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Enigma
06-04-2013, 10:06 PM
I recently found a topic here about this (http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?25311-Upgrading-G75-DS73-to-32GB-only-boots-with-24GB). I understand that 32 GB wont help me with gaming performance, but I would still like to use it for running multiple VMs, high-end graphics design software, RAMdisks, etc.

In the topic above a user describes not being able to boot up with 32 GB, but still being able to boot with less. And he states that he was using Corsair Vengeance sticks, whereas his friend was using the exact same thing with no ill effects. Now I'm a little wary of buying those since I might end up with the same issue and have to go thru the hassle of returning an otherwise perfectly good product. Later in that thread another user mentions buying Mushkin sticks and had no issues.

I know next to nothing about RAM or what the specs of the sticks I buy should be ( I do know how to install them properly though). Or what role timings, MHz, dual-channel (?), etc play in all of this. I just need something that's at least as fast as the sticks I already have and will give good performance, preferably it should also be viable for RAM overclocking and other tweaks. I still have the stocks sticks and they're perfectly fine, so I figure there's no use in buying 4 8GB sticks. Do all 4 sticks necessarily need to be the same manufacturer/type? Or can 2 be different from the stock sticks as long as they have similar specs? I think I'll probably go with the Mushkin chips unless someone can recommend something better. I'm also seeing some users here with the same/similar laptop as me and they have G.Skill in their signatures. Just figured I'd get a few questions answered before I go ahead with a purchase.

Thanks for any advice?

Clintlgm
06-04-2013, 10:32 PM
Well since you going for 32 GB you will have to install 4 8GB sticks there would be no reason to mix or match, of course you would purchase all the same brand etc.?
Timings are critical suggest you run Hwinfo64 that will give you all the data on your current RAM and timings, voltages etc. required.
You realize that to get to the 2 ram slots internal you will void your Warranty?
I think I would stick with the stock Ram specs. other spec ram may work or not.
There have been a few threads where people have had successes and failures with different brands and specs.

Enigma
06-05-2013, 12:57 AM
I really dont see why I cant just mix and match instead of buying 4 identical ram sticks. RAM is expensive and I'm on a limited budget, I'm not like some other gamers here that have thousands to burn on a whim. The 2 sticks I have are perfectly fine. So if I buy 2 more sticks that have specs that are the same as the stock ram sticks, then why wouldnt that be ok instead? I've had mixed and matched RAM with no issues in laptopsbefore so I know it's possible. Maybe someone can list some valid reasons why all 4 sticks NEED to be 100% identical? Will mixing and matching affect performance?

2nd, I only see TWO stick slots when I open the laptop. It's safe to assume that what is in there is x2 8GB, since I have a total of 16 GB. So it looks like if I want 32 GB then I'm going to have to buy 2 16GB sticks. But I do see something just underneath that and it doesnt appear to be easily accessible, I'm not sure if it's more RAM slots or not.

As for my warranty, I dont really care, I void the warranty on all electronics I buy (rooting my phone, messing with areas that are designated as serviceable only by the manufacturer or an authorized rep, etc.)

Pitcher@asus
06-05-2013, 02:00 AM
other 2 slot under KB, but asus not agree user disassembly KB, so it will void warranty, if you want to change those 2 RMA, i suggest you send back to service center to change or store where you bought.

rewben
06-05-2013, 02:28 AM
hi @Enigma, check this out (http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?23929-Adding-RAM-to-G75&p=168646&viewfull=1#post168646).

in your case, please use hwinfo64 to get the specifications of your stock ram first, then use that information to look for the matching ones. note that most of us have 4gb sticks instead of 8gb; so the compatible ram list in the above link might not be useful to you.

yes, you can mix and match the ram, as long as the new ram are fully compatible with the ones already in your laptop.

Clintlgm
06-05-2013, 04:20 AM
I really dont see why I cant just mix and match instead of buying 4 identical ram sticks. RAM is expensive and I'm on a limited budget, I'm not like some other gamers here that have thousands to burn on a whim. The 2 sticks I have are perfectly fine. So if I buy 2 more sticks that have specs that are the same as the stock ram sticks, then why wouldnt that be ok instead? I've had mixed and matched RAM with no issues in laptopsbefore so I know it's possible. Maybe someone can list some valid reasons why all 4 sticks NEED to be 100% identical? Will mixing and matching affect performance?

2nd, I only see TWO stick slots when I open the laptop. It's safe to assume that what is in there is x2 8GB, since I have a total of 16 GB. So it looks like if I want 32 GB then I'm going to have to buy 2 16GB sticks. But I do see something just underneath that and it doesnt appear to be easily accessible, I'm not sure if it's more RAM slots or not.

As for my warranty, I dont really care, I void the warranty on all electronics I buy (rooting my phone, messing with areas that are designated as serviceable only by the manufacturer or an authorized rep, etc.)

Well I think if you look into to things you'll find that the 2 sticks you can see are 4 GB each under your keyboard there are two more slots that also contain 2 4 GB stick? At least that is what is common for G75 with 16 GB of Ram. So If you want to have 32 GB you'll have to change all 4 slots to 8 GB sticks.
How ever you could change the top 2 slots that you can get to 8 GB and end up with 24 GB?
Voiding the Warrant comes in as to get to them internal Stick you'll pretty much have to completely dissemble your NB there under your keyboard.
Here is a link to a video of a complete dissemble, there are others but this one is pretty through. dissembling a G75 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9KHrJKInmA). Several of the people here have accomplished what you want to do perhaps they'll chime in with some links to the threads on this subject.

rewben
06-05-2013, 05:34 AM
i'm confused now.. @Enigma, g75 has 4 ram slots; 2 are hidden, while another 2 are exposed. from what i've read, you saw TWO stick slots (the two that are accessible). are they empty slots or occupied with 2 sticks of ram? if they are occupied, that means @Clintlgm is right, you have the option to replace the accessible ones with 2x8gb to get a total of 24gb, or if you need 32gb, you need to replace all the ram with 4x8gb.

cgren
06-05-2013, 10:06 AM
Guys, have you heard the news on the net regarding the 320.18 drivers damaging GPU's? there are proofs on that, after reading that i switch back to 314 for the mean time

here's the link on the news
http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/#.Ua2wNtz0yxW

Djask
06-05-2013, 01:56 PM
Lol, I personally don't have problems with the new drivers, and the only major problem I did have was installing the drivers, and that was actually my own fault, as I accidentally installed two drivers at the same time. :o

Djask
06-06-2013, 01:39 AM
And if you REALLY want to save money and upgrade to 32GB by just adding two more sticks, you'll need the exact same model of RAM that you currently have. I'd just go with 4 8GB sticks that are new and much better performance than the stock RAM such as Corsair Vengeance.

Enigma
07-02-2013, 12:17 PM
OK, so i've been doing a little reading up on RAM for awhile (now that I've saved enough to buy all 4 sticks at once), and for me it's down to Mushkin or Corsair. But the Corsair makes me a bit wary because of the guy in the post I linked, that bought 2 dual channel sets and had major issues. I took a look at the Mushkin Enhanced Essentials linked in Rewben's post, and I also checked their website. Now I'm a bit confused because they sell different classes of RAM (Redline, Enhanced Essentials, etc). I'm thinking that some of them are probably better suited to OCing and gaming than the others, and I dont mind paying a premium for top-grade. Another thing that confuses me is, I plan to dabble in OCing a bit. But without something like a modded BIOS, etc, I wont be able to do that regardless of what sticks I buy. Or no? I'm also assuming that I should buy 2 paired dual channel sets (4x8GB), and that lower voltage is generally better. I still havent been able to check the timing etc on my laptop, I've been spending alot of time working and recovering from crashes.

So if you guys can give me a little more guidance, like some pros and cons, and what else I should look for, then that would be really helpful.

Enigma
07-02-2013, 12:55 PM
As requested by Clintlgm, I have just taken screenshots with HWInfo64. I don't know how to interpret a lot of the data, so maybe the techies here can help me out a bit. This was taken on a freshly installed vanilla copy of Windows 8.1 Preview x64, and I don't currently have any drivers installed at all (not sure if that would negatively affect the accuracy of the readings is why I mention it).But anyway:

22624

22625

I decided not to take a screenshot of the specs for all 4 RAM sticks, since they are stock RAM and presumably have identical specs. I'm not sure what my timings and voltages are or the significance those things play when upgrading memory. It looks like my timings are 11-11-11-28 if I'm interpreting correctly, and I'm pretty sure I need sticks that run between 1600 to 1800-something MHz, and with a voltage of no more than 1.5V.

Thanks for any advice!

rewben
07-02-2013, 02:44 PM
thanks for the screen shots. your 4 ram slots are fully occupied with 4x4gb. yes, it's 11-11-11-28 1600MHz 1.5v. so in order to get to 32gb, you need all 4 sticks replaced with 8gb each.

because you are going to swap all of them, timings become not important (it matters when you wanna find the matching rams only).

i will suggest you get something with 1.35v, because it could help to save some battery life (well, maybe not that significant). 1.5v works fine, too. the timings should not be lower than 10 (might be too aggressive for g75).

you can check here out (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007609%20600006178%20600000410%20600213067&IsNodeId=1&name=16GB%20%282%20x%208G%29) for choices.

for 1.35v, my preferences are this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148614) and this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220747).

Enigma
07-03-2013, 04:30 AM
@ Rewben: Thanks for the response. You say that timings dont matter since I'm swapping all 4 sticks out, but that it does matter when matching sticks (dual-channel). That last part makes sense. But surely timings do matter. Am I correct in assuming that lower timings generally give better/faster performance? I'm not sure if the voltage really matters in my case, I rarely use my laptop when I'm not plugged in, and even then only for a short time. So even though lower voltage consumption is probably better, I dont think it will hurt anything to run at 1.50V, since that's what I already have anyway. As for the timings, why not lower than 10? I did a Google search and read some other forum posts stating to the effect that lower timings wont hurt anything. You say it *might* be too aggressive for the G75 to handle. What do you mean by that? I want to be able to run at a minumum of 1600 MHz, which I assume the G75 supports, maybe higher if available (anyone know of anything else?) And what is the highest MHz that the G75's mobo supports?

It looks like the speed is important, but timings seem to be even more important. I also want to be assured that I will be running at 1600 MHz minumum, rather than being downclocked to the 1300s (or less). Correct me if I'm wrong but I just kind of assume that if I buy 2 sets of identical dual channel RAM that supports 16xx MHz+, then it will run at that speed or higher. I'm also pretty sure the voltages would need to match, hence the need for dual-channel. But I dont think it particularly matters whether it runs at 1.35V or 1.50V. I say this because the guy (Quasimodem) that had the issues with his Corsair memory sticks said something along the lines that it needs to run at a specific voltage for it to run at 16xx MHz, and he also stated that the timings need to be 11-11-11-28. Even though you have stated that timings dont matter in my case.

And as I said before, I'm really only considering Mushkin or Corsair, maybe even G-Skill. I plan to do alot of gaming and OCing, I dont want general RAM that's designed for the average run-of-the-mill notebook. Which is my I'm limiting myself to those 3 brands at most, since I've read the most about them. A good warranty/return/refund policy is also very important, Mushkin seems to rank highest there. I read alot of posts where Corsair buyers had technical issues, as well as issues with customer support.

I dont want to take any major risks in installing this, I'm already voiding my warranty by accessing non-user serviceable areas, and I'm not very skilled with my hands or electronics repair/disassembly, which is why I'm being very careful. And of course I dont want to waste money on RAM that wont work, only to have to return/exchange it. I'm doing alot of research on this and getting 3rd opinions so that I get this right the first go-around. And I'm eager to go ahead and make a purchase within the next day or 2, but not if I'm not well-informed.

I took a look at the 1st link you gave. The Mushkin Enhanced Blackline looks particularly appealing, but it does have timings of 9-9-9-28, and voltage of 1.5V, which goes lower than the 10 you reccommend. What are the chances that my G75 will be able to successfully use this RAM without issues? The chances of failure? The Mushkin Enhanced Essentials also looks nice, and roughly matches the specs of the G75's stock memory. One listed G-Skill on that page has timings of 10-10-10, while the other has 11-11-11. It's just alot for me to evaluate is all. Also, what role does latency play? I assume that lower is better. In any case I plan to thoroughly test with MemTest.

Last, when it comes to OCing RAM, how would I go about that? Does it have to be supported in the BIOS? Would I need a modded BIOS? Or does the type of memory I'm looking for auto-OC itself and is auto-recognized by the mobo/cpu? I want to mess around with OCing which is part of the reason why I'm upgrading. Maybe someone can give some useful links pointing me in the right direction on this.

Well, thanks for any responses!

rewben
07-03-2013, 05:55 AM
@ Rewben: Thanks for the response. You say that timings dont matter since I'm swapping all 4 sticks out, but that it does matter when matching sticks (dual-channel). That last part makes sense. But surely timings do matter. Am I correct in assuming that lower timings generally give better/faster performance? I'm not sure if the voltage really matters in my case, I rarely use my laptop when I'm not plugged in, and even then only for a short time. So even though lower voltage consumption is probably better, I dont think it will hurt anything to run at 1.50V, since that's what I already have anyway. As for the timings, why not lower than 10? I did a Google search and read some other forum posts stating to the effect that lower timings wont hurt anything. You say it *might* be too aggressive for the G75 to handle. What do you mean by that? I want to be able to run at a minumum of 1600 MHz, which I assume the G75 supports, maybe higher if available (anyone know of anything else?) And what is the highest MHz that the G75's mobo supports?

It looks like the speed is important, but timings seem to be even more important. I also want to be assured that I will be running at 1600 MHz minumum, rather than being downclocked to the 1300s (or less). Correct me if I'm wrong but I just kind of assume that if I buy 2 sets of identical dual channel RAM that supports 16xx MHz+, then it will run at that speed or higher. I'm also pretty sure the voltages would need to match, hence the need for dual-channel. But I dont think it particularly matters whether it runs at 1.35V or 1.50V. I say this because the guy (Quasimodem) that had the issues with his Corsair memory sticks said something along the lines that it needs to run at a specific voltage for it to run at 16xx MHz, and he also stated that the timings need to be 11-11-11-28. Even though you have stated that timings dont matter in my case.


i said timings do not matter in your case, because you're not matching the new ram with stock ram (downclocking might happen due to different timings here). so you can choose whatever ram you want, with whatever timings you need.

yes, timings are important for performance reasons, the tighter the better. however, from what i've observed, the problem with asus laptops is that they are somewhat 'picky' about rams, and timings and ram size seemed to play some roles in this.

11-11-11-28 1.5v by default should run fine up until 32gb.

if you searched through this forum, you should be able to find that a friend here tried to put kingston hyperx into the machine; but it would not boot. Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz (10-10-10-27) starts to show inconsistency (meaning some have issues; some don't). about voltage, it's better to make sure all of your rams have the same voltage requirements.



And as I said before, I'm really only considering Mushkin or Corsair, maybe even G-Skill. I plan to do alot of gaming and OCing, I dont want general RAM that's designed for the average run-of-the-mill notebook. Which is my I'm limiting myself to those 3 brands at most, since I've read the most about them. A good warranty/return/refund policy is also very important, Mushkin seems to rank highest there. I read alot of posts where Corsair buyers had technical issues, as well as issues with customer support.


i am running G.Skill 10-10-10-28 1.5v 32gb ram; and i have no problem whatsoever.



I dont want to take any major risks in installing this, I'm already voiding my warranty by accessing non-user serviceable areas, and I'm not very skilled with my hands or electronics repair/disassembly, which is why I'm being very careful. And of course I dont want to waste money on RAM that wont work, only to have to return/exchange it. I'm doing alot of research on this and getting 3rd opinions so that I get this right the first go-around. And I'm eager to go ahead and make a purchase within the next day or 2, but not if I'm not well-informed.


good for you :) .. and i just share what i know to help you on that hehe..



I took a look at the 1st link you gave. The Mushkin Enhanced Blackline looks particularly appealing, but it does have timings of 9-9-9-28, and voltage of 1.5V, which goes lower than the 10 you reccommend. What are the chances that my G75 will be able to successfully use this RAM without issues? The chances of failure? The Mushkin Enhanced Essentials also looks nice, and roughly matches the specs of the G75's stock memory. One listed G-Skill on that page has timings of 10-10-10, while the other has 11-11-11. It's just alot for me to evaluate is all. Also, what role does latency play? I assume that lower is better. In any case I plan to thoroughly test with MemTest.


oh.. the first link is for your reference only (and no, they're not my recommendations). when you checked that page, you should be able to find what your preferred rams in the list, too. the ones that prove to work was here (http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?23929-Adding-RAM-to-G75&p=168646&viewfull=1#post168646) (they're also in the list, too).

i have no idea if that 9-9-9-28 works for your system sorry :/ if i referred to the case of hyperx, i suggest you don't get that one.



Last, when it comes to OCing RAM, how would I go about that? Does it have to be supported in the BIOS? Would I need a modded BIOS? Or does the type of memory I'm looking for auto-OC itself and is auto-recognized by the mobo/cpu? I want to mess around with OCing which is part of the reason why I'm upgrading. Maybe someone can give some useful links pointing me in the right direction on this.


sorry again i don't know about OC'ing rams. i know my G55 209 bios has this, but i don't do this.

Enigma
07-03-2013, 12:54 PM
Well, I finally made up my mind. I decided to buy 2 pairs of the Mushkin Enhanced Blackline memory, even despite the lower memory timings, and even though it's not on the list of known working memory for the G75 in your other thread. I'll post back in that thread if it works out, with some MemTest results if I can. Then maybe you can add it to the list. Worst case scenario is that it doesnt work and I have to return it and find something else. So it's an informed gamble. Then again so is life.

Thanks for the help!

rewben
07-03-2013, 02:59 PM
ok :) thanks for trying this high performance ram out, too. all the best!

cgren
07-04-2013, 01:50 PM
im sad im too late for this, i got lucky, when i bought my 16gb mems, i was trying to find corsair or gskill for my ram upgrade, but there where no stocks, the only one's available are the Crucial 16gb sodimms, i decided to get one, when i installed it, i realized that the 8GB mems stock cant be removed, so i decided to install the 16GB + the stock 8GB, then run Hwinfo, then boom all specs matched, even the timings, the only difference is the voltage, the stock is @ 1.5V and the Crucial is @ 1.35 but the other infos matched.

Enigma
07-08-2013, 03:26 PM
Well, I'm both angered and saddened to say that this will be my last post on the ROG forums (never posted much anyways, but that's besides the point). The day before yesterday my residence was burglarized and everything was stolen except minor items like clothes, food, etc. So my laptop is gone. I had already ordered the RAM and some other accessories and upgrades for the G75 just 2 days before this happened. I have not yet received those items. I will never know whether the new RAM will be compatible so I wont be able to provide those results.

So now I'm planning to move into a new apartment in a better community that is gated and coded so that you need to enter a PIN to enter. In the meantime I'll have to save up for a few months until I can afford what I want. But it wont be the G75VX or anyything else by ASUS. It will probably be either a Sager/Clevo custom build or a high end MSi. I have had a long run with ASUS for over 5 yrs now, having owned several laptops by them and only had some minor issues, for the most part they have treated me well. But now I want something that will essentially be future-proofed for the new few yrs, and what I'm getting will be around $3500+ with the best mobile processor available, 2 GPUs, etc. I have heard that Sager is super-tough and durable and meant to take a beating even when pushed to their outer limits, and that's exactly what I want next. Plus I want a custom build now that I think about it. I want to try something different as well.

I will still continue to buy ASUS products in the future, mostly a tablet and an ultrabook, since they seem to be the top-rated in those markets. In the meantime I can still use the upgrades I bought in whatever laptop I buy, they are universally compatible components that can be used in most notebooks. So at least I can save a bit of money.

Well, just wanted to give an update and bid farewell. Thanks for reading!

rewben
07-09-2013, 01:42 AM
@Enigma, oh.. sh!t happens. all the best with the new machine :/

Enigma
07-10-2013, 02:55 PM
Yes, sh!t happens at the most inopportune times, and that's what pisses me off. It seems I've had nothing but bad luck all year. I had the G75 for over a year and was very impressed with it, but the sound quality of the speakers sucked a$$. As it stands now I can barely afford to pay rent and buy food, in addition to paying for fares on the local metrorail/buses, which is quite expensive here. Drug addicts are everywhere, but Portland in particular is filled with meth-heads and heroin junkies who will steal anything they can to get their next fix. Meth is a huge problem in this city/state, according to some cops I've talked to. And they say that is most likely who broke in. Yet there is little they can do except keep my report on file, with no witnesses, physical decription of the suspect, etc. This has set me back quite a bit.

rewben
07-10-2013, 03:41 PM
damn.. sorry to hear that :/ it's really unfortunate of you ://

Tomislav
07-10-2013, 03:58 PM
@Enigma-sorry to hear that, it's never good to hear about misfortune of a fellow ROGer. Don't quit the community though, you are still welcome here. Hopefully they'll find the jerk that robbed you and return you your stuff.

Enigma
07-11-2013, 10:35 PM
I've thought long and hard about this, and even though ASUS has treated me well, I believe it's time to move on because even their most advanced gaming laptop, the G75VX, isn't really customizable or what I would call future-proofed. I've lately began to view ASUS laptops as being primarily targeted at enthusiasts who want good specs at a price that's less than what you would pay for an Alienware, Sager, etc. And there's no denying that's part of ASUS's marketing strategy and the image they want to project.

I'm looking for something that will easily last 2 to 4 yrs and will run all modern games like a champ at max settings and 60+ FPS, and will be able to do this for the next couple of years. I want a desktop processor in a laptop and 2 GPUs, room for 3+ HDDs/SSDs, 32+ gigs quad-channel RAM, etc. And quite frankly ASUS can't compete there. Of course this will be ridiculously expensive, but I'll have help paying for it.

It's unfortunate for this to happen to me now and I totally wasn't expecting it. But I've been wanting a custom build for awhile now and now I have the perfect reason to go for it. I really don't want to settle for less than the best I can get at a reasonable cost this time around, I'm going all out. Most technicians and fellow gamers I've talked to have said that Sager is the way to go for custom builds. I'll definitely be doing lots of research before buying anything, and I have several months+ to do that now.

And as I said before I'll still be buying tablets and ultrabooks from ASUS. I have had an ASUS TF700T Transformer Infinity in the past as well as an ultrabook that cost over $1K (tablet was stolen along along with the G75, the ultrabook was returned for a refund). I know I had never been more active in these forums, I had really intended to be. But I'm mainly just a forum surfer that sits back and gleans information, posting only occassionally when I feel I have something to contribute, and so as not to make a fool of myself in the face of far more experienced people by spouting things that may not be accurate. Every good thing must come to an end, my time with ASUS is done where gaming laptops are concerned.

All the best to everyone here, regardless of their brand of choice. But thanks for the consolation anyway.

ZeroBarrier
07-11-2013, 11:54 PM
I'm looking for something that will easily last 2 to 4 yrs and will run all modern games like a champ at max settings and 60+ FPS, and will be able to do this for the next couple of years. I want a desktop processor in a laptop and 2 GPUs, room for 3+ HDDs/SSDs, 32+ gigs quad-channel RAM, etc. And quite frankly ASUS can't compete there. Of course this will be ridiculously expensive, but I'll have help paying for it.

I believe what you are looking for is a desktop my friend.

rewben
07-12-2013, 12:24 AM
I've thought long and hard about this, and even though ASUS has treated me well, I believe it's time to move on because even their most advanced gaming laptop, the G75VX, isn't really customizable or what I would call future-proofed. I've lately began to view ASUS laptops as being primarily targeted at enthusiasts who want good specs at a price that's less than what you would pay for an Alienware, Sager, etc. And there's no denying that's part of ASUS's marketing strategy and the image they want to project.

I'm looking for something that will easily last 2 to 4 yrs and will run all modern games like a champ at max settings and 60+ FPS, and will be able to do this for the next couple of years. I want a desktop processor in a laptop and 2 GPUs, room for 3+ HDDs/SSDs, 32+ gigs quad-channel RAM, etc. And quite frankly ASUS can't compete there. Of course this will be ridiculously expensive, but I'll have help paying for it.

It's unfortunate for this to happen to me now and I totally wasn't expecting it. But I've been wanting a custom build for awhile now and now I have the perfect reason to go for it. I really don't want to settle for less than the best I can get at a reasonable cost this time around, I'm going all out. Most technicians and fellow gamers I've talked to have said that Sager is the way to go for custom builds. I'll definitely be doing lots of research before buying anything, and I have several months+ to do that now.

And as I said before I'll still be buying tablets and ultrabooks from ASUS. I have had an ASUS TF700T Transformer Infinity in the past as well as an ultrabook that cost over $1K (tablet was stolen along along with the G75, the ultrabook was returned for a refund). I know I had never been more active in these forums, I had really intended to be. But I'm mainly just a forum surfer that sits back and gleans information, posting only occassionally when I feel I have something to contribute, and so as not to make a fool of myself in the face of far more experienced people by spouting things that may not be accurate. Every good thing must come to an end, my time with ASUS is done where gaming laptops are concerned.

All the best to everyone here, regardless of their brand of choice. But thanks for the consolation anyway.

just get what you need and move on, as long as you're happy :)

however, as @ZeroBarrier pointed out, i think you should go for desktop, too. it's way cost-effective than getting a laptop in the long run.

tului
07-13-2013, 01:38 AM
Why didn't you have insurance? Renter's or Homeowner's

Tomislav
07-13-2013, 08:42 PM
Yup, bro ! Desktop time. Buy something heavy to lift, and chain it to your floor...