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Neptun
07-12-2013, 09:31 AM
Hello folks,

I have bought the cheapest version of the G750 series(cuz thats all bestbuy had and i was on a rush :( )... well i have been trying to overclock my G750jw but i can't change the corevoltage, powerlimit or fan speed, i don't know why. I use msi afterburner and evga precision, by the way do you guys think overclocking the cpu (4700 HQ) will improve performance in games like battlefield 3 and skyrim?

thx for reading and hope you guys can help me :p

hmscott
07-12-2013, 01:57 PM
Neptun, here is what I used to OC the GTX765 and 4700HQ in my G750JW

Asus GPU Tweak
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=gpu%20tweak&os=30

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Intel Extreme Tuning Utility
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-boards-software-extreme-tuning-utility.html

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The Power4Gear Performance power plan in Power Options, or the utility itself to set Performance mode

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EpIcSnIpErZ23
07-13-2013, 12:40 AM
Let me know what you overclocked to for stable temps. I want to get to overclocking! :D

Neptun
07-13-2013, 06:46 AM
Thx alot mate, i was overclocking my graphics card with evga precision and avg temperature was 61C , i managed to get + 15 fps in skyrim with everything maxed out wich i find good, do you think overclocking my cpu will increase frames in games too? also i'll try ur programs and the settings you using... again thx alot for your help ;)

edit--

Just tried the settings you used to overclock your card, they aren't stable for me, are they for you? or thats just a random img? if it is nvm, mb lol

x70xchallengerx
07-13-2013, 07:16 PM
I OC'ed my GPU to 985 / 893 / 5150 from stock and it increased my Bioshock Infinite benchmark scores from 27.56 (avg) to 31.95 (avg) and GPU only hit 65c

I may go further later :)

EDIT: It feels great btw, my G51Jx used to hit 99c all the time :O

Neptun
07-14-2013, 08:28 PM
I OC'ed my GPU to 985 / 893 / 5150 from stock and it increased my Bioshock Infinite benchmark scores from 27.56 (avg) to 31.95 (avg) and GPU only hit 65c

I may go further later :)

EDIT: It feels great btw, my G51Jx used to hit 99c all the time :O

nice even tho it was a small improve, an improve is an improve :d, i OC'd mine to 997/881/5500, no errors reported and max temp i ever hit till now was 67 when load, might go further since the increase ain't really huge :) (Like from 40-50 fps to 50-60 in skyrim lol)

hmscott
07-16-2013, 09:31 AM
Neptun, yes the numbers in the images are my stable settings. I used those settings to get these bench results:

Update: Original scores / links gone as I had faster runs, added here:

3dmark Ice Storm 114939
http://www.3dmark.com/is/697400

3dmark Cloud Gate 14786
http://www.3dmark.com/cg/615792

3dmark Fire Strike 3076
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/672048

**** removed from futuremark ****
3dmark Ice Storm 112451
http://www.3dmark.com/is/684285

3dmark Cloudgate 14583
http://www.3dmark.com/cg/610057

3dmark Fire Storm 2961
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/654946
**** removed from futuremark ****

I started with the MSI Afterburner, but MSI Afterburner maxxed out much lower than the Asus GPU Tweak allows.

BTW, ambient temperature, the surface the laptop is sitting on, and other heat related factors affect the performance - I have the G750JW set up so the vents have clear draw space for fresh cool air and vent the hot air out and away from the fresh air intake. If you have the laptop in a corner or against a wall the heat can bounce back. The worst is if you have the laptop set on a bed / cloth that blocks the intake/outflow.

There are also chip variations - some chips have more headroom for OC - and the heatsink seating / paste job on the heatsink has an effect too.

At 6288 I get clear video and no driver crashes. At 6400 I get both artifacts and driver crashes, I haven't tried in between, it is good enough. I think there is more headroom on the GPU frequency, but the Asus GPU tweak tool won't tune higher than 997.


Thx alot mate, i was overclocking my graphics card with evga precision and avg temperature was 61C , i managed to get + 15 fps in skyrim with everything maxed out wich i find good, do you think overclocking my cpu will increase frames in games too? also i'll try ur programs and the settings you using... again thx alot for your help ;)

edit--

Just tried the settings you used to overclock your card, they aren't stable for me, are they for you? or thats just a random img? if it is nvm, mb lol

roryh86
07-16-2013, 02:50 PM
Hey hmscott. Are you sure you're stable with that high memory overclock? Have you tried doing several Cinebench GPU (not CPU) OpenGL tests? Mine was usually stable with 3Dmark and regular use and even BF3 until I would do Cinebench, which would then throttle my GPU down to 450 Mhz and give me a terrible Cinebench GPU score of like 22 fps, requiring a restart to reset. My highest is 68.36 fps. Whats your FPS score ?

hmscott
07-16-2013, 08:28 PM
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roryh86, stable at 6288 GPU: 65.38fps CPU: 7.32, multiple runs

fleks07
08-15-2013, 11:26 PM
Thank you for this! I just used your exact settings and everything is perfect, GPU overclocked 40-43c idle & 60c when gaming.

Maxed out Skyrim with RealVision ENB was 23-25, now running at 30-35 steady!

Maxed out Guild Wars 2 was 20-23, now running at 29-37!

Maxed out Battlefield 3 was 40-45 now 60-70 with vsync on!

It's basically like having a 770m.

PPanda
08-16-2013, 12:10 AM
Why are you overvolting? Won't that hurt your max Turbo Boost?

Have you tried undervolting instead?

PPanda
08-16-2013, 12:40 AM
OK so I tried your clocked (Win8) and GPUZ returns PerfCap Reason = Pwr during 3d Mark (2013) Benchmark.

In other news: Fire-strike = 3008 pts...

2987 Firestrike 3dmark with afterburner +150 core and +1000mem clocks but no voltage change...

With Volt change +21pts @ 65c vs without voltchange @ 60c.

I'm thinking the +5c isnt work the 21pts.

PPanda
08-16-2013, 01:16 AM
Weird, dropped it down to +150 core and +800 core. Now only get PreCap Reason = Pwr on Combined test component...

Perhaps the CPU volt is the bottleneck? I dunno.

PPanda
08-18-2013, 10:11 PM
So with 326.49 beta drivers (Win8 64-bit) and +150core and +800 core with MSI afterburner.

No problems and max 65c.

All games on Ultra run smooth.

3dmark Firestrike = 3008
3dmark 11 = 5000

Zach3290
08-24-2013, 04:40 PM
i am having a problem with mine..i cant get the memory clock speed to stay above 4008!

Neptun
08-24-2013, 10:07 PM
Thank you for this! I just used your exact settings and everything is perfect, GPU overclocked 40-43c idle & 60c when gaming.

Maxed out Skyrim with RealVision ENB was 23-25, now running at 30-35 steady!

Maxed out Guild Wars 2 was 20-23, now running at 29-37!

Maxed out Battlefield 3 was 40-45 now 60-70 with vsync on!

It's basically like having a 770m.

Impossible, you can't max out battlefield 3 with a gtx 765m even if you overclock it

Dreamonic
08-25-2013, 12:42 AM
On my old 660M I could run Ultra settings (SSAO, AA off) and I'd get 25-37fps (NOT ULTRA PRESET) Once I OC'd to 1300/3000 I was averaging mid 40's.

The 765M runs Ultra settings (HBAO, AA off) at mid 35-47fps (NOT ULTRA PRESET) There are many YT videos of it in action.

So it's not "impossible" it's just not IDEAL on a 64p Server; High settings are more likely to net 50+ fps.

x70xchallengerx
08-25-2013, 02:53 AM
Uh... I do.. Max everything, even high AA and never drop below 30fps.. 765M

overclocked or not.



Impossible, you can't max out battlefield 3 with a gtx 765m even if you overclock it

fhurer
08-28-2013, 09:13 AM
yes im run my bf3 with gtx765m OC and i have 60-70fps just the AA off and v-sync off- online 60fps no more....

fhurer
08-28-2013, 10:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ZEbLG6kdA
BF3 60FPS OC GTX765M.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ZEbLG6kdA
crysis 2 ultra 27-33 fps

Neptun
08-31-2013, 02:44 AM
Oh i tho max was having everything in max settings, including AA and v sync , My bad then

DarkSerpant9700
08-31-2013, 01:06 PM
what settings are you using and what program i want above 60 fps on ultra without aa or motion blur please

DarkSerpant9700
08-31-2013, 01:07 PM
so what program and settings were you using please help my first time oc

ethvalenty
09-04-2013, 08:31 PM
Just got a G750JW-DB71, very pleased with it. Trying to overclock without voltage increase, got a small increase (5-7%) Impressed with max settings (including FXAA and HBAO) In BF3 with 34 FPS AVG, drops to about 29 with lots of explosions, otherwise stays above 30fps 95% of the time. Extremely pleased with the GTX 765M

amanieux
09-05-2013, 09:13 AM
hi
what about just using the turbo mode from gpuboost 2.0 (an optional Turbo mode can automatically overclock the Nvidia card by a theoretical 15 percent if the laptop cooling system allows it. The implementation of this boost mode is done in the BIOS, but it is ultimately dependent upon the manufacturer of the laptop.)
is this "turbo mode" available on the g750 ? if so how to activate it ?
thanks

fhurer
09-05-2013, 01:55 PM
with asus gputweak

gpu clock-0987

gpu voltage-0893

memory clock-5152

using but its better if you wait for use with more demanding games like crysis 2 got 27 fps on ultra
on regular setting its playable the game bf3 so you dont need OC but here is the info enjoy...

Peeta83
09-06-2013, 09:53 AM
hi there. i have a new asus g750jx model with gtx 770M. what can i here use to overclock the gpu?

bloowhalez
09-06-2013, 11:42 PM
okay i have 3 profiles set up, a default, a mid range oc and a high oc
mid range is about 950 core 5000 mem
high oc is 990 core 5900 mem

both have voltage of 840.

please try to answer me question properly

1. does the oc hurt anything? thermal paste? long term stability? warranty?

2. whats the best voltage oc? higher or lower? i thought lower was better but too low and the oc wont give good perf

3. best/highest/safest overclocks?

bloowhalez
09-06-2013, 11:48 PM
sorry for the grammar. hope it made you laugh. im a lil loopy after a 3 year heroin binge. i quit 2 weeks ago.

to make amends... heres a crappy linkin park jay z album link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEtF2f-IVYA

balundab
09-09-2013, 04:08 AM
congrats on kicking your habit bro! keep that **** up! downers are no bueno. im also wondering about long term like the fhurer was asking. i know that its a up in the air/ to many variables kinda question but when i open gpu-z and see default is far left slider and your guys oc settings are like far right it makes me wonder if there is a goldilocks spot thats both a slight improvement but also a very stable one for both performance and longevity of the product? also anyone got any links to info on the factory tech specs of the gpu's regarding there limits in on how far u can push them? thx in advance.

kingkaan
09-30-2013, 05:05 AM
Neptun, here is what I used to OC the GTX765 and 4700HQ in my G750JW

Asus GPU Tweak
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=gpu%20tweak&os=30

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Intel Extreme Tuning Utility
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-boards-software-extreme-tuning-utility.html

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The Power4Gear Performance power plan in Power Options, or the utility itself to set Performance mode

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Hello,

I just bought the same laptop from best buy a few weeks ago and i tried your clock settings but memory clock on asus gpu utility when i tried your memory clock 6288 graphic driver crashed and screen started flickering different colors etc..bottom line is i cant seem to get it working at 6288 so i bought it down to 6004 it works and stable. but im not getting the fps i should be getting i saw people on youtube with same specs playing metro last light getting around 50-70 fps on very high settings. i barely get 30-35 any suggestions on what i should do? im using the latest drivers 327.23 thanks for reading

kingkaan
09-30-2013, 05:09 AM
with the same specs overclocked i get no where 65 fps. i get like 60 fps tops thats if im llucky on opengl cpu im always at 6 something points. :/

hmscott
09-30-2013, 06:18 AM
with the same specs overclocked i get no where 65 fps. i get like 60 fps tops thats if im llucky on opengl cpu im always at 6 something points. :/

Some GPU's/Memory clock higher than others, and even at the same frequency one may out perform another.

Also, before the frequency at which the driver crashes, the values approaching that frequency can have no effect, or even a negative effect on performance.

I usually tune for just before the crash, then step back to see the value of the top setting - eventually settling on a frequency that might be well below the crash point.

The GPU clock freq should be set to the max, but the memory clock is variable based on the program running. Some work with OC at 5500mhz, some only to 5150mhz, and I normally run at 5000mhz if I don't need the boost.

You can also get some improvement by adjusting the Nvidia Control Panel Global 3d settings, and adjust specific program 3d tuning as each benefit from different settings differently.

If you are really stable at 6288, I would be surprised, and happy if it was my GPU :)

You might want to start a bit lower, say 5500mhz, get a few benchmark baselines, and then scale up 100mhz at a time until you get no reliable benefit.

A 3-5% difference in run times at the same settings can be normal depending on the test and how much you have cleaned up services and tasks running on your system before running the test.

kingkaan
09-30-2013, 06:47 AM
First of all thank you for your quick response. very helpful response right there. i tried slowly overclocking as much as i can but i guess you really lucked out because as soon as i get to 6100 mhz it becomes unstable like my games crash in the middle of playing but no driver crashes. and when i get to 6288 like yours..ohh screen flickers colors change driver crashes it just wont work. so right now i am at 5994 and its really stable no crashes or anything and gpu clock at 0997 voltage 0881 i am using the asus gpu tweak utility. i have the same specs i7-4700 HQ win 8 64 bit 8 gb ram. gtx 765m 2 gb. someone told me to change virtual memory to 7000 that it might help but i don't really think so. what is your advice on this?

kingkaan
09-30-2013, 06:51 AM
i also want you to take a look at this guy playing metro last light on default clock settings recording with fraps and getting no less than 40 fps. and without fraps he gets 50=70 fps on ultra high settings with sa off. he has the same gtx 765m 2 gb playing on 1080p.. i barely get 30 overclocked in that game. howw? that's just a big fps difference.. the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBeWgQhQPmQ&lc=aitR0sxkotO5PaMYxIDMVEFcJ_vhIiB9MG2jIR26WhA

hmscott
09-30-2013, 08:02 AM
First of all thank you for your quick response. very helpful response right there. i tried slowly overclocking as much as i can but i guess you really lucked out because as soon as i get to 6100 mhz it becomes unstable like my games crash in the middle of playing but no driver crashes. and when i get to 6288 like yours..ohh screen flickers colors change driver crashes it just wont work. so right now i am at 5994 and its really stable no crashes or anything and gpu clock at 0997 voltage 0881 i am using the asus gpu tweak utility. i have the same specs i7-4700 HQ win 8 64 bit 8 gb ram. gtx 765m 2 gb. someone told me to change virtual memory to 7000 that it might help but i don't really think so. what is your advice on this?

Ah, there we go, I was sharing values from current G750JX is overclocking, when you are looking at the values I shared from my G750JW in earlier postings, much different. :)

JX - 5500mhz memory max
JW - 6288mhz memory max

It is luck of the draw on how well a CPU/GPU OC's. Something to consider is that once the heat-sink compound sets, it takes 2 weeks to a month of 100% CPU/GPU 50%-100% of the day, sometimes longer, then you get a little more OC, in many cases. I have been running FAH and BOINC (CPU + CUDA) and I am getting more stable at the edges on this JX in 3dmark.

Besides, a couple of hundred mhz in memory speed won't translate into much of a performance difference - one you can feel - it's just one that shows up in benchmarks - something to not get unhappy about. The important thing, I have found, is to get the games / work going, enjoy the awesomeness of your laptop, and leave the benchmarks in the review view :)

Besides, in 3-4 years, your new laptop will benchmark 2x+ as fast :)

Here is my laptop from a few years ago, Crossfire 2x 4870, kicked ass in it's day, now less than 1/2 the speed of the G750JX:

3dmark Vantage - Asus W90vp-x1 - P9039
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/846619

3dmark Vantage - Asus G750JX-RB71 - P23041
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4817244

hmscott
09-30-2013, 08:19 AM
i also want you to take a look at this guy playing metro last light on default clock settings recording with fraps and getting no less than 40 fps. and without fraps he gets 50=70 fps on ultra high settings with sa off. he has the same gtx 765m 2 gb playing on 1080p.. i barely get 30 overclocked in that game. howw? that's just a big fps difference.. the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBeWgQhQPmQ&lc=aitR0sxkotO5PaMYxIDMVEFcJ_vhIiB9MG2jIR26WhA

That is where tuning the Global/app specific Nvidia 3d settings makes the difference. Take a look at them, check the internet / Nvidia to tuning options, it's not tough to figure out - just look at each setting / options.

Plus, youtube videos aren't always in sync with what they show, say, and document in the text. One or two simple changes in config, screen res, etc can make a big difference.

I read some of the text, and it sounds like he cherry-picked the run / section for the best fps - as he said he also saw 35fps - and likely saw it a lot more than not :)

The MQ processor (4700MQ) isn't the same as the HQ - the HQ is better - look them both up in ark.intel.com. I had a 4700mq in a GS70 and it couldn't do any VM work because MSI didn't have VM settings available in the BIOS and also forgot to enable them.

You need to spend time getting to know what graphics options in game provide real benefit vs fps. Setting everything to MAX is fun, but in reality turning off some stuff - or just turning it down - can have real benefits in performance.

BTW, I disagree with the suggestion to turn on Virtual memory, especially at that size of 7000mb. You have 12GB of memory, so you need a little more than 12GB swap to be useful. If you are looking for debugging info for kernel crashes you only need 200mb-800mb of VM - but I have found that if I am not crashing I don't need VM on - and benchmarks show me a benefit from leaving it off - even 200mb-300mb has a negative effect.

There are lots of discussions, even at the developer level, as to the benefits of turning on VM. I have found that turning it off for memory configs over 8GB is a benefit - cutting down latency from *any* disk access is a benefit. Turning off VM = setting swap to 0=OFF is ok as long as you don't need to recover info from a crash - you can always turn it on if that starts happening - generally I just back off on the OC - or fix my coding bug :)

Besides, if you have an SSD you don't want to put the paging file on it, and if you have the laptop optimally set up you have dumped the HD and moved the OS / apps to SSD(s). You can bump up the memory to 16GB/32GB to really put the need for VM out of the picture. :)

The futility of chasing someones config / fps score becomes apparent when you do all the static benchmarks and find you have good numbers.

If you are getting in the 5-10% ballpark for those scores, then don't worry about comparing someone's reported scores - even in a video - because you don't have all the info you need to duplicate their settings - even if the config looks similar and you think they gave all the relevant info in their report - and you replicated it to the last detail - if you aren't seeing the same thing they are seeing/showing then you don't have matching settings - or aren't comparing the same route / tasks / setup in game.

Try to find a game benchmark that has a scripted route, so the comparison is fair. Metro LL benchmark exe, Metro 2033 benchmark exe, Devil May Cry 4, etc.

kingkaan
09-30-2013, 10:35 AM
thanks for your reply again. i learn a lot from your posts im such a noob at overclocking sorry for giving you guys hard time but. the thing that really confused me that just like you said i even have a better CPU than him and he gets almost 30 fps more than me. that's a huge difference. i am all overclocked and the most i got in the game was 50 and that's in real dark areas where im like close to walls.

You are are he might have been recorded it in certain areas where your fps is good. but recording with fraps still not hitting less than 40 in the video is pretty impressive. the lowest i get is 23 fps if i am fighting with whole bunch of monsters :P

You said that my laptop in 3-4 years will benchmark 2x+ as fast... how??? because of the newer drivers??

It definitely made me feel a lot better you are right i don't have his duplicate settings, so therefore i can't compare and be sad :) but i do have advanced physx turned on in game settings, he might have his set to off. I don't know how much fps can physx drop.

kingkaan
09-30-2013, 10:37 AM
Ah, there we go, I was sharing values from current G750JX is overclocking, when you are looking at the values I shared from my G750JW in earlier postings, much different. :)

JX - 5500mhz memory max
JW - 6288mhz memory max

It is luck of the draw on how well a CPU/GPU OC's. Something to consider is that once the heat-sink compound sets, it takes 2 weeks to a month of 100% CPU/GPU 50%-100% of the day, sometimes longer, then you get a little more OC, in many cases. I have been running FAH and BOINC (CPU + CUDA) and I am getting more stable at the edges on this JX in 3dmark.

Besides, a couple of hundred mhz in memory speed won't translate into much of a performance difference - one you can feel - it's just one that shows up in benchmarks - something to not get unhappy about. The important thing, I have found, is to get the games / work going, enjoy the awesomeness of your laptop, and leave the benchmarks in the review view :)

Besides, in 3-4 years, your new laptop will benchmark 2x+ as fast :)

Here is my laptop from a few years ago, Crossfire 2x 4870, kicked ass in it's day, now less than 1/2 the speed of the G750JX:

3dmark Vantage - Asus W90vp-x1 - P9039
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/846619

3dmark Vantage - Asus G750JX-RB71 - P23041
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4817244

your score is better than %85 of the results. wow that's impressive. what settings is your nvidia is set to? do you have your own nvidia tweak settings that you can share? thanks :)

kingkaan
09-30-2013, 11:05 AM
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I've tried the Metro LL Benchmark and this is my results. is it normal?? good or bad?

hmscott
09-30-2013, 04:43 PM
thanks for your reply again. i learn a lot from your posts im such a noob at overclocking sorry for giving you guys hard time but. the thing that really confused me that just like you said i even have a better CPU than him and he gets almost 30 fps more than me. that's a huge difference. i am all overclocked and the most i got in the game was 50 and that's in real dark areas where im like close to walls.

You are are he might have been recorded it in certain areas where your fps is good. but recording with fraps still not hitting less than 40 in the video is pretty impressive. the lowest i get is 23 fps if i am fighting with whole bunch of monsters :P

You said that my laptop in 3-4 years will benchmark 2x+ as fast... how??? because of the newer drivers??

It definitely made me feel a lot better you are right i don't have his duplicate settings, so therefore i can't compare and be sad :) but i do have advanced physx turned on in game settings, he might have his set to off. I don't know how much fps can physx drop.

Keep reading, and trying things, it just takes time for the human brain to accumulate data and correlate it - caring about it helps a lot.

Your new/replacement laptop, which will be sold in 3-4 years, not the same old laptop, will outperform what you have now, so don't worry about a small amount of difference in benchmarks today :)

If you aren't getting 40-60 fps in the game you like to play, start dropping graphics features, resolution, etc, same as with any game. You have a GTX765m not an SLI Titan set up :)

You would need to exactly match the settings / game play of the guy in the youtube video to get the same results.

Try running 3dmark and 3dmark11 and compare scores. If you are close enough don't worry about your setup, concentrate on making it work for the game you want to play.

hmscott
09-30-2013, 05:01 PM
I've tried the Metro LL Benchmark and this is my results. is it normal?? good or bad?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-765M.92907.0.html
Metro: Last Light (2013)
low:
60.1 72.1 73.1 ~ 68 fps
med.:
51.5 56.9 57.6 57.9 59 ~ 57 fps
high:
32.4 33 34.4 34.8 35.2 37 ~ 34 fps
ultra:
17.4 17.7 18.2 18.3 18.3 19 ~ 18 fps

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/metro_last_light_graphics_performance_review_bench mark,1.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Metro-Last-Light-Benchmarked.92967.0.html

I would start by turning off Tessellation / Motion Blur, set quality to High, Texture Filtering to AF16x, Anti-aliasing to AAA, PhysX Off, DOF off

Then run the benchmark as a baseline.

Then run again as you bump up each tunable one at a time. Turn on PhysX, see the frame drop, turn on Very High see the frame drop, change from AF16x to AF4x while on Very High see frame rate increase. Likely as not, High Quality will be the best you can do at 1920x1080.

Tune until you are over 30fps in high action areas if you like eye candy, higher if you want faster reaction times - up to your display frame rate 60-100fps - I tune for 40-60fps on demanding games, higher on games I can crank up the options and still get over 60fps.

With a 765m, I would be happy for 40-50fps at 1920x1080, or lower res with more options on / more eye candy, it varies from game to game.

Remember you want to tune for the highest action sections that get the lowest frame rate, as that is where your score will benefit from high fps = quicker reaction times. If you are seeing 20fps in high action scenes you need to back off the eye candy, and get those areas back to 40-50fps.

hmscott
09-30-2013, 05:03 PM
your score is better than %85 of the results. wow that's impressive. what settings is your nvidia is set to? do you have your own nvidia tweak settings that you can share? thanks :)

Nothing Special, that is an old benchmark, my results are compared against old hardware - that is why I gave it to you to compare 3 year old high end hardware against our current stuff.

kingkaan
10-05-2013, 07:06 AM
hi hmscott i was going to ask you what drivers were you using when u benchmarked in cinebench??

hmscott
10-05-2013, 07:13 AM
hi hmscott i was going to ask you what drivers were you using when u benchmarked in cinebench??

For the JW result in this thread, that would have been 320.49

For the JX result 331.40
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?36587-Problems-with-G750JW-BBI7N05&p=318635&viewfull=1#post318635

kingkaan
10-05-2013, 08:19 AM
For the JW result in this thread, that would have been 320.49

For the JX result 331.40
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?36587-Problems-with-G750JW-BBI7N05&p=318635&viewfull=1#post318635


nice :) with the same drivers27226

hmscott
10-05-2013, 05:48 PM
nice :) with the same drivers.

Sweet!, all the laptops of the same config should get around the same great OC and resulting improvements.

These laptops having great cooling, and reasonable headroom before the built in limits to make it fun and easy to gain measurable improvement without the disappointment of catastrophic danger - but it is still twitchy getting to the final tune :)

Laptop OC'ing isn't the same as building your own motherboard configuration and getting 40%+ improvements on air, or 60%+ with recirculating water / Peltier, or Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah 100%+ on cryogenics, but it is still the same principal and the same kind of fun.

BTW, I saw over 110fps a few times, keep trying :)

kingkaan
10-05-2013, 09:10 PM
oh hahaha u got to my head now saying u saw over 110 fps..im gonna be like trying 100 times now :)) Cooling on these laptops are one of the biggest reasons why i switched over to asus from alienware. even tho alienwares are upgradable its just a an illusion because vents are too small and as soon as you upgrade you have a overheating problem that you can't get rid of mine used to shut down on it's own when gpu temp hit 90C i couldn't fix that so $500 dollar graphics card hd 6990m went to garbage. But with Asus vents are huge air circulation is off the charts it never reaches 70c even when playing metro last light. Asus is the way to go but i wish there was a way to upgrade the gpu too

kingkaan
10-05-2013, 09:14 PM
Also, Have you tried playing battlefield 4 beta with these new beta drivers? A lot of people are saying these beta drivers caused them to dorp a lot of fps like from 60-70 to like 15-20.

i wonder if 327.23 was a better driver than the beta.

hmscott
10-06-2013, 01:44 AM
Also, Have you tried playing battlefield 4 beta with these new beta drivers? A lot of people are saying these beta drivers caused them to dorp a lot of fps like from 60-70 to like 15-20.
I wonder if 327.23 was a better driver than the beta.

If it is working fine for you, don't worry about it. They are 2 beta's competing for bug placement, so beware.

The new release is documented in the Nvidia release notes as optimized for BF4:
http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/331.40/331.40-win8-win7-notebook-release-notes.pdf

If your first hand experience - with reproducible / definitive examples - is problematic with BF4 (or anything else ) you can report the errors here:

NVIDIA Support - Welcome to the NVIDIA software bug reporting tool.
http://nvidia-submit.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2702/session/L3RpbWUvMTM4MTAyMzkzOC9zaWQvYUx5TjE0Q2w=

Or discuss it here:

Official NVIDIA 331.40 BETA Display Driver Feedback Thread (Released 9/30/13)
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/615173/official-nvidia-331-40-beta-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-9-30-13-/

I'll let you know later... :)

http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield-4/faq/beta#pc

Hanging out here:
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/view/2832654625482381781/

Using these settings:

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kingkaan
10-06-2013, 08:14 PM
haha scott dat sreenshot. i wonder how much fps you get :D:D:D i play on chicago servers f you want to play sometimes. so far i have like 10 hours in :D very addicting. and nope i dont have any crash issues or frame drops i get good fps

hmscott
10-07-2013, 12:02 AM
haha scott dat sreenshot. i wonder how much fps you get :D:D:D i play on chicago servers f you want to play sometimes. so far i have like 10 hours in :D very addicting. and nope i dont have any crash issues or frame drops i get good fps

kingkaan, I thought the Nvidia 331.40 BF4 Beta thread was a better place to continue the BF4 posts :)

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?37991-Nvidia-BF4-drivers-331.40-is-out&p=319178&viewfull=1#post319178

Note the video config changes in the screen shot in the other thread. After playing for a while I found a good mix of what settings to drop.

The network frame drops were only on 2 servers, Dallas and LA but those are long distance - not the best ping times from here - and almost full - close to 64 players, no drops on most other servers including Chicago.

kingkaan
10-09-2013, 07:58 PM
Hi hmscott,

I ran into some problems today with intel extreme tunning utility. i overclocked my cpu like weeks ago and everything was fine but today my laptop randomly restarted and as soon as i logged into windows i launched intel tunning program and it said there was a instability with overclocking and values are set to default...what do i do?

Myroslav
10-09-2013, 10:20 PM
Change them to what you had and monitor CPU temps. If you cant monitor, change them to lower OC settings. If it does not make a difference whatsoever, keep all settings at default, uninstall XTU and enjoy :)

hmscott
10-10-2013, 05:38 AM
Hi hmscott,

I ran into some problems today with intel extreme tunning utility. i overclocked my cpu like weeks ago and everything was fine but today my laptop randomly restarted and as soon as i logged into windows i launched intel tunning program and it said there was a instability with overclocking and values are set to default...what do i do?

No matter what kind of crash you had, XTU notices that there was an unintended reboot, and resets to default values just in case it is the XTU settings that caused it. Likely as not it was something else. If you have been stable running with XTU max settings for weeks, it was an unrelated crash. Start looking at what you changed most recently.

The OC from XTU is so slight, like 5%, it will likely never be an issue that causes a reboot. But, setting the voltage offset too high can cause reboots. If you have it at -50Mv it is probably ok. If you increased it to -75mV or higher then that might be something to back off of a bit. I dropped mine down from -100mV to -75mV and ran well for a while, until I started running 100% CPU apps for long periods of time, then I had to back off to -50mV and never had a restart - so I am now up a bit at -65mV and still stable.

Look at your Windows System log and see what log entries there were just before the power off / reboot, and if there were any messages upon startup.

Did you change any software, install new app, new driver?

The Asus GPU Tweak tool GPU setting can be maxed out, but the Memory speed is sensitive and can cause reboots during high GPU usage. So make sure to test / benchmark after setting the memory speed higher to make sure you stay stable.

Remember, the Game is called Windows, and crashing is part of the game :)

kingkaan
10-10-2013, 07:02 PM
thanks for your reply hmscott. Yes my voltage offset was at -75mV. and i wasn't even playing a game i was on facebook and youtube when it happened... during the game it never shuts down. so i back the voltage offset to -50Mv like u said... i don't have any problems but, when i run the benchmark i see the difference :D so you are stable at -65Mv? i think i have your settings that i downloaded and imported into mine it's called maxspeed. right now im running stable but i don't know if i should go up to -65Mv like you. do you have your latest settings?

hmscott
10-10-2013, 08:41 PM
thanks for your reply hmscott. Yes my voltage offset was at -75mV. and i wasn't even playing a game i was on facebook and youtube when it happened... during the game it never shuts down. so i back the voltage offset to -50Mv like u said... i don't have any problems but, when i run the benchmark i see the difference :D so you are stable at -65Mv? i think i have your settings that i downloaded and imported into mine it's called maxspeed. right now im running stable but i don't know if i should go up to -65Mv like you. do you have your latest settings?

The one I uploaded has -50mV, and seems safe for everyone so far, so we should keep that as the starting point.

You can adjust the settings easily under XTU Manual Tuning - it is just a pop up scrolling list of voltages - you can't set the exact voltage with the XTU tool, only the steppings they offer. I am on -65.xx mV right now and it is ok.

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Just so you know the laptop reset I see when I have the offset set too aggressively, like -100mV, that reboot/reset happens at any time, not just under load.

kingkaan
10-10-2013, 11:32 PM
thanks for the screenshot hmscott. my voltage is set to same thing now and so far it's stable. Also you are probably wondering how i know my random restart is because of my offset voltage. because when ever i set it to -75mV it does a random restart like it could be a day later or 2 days sometimes 3 days but at the end it happens and when computer restarts what i did was i launched the xtu app and it says the program crashed and everything was set back to default. that's how i knew it was because of that every time i get a random reboot i check the program and it says the same thing. but i am running fine on -65mV so far now thankfully. when you benchmark at these settings in xtu what do you get? i never see the 7 always at 6 something usually 650 654 :/

hmscott
10-10-2013, 11:46 PM
thanks for the screenshot hmscott. my voltage is set to same thing now and so far it's stable. Also you are probably wondering how i know my random restart is because of my offset voltage. because when ever i set it to -75mV it does a random restart like it could be a day later or 2 days sometimes 3 days but at the end it happens and when computer restarts what i did was i launched the xtu app and it says the program crashed and everything was set back to default. that's how i knew it was because of that every time i get a random reboot i check the program and it says the same thing. but i am running fine on -65mV so far now thankfully. when you benchmark at these settings in xtu what do you get? i never see the 7 always at 6 something usually 650 654 :/

kingkaan, the XTU program will notice *any* reboot as a potential problem and goes back to default values. It doesn't know if it is responsible :)

If the only thing you are changing on the OS settings is the offset voltage, and you aren't crashing using the same program / action, then it is likely the voltage offset. That is how I tell that is the problem too.

When I crash due to tuning GPU settings in between setting XTU or other settings, or I run an app that I know is responsible for the crash ( repeats crash doing same actions ), I know I need to go into XTU to set the maxfinal profile again and apply the settings because XTU resets to default for all crashes. :)

Nvidia driver crashes, where the Nvidia driver says it had a problem and restarted itself, doesn't count as a system crash and XTU doesn't go back to default settings - not unless it causes Windows itself to crash/restart.

kingkaan
10-11-2013, 06:48 PM
hmscott,

random reboot happened again this morning when i was just turning it on. i opened the event viewer it says critical kernel power 41

The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly.

I i don't know if its because of the xtu or gpu overclocking i hope i didn't mess up anything

hmscott
10-12-2013, 03:34 AM
hmscott,
random reboot happened again this morning when i was just turning it on. i opened the event viewer it says critical kernel power 41
The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly.
I i don't know if its because of the xtu or gpu overclocking i hope i didn't mess up anything

Try setting everything back to default in XTU and Asus GPU Tweak tool, and enjoy some games. :)

Windows under normal hardware settings can experience crashes, resets, reboots and if you are set uneasy by this, then stop tweaking the system and deal with finding the root cause and stabilize the Windows / applications configuration before pushing the system by OC'ing.

It takes time to gain the knowledge and experience that allows you to be confident enough to push the limits. Make sure you are confident in the system again before pushing it into unstable tuning territory.

The XTU tunings are mild, and if you are doing negative offset voltage settings it is actually reducing the heat stress at the same time, balancing things out.

GIve it a week without overclocking and see if you can find the root cause of the stability problem.

kingkaan
10-12-2013, 04:14 AM
you are absolutely right. However, i don't want to annoy you anymore i appreciate your help hmscott.

i set everything back to maxspeed final. and all day i have been gaming it was on idle i surfed plaed bunch of different games no reboots no shutdown no freezing. I am going to stick with these settings for a while like you said if everything works out fine then i will know for sure it is the voltage offset. i get good performance at -75mV but if its gonna keep shutting down its not worth it :) but overclocking my gpu did really give me 20+ fps increase so i am very happy with that.

hmscott
10-12-2013, 06:23 AM
you are absolutely right. However, i don't want to annoy you anymore i appreciate your help hmscott.

i set everything back to maxspeed final. and all day i have been gaming it was on idle i surfed plaed bunch of different games no reboots no shutdown no freezing. I am going to stick with these settings for a while like you said if everything works out fine then i will know for sure it is the voltage offset. i get good performance at -75mV but if its gonna keep shutting down its not worth it :) but overclocking my gpu did really give me 20+ fps increase so i am very happy with that.

Nah, you aren't bugging me, but I thought I could detect that you were getting irritated. When it stops being fun then stepping back before going critical is a good idea, it isn't as dramatic, but I don't crave that for myself.

Yup, the tweaks add up to better real performance, at the same time the drop in temp balances things back out and keeps the laptop happy.

Do you run the power plan at 100%/100%, or 0%/100%. Earlier I noticed I got busy and forgot and left mine on 100%/100% and saw my idle CPU speed at 3.6ghz... oops. Switched back and idling at .79ghz. Keeps everything cool so there isn't a lot of heat built up for when I need the heat absorbing capacity - just came out of BF4... nice.

Running at -70mV for a while now... probably pushing it, but so far so good :)

kingkaan
10-12-2013, 07:25 AM
haha enjoying that battlefield 4 with 770m huh :) i think i run it 100%/100% because it shows that its at 3.49 ghz right now when im idle. and i never touched power4gear. here is a screen shot hmscott 27766

so far it looks like i leave mine liek that too..how do i switch it back to idling?? so it doesn't run at 3.6 all the time.

One last question hmscott. How come when i drop the voltage offset i get a better benchmark score? i mean isnt is supposed to be other way around? like more voltage more power? it seems like less voltage giving more cpu power lol

btw that's good that you are at -70mV and no problems so far :D maybe you can push it higher later on. as far as me i will probably test this out for a week before going back to -70mV :D

Update: lol never mind my question about how to idle i put it on power4gear power saving mode and its idling..when i leave i shutdown my pc but if im not gaming from now on even if i just surf on the web im going to keep it at powersaving mode. it can't be good to leave it at performance mode all the time and have your cpu run at 3.6 ghz right? it will probably shorten the life of the laptop

hmscott
10-12-2013, 09:06 PM
haha enjoying that battlefield 4 with 770m huh :) i think i run it 100%/100% because it shows that its at 3.49 ghz right now when im idle. and i never touched power4gear. here is a screen shot hmscott 27766

so far it looks like i leave mine liek that too..how do i switch it back to idling?? so it doesn't run at 3.6 all the time.

One last question hmscott. How come when i drop the voltage offset i get a better benchmark score? i mean isnt is supposed to be other way around? like more voltage more power? it seems like less voltage giving more cpu power lol

btw that's good that you are at -70mV and no problems so far :D maybe you can push it higher later on. as far as me i will probably test this out for a week before going back to -70mV :D

Update: lol never mind my question about how to idle i put it on power4gear power saving mode and its idling..when i leave i shutdown my pc but if im not gaming from now on even if i just surf on the web im going to keep it at powersaving mode. it can't be good to leave it at performance mode all the time and have your cpu run at 3.6 ghz right? it will probably shorten the life of the laptop

It is better to run the CPU cooler when you don't need to run it hotter, but as far as extending the life - it may or may not make a difference to the lifespan.

When I go to -70mV on maxfinal OC, it fails on High Load work - but runs fine at -65mV - so I think I found that OC limit edge - IDK about running stock speed at -75mV, it might do that ok, but haven't tried.

After updating to the BIOS 208, the JX BIOS that fixes CPU limit problem on battery, Power4Gear Hybrid power plans don't work as well as the Windows Balanced Power plan for me. And, when switching to the battery with the Power4Gear Hybrid installed it automatically goes to Power4Gear Power Saving plan - which keeps the speed down on battery too much - so I have to switch back to the Balanced Power plan manually - so I uninstalled Power4Gear Hybrid.

I keep my Power plan set to Balanced on AC/Battery most of the time - which I set to use 0%/100% Processor Min/Max. For benchmarking I use the Windows Performance Power plan which has the Processor Min/Max set to 100%/100%.

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The seeming improvement in performance you get from dropping the voltage through the voltage offset setting is probably illusory - the variation in benchmark results between runs can be wide ranging because there are other things running in the background on WIndows. Some variation is to be expected. Unless you are avoiding thermal throttling by reducing the voltage/heat output, there should be no performance effect.

kingkaan
10-13-2013, 02:34 AM
yeah that's good that its stable for you u have a better machine so that might be why. mine is def not stable at -75mV it reboots sooner or later so im going to stick with this.

When you had the g75jw with 765m in it, you had 12 gb of ram or 8gb? i have 8gb of ram maybe that's why i cant push is to 6288mhz? memory is at 6088 stable right now. i was thinking maybe if i upgrade my ram i can push it? or it just depends on the card and it's luck? I don't know whether if i should upgrade the ram or not i dont know if it will help my fps a lot. But one thing that ASUS did wrong is that they have soldered cpu and gpu you can't upgrade down the road. msi, clevo, alienware you can upgrade these laptops. i like asus better than all of them but when its time to upgrade you have to get rid of the machine :/ there is no way at all to upgrade our laptops huh?

One more thing when i benchmark in XTU i see my temp is jumping from 80c to 90c and then it jumps down to 83c then goes back up to 90 then comes back down back and forth like this. Is this normal?

hmscott
10-13-2013, 04:28 AM
My JX isn't stable at -75mV, it is stable at -65mV.

The G750JW had 12GB Main memory and can be upgraded to 32GB. Increasing main memory won't allow higher OC on video card memory.

The GTX765m Video Card memory is fixed and non-expandable on the JW at 2GB.

If you are stable at 6088ghz that is still a respectable OC from stock speed :)

Prophet968
11-10-2013, 03:54 AM
Does anyone know how this is humanly possible? http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7321329

If I ever met the person who scored this, I would bow in there honor. Followed by begging them for there secrets.
Even with the Max overclock obtainable with GPU tweak I can't get even a score equal to a gaming laptop.

kingkaan
11-25-2013, 10:22 PM
hows this possible???????? i would like to know as well!

srigyre
11-28-2013, 07:13 PM
Anyone have problems getting that Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to work? Mine hangs up on the splash screen. When I try to kill the process I can't. I have to reboot and even then I get a blue screen.

hmscott
11-29-2013, 10:29 PM
Anyone have problems getting that Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to work? Mine hangs up on the splash screen. When I try to kill the process I can't. I have to reboot and even then I get a blue screen.

Which version are you installing? Intel keeps around the old versions, one of those might be problematic under Windows 8/8.1...

I am using XTU 4.2.0.8, and it works without problems.

You could try uninstalling what you have and re-downloiad the latest version from Intel and try again:

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?keyword=%22%22extreme+tuning+uti lity%22%22

If XTU notices a Windows crash it will skip using the last Profile / settings used and come up with CPU defaults. If you aren't crashing Windows, but a profile / setting got corrupted that might cause XTU to fail loading.

IDK where the profiles are saved, but you can sleuth it out looking in your settings folders under your username (hidden folders too), and rename the folder XTU is using for settings/profiles and try starting fresh - XTU will create a new profile/settings folder when it starts.

sasuke256
11-30-2013, 06:31 PM
I already asked in another thread but, you guys should try to pass the +135MHz limit, it seems that 65 in load let a lot of OC margin :)

hmscott
11-30-2013, 07:31 PM
I already asked in another thread but, you guys should try to pass the +135MHz limit, it seems that 65 in load let a lot of OC margin :)

sasuke256, I don't know what you asked or where you asked it :)
EDIT: Found and answered :)

Give us a link to that thread, I couldn't find anything relevant in your recent post history.

For me OC'ing past +135 on the 780m wouldn't give me enough of a boost to make it worth risking bricking my 780m or getting stuck on an older system BIOS (patched for vbios), so I am gonna pass on that amazing opportunity :)

jadhh
03-13-2014, 03:01 AM
When I Used The Asus GPU TWEAK My COMPUTER SAID IT RAN INTO A PROBLEM AND SHUT DOWN! I Set The GPU METER TO ABOUT HALF WAY AND THE FANS ROARED AND IT SAID YOUR PC HAS RUN INTO A PROBLEM AND NEEDS TO RESTART (WiNDOWS 8.1 64-bit)!!

sasuke256
06-07-2014, 06:06 PM
Hello, did anyone tried a modded vbios for the 765M ? is it ok to talk about it here ?

Neocaron
06-18-2014, 04:00 PM
Hello guys, I have a little problem, I can't seem to get my Asus Rog G750 780m to 3.6ghz, it stays stock at 3.4, despite the fact I used intel tuning utility to increase the processor ratio. I'll add that the turbo bost power max is disable, and I don't know how to turn it on. If some of you could help me on that matter, I'll be really happy. :D

7520g
06-30-2014, 04:16 PM
Hello guys, I have a little problem, I can't seem to get my Asus Rog G750 780m to 3.6ghz, it stays stock at 3.4, despite the fact I used intel tuning utility to increase the processor ratio. I'll add that the turbo bost power max is disable, and I don't know how to turn it on. If some of you could help me on that matter, I'll be really happy. :D

3,6GHz is max when 1 core is active, 3,4GHz is max when multiple cores are active.