

Dartmaul
11-27-2012, 01:40 PM
I'm pretty sure it's with tessellation on.

HiVizMan
11-27-2012, 01:41 PM
Yeah I worked that out and deleted my post.

Alex-Ro
11-27-2012, 02:19 PM
Damn,some serious video cards around :D Hope i get one 7970 before christmas and get something done :)

Dartmaul
11-27-2012, 03:17 PM
HiVizMan seems that you have overestimateв 7970 in relation to other cards?
For example Sinebrychof have overall better result than Menthol but Ment has much more points.

Also, IMO 7950 and 7970 are based on the same chip, so their difference cannot be significant.

HiVizMan
11-27-2012, 03:55 PM
Thanks Dartmaul you are correct of course but there are factors at play.

So with 7950 v 7970 it is between 12 % and 18 %

And then Unigene favours AMD big time due to Tessalation. That means GTX 680 has more weighting because of that benchmark. The Vantage GPU scores are very important in the current method and maybe that skews things. We shall see.


But like I said this is still a work in progress and things will change.

Dartmaul
11-27-2012, 04:07 PM
Thanks Dartmaul you are correct of course but there are factors at play.

So with 7950 v 7970 it is between 12 % and 18 %

And then Unigene favours AMD big time due to Tessalation. That means GTX 680 has more weighting because of that benchmark. The Vantage GPU scores are very important in the current method and maybe that skews things. We shall see.


But like I said this is still a work in progress and things will change.
For example, Sinebrychof didn't disable tessellation. You have to add this to rules. For AMD cards accept submissions only with disabled (or only with enabled) tessellation. Also his Vantage score is better.
Also I'm pretty sure that difference between 7950 and 7970 is less than 10%. But 7970 and 680 are within 5% difference.
Or if it's so hard to balance AMD and Nvidia, maybe we'll make separate Nvidia and AMD leaderboards, and when challenge will be done, just compare the best AMD and Nvidia submissions to find out which is the best.

If I'll have to make ER calculation system, I'll just take the best H2O submission of every card from bot and make % coefficient based on comparison of these results. And make challengers to do not force disable tessellation.

http://hwbot.org/submission/2323004_wcrf_3dmark_vantage___performance_radeon_h d_7970_50080_marks - 7970
http://hwbot.org/submission/2327070_zka17_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce _gtx_680_48316_marks - 680

GPU score difference is 4.2%

http://hwbot.org/submission/2323379_publicenemy_3dmark_vantage___performance_r adeon_hd_7950_47828_marks - 7950 (this is pretty much Air cooled submission but top 1 on H2O is X Pack's submission)

So 6.3% between 7950 and 7970 ) (okay let's round up to 7%)

HiVizMan
11-27-2012, 04:18 PM
Yeah I hear you, but it is about efficiency and if he does not disable tessellation then his score is not efficient compared to the other AMD results. Simple as that.

It is like talking about Super Pi and saying we should factor in that some people did not know how to do a Copy Wazza. Of course we do not as that would be totally unacceptable, because that is the point, reward those who do learn how to tweak and get their benchmarks efficient. Not reward only CPU power or only Video power. LOL We will work it out it is early days.

Dartmaul
11-27-2012, 04:33 PM
In SuperPi contest you haven't balanced X79 and Z77)

I'm talking about VGA balance. I have no idea how to calculate efficiency in this case, but it will be unfair in any way if you wouldn't equal different VGAs.

PS I've edited my previous post.

HiVizMan
11-27-2012, 04:49 PM
Very good point about the X79 and Z77 platform and the Super Pi contest.

OK I will think about it and lets see if version 26 is better than this last one. :)

Rockford
11-27-2012, 04:52 PM
For example, Sinebrychof didn't disable tessellation. You have to add this to rules. For AMD cards accept submissions only with disabled (or only with enabled) tessellation. Also his Vantage score is better.
Also I'm pretty sure that difference between 7950 and 7970 is less than 10%. But 7970 and 680 are within 5% difference.
Or if it's so hard to balance AMD and Nvidia, maybe we'll make separate Nvidia and AMD leaderboards, and when challenge will be done, just compare the best AMD and Nvidia submissions to find out which is the best.

If I'll have to make ER calculation system, I'll just take the best H2O submission of every card from bot and make % coefficient based on comparison of these results. And make challengers to do not force disable tessellation.

http://hwbot.org/submission/2323004_wcrf_3dmark_vantage___performance_radeon_h d_7970_50080_marks - 7970
http://hwbot.org/submission/2327070_zka17_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce _gtx_680_48316_marks - 680

GPU score difference is 4.2%

http://hwbot.org/submission/2323379_publicenemy_3dmark_vantage___performance_r adeon_hd_7950_47828_marks - 7950 (this is pretty much Air cooled submission but top 1 on H2O is X Pack's submission)

So 6.3% between 7950 and 7970 ) (okay let's round up to 7%)

Check his ram speed 1900mhz, my ram/timings dont allow much above 1750, 1800 yes, but by then it will downgrade the score

1900mhz= lots of score

But i can run 1345mhz on the core, without real probs.. i am sure, he cant

Dartmaul
11-27-2012, 05:09 PM
Pack it's not about who's score is better) You're my №1 in every way :o

It's about overall max score can be reached on every VGA.

Rockford
11-27-2012, 05:13 PM
ok.ok.ok

;o)

That score is haunting me bad, the vantage 1e place..

Dartmaul
11-27-2012, 05:21 PM
That's the only way to keep you focused))))
I have no doubt that this guy has top1 just until your next bench session. Question of time.

Rockford
11-27-2012, 05:28 PM
Yes, bring up that pesky score, and i am faster than lightning to reply..

Dartmaul
11-27-2012, 05:46 PM
BTW I just received a message from my friend who just bought two heatkillers for me.
And as one friend of mine once told: If you can't push to the limit any more - push the limit itself.

Skull6
11-27-2012, 06:06 PM
As I've just returned from holiday, I'll probably have to wait until this weekend to post mine. I'm sure you all are just sitting on the edge of your seats, waiting to see what my stock G75VW-BBK5 (with no tweaking whatsoever) is capable of! :D

Arne Saknussemm
11-27-2012, 06:39 PM
LOL Skull6...get it done...the more the merrier....and I'm sure it can be tweaked!....a bit....maybe :D

HiVizMan
11-27-2012, 11:54 PM
14341


Changed some of the weightings, used the HWBOT hardware ranking as a guide.

Chino
11-28-2012, 12:17 AM
Unigine is spelt wrongly. :p

Menthol
11-28-2012, 03:38 AM
Single GPU only one of my 680's suffered an injury in battle, not dead but injured, he don't like high voltage and clocks any more. He was a good soldier while he lasted. He'll get his stock cooling and go into another system at stock clocks and voltage only, we'll see how he does in retirement
ROG December VGA Challenge
Hardware
M/B = RIVE Bios = 1005
CPU = 3930K C2 Water Cooled @ 4840 MHZ
RAM = Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB @ 2196MHZ
GPU = GTX 680 X1 Water Cooled @ 1476 MHZ
Vantage 45194
14352
Unigine 2502.275<--- spelled correctly, does that add into the ER
14353
Maybe a small improvement not sure I'll get much more without ending up with 2 dead soldiers war is hell.
I think I left enough of the AB graph to prove GPU clock

Henkenator68NL
11-28-2012, 08:29 AM
Wow Dagmar !!

That even balances the AMD a "bit", appreciate the work you put in setting up a rating system!

TWEAK ON!!:D

Henkenator68NL
11-28-2012, 08:31 AM
Single GPU only one of my 680's suffered an injury in battle, not dead but injured, he don't like high voltage and clocks any more. He was a good soldier while he lasted. He'll get his stock cooling and go into another system at stock clocks and voltage only, we'll see how he does in retirement


Menthol,

how did you manage to get your warrior crippled??

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 08:48 AM
Unigine is spelt wrongly. :p

I like my spelling better. LOL thanks Chino. Will change for the next update

@ Menthol yes it does. :p Actually no. :D

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 09:03 AM
14355

Menthol good improvement :)

Dartmaul
11-28-2012, 09:16 AM
HiVizMan could you post the original ER formula?
That would make things easier)


Wow Dagmar !!

That even balances the AMD a "bit", appreciate the work you put in setting up a rating system!

TWEAK ON!!:D
Not sure if there's someone with this name here.
But anyway, I guess it's not the final rating system version.

We have to deal with tessellation, seems that I'm the only who force disabled it, feel my self a bit confused about that, especially after my post about cheating:eek:

driftingforlife
11-28-2012, 09:39 AM
Ignore this :p

Henkenator68NL
11-28-2012, 10:09 AM
@DARTMAUL

YES THERE IS SOMEONE WITH THAT NAME ... but he uses his nickname like most ..

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 10:10 AM
HiVizMan could you post the original ER formula?
That would make things easier)


Not sure if there's someone with this name here.
But anyway, I guess it's not the final rating system version.

We have to deal with tessellation, seems that I'm the only who force disabled it, feel my self a bit confused about that, especially after my post about cheating:eek:

Henk is talking to me :D

Tessellation is a legit tweak in Unigine for AMD cards. If you wish to have that setting enabled then that is your choice, if you wish to disable it then that is again your choice.

And because of that factor I have had to adjust the nVid cards higher than I would normally to take that advantage AMD have in Unigine into consideration. And like I said to you in a pm 'work out a system' and share it if you like I am certainly receptive to alternatives.

Formula is simple and back to manual calculation now. As I no longer takes graphic card frequency into account, nor memory timings of the video memory - not even CPU data. So the way the formula shows relative efficiency is only based on scores. As the formula now assumes a level playing field. And I guess we do have that, only ambient cooling and and a cap on CPU scoring.

(Unigine score + Futuremark Graphics score) x (100 - each cards weighting or correction factor) x 0.001 (to make it a manageable number)

The correction factor is still not set in rock and once I have enough data I will post those number up too.


Lets try not to over complicate this challenge friends, it is about having fun and learning stuff. Did I mention it was meant to be fun. Who really cares that much if one card has an small advantage? We will never get it completely right. Maybe we should just go on points per card type and then have a vote who has the most efficient run at the end of the challenge.

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 10:15 AM
Ignore this :p

Er what were you looking at when you made that comment?

Dartmaul
11-28-2012, 10:24 AM
Can we now submit only GPU test results of Vantage?

I like the whole idea, but AMD users would have to use disabled tessellation to compare with Nvidia. - just a note.

VGA correction factor is a thing it's all about. Wouldn't say more about that, I do believe Viz will make it right.
Also after fast look at H2O cooled 7970 submissions on bot I found out that I have a huuuge improvement leap to make) Gonna focus on it)

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 10:37 AM
Can we now submit only GPU test results of Vantage?

Also after fast look at H2O cooled 7970 submissions on bot I found out that I have a huuuge improvement leap to make) Gonna focus on it)

Nope it has to be a proper run. If your system does not pass the CPU test then it is nor valid for the challenge. Who knows the formula might change again and use the final score.


And yeah there are some really good water cooled guys out there benching. I honestly think the best benchers are not the top 20 guys in the Pro leagues at all, but might be the guys who only bench water and air. That is such a hardware restricted bunch and less advantage is gained on cherry hardware. And more on skill.

Henkenator68NL
11-28-2012, 10:47 AM
LETS have fun with it instead off focussing on minor details ... AMD cpu's have big disadvantage to but I am not complaining. Its in the nature of the beast, as is with GPU's!

Arne Saknussemm
11-28-2012, 11:44 AM
^^ Yes please! ^^ Let's leave the formula in the dark depths of HiViz´s benching lair and have some fun! Even if the formula is Vantage score divided by marmalade times the square root of of X Packs navel!

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 11:51 AM
Arrne my secret is out. marmalade in deed. HAHAHAHAHAHA

To much power in one persons hands I tell you. My fanboi'ism will show its ugly head. Voodoo or Rage 3D for the win I say.

Sadly I actually still have some of those cards.

Menthol
11-28-2012, 12:49 PM
Menthol,

how did you manage to get your warrior crippled??
To much voltage maybe, or it just got tired

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 01:15 PM
How did you get your card to actually take more voltage? Any modification to the BIOS or different BIOS used?

Menthol
11-28-2012, 01:47 PM
No the Lightnings LN2 bios allows over volting, core, memory, and AUX (which may be VRM not 100% sure) about 1.36 volts on the core with AB 2.2.3, and with the ArtMoney program you can increase that. I just recently acquired the X version but on first use the core voltage stuck on 1.6+ volts for some reason, I reset, still 1.6, uninstalled, still 1.6+, shut down removed sli connecter, unstuck finally but one card (my highest overclocker) doesn't like to overclock any more. I just removed my blocks and reapplied TIM, I suspect I may have damaged something during that process. The bios on the new Lightnings have been locked but you can flash to the earlier bios. All stock bios's.
Unfortunately I don't know much about the little tweaks in drivers and OS to increase that increase scores so I just pour on the voltage and clocks till it fails, this is about fun for me, if I learn a tweak or two then that is just gravy on my potatoes
If I am doing something not allowed please tell me, I don't know how to cheat and may not know if I Was. I'm may not be to smart but I am honest

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 02:18 PM
Hell no you can tweak all you like mate. And like I said if you are not sure ask. You have pm

I will be sharing a little tweaking guide in the near future when it comes to 3D benching so stay tuned.

Luumi
11-28-2012, 03:04 PM
Let's try again.
Two Cards

Hardware:
Asus Rampage IV Extreme, BIOS version 3101
3930K C2 @ 4972.7Mhz
32Gb TridentX 2400 @ 2539Mhz
2x7970s at 1200GPU, 1915 memory on vantage, 1850 on unigine.
2x120gb Corsair force GTs in Raid 0

3Dmark Vantage 62539
14360

Unigine Heaven 5802.974
14361

Xrkc6x
11-28-2012, 03:12 PM
here we go, hello to all of u, ill post my results soon :) thanks HiVizMan for invitation!

Xrkc6x
11-28-2012, 03:33 PM
question for you please... every time i run the 3d mark vantage it start with 3d nvidia surround, should i disable it?

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 03:33 PM
Luumi now we are talking my friend.

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 03:34 PM
question for you please... every time i run the 3d mark vantage it start with 3d nvidia surround, should i disable it?

Yes indeed.

Xrkc6x
11-28-2012, 04:07 PM
ahahahah sorry now its better :)

Xrkc6x
11-28-2012, 04:11 PM
one more question will be... unigine--> extreme preset... uhm how i need to set it up? tassellation = extreme?? what about the others?

thanks!

Dartmaul
11-28-2012, 04:41 PM
Man you really should read the 1st post of this thread)

Download HWbot version of unigine, they have made an add on to it that has 2 presets.

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 04:42 PM
With Unigine you only need to download the application from t he link I posted in the OP. Then install. And click the HWBOT wrapper that will start the benchmark in the correct settings.

Vantage you only need to run the CPU and GPU tests, you can disable the feature tests.

Not sure what the free ware version allows you to change but if folks need an key I have a spare key we could use for the contest. BUT please do not lock that key into your user account by submitting on line. After the challenge someone can have it and register it with Futuremark.

Skull6
11-28-2012, 04:43 PM
Marmalade is now playing into this?! What next--Vegemite?

I fail to see how this will help my scores, but hey...nothing ventured, nothing gained I guess. ;)

Xrkc6x
11-28-2012, 04:45 PM
thanks to everybody, and sorry, i have my key, thanks, and i have downloaded the bot now, thanks once again

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 04:49 PM
Marmalade is now playing into this?! What next--Vegemite?

I fail to see how this will help my scores, but hey...nothing ventured, nothing gained I guess. ;)

Tsk tsk Vegemite. Marmite in the UK. None of that colonial stuff for us.

Hey skulls give me a day or so and I will post up some Laptop scores too. We can have our own little league going one what do you say?

Xrkc6x
11-28-2012, 05:35 PM
3xGTX680

Hardware:
Asus Rampage IV Extreme, BIOS version 3101
i7_3820 @ 4625.0Mhz
32Gb TridentX 1866 @ 2000Mhz
3xGTX680s at 1225GPU, 3197 mem
2x256gb OCZ Vertex4 RAID 0

3Dmark Vantage 48406
Unigine dx11 Extreme 5068,341

14363

14364

hope its ok ;-) my first try :)

HiVizMan
11-28-2012, 06:28 PM
Cheers mate I will post up my open class submission later to day or tomorrow when I get back.

Rockford
11-28-2012, 08:44 PM
Open – Go big
Welcome to Thuderdome

Hardware
Motherboard> Rampage Extreme IV X79 (ROG Edition)
Bios ver> 2003
Cpu> i7 3930K (C1)
Ram> Dominator 1866mhz quad (4X4gb) OC 1950mhz
Cpu OC> 5215 mhz..
Gpu> 2 X Radeon 7950, 1325/1745 Mhz
Psu> 1500w Dual rail..

H2o SuperChilled..

3d Mark Vantage score> 65131
FM Link> http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4424538

Dartmaul
11-28-2012, 09:02 PM
So you're №1 on bot again?

Rockford
11-28-2012, 09:11 PM
its the 1 X gpu i am 2e, will take nr 1 by tomorrow, i think..
2x 1e
3x 1e

Then let the gpus retire..

Dartmaul
11-28-2012, 09:19 PM
Then probably you have to close your browser cuz it could harm your score.

Xrkc6x
11-28-2012, 09:36 PM
cool guys :) im the only one with that low score :( and only one with nVidia? :( ahahahah that was my first attempt, i will do some other tomorrow...

Rockford
11-28-2012, 09:55 PM
Then probably you have to close your browser cuz it could harm your score.

And stop listening to old school acid, while benchmarking.. ;o)

Thats the Vantage tweak of all times..Mandatory..

Hillguy
11-29-2012, 01:29 AM
Hi guys , here is my first attempt .............. :p

3960x @4904 mhz h2o
16 gbs 2133 ram
Bios 1404
MB Rampage 4 Extreme
GPU's 3 x EVGA GTX 470 h2o
Windows 7

1437114372

HiVizMan
11-29-2012, 09:51 AM
Will be away for today and hope to be back home on Friday so will update the leader boards then.

Welcome and thanks to our new participants, the more the merrier I say.

Skull6
11-29-2012, 03:08 PM
Tsk tsk Vegemite. Marmite in the UK. None of that colonial stuff for us.

Hey skulls give me a day or so and I will post up some Laptop scores too. We can have our own little league going one what do you say?

Game on! But I still won't be able to do anything with the laptop contest until this weekend. We're undergoing some major automation reshuffling at work, & ensuring that the boss can still get his email 24/7 is becoming an ever-increasing pain in the posterior.

P.S. First you say that my motherboard is irrelevant. Now you're saying that laptops (even my G75VW) is "little league." Sir, you're wounding me to the "cores". I WILL have "satisfaction"! :D

Dartmaul
11-29-2012, 04:48 PM
14381
FINALLY!
I'm gonna test it tomorrow (or maybe today). Hope it will give me some fps)

Xrkc6x
11-29-2012, 05:05 PM
that's really really NICE mate!

Chino
11-29-2012, 06:36 PM
A VGA challenge ain't a VGA challenge without a 670. ;)

Hardware
CPU - Intel i7 3770K @ 4900 MHz
Mobo - Asus Maximus V Extreme
Cooling - Antec KUHLER H2O 920
Memory - Corsair Dominator Platinum @ 1866 MHz
Graphics Card - Gigabyte GTX 670 OC @ 1105 Mhz / 1927Mhz

Unigine Heaven - Xtreme Preset (DX11) - 2387.781
14383

3DMark Vantage - Performance - 38701
14382

HiVizMan
11-29-2012, 06:56 PM
Cheers guys keep the submissions coming in. I am back and all is good in the lad of Viz so tonight or tomorrow morning I will add the new scores to the leader board.

Skull6
11-29-2012, 06:57 PM
@DartMaul - Put some clothes on that beast--it's embarrassing! (Embarrassing me, at least. Wish I had a setup like that. Nice looking rig. Looking forward to seeing what it can do.) ;)

Dartmaul
11-29-2012, 09:48 PM
Can I use submission with 50024 Vantage CPU score?:rolleyes:

Dartmaul
11-29-2012, 10:13 PM
@DartMaul - Put some clothes on that beast--it's embarrassing! (Embarrassing me, at least. Wish I had a setup like that. Nice looking rig. Looking forward to seeing what it can do.) ;)
I'll show you, with pleasure.

MULTI GPU

Hardware:
RIVE 3204 BIOS Watercooled
3930k C2 Watercooled
G.Skill RipjawsZ 2133MHz (4x4) Stock Air cooling
2 x Sapphire HD7970 Watercooled
CPU Frequency 4919MHz
VGA Frequency 1360/1860MHz

Heaven score 6031.672
14387
Vantage score 65310 (72716 GPU 50024 CPU)
14386

PS I really tried to pass vantage once again to fix my cpu score but my VGAs refuses to pass even a 1st test that is quite simple...

Dartmaul
11-29-2012, 10:40 PM
(Unigine score + Futuremark Graphics score) x (100 - each cards weighting or correction factor) x 0.001 (to make it a manageable number)
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!

So you want to say that you just stack Heaven and Vantage scores when Heaven's score is around 10-15 times less than Vantage's?
Maybe you should use Heaven x15 to balance two tests about ER affection?
Heaven really should matter because 1) it's harder to pass 2) wrong OC settings causing micro-freezes those harm to your score very much.

Rockford
11-30-2012, 12:42 AM
haha, this is no easy task for Viz..

Dartmaul
11-30-2012, 05:28 AM
I've spend 1.5 hours yesterday to get 80 more points in Unigine.
I doesn't makes any sense if I can compensate it with 80 Vantage points.

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 10:42 AM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!


Are you shouting at me?

Dartmaul
11-30-2012, 10:46 AM
No I've just wondered that I didn't noticed that earlier :D
We've discussed that subject much and I didn't noticed the most simple and important thing (IMO).

I'm sorry no offense, master.

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 11:24 AM
LOL all good then. :p

Look the whole process is still a work in progress Dartmaul and like I have said to you many many many times feel free to come up with a system and share it, I am very open to all of us working out a system that is "fair". The reason why I did not place more emphasise on the Unigine score is that it is so skewed to AMD. Just as the entire contest is skewed to X79 this time round, Super Pi was Z77 - poor AMD processors get the short end of the stick every time. :) The thing is the faster your CPU score the better your GPU score in vantage, that is why there is a cap. The gains are huge and those folks with low CPU scores are never going to be efficient compared to a result close to the 50000 cap. That is one of the skill tests to manage that.

So as they say in poker, time to put up. Show me what your formula would look like, or...

Dartmaul
11-30-2012, 11:42 AM
Ok, I'll try ti figure out.

As I know, force disabled tessellation gains around 24% increase in Unigine. So tessellation scores can be x1.24.
This coefficient can be calculated more accurate if needed, but Unigine must matter (see my previous post) otherwise there's no sense at all to use this test for challenge.

So the formula is:
(((Unigine score (x1.24 tessellation mod) x15(or at least x10. but IMO Unigine > Vantage))+Vantage GPU score) x GPU normalization coefficient) x 0.001(if you don't like huge numbers)

Or divide Nvidia and AMD and compare only the best result of both manufacturers at the end of the challenge.


BTW did you accepted my submission with 50024 Vantage CPU score?:rolleyes:

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 11:56 AM
Nope it was over the limit. :(


Do a couple of results and post up your ER ratings so we can see how it compares - so far looks good.

Dartmaul
11-30-2012, 12:02 PM
Ok.

But damn it will be complicated to pass Vantage on same clocks and get lower CPU score((
1st CPU test was pretty low, I thought it'll be around 49800 but 2nd one was too fast.
It was like "Oh yeah I'm gonna bloSONOFA*****!!!!":mad:

Oh 3D Mark you are so cruel!

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 12:03 PM
yes I know I know I am cruel. I like it. :D

Xrkc6x
11-30-2012, 01:34 PM
i did not run the Unigine bench with Tassellation OFF, it was automatically setup by HWbot i guess... am i right? anyway i will post a couple of more results during the we :) i guess i can right?

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 01:48 PM
The green team, nVid have no option to disable tessellation. :) It is like a few years ago where nVid drivers were optimised for Futuremark - they take it in turns to doctor drives to suite the marketing.

Xrkc6x
11-30-2012, 02:00 PM
The green team, nVid have no option to disable tessellation. :) It is like a few years ago where nVid drivers were optimised for Futuremark - they take it in turns to doctor drives to suite the marketing.

Cool boss :-) i always had a red one ;-) never a green one :-) my first time :-)

Henkenator68NL
11-30-2012, 05:21 PM
Hi Here are my results from my Intel system ... all still on stock coolers .. but I post them anyway

Hardware Used:
Maximus V Extreme
Core i7 3777K
2 x 4 Gb Corsair Dominator 2133
1 x GTX 660 Asus directCU II OC
Cooler Master 1000Watt

First scores:
CPU@4600MHz
GPU@1160/6400

Unigene Xtreme Score: X1582,231

14396

3DMark Vantage Score: P28406
14395

Dartmaul
11-30-2012, 05:29 PM
Okay, since Viz didn't accepted my previous score (fair game) I'm gonna post two submissions (single and multi GPU) at the same time.

So here we go.


SINGLE GPU

RIVE 3204 Watercooled
3930k C2 Watercooled
RipjawsZ 2133MHz 4x4 Stock cooling
Sapphire HD7970 Watercooled

CPU Frequency 4919MHz
VGA Frequency 1380/1875MHz

Heaven score 3559.706
14393

Vantage score 48613 (GPU 48176 CPU 49973)
14394




MULTI GPU

RIVE 3204 Watercooled
3930k C2 Watercooled
RipjawsZ 2133MHz 4x4 Stock cooling
Sapphire 2 x HD7970 Watercooled

CPU Frequency 4914MHz
VGA Frequency 1360/1860MHz

Heaven score 6008.215
14397

Vantage score 65202 (GPU 72600 CPU 49937)
14398



Also if I understood right Viz asked me to upload Heaven submit with and w/o tessellation.
Here's "tessellated" Heaven run with the same setting as my multi GPU submission has.
5236 with tessellation and 6008 w/o.
14.7% lol
14399

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 05:56 PM
Cheers my friend, I will try a few different formulas tonight.

Could you show me the outcomes of your formula with the correction factors for the different cards. Just do the single vga entries and show me what yo end up with. Maybe that we we work out a winning formula together yes.

Dartmaul
11-30-2012, 06:05 PM
So you want me to make my own correction coefficients for VGAs?

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 06:17 PM
Lets compare notes :o

Dartmaul
11-30-2012, 07:32 PM
14402

Final ratings aren't much different than your's.

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 08:06 PM
Want the job of running the leader board table? I am quite willing to hand it over to you.


And nice work by the way.

Have sent you my xls file to look at.

Dartmaul
11-30-2012, 08:19 PM
Going lazy?)

1) I haven't enough overall overclocking experience to do it.
2) I'm taking part in this challenge and I'd like to win (off course it's not the goal but it would make me happy) and win fair.
3) I've no idea what I'm doing lol;)


PS I've noticed that you're pretty annoyed by me during last few days, but I've submitted my H2O results and wouldn't worry you any more
(at least in next few days. maybe.)

Skull6
11-30-2012, 09:30 PM
Are you shouting at me?

I know he's located somewhere near Buckingham Palace, but am I the only one mentally picturing HiVizMan saying this out loud with an Southside New York/Lower Chicago/Italian accent?

"Yoos talkin' ta ME?!"

Work's almost over. I'll post my certain to be MAGNIFICENT VGA test results as soon as I can after returning home tonight. ;)

Xrkc6x
11-30-2012, 09:42 PM
I know he's located somewhere near Buckingham Palace, but am I the only one mentally picturing HiVizMan saying this out loud with an Southside New York/Lower Chicago/Italian accent?

"Yoos talkin' ta ME?!"

Work's almost over. I'll post my certain to be MAGNIFICENT VGA test results as soon as I can after returning home tonight. ;)

stai TU parlando con me??!?! ti permetti di parlare con me??? ahahahah ce l'hai con me?

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 09:48 PM
Going lazy?)

1) I haven't enough overall overclocking experience to do it.
2) I'm taking part in this challenge and I'd like to win (off course it's not the goal but it would make me happy) and win fair.
3) I've no idea what I'm doing lol;)


PS I've noticed that you're pretty annoyed by me during last few days, but I've submitted my H2O results and wouldn't worry you any more
(at least in next few days. maybe.)

Nah I am not annoyed at you Dartmaul you can relax about that. If I was really you would have heard directly from me, I am not one to skirt around stuff. Ask some of the folks who have had very direct pm's from me. LOL :D

I am pleased that you did present your system, and as you say it is very similar to mine. And I am most sincere when I offered you the opportunity to manage the Leader Board. I would not have done that if I did not think your were up to the task. So think about it and maybe you can do both, compete and manage the LB.

And submit all the results or submissions you like it makes me very happy to see your improvements, it really does. So keep asking questions, and never accept good enough.

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 09:49 PM
stai TU parlando con me??!?! ti permetti di parlare con me??? ahahahah ce l'hai con me?

Hehe you make it sound like a bad Mafioso movie.

Xrkc6x
11-30-2012, 09:54 PM
Hehe you make it sound like a bad Mafioso movie.

i tried.... lol, u know i'm originally from Rome and not Sicily but i know how they speak and the slang they use :) its really nice :) i can make it better in person when we'll meet up :)

HiVizMan
11-30-2012, 10:08 PM
Yeah really looking forward for that LN2 meet. It is a pity that more of the guys here are not in the UK.

Check this out LN2 Event near London http://www.team-greatbritain.com/team-gb-sussex-uk-ln2-meet-december-29th-30th/

Here are some of the photo's from the Cambridge event in March. (http://www.team-greatbritain.com/cambridge-overclock-net-ln2-meet-march-2012/2/)

Luumi
11-30-2012, 10:26 PM
Very nice scores Dartmaul I have to say.

Xrkc6x
11-30-2012, 10:38 PM
Yeah really looking forward for that LN2 meet. It is a pity that more of the guys here are not in the UK.

Check this out LN2 Event near London http://www.team-greatbritain.com/team-gb-sussex-uk-ln2-meet-december-29th-30th/

Here are some of the photo's from the Cambridge event in March. (http://www.team-greatbritain.com/cambridge-overclock-net-ln2-meet-march-2012/2/)

Looooove it! There's also a branch of my company there lol PDF next time ;-) can't wait to come on 29th!

Menthol
12-01-2012, 02:16 AM
3) I've no idea what I'm doing lol;)



Dartmaul,

Wish I had no idea what I was doing as well as you do it, I'm pretty damn impressed

HiVizMan
12-01-2012, 12:00 PM
Will update all scores later this afternoon. Dartmaul you are rocking dude, love your work.

Dartmaul
12-01-2012, 12:22 PM
Dartmaul,

Wish I had no idea what I was doing as well as you do it, I'm pretty damn impressed

Actually I mean no idea about designing leader board)
But if you thought about VGA overclocking, that means you really estimated my submissions well ;););)
JK

Also about Viz's offer:
Since by mistake I've dropped my VGA on the flour while mounting waterblock and off course bended the card under the block weigh, I decide to "accept good enough".
That's because my damn arms are growing directly from my a*s and every time I try to do something, my hardware is about to die.
So I guess the time has come to stop. While my hardware is still alive.

I'm gonna "lock" mu results and take part in this challenge with submissions I currently have. All remained time I'll work around LB. (I'm out of ideas about overclocking so I decided to look for some more tweaks somewhere else)

If you have any idea about LB design, or need some OC tips, or just wanna talk with someone (please really, I'm so lonely :() feel free to pm me or post your ideas in this thread.

Henkenator68NL
12-01-2012, 09:12 PM
Wow after lot of Tweaking and Crashes I managed to improve my 3DMARK Vantage scores.

Hardware Used:
Maximus V Extreme
Core i7 3777K
2 x 4 Gb Corsair Dominator 2133
1 x GTX 660 Asus directCU II OC
Cooler Master 1000Watt

First scores:
CPU@4700Hz Memory : 2400 MHz
GPU@1160/6400

Unigene Xtreme Score: X1581.778

14466

3DMark Vantage Performance Score: P28875
GPU Score 27786

14467

I am very pleased with these results ... getting the CPU at stable OC all on stock cooler (=intel cooler) was very difficult but succes.

Maybe Ill find some more liitle tweaks in the next week

CYA

Xrkc6x
12-01-2012, 09:17 PM
Well done mate! That's the spirit of the challenge :-) learn, improve our knowledge :-) test, enjoy!

Zka17
12-01-2012, 11:54 PM
Wow, guys, you're really doing well!

Just went over the thread superficially and seeing some very nice scores... some day will have to sit down and read very carefully to learn some new things...

Keep going and have fun! :cool:

Xrkc6x
12-02-2012, 12:10 AM
Wow, guys, you're really doing well!

Just went over the thread superficially and seeing some very nice scores... some day will have to sit down and read very carefully to learn some new things...

Keep going and have fun! :cool:

"fun" first thing in the morning, first thing in the noon, first thing in the evening, first thing in the night... over and over again... i'm affected by a serious syndrome ---> Peter Pan Syndrome so, lets game everywhere/alaways :)

8 Pack
12-02-2012, 11:45 AM
Hiviz just seen this as its not just ROG team member can I enter????

I am not looking to sandbag results I will submit something by next Friday in all classes.

Can I clarify for Vantage in class one and two you have to set up the CPU so it scores no more than 50000??? or you can set it up so it goes higher but you only get scored for 50,000???

Rockford
12-02-2012, 11:47 AM
Thats great 8 pack..

Looking forward to your submit..

Bring it on......

8 Pack
12-02-2012, 12:06 PM
Looking forward to getting involved X Pack. I followed the last challenge with keen interest.

Can you clarify for rounds one and two CPU score is a) Not counted or b) You must set up the CPU so it scores no more than 50,000 CPU points and upto 50,000 it is counted. I know I may be being slow here but I just need clarification. Thanks guys.

Rockford
12-02-2012, 12:08 PM
I clocked as close as 50k as possible, then i used that clock on my 1 and 2 gpu submits..

But dont take my word for it..

Thats how i understood them rules..

I think Viz will post some input regarding this..

8 Pack
12-02-2012, 12:25 PM
Yeah thats how I read it too my friend. I will wait for Hivizman to clarify.

HiVizMan
12-02-2012, 12:26 PM
If you are over 50000 by one point your score does not count. As Dartmaul found out.


Ambient cooling only for all classes except the open class. And I was hoping you would play with mate.

Xrkc6x
12-02-2012, 12:44 PM
My 3820 Won't be an issue I terms of scores lire then 50k :-) I will try to push it a but more anyway :-) otherwise my gpu score will be affected :-)

8 Pack
12-02-2012, 12:45 PM
Yeah ok all systems are a go with this from Friday. I get the rules now Hivizman!!!

I have water on my daily rig so will use that! for classes one and two.

Xrkc6x
12-02-2012, 12:48 PM
Sorry about typo errors guys -.-" on my mobile :-)

Dartmaul
12-03-2012, 12:31 PM
I've made a prepreprepre alpha V0.00001 ER system and Leader Board.

It's send to Viz to become some (a lot of) correction notes.

One can be said for sure: I've tried billions of different VGA coefficient formulas but result is the same - X Pack is like a wall between me and 1st place!:mad:
Damn 7950 cards!

Xrkc6x
12-03-2012, 12:34 PM
I've made a prepreprepre alpha V0.00001 ER system and Leader Board.

It's send to Viz to become some (a lot of) correction notes.

One can be said for sure: I've tried billions of different VGA coefficient formulas but result is the same - X Pack is like a wall between me and 1st place!:mad:
Damn 7950 cards!

well done mate, lets wait for the Boss response ;)

Rockford
12-03-2012, 12:37 PM
I've made a prepreprepre alpha V0.00001 ER system and Leader Board.

It's send to Viz to become some (a lot of) correction notes.

One can be said for sure: I've tried billions of different VGA coefficient formulas but result is the same - X Pack is like a wall between me and 1st place!:mad:
Damn 7950 cards!

isnt it great!!!!!!!

;o)

Dartmaul
12-03-2012, 12:50 PM
Go get 7970's and we'll fight like a man versus a man!

Actually, X Pack has #1 result among 7950 cards on bot, so no wonder that he's #1 in out leader board too.
Like it has been said in Russia: I take off my hat before you. (This quote will sound much batter from HiVizMan;))

HiVizMan
12-03-2012, 01:25 PM
Single ER from Dartmaul

I think it is well done and would like some discussion on the ER for each card.

14496

Chino
12-03-2012, 02:54 PM
The 680's got smoked. :rolleyes:

HiVizMan
12-03-2012, 03:25 PM
Yeah noticed that too. But they got smoked on my ER variation too. I am interested in the 660 submission.

Dartmaul
12-03-2012, 04:06 PM
Please keep in mind that this system is prepreprepreprepre alpha V0.000001
Thing will change many times during redesign.

Please post any ideas about this stuff.

Dartmaul
12-03-2012, 05:24 PM
Seems that I found how to calculate every VGA's coefficient and every submissions efficiency very accurate)
Stay turned, I'm working on it right now so in few hours (I hope so) new version will be available!

HiVizMan
12-03-2012, 06:38 PM
Hey you take your time I like what I am seeing so far. And thank you.

Arne Saknussemm
12-03-2012, 06:39 PM
I'm sure it's well researched but I've taken the liberty of adding a necessary modification or two..

14499

Which as I'm sure you'll agree simplifies to

Dartmaul's ER (+200 if name begins with A)

QED

HiVizMan
12-03-2012, 07:03 PM
I'm sure it's well researched but I've taken the liberty of adding a necessary modification or two..

14499

Which as I'm sure you'll agree simplifies to

Dartmaul's ER (+200 if name begins with A)

QED


LOL Arne you make me laugh.

Xrkc6x
12-03-2012, 08:10 PM
I'm sure it's well researched but I've taken the liberty of adding a necessary modification or two..

14499

Which as I'm sure you'll agree simplifies to

Dartmaul's ER (+200 if name begins with A)

QED

Hahaha ha !!! @gym right now and came across this message and I was reading trying to get y man but than I realised was a joke... -.-"

Skull6
12-03-2012, 08:56 PM
I was researching which processes/ services to disable to squeeze the most out of my G75 this weekend--to show the world just what this G75 can do...but alas, a family medical emergency popped up that ate away all of my weekend.

The wife is recovering well, but I may need to postpone the nums that I know all are just dying to see. So sorry. All I can say is "When I can..."

Henkenator68NL
12-03-2012, 09:36 PM
So, if I understand correctly ..

The facts/fugures that are being taken into account are
:- unigene x..... Score
- the gpu part of the vantage score
- the coefficent dermined per type/version of the Gpu

Or have facored in more than that?

Talking about testing I did sofar:
I first found the most stable OC for my GTX 660;
a. Core/max boost clock
b. Max Volt for GPU with OC.
c. The mx. OC for the mem freq.

I tested it on absolute stable OC of the CPU. --> 4600 MHz and Memory on 2133.

This gave me my Highest Heaven Xtrems score
The Vantage test also gave the best result on the GPU side.

Going to higher OC on CPU this happend:
- the Heaven Xtreme score was not really influenced.. (it went down by 1 point or so).
- The Vantage overall score got higher; however this was result of GPU going down a bit, but the CPU Score increased quite a lot.

Than I ran al testa with OC-ed RAM 2100-> 2400.
Same difference...
Heaven Xtreme was about the same,
Vantage P score went up,
CPU score went a lot up....
But again the GPU score was lower than with the submizsion with CPU 4600.- This seems to me - at least - a bit strange. Did.you guys see this happening 2?

If you have any ideas how this is possible?
I will keep trying although I am almost out of ideas to improve the Vantage gpu score ass well as.for Heaven.Ofcourse I am pleased to see my GTX660 directCUii OC scoring 'super` in the end result -even when its temporary ER calculaion system.M

My compliments to MAUL and HiVizMan. For the extensive calculations made up to today.Thanks ,.keep up the good work guys.Groeten uit NederlandGrewtings.from the NetherlandsHenk(entor68NL)

Henkenator68NL
12-03-2012, 09:39 PM
I hope she gets well soon.my sympathy m8Greets, Henk

HiVizMan
12-03-2012, 09:48 PM
For purposes of the challenge I would focus on getting the most GPU score you can in Vantage. Unigine is all VGA, vantage is more than that. The processor speed will play a huge part in your graphic score, but more from an increase in frequency of the CPU the higher your video score will be. And it is by quite a bit that you can improve your video score I can tell you.

The ER will be changing and Darkmaul and I have been having many good chats on Skype he has come to agree that it is not quite as simple as one would hope, but certainly the amount of work and effort he is putting into this challenge from a back end and a participant is quite superb and I am very grateful for that involvement. For now the other tip I can give is look at your video memory speeds, it might be worth while having higher video memory and loose sa 10 or 20 MHz on the core - test and see what the out come is of higher video memory speed.

Xrkc6x
12-04-2012, 02:54 AM
I was researching which processes/ services to disable to squeeze the most out of my G75 this weekend--to show the world just what this G75 can do...but alas, a family medical emergency popped up that ate away all of my weekend.

The wife is recovering well, but I may need to postpone the nums that I know all are just dying to see. So sorry. All I can say is "When I can..."

Hope everything will go smoothly do u mate, take care now.

Henkenator68NL
12-04-2012, 11:46 AM
Alrighty then!

I took the advice and tweaked the GPU memory upwards, here are my new best results.

Hardware Used:
Maximus V Extreme
Core i7 3777K
2 x 4 Gb Corsair Dominator 2133
1 x GTX 660 Asus directCU II OC
Cooler Master 1000Watt

Scores with these settings:
CPU@4600Hz Memory : 2133 MHz
GPU@1160
Unigene Xtreme Score: X1625.417

14511


3DMark Vantage Performance Preset:
Total: P29197
GPU: 28232
CPU: 32534

14512



Nice improvements what do you guys think?

HiVizMan
12-04-2012, 12:12 PM
I like it when a plan comes together. Nice work Henk.

Henkenator68NL
12-04-2012, 12:32 PM
I like it when a plan comes together. Nice work Henk.

Thanks M8 , learning a lot again. Still tweaking ...

Hope to find some more room.

Still .... when I have max OC for GPU at CPU@4600 and I go to 4700 or higher ... the GPU score go down ... I can't find the reason why.

Game on !

Xrkc6x
12-04-2012, 12:48 PM
that's the spirit of competition, learning learning, learning!

Dartmaul
12-04-2012, 01:42 PM
Thanks M8 , learning a lot again. Still tweaking ...

Hope to find some more room.

Still .... when I have max OC for GPU at CPU@4600 and I go to 4700 or higher ... the GPU score go down ... I can't find the reason why.

Game on !

I guess you need better cooling. I've seen this stuff on my previous I7 920 chip. It's too much heat and bad OC settings.

BTW seems that my "awesome" ER system doesn't work( I need some more time, sorry guys(

HiVizMan
12-04-2012, 02:08 PM
Here are some figures showing scaling of GPU with increased processor frequency.

CPU score first then the VGA score

CPU VGA
40K 36394
43K 37615
45K 37887
46K 38251
48K 38418


So 2000 points gain in the VGA side of things with a 8000 point increase in CPU score. Makes a huge difference in this contest.

Xrkc6x
12-04-2012, 02:58 PM
Here are some figures showing scaling of GPU with increased processor frequency.

CPU score first then the VGA score

CPU VGA
40K 36394
43K 37615
45K 37887
46K 38251
48K 38418


So 2000 points gain in the VGA side of things with a 8000 point increase in CPU score. Makes a huge difference in this contest.

that's make a big difference, its good i guess...

Skull6
12-04-2012, 09:11 PM
She's stable...& thanks for all the well--wishes.

In trying to streamline the process of determining just which processes I actually do need to keep running to get a baseline to the tweak upon, & rather than doing the "shut off a process & test to see if things remain stable"--for each of the few remaining processes I still have to test, does anyone actually know just which processes I have to leave active (at a bare minimum) to be able to successfully run these tests? & if so, would they be willing to share? (Win 7 home Premium, 64-bit on a stock V75GW--BBK5)

Sorry for the run-on sentences. 2 hours sleep in as many days is starting to show its toll...

Arne Saknussemm
12-04-2012, 09:38 PM
Hey Skull6 hope everything is a bit (read lot) better for you and with your missus.

If you have a look at this site, the guy has worked out pretty much what you can shut off RE services etc. http://www.blackviper.com/ and for WIN 7 there is a utility that runs based on his recommendations.... http://www.thewindowsclub.com/smart-a-utility-for-tweaking-windows-7-vista-xp-services

(http://www.thewindowsclub.com/smart-a-utility-for-tweaking-windows-7-vista-xp-services)But get some sleep first dude! And there will be more challenges I'm sure and this one has a ways to go yet......

Menthol
12-05-2012, 03:30 AM
that's make a big difference, its good i guess...

But keeping the CPU score as close to but just under 50000 is just a little tricky, but I understand that you have to have some constant for your calculations. And yes AMD is spanking the 680's now, I am having a hard time resisting the urge to buy a couple 7970's just for this competition, but I think I'll stick with what I have and compete the best I can by working on learning some tweaks. AMD needs a big win somewhere they aren't getting them with CPU's. The worst thing that could happen is for AMD to go under as a company.

Xrkc6x
12-05-2012, 08:35 AM
But keeping the CPU score as close to but just under 50000 is just a little tricky, but I understand that you have to have some constant for your calculations. And yes AMD is spanking the 680's now, I am having a hard time resisting the urge to buy a couple 7970's just for this competition, but I think I'll stick with what I have and compete the best I can by working on learning some tweaks. AMD needs a big win somewhere they aren't getting them with CPU's. The worst thing that could happen is for AMD to go under as a company.

Totally agree with u.

HiVizMan
12-05-2012, 09:46 AM
In years past nVid would tailor make their drivers to spank AMD on all the synthetic benchmarks on Futuremark ORB. I an not a AMD fanboi either. So it is swings and roundabouts with the cards right now. The next cards might just have AMD back on the defensive. That is the nature of a cut throat business.

Xrkc6x
12-05-2012, 12:49 PM
let me understand.... now that i went buying 3x gtx680 ati is performing better? :P -.-"

Menthol
12-05-2012, 01:06 PM
Yes when the 680 first came out it was leading now it's not. I believe for normal every day use and gaming there isn't a real difference. Like Viz said in the past Nvidia was pretty sneaky about tuning there drivers for benchmarks, turnaround is fair play

HiVizMan
12-05-2012, 01:13 PM
Lets not confuse benching with real world stuff. Day to day the Green team still have the edge with games and especially with multicards. AMD have real problems with some of their Chrossfire profile issues.

You can do way more with AMD cards voltage and frequency wise without having to frankenstein the card.

Xrkc6x
12-05-2012, 01:21 PM
Lets not confuse benching with real world stuff. Day to day the Green team still have the edge with games and especially with multicards. AMD have real problems with some of their Chrossfire profile issues.

You can do way more with AMD cards voltage and frequency wise without having to frankenstein the card.

i love the expression "frankestein the card" ahahah ok, got you guys, thanks!

Dartmaul
12-05-2012, 09:43 PM
Ok guys, I've spend really much time trying to calculate ER using math and all countable values about every VGA but seems that's impossible.

Here's the leader board I've got for today. It's for sure a beta version, VGA and tessellation coefficient's will be changed but right here and now the scores are following:

Single GPU

Rank Name ER
1 X Pack 10170.21
2 Dartmaul 10157.15
3 driftingforlife 9602.63
4 Chino 9515.05
5 Menthol 9499.59
6 driftingforlife 9040.26
7 Henkenator68NL 8834.45
8 flexnl 8538.28


Multi GPU

Rank Name ER
1 Dartmaul 1627.23
2 X Pack 1601.65 (some tessellation adjustments are required)
3 Menthol 1567.99
4 Sinebrychof 1554.76
5 Henkenator68NL 1485.86
6 Arne Saknussemm 1474.66

If you wanna QQ about your low score - now it's the right time for it :o
Any suggestions/comments/opinions are welcome.


PS Cheers X Pack!;)
http://assets.overclock.net.s3.amazonaws.com/6/66/66f45fa0_vbattach185471.jpeg

Xrkc6x
12-05-2012, 11:01 PM
U r my hero hahaga that's so cool mate :-) btw well done good job I think it can work I dud done calculation and looks like well designed... I'm not an expert but I think it's good.

My respect for your hard work ;-)

Menthol
12-06-2012, 02:33 AM
Dartmaul,
I have no complaints with your scoring looks like you've put the effort into it. If I took my PC outside I would have to cover it with sun block. Will try and post another run this weekend if I get some time.

Rockford
12-06-2012, 03:14 AM
tessellation adjustment required?

Please tell..

I just launch.....

Henkenator68NL
12-06-2012, 04:04 AM
Hey Dart,

thanks for all the work you have put in ...

However I see my GTX660 (Single GPU) score drop almost to bottom of list .. :confused: Is this due to VGA Coeff??

Love to know, cause than I know if I have to keep Pushing..

Let me know m8!

Cheers

Henkenator68NL
12-06-2012, 04:21 AM
By the way I would love to look at, the underlying calculations and factors you used. May be I can have a look at it. Who knows what comes to mind.let know DartHenkenator68NL

Skull6
12-06-2012, 06:04 AM
Wife's back home. Meds seem to be working. She's asleep mow, & I'm on my way as well. Thanks to all. & yes, I had tweaked my system according to Blackviper'sm almost as soon as I recieved my Laptop. My concern is whether or not I should be turning off any ASUS-specific processes that I can find little on--except maybe their name (Like "ATK" = hotkeys, but I don't know enough to know if thurning them off will adversely effect the system. I'm hoping to be able to do any final tweaks, test & post results this weekend. Might get to the point where I just post what I have done so far...& then tweak more when I get the time.

660's holding all the rest on the list up higher, huh? I guess sacrifices must be made for the good of the group? ;)

Dartmaul
12-06-2012, 07:23 AM
@X Pack
I mean adjustments in score calculation.
Since you haven't disabled tessellation in your 2xGPU submission, the coefficient I use to balance it may be not accurate enough.
I guess you have to be on 1st place.
If you could, post 2 Unigine screenshots with the same settings, (same as you used for your previous submission or something close to it), with and w/o tessellation. It will help me to balance the coeff. In my case it was 15% difference so current tessellation coefficient is x1.15.

@Henk
Your 660 was actually the most complicated place to balance (470 was also pretty hard). I had tried some formulas that worked well but these 2 cards have received enormous high\low scores.

So here's the VGA coefficient list for this leader board.

HD7970 1
GTX680 1.09
HD7950 1.11
GTX670 1.17
GTX660 1.57
GTX470 2.05
HD6990 2.25

The whole formula is:
(((Unigine score * tessellation coefficient (if needed)) *15 (weigh balance)) + Vantage GPU score) * VGA Coefficient)/100

Xrkc6x
12-06-2012, 08:39 AM
Hei Dart I still don't see my results, is cause I'm running a 3way? Thsnks

Dartmaul
12-06-2012, 09:57 AM
As I know, MultiGPU is actually DualGPU. It's a question for Viz actually.
I saw only 2-3 3xgpu submissions, that's not enough to make a separate category.
And I also have no idea how to balance x2 and x3 submission. Since SLI/CF performance gain depends of amount of cards (for example 2nd gives you 70% performance boost (comparing to single), 3th 40% more and 4th 25% more)

Henkenator68NL
12-06-2012, 10:35 AM
@Henk
Your 660 was actually the most complicated place to balance (470 was also pretty hard). I had tried some formulas that worked well but these 2 cards have received enormous high\low scores.

So here's the VGA coefficient list for this leader board.

HD7970 1
GTX680 1.09
HD7950 1.11
GTX670 1.17
GTX660 1.57
GTX470 2.05
HD6990 2.25

The whole formula is:
(Unigine score * tessellation coefficient (if needed) *15 (weigh balance) + Vantage GPU score * VGA Coefficient)/100

Hey Dart, I try to duplicate the calculations but I don't get it right

Example My latest posted result for 1 x GTX 660:

Unigene Xtreme Score: 1625.417
Vantage GPU Score: 28232
Vantage Performance Score: P 29197


So if I use the calculation method, the way I interpretated the methode:
Unigene Score x 15 = 1625.417*15=24381.26
Vantage GPU x VGA Coef = 28232*1.57 = 44324.24
Total Score = 24381.26+ 44324.24 = 68705.5
This been devided by 100: 68705.50/100 = 687.055

So I can't figure out how you did it.

The Exel formula

I used is depicted here:

14606

And is it correct that the VGA coef is only applied to the GPU score and not to the Unigene Score??

Please let me know to gain some better insight

Cheers Henk

Xrkc6x
12-06-2012, 10:40 AM
As I know, MultiGPU is actually DualGPU. It's a question for Viz actually.
I saw only 2-3 3xgpu submissions, that's not enough to make a separate category.
And I also have no idea how to balance x2 and x3 submission. Since SLI/CF performance gain depends of amount of cards (for example 2nd gives you 70% performance boost (comparing to single), 3th 40% more and 4th 25% more)

I see your point, lets wait for the Boss :-)

Dartmaul
12-06-2012, 12:05 PM
Henk you've forgot about Tessellation coeff. It's 1.15 and has to be applied to every Nvidia submission.

Unigene Xtreme Score: 1625.417 *1.15=1869,22955*15=28038,44325
Vantage GPU Score: 28232+28038,44325=56270,44325*1.57=88344,5959025/10=8834.45959025

everything is ok I guess

PS It should be /100 not /10, my fault, but doesn't changes anything)

Henkenator68NL
12-06-2012, 12:51 PM
Henk you've forgot about Tessellation coeff. It's 1.15 and has to be applied to every Nvidia submission.

Unigene Xtreme Score: 1625.417 *1.15=1869,22955*15=28038,44325
Vantage GPU Score: 28232+28038,44325=56270,44325*1.57=88344,5959025/10=8834.45959025

everything is ok I guess

PS It should be /100 not /10, my fault, but doesn't changes anything)

Thanks for they answer m8,

But I have a question:

WHY use the VGA Coef only on the Vantage score...
I think they should apply on Vantage and Enigene Score!
The same card = the same handicap per test I thought to be fair.



Another question:
The Vantage Score is calculated how: GPU SCORE + ?? score= X * coef /10 ??

So what would that calcualtion be for:
Vantage Score: P29319
Vantage GPU : 28297
Vantage CPU : 32884

Could you please write down the formula for me?

Thanks M8 , hope I am not anoying you, but I need to know to keep my mind at ease!

HiVizMan
12-06-2012, 12:58 PM
Unlike Dartmaul I do not make any additional adjustment for Tessellation. That overcomplicates things. I do make an adjustment at the individual card level. So all cards that can not adjust Tess get a small adjustment based on .

The ER is now a simple handicap formula. I have instructed Dartmaul to not take into account the frequency of the graphic cards, core or memory. The poor man was hardly sleeping and my skype was getting worn out.


Multi cards submissions of more than 2 cards are listed on final score totals only and fall under the open class. However if you wish to compete in the dual card or even in the single card section. Remember you have dip switches on your board that will enable or deselect the PCIe lanes. Use them to make your system single card or Sli.

Dartmaul thank you so very much for your efforts and I think you are doing a good job. I will upload my numbers in a few hours and then we can compare.

Grott if you decide not to use Tessellation in any of your submissions, single or dual card. That is of course your choice however as the card has that capacity to change Tess I factor that in. Not sure which result you did not tweak Tess but if you did not in one just a heads up for you :)

HiVizMan
12-06-2012, 12:58 PM
Thanks for they answer m8,

But I Still question the reason use the VGA Coef only on the Vantage score... I think they should apply on Vantage and Enigene Score!
The same card = the same handicap per test I thought to be fair.



Another question:

The Vantage Score is calculated how: GPU SCORE + ??

Only the VGA score.

HiVizMan
12-06-2012, 12:58 PM
Thanks for they answer m8,

But I Still question the reason use the VGA Coef only on the Vantage score... I think they should apply on Vantage and Enigene Score!
The same card = the same handicap per test I thought to be fair.



Another question:

The Vantage Score is calculated how: GPU SCORE + ??

Only the VGA score.

Menthol
12-06-2012, 12:59 PM
Dartmaul, unless I'm mistaken anything past 2 cards is open class, anything goes, Viz just hasn't posted them on the leader board yet.

Henkenator68NL
12-06-2012, 01:05 PM
Only the VGA score.

Hi M8,

I see now how it works ! Thanks

Dartmaul
12-06-2012, 01:15 PM
But I have a question:

WHY use the VGA Coef only on the Vantage score
I'm not)
Look at the formula, VGA coefficient is applied to both scores.


Unlike Dartmaul I do not make any additional adjustment for Tessellation. That overcomplicates things. I do make an adjustment at the individual card level. So all cards that can not adjust Tess get a small adjustment based on .
I use tessellation coefficient because of AMD users can force disable it, but also can keep it on. So I use this coeff to balance every single submissions if needed.

HiVizMan
12-06-2012, 01:20 PM
Henk on one of the models I use I bring every ones CPU score up to 50000 and then calculate the final score for Vantage. But that was not helping matters much at all, as by doing that you did not show the gains that could be made to the VGA score component if the CPU was running at the 50K level. Clearly in this challenge the trick is to get your CPU score to 50000 or as close as dammit.

The AMD Tess advantage is sorted now, thanks to Dartmauls maths so it is now a shoot out to who can get that extra bit of performance in the two benchmarks.

Henkenator68NL
12-06-2012, 01:44 PM
@Dart and HiViz

I see that you did take that for both calculations !! My Bad Sorry for the confusion!

Keep up the good work!

Henkenator68NL
12-06-2012, 02:21 PM
This is about All I could squize out of my system! Stopping for now


Hardware Used:
Maximus V Extreme
Core i7 3777K
2 x 4 Gb Corsair Dominator 2133
1 x GTX 660 Asus directCU II OC
Cooler Master 1000Watt

Scores with these settings:
CPU@4800Hz Memory : 2133 MHz
GPU@1140
Unigene Xtreme Score: X1625.417
14609

3Dmark Vantage : P29507
GPU score: 28357


14610


Thanks for all the help and advise !

Cya!

flexnl
12-06-2012, 03:16 PM
guys can someone plz tell me what mobo i need to buy
for my socket 775 rig ..
i wanna oc my core2Q and build a sweet rig with it
i have all; components ready to go, only nees a good mobo
im eyeballin a mobo with ddr3 memorie with G41 chipsetis like this
http://www.salland.eu/product/966167/msi-g41m-p28-g41m-p28.html
is this a fairly overclockable mobo or am i better of with ddr2, more high end mobo
?
pff i hope someone understaNDS my poor english bhaha
I
btw sorry 4 off topic

HiVizMan
12-06-2012, 03:27 PM
LOL no problem. That board is not going to overclock too much at all.

There is no way you will buy a new LGA 775 board today that is geared for overclocking. Second hand boards are what you will need to look at.

Dartmaul
12-06-2012, 03:29 PM
I guess there's a sense to explain the whole conception of our challenge.

In difference from SuperPi challenge, the ER in this contest isn't based on frequencies. So the more points you squeeze the more ER you get.
Let's take a look on restrictions and their sense and meaning.
50000 Vantage CPU score cap is used to add some tweaking opportunity. Since CPU frequency affects both CPU and GPU scores, the main idea is to overclock the CPU without crossing 50k mark.
That's why memory isn't affected by any restrictions at all - it should be used to manipulate Vantage CPU score.
In simple words, you have slow down the memory to be able to put more CPU MHz under 50k mark. And OC both CPU and mem for Unigine off course.
In perfection you have to get (for 6-core Intel CPU users) 49900-50000 Vantage CPU score with around 5GHz CPU frequency.
Now about the VGA tweaking. As you know, Unigine is harder to pass then Vantage, so use it to find out your VGA's limits. Don't forget to OC VGA's memory it makes huge (sometimes even more then GPU's frequency) impact on scores! Raise VGA's mem frequency for Vantage run if possible, it's allowed.
Also VGAs like cold, bring them outside to get some nasty OC potential boost ;)
Try to play around different VGA BIOSes and tweaking software, some of them could give you additional voltage range.
Use strap and BCLK overclock to adjust frequencies much accurate.


I've posted this crap to make Viz post some objection and find out his secrets and use them to beat X Pack!!!

flexnl
12-06-2012, 03:42 PM
LOL no problem. That board is not going to overclock too much at all.

There is no way you will buy a new LGA 775 board today that is geared for overclocking. Second hand boards are what you will need to look at.

lol i was wondering why it was so hard to find one :)
so now i know :) tnx
any one have a spare maximus II laying around? :D
can you give me some advice... board specific
dont care about the brand :D asus would be nice ofcourse :D

Xrkc6x
12-06-2012, 04:23 PM
All clear to me thx everybody for your hard work. Boss i think I'll be challenging for open class only :-) lets see this we, I'll submit some more scores... :-)

HiVizMan
12-06-2012, 05:03 PM
All good lads. PM sent re motherboard.

Try the single card too Xrkc6x it is fun and will not harm your system.

New update from my side of things. Compare and contrast with Dartmauls version and ask what ever questions you would like to.

14613

Chino
12-06-2012, 06:32 PM
GTX 670 ownage. Nuff said. :cool:

Dartmaul
12-06-2012, 06:38 PM
So now X Pack will make a run without tessellation and I'll loose both standings(

Xrkc6x
12-06-2012, 09:19 PM
I will try boss

Menthol
12-07-2012, 01:56 AM
Xrkc6x, thats what those pcie switches are for buddy, play in all 3 categories. A single card will overclock higher than multiple cards at same time, unless you are willing to spend the time to overclock each card individually
Damn I have been shamed by a 470, lower my head in shame.

Xrkc6x
12-07-2012, 09:48 AM
Xrkc6x, thats what those pcie switches are for buddy, play in all 3 categories. A single card will overclock higher than multiple cards at same time, unless you are willing to spend the time to overclock each card individually
Damn I have been shamed by a 470, lower my head in shame.

I'll find the best spot for CPU and ill submit again single/2waySLI/3waySLI. ;-)

Henkenator68NL
12-07-2012, 11:32 PM
All good lads. PM sent re motherboard.Try the single card too Xrkc6x it is fun and will not harm your system. New update from my side of things. Compare and contrast with Dartmauls version and ask what ever questions you would like to.14613Hi HiVizMan,If I compare you ER result.. Do you use a different VGA coefficient?In you score the used methode brings me close to the other scores. At Dartmauls liist de.difference is way bigger .. Uncloseable even. I Think I rather stick to you ER list. If that is,the one to be used i,will have an other go...Eager to find out!Greatings from a snowy Netherlands ... (excellent to do the benching outside ..,lol