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dclanz
01-19-2013, 04:14 PM
Hi fellow ROGers,

I am contemplating upgrading the stock 750GB hard drive of my G46VW unit to a SSD. The minimum size I'm willing to install is 500 - 512 GB (256GB is a fair trade off for the increase in speed) and I've read that the Samsung SSD drives work pretty well (particularly the 840 series). Currently I am considering one out of the two following options (note that the prices displayed reflect those at the time of posting):

1. Samsung 840 Pro Series 2.5" 512GB SSD MZ-7PD512BW US$542.95 http://goo.gl/tKlJY

2. Samsung 840 Series 2.5" 500GB SSD MZ-7TD500BW US$369.99 http://goo.gl/gCC5n

Aside from the differences in price, size, read/write speeds, accompanying software and hardware (as outlined on Amazon), I'm really considering the second choice. Is this a worthy upgrade going with the second choice or should I shell out a bit more for the first choice? Or, is there a better option out there? In case anyone is wondering my budget for this upgrade is around US $400. Thanks for the input :)

TenBlade
01-19-2013, 04:49 PM
The 830 series is quicker on write speed than the 840, and only a tiny bit slower on read, but the 840 pro should be right up there, but at a higher cost.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6337/samsung-ssd-840-250gb-review/5

Clintlgm
01-19-2013, 05:10 PM
I am not sorry for buying a sumsung 830 256gb. Got in on sale right before the 840 hit the market

dclanz
01-19-2013, 05:34 PM
The 830 series is quicker on write speed than the 840, and only a tiny bit slower on read, but the 840 pro should be right up there, but at a higher cost.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6337/samsung-ssd-840-250gb-review/5

Thank you for the link TenBlade! The review is pretty good but the price of the Samsung 830 512GB SSD is a bit high at US$480 http://goo.gl/6RhxJ. I understand it performs a bit better than the 840 but price wise it's still a bit steep so I'm still keeping an eye on the 840.

dclanz
01-19-2013, 05:38 PM
I am not sorry for buying a sumsung 830 256gb. Got in on sale right before the 840 hit the market

Looks like you got lucky! :D But I need to ask, even though it is much faster than conventional hard drives, is the ssd size (256GB) enough for you? The reason I ask is because if I am going to replace the stock 750GB, I may as well get something large enough (256GB less isn't that much of a loss but 500GB+....I'd rather have that internally and still use my 1TB external) :)

lbjgh
01-19-2013, 07:34 PM
http://rog.asus.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16117&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1358621497I just installed the 840 pro and got decent results.

dclanz
01-19-2013, 07:56 PM
http://rog.asus.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16117&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1358621497I just installed the 840 pro and got decent results.

Very nice results!

Clintlgm
01-19-2013, 08:13 PM
Well I use the SSD for OS and Programs C: 130 GB D: 80 GB I have 25 GB formatted. MY C: has 85 GB free space, My D: drive has 47 GB Free space currently. I guess if I could afford a 500 GB SSD I might have or will install one. I don't feel that I am missing out on anything the way I'm set. My 750 GB is less than 20% filled I have some of my programs installed on one of the partition on it, programs that I don't use often or don't require fast load up times. This is just me you'll set yours as it will work best for you.

Clintlgm
01-19-2013, 08:20 PM
16119
I think these are average for G75 with SSD

gokica
01-19-2013, 08:27 PM
I would get 830 for their reliability that has been proven over time or 840 pro. However with the price on the 840 non-pro I think it is a great choice.

dclanz
01-20-2013, 12:35 AM
Thanks for all the input guys, I've decided to go with the 840 (non-pro) partly because of the good price and the fact that it's on par with the 830 (thanks gokica). The 840 Pro while lovely.....is really expensive! Once it arrives from the US I'll set it up and see what my score looks like. :) Clint I'd have gone that exact route except the G46VW only has one hard drive bay and I felt like taking out the only large hard drive I had would be an injustice to the system. :P

MISIKEX
01-21-2013, 10:18 AM
Hi fellow ROGers,

I am contemplating upgrading the stock 750GB hard drive of my G46VW unit to a SSD. The minimum size I'm willing to install is 500 - 512 GB (256GB is a fair trade off for the increase in speed) and I've read that the Samsung SSD drives work pretty well (particularly the 840 series). Currently I am considering one out of the two following options (note that the prices displayed reflect those at the time of posting):

1. Samsung 840 Pro Series 2.5" 512GB SSD MZ-7PD512BW US$542.95 http://goo.gl/tKlJY

2. Samsung 840 Series 2.5" 500GB SSD MZ-7TD500BW US$369.99 http://goo.gl/gCC5n

Aside from the differences in price, size, read/write speeds, accompanying software and hardware (as outlined on Amazon), I'm really considering the second choice. Is this a worthy upgrade going with the second choice or should I shell out a bit more for the first choice? Or, is there a better option out there? In case anyone is wondering my budget for this upgrade is around US $400. Thanks for the input :)

The sansung is sh*t....

The best SSD: OCZ Vertex 4

ronmolina
01-21-2013, 10:24 AM
OCZ Vector is the top for now.

Belenos
01-21-2013, 10:29 AM
I've also chosen the 840er (500gb) and I haven't regretted so far. There are a lot of negative reviews and experiences about the Vertex so that I haven't bought it.

ronmolina
01-21-2013, 10:41 AM
I have several Vertex's and never had a single problem. Have II's, III's and IV's. Also, the agilities are good as well. Have the Vectors in my new build and the Vertex IV in last years build.

dclanz
01-21-2013, 04:18 PM
Well, it's a bit too late to change my mind now seeing that the order is on the way but thank you all for the recommendations. One of my major reasons for selecting the Samsung is because I saw someone's successful post with the installation of it on the ASUS G46VW (on another forum). :)

Clintlgm
01-21-2013, 07:30 PM
Sorry I forgot that you only had a G46

Myk SilentShadow
01-21-2013, 07:34 PM
The sansung is sh*t....

The best SSD: OCZ Vertex 4

Who says the Samsungs are crap? i've had no problem with my 128GB 830 Samsung SSD yet and there are many members here who'll back me up in saying they're damn good drives, please provide evidence to back up your claim.

lbjgh
01-21-2013, 10:24 PM
I have an oldish Intel x25v 40gb which has been flawless.

My new 840pro 128gb gets a scorching 8.1 on WEI.:o

Daylife
01-21-2013, 10:28 PM
Samsung 830 series 256Gb

Colonel Panic
01-22-2013, 04:16 AM
The sansung is sh*t....

The best SSD: OCZ Vertex 4

Anand disagrees with you. According to him the top 3 performing SSDs at that price point, in no particular order, are the Crucial M4, the Samsung 830, and the OCZ.

rewben
01-22-2013, 05:28 AM
there is no need to argue which one is 'the best', my friends. we all know that ssds are still in the stage of evolving (like what we saw in acer's s7 ultrabook (http://thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/acer-unexpectedly-introduces-new-ssd-form-factor-in-s7-ultrabook/), which is one single 2x128gb liteon's rai0 msata ssd at near 1GB/s; maybe at later stages we can have a raid0 normal ssd; who knows?). there will always be another 'the best' in every few months.

in terms of speed, i have tried some of them; intel 520, ocz vertex 3/4 (currently running these two), and samsung 830. there is no significant difference between these drives when you use them to do daily tasks. well, there are differences, but those can only be observed during benchmarking (which are kind of pointless).

many other brands have good products, too. crucial m4 (and the coming m500; m4 has the lowest rates of return according to some reports), plextor m5p (liteon is using their technology i think), corsair neutron gtx; the list goes on and on.

to me, the best ones are those work well with the laptops, with acceptable performance even if they are 75% filled, relatively durable, and most importantly, match your budget. so, there're plenty of them to choose from.

edit: ocz agility were reported by some to not working well in these laptops. however, some said other wise.

by the way, i think we should consider an ssd to be 'the best' by taking into accounts of its performance/speed, durability, and price/gb.

ashue
01-22-2013, 03:50 PM
As far as I am concerned that as of now that ssd's are still work in progress and no brand is the best with it as for the "meantime" Haha.
Not sure if the best brand debate will end though for all products. Lol. But for now I am hoping to see more large capacity ssd's to come out andpersonally I think that will be the time that I will try this out even though I am excited to try it already.

Upcoming 2tb ssd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcXn0MuaDo4
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/15/foremay-claims-to-have-the-first-2tb-2-5-inch-ssds/
http://thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/solidata-to-unveil-2tb-lsi-sandforce-driven-2-5-sata-2-ssd-first-pictures/
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/2tb-ssd-runs-crazy-fast-burns-desks/

rewben
01-22-2013, 04:11 PM
As far as I am concerned that as of now that ssd's are still work in progress and no brand is the best with it as for the "meantime" Haha.
Not sure if the best brand debate will end though for all products. Lol. But for now I am hoping to see more large capacity ssd's to come out andpersonally I think that will be the time that I will try this out even though I am excited to try it already.

Upcoming 2tb ssd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcXn0MuaDo4
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/15/foremay-claims-to-have-the-first-2tb-2-5-inch-ssds/
http://thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/solidata-to-unveil-2tb-lsi-sandforce-driven-2-5-sata-2-ssd-first-pictures/
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/2tb-ssd-runs-crazy-fast-burns-desks/

as of now, the price of one such drive is equal to our laptops :/ and the speed is of sata2 ://

edit: no, i should say, ".. is more expensive than our laptops :///"

ashue
01-22-2013, 04:15 PM
as of now, the price of one such drive is equal to our laptops :/ and the speed is of sata2 ://

agree with that rewben. maybe my ssd upgrade project will be postponed in the meantime for now but will consider it middle of this year, end of the year or next year i guess. :D

Tomislav
01-22-2013, 10:26 PM
agree with that rewben. maybe my ssd upgrade project will be postponed in the meantime for now but will consider it middle of this year, end of the year or next year i guess. :D I agree with you. I think I'll wait until end of q2,or mid q3 to see how much the prices will drop after this new ssd hit the market. And to see what older ssd will stop working after their warnanty start to expire.

Clintlgm
01-22-2013, 11:43 PM
Gee I don't know 5 year warranty seems pretty good to me for any hard drive?

Then again I lost count on how many WD Black's I've had to change out!

lbjgh
01-22-2013, 11:52 PM
5years from now you'll want the next best technology. :)

Micleg
01-23-2013, 09:19 AM
Bought an OCZ Vector 256 GB. Extremely pleased with it in my G75VX.

Colonel Panic
01-23-2013, 09:31 AM
Gee I don't know 5 year warranty seems pretty good to me for any hard drive?

Then again I lost count on how many WD Black's I've had to change out!

For me that's one. And it was 12-13 years old.

Tomislav
01-23-2013, 09:53 AM
Well since aprox. 2001 I never had a HDD die on me. I still have my old 40 Gb Baracuda (that was a beast at the time). One question:bunch of people told me not to buy OCZ SSD,apparently a bunch of them had bad experiences, I see here a bunch of you recommends them, so what's the catch? I was thinking about getting myself a Samsung later or maybe a Kingston. So what do you guys say?

Colonel Panic
01-23-2013, 11:07 AM
OCZ has a couple of lines. The unhappy people probably had an older Agility model ( 2 or 3) where as the happy people probably had an Agility 4 or a Vertex.

rewben
01-23-2013, 04:20 PM
Well since aprox. 2001 I never had a HDD die on me. I still have my old 40 Gb Baracuda (that was a beast at the time). One question:bunch of people told me not to buy OCZ SSD,apparently a bunch of them had bad experiences, I see here a bunch of you recommends them, so what's the catch? I was thinking about getting myself a Samsung later or maybe a Kingston. So what do you guys say?

yeah ocz 'established' their bad repo due to a number of reasons from what i have read, e.g. first the bad rates of return for certain lines of their products; adoption of then buggy sandforce controllers; and the performance degradation issue once the drives are filled up to more than 50% (performance dropped from max to 1/5 of the max).

the last reason is most probably why most customers avoid ocz products (other ssds maintain relatively constant performance). however, ocz has 'fixed' this issue with firmware 1.5 (for vertex 4).

out of curiousity i bought 2 generations of vertex; my experience with ocz drives are actually not bad.

Tomislav
01-23-2013, 05:43 PM
@Colone Panic- so the repo was true afterall but vertex 4 line is good. got it. @rewben well I wouldn't risk it myself. I remember back in the days of slow internet and not so many user reviews online you actually had to have a friend in a computer store to give you inside info about whats good and not. Point is, I still do have friends at computer stores and they told me the exact same thing about the OCZs (apparently older versions) you wrote. I'm not sure that vertex 4 is avaiable in my country yet, and USA shiping rates+Croatian customs and tax are killing me.

Edit: well they are and the price is aprox. 1.20 $/ Gb. Is the same in the states?

Callmebobzilla
01-24-2013, 03:55 PM
No, actually Newegg is running a sale it seems... 256gb OCZ Vertex 4 for $229.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600038519%20600038463&IsNodeId=1&name=2.5%22

rewben
01-24-2013, 04:19 PM
@Colone Panic- so the repo was true afterall but vertex 4 line is good. got it. @rewben well I wouldn't risk it myself. I remember back in the days of slow internet and not so many user reviews online you actually had to have a friend in a computer store to give you inside info about whats good and not. Point is, I still do have friends at computer stores and they told me the exact same thing about the OCZs (apparently older versions) you wrote. I'm not sure that vertex 4 is avaiable in my country yet, and USA shiping rates+Croatian customs and tax are killing me.

Edit: well they are and the price is aprox. 1.20 $/ Gb. Is the same in the states?

your friends are right, those bad things about ocz are history (the same happened to many; sandisk extreme - sandforce's trim issue, and the recent samsung 840; those 'bugs' were fixed). however, as consumers many still live in the nightmares of history.

their recent changes are encouraging; vertex 4 is a decent ssd after 1.5 firmware; vector is one of the fastest as of now, using their own controllers; but the damage's done; to win back the confidence of consumers it will take a while.

i am not a fan boy of ocz.

Tomislav
01-24-2013, 08:03 PM
No, actually Newegg is running a sale it seems... 256gb OCZ Vertex 4 for $229.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600038519%20600038463&IsNodeId=1&name=2.5%22
cool if you are in USA or Puerto Rico, and even if they would have international shipping it would cost around 35$ c+ tay and customs fees it would be almost 1,4$ / Gb. :( let me know if someone is coming to Croatia soon to bring me an SSD;)

dclanz
01-25-2013, 03:09 AM
Sorry I forgot that you only had a G46

No problem Clint. :) Just waiting for the SSD to clear customs so I can collect it perhaps tomorrow and install it over the weekend.

Edit: Got it today and excited about installing but I need to organize some stuff first. Naturally I have questions so this one goes to you good folks:

1. Can I use the ASUS backup software to create an image which I can toss back on the SSD? If not can I use a cloning utility? Otherwise, do I need to get an ISO to install?
2. Corderdpl has some nice images showing dis-assembly, however I did see someone tear the ribbon for the keyboard. I'm going to be extra careful opening it but are any particular steps I should stick to when replacing the drive?
3. Any other advice before i shut down and get it installed?

Thanks in advance :)

dclanz
01-27-2013, 12:20 AM
Successfully installed and running like a beast. Windows Experience Index is looking good! All I need to do now is update drivers etc. 16381

GottiBoi55
01-27-2013, 01:23 AM
I would recommend the " Samsung 840 Pro (256GB)", this is rated the "King of the Hill"!!!

Source:>>> Fastest SSD's
(http://www.fastestssd.com/featured/ssd-rankings-the-fastest-solid-state-drives/)
Benchmark:>>>.Anandtech.com
(http://www.anandtech.com/show/6328/samsung-ssd-840-pro-256gb-review/4)
Newegg price>>> Samsung 840 Pro (256GB) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/MappingPrice2012.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193)



PS: this will be the next SSD for me!

digidigdj
01-27-2013, 06:54 AM
good day
@dclanz im also planning to get a ssd and was wondering on how you moved your w8? did u use clone or imagine or used a new iso to reinstall w8 on your ssd? cheers n thnx

dclanz
01-27-2013, 01:42 PM
good day
@dclanz im also planning to get a ssd and was wondering on how you moved your w8? did u use clone or imagine or used a new iso to reinstall w8 on your ssd? cheers n thnx

Hi digidigdj, I used a trial of Paragorn Backup and Recovery to clone the entire HDD to SSD. The process is automated and all you need to do is swap the ssd for the hdd when finished. Here is a link to the exact procedure http://goo.gl/6ZVqR :)