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OrdinaryGamer
07-13-2013, 02:37 AM
Hello fellow Republic of Gamers,

I've just spent the past 2 hours searching the forum/google, etc. to try and find a simple answer to what appears to be an necessary complicated problem.

Goal: Install new Crucial M500 240GB SSD has my primary drive (OS/Apps) and then use the original SATA HDD (spinning drive) that came with the machine as a storage drive.

Problem/Question: It appears that Asus no longer supports the AI Recovery Disc creator for Windows 8. How can I install Windows 8 on my new Crucical SSD hard drive, if the recovery partition is only accessible for the SATA HDD (spinning drive) ?

I've searched a lot of threads and thought I was close to understanding what I needed to do, but I feel like the core question hasn't directly been answered. Please let me know if I can provide any further info. I was very excited to get my new SSD in the mail today and then depression set in once I realized how complicated it is now that Asus stopped providing the AI Recovery tool.

I'm counting on you rewben ;)

Clintlgm
07-13-2013, 03:15 AM
I think all you need is the back tracker program from ASUS, other guides and notes are here in this thread, LINK (http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?14583-Upgrading-the-G75VW&country=&status=)

OrdinaryGamer
07-13-2013, 03:24 AM
@Clintlgm thanks for the suggestion, I have read that thread twice now and I'm not sure I get the answer I'm looking for.

Basically I want to create a Windows 8 recovery disk, remove the existing hdd, then install the SSD in the right-side slot (primary) and install Windows via my DVD recovery disk...I've done this 1,000 times in the past with Windows XP/7 but I can't seem to get an official Asus Recovery tool program to create a disk.. I'll keep reading through that post though in case I missed something obvious. I don't re-call seeing "back tracker program" in the Utilities download page on the Asus Support site..

rewben
07-13-2013, 02:27 PM
hi @OrdinaryGamer, sorry for the late response.

ai recovery utility doesn't work for a g75vx. @Clintlgm was right, the proper utility from asus for this task is called asus backtracker (http://www.asus.com/supportonly/ASUS_Backtracker/#support_Download_36). you can use that to create a recovery usb stick to restore the OS in factory state. the process was documented by @Dr4g0n36 here (http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?34305-Windows-8-backup&p=280485&viewfull=1#post280485).

please check it out and come back to feedback. good luck.

GottiBoi55
07-13-2013, 03:16 PM
@Clintlgm thanks for the suggestion, I have read that thread twice now and I'm not sure I get the answer I'm looking for.

Basically I want to create a Windows 8 recovery disk, remove the existing hdd, then install the SSD in the right-side slot (primary) and install Windows via my DVD recovery disk...I've done this 1,000 times in the past with Windows XP/7 but I can't seem to get an official Asus Recovery tool program to create a disk.. I'll keep reading through that post though in case I missed something obvious. I don't re-call seeing "back tracker program" in the Utilities download page on the Asus Support site..



I know what you are taking about my friend, I used my "AI Recovery Disks" on my SSD and it worked like a charm!
(But I'm using W7, got my G75 last July!)
Then I removed all the bloatware I didn't need on the SSD, and now I use the factory drive for my Data Drive.
I have all my games install on the data drive (most newer games take up too much space), music, pictures, and my backups!


The new utility for W8 is ASUS Backtracker, it should help you create a disk image of your drive, then you can use the disks to do what you are trying to do. (remember to take out the factory drive when you do the transfer to your SSD to avoid drive confustion)
If you want to try the Back Tracker Utility here's a link for backtracker
(http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&s=480&m=ASUS+Backtracker&os=&hashedid=n%2fa)

OrdinaryGamer
07-13-2013, 07:08 PM
Thank you all for your input. I'm downloading the Asus Backtracker now and will give that a try later today. I'll post later on what I did step by step and let everyone know how it went. Thanks again!

OrdinaryGamer
07-13-2013, 09:23 PM
The new utility for W8 is ASUS Backtracker, it should help you create a disk image of your drive, then you can use the disks to do what you are trying to do. (remember to take out the factory drive when you do the transfer to your SSD to avoid drive confustion)
If you want to try the Back Tracker Utility here's a link for backtracker
(http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&s=480&m=ASUS+Backtracker&os=&hashedid=n%2fa)

I have downloaded and installed the Asus Backtrack utility. I'm not entirely sure what Option 2 provides that Option 1 doesn't cover but I'll see if I can perform both. The grammar/english of the utility is a bit broken, I did not typo the below quote, its word for word.


Option 1: Backup factory image

Backup image to recover your system to factory default setting when change HDD or any accidental damage

Option 2: Backup ASUS Driver/Application
The function help you backup ASUS Driver and Application to your USB Drive

Option 3: System Recovery
The function help you recover system

(a) Refresh system - If your PC isn't running well, you can refresh it without losing your photos, music, videos, and other personal files.

(b) Reset system - If you want to recycle your PC or start over completely, you can reset it to its factory sttings

WARNING TO USERS of ASUS BACKTRACKER
I went to use my 1TB external HDD (I do not own a USB stick that meets the 14GB requirement) but before I started it prompted me that it would erase ALL data on the USB device. That was close. So make sure you are using a USB device that you don't care if the data gets wiped. I'm heading to Staples to buy a new USB stick right now and will continue later.

Screenshots of using Asus Backtracker for those interested click HERE (http://imgur.com/a/gxdgi)

GottiBoi55
07-14-2013, 12:03 AM
Good job my friend, looks like you are on your way!
keep us updated!

Good luck!

adamsyes
07-14-2013, 12:14 AM
If you wish to benefit from fast boot on EUFI on the new SSD you trying to install, along with the Laptop OEM Windows 8 product key. you need to install Windows 8 OEM. not Pro

since Microsoft were total jerks removing all links to torrent / download legal ISO of the Basic Windows 8 file. I had to purchase one via their store for 159$ :/

jammed the CD and boom the product key step went through and installed it normally.

in other words. you will have to buy the DVD from Microsoft and the key that comes with it will be ..well untouched since you just need the ISO installation :( unless you have a other computer, you could use the key I guess

rewben
07-14-2013, 04:34 AM
I have downloaded and installed the Asus Backtrack utility. I'm not entirely sure what Option 2 provides that Option 1 doesn't cover but I'll see if I can perform both. The grammar/english of the utility is a bit broken, I did not typo the below quote, its word for word.

WARNING TO USERS of ASUS BACKTRACKER
I went to use my 1TB external HDD (I do not own a USB stick that meets the 14GB requirement) but before I started it prompted me that it would erase ALL data on the USB device. That was close. So make sure you are using a USB device that you don't care if the data gets wiped. I'm heading to Staples to buy a new USB stick right now and will continue later.

Screenshots of using Asus Backtracker for those interested click HERE (http://imgur.com/a/gxdgi)

yeah when i double checked @Dr4g0n36's notes, he did mention the data wiping part. i should have highlighted it again in my post sorry.

OrdinaryGamer
07-14-2013, 05:33 AM
I seem to be stuck at like 95% with the Asus Backtrack, see screenshot below...its been like that for an hour or so..getting nervous :-/

http://imgur.com/Bt2DsgY

@Adamsyes, my laptop came with Windows 8 and just last week I purchased the Windows 8 Pro w/ Media Center license from Microsoft. I can't imagine that purchasing an OEM Win8 disc would be necessary; especially since people replace hard drives all the time. I also understand that the license key is stored in the BIOS these days so its machine specific, not HDD specific.

Quick poll -- Should I keep waiting to see if Backtrack finally finishes or reboot and try again?

Also, another thought I had. Can't I install the SSD has the secondary and then boot into Windows Recovery at startup and tell Windows to install on the SSD and then reformat the original HDD?

Ps. No worries @rewben, I appreciate your help and I don't expect you to remember every little detail along the way :p

rewben
07-14-2013, 05:38 AM
afaik, the process should take about an hour. you should wait for a bit.

OrdinaryGamer
07-14-2013, 06:02 AM
I started at midnight and its now 2AM here (New England, USA). Rarely I'm seeing the HDD white LED blink...still no movement on the progress bar.

I bout a Crucial M500, 240GB. I've always been a fan if their RAM so I figured I'd try their SSD as well.

Why can't manufacturers just provide OEM discs? This is why people pirate Windows...

OrdinaryGamer
07-14-2013, 06:43 AM
I want to also point out the process I've done thus far:

1.) Ran Asus Backtrack program and choose the backup system factory settings using a Kingston 64GB USB 3.0 drive.

2.) Unplugged laptop, removed battery and opened the case. I first installed (2) 8GB DDR3 Crucial RAM sticks in the two available slots. Confirmed RAM is compatible.

3.) Removed existing HDD and installed new SSD drive. Then put the case/battery/power cable back and booted the machine.

4.) At boot up I hit the ESC key as instructed and selected to restore my PC using the USB stick which it recognized. Then proceeded to click "Next". Then everything was progressing fast and now its still stuck at what I consider to be 95%.

Was I supposed to boot into the BIOS menu first and change any settings prior to starting the recovery? I didn't think anything of it because Backtracker instantly recognized the USB drive...

OrdinaryGamer
07-14-2013, 08:56 AM
So I waited until 3:00 AM (I gave it another hour) and the progress bar still did not move. So I rebooted the PC and tried again and repeated the same steps and it said "Installing recovery partition", got to the same point again and failed. So what I did this time was put the original HDD into slot 2 so I could boot back into Windows 8. I then reformatted my 64GB Kingston USB drive (even though it was brand new) and re-did the steps with Asus Backtracker, which completed successfully ---- Screenshot Here (http://imgur.com/8OROyir) .

This time around I'm going to enter my BIOS first and enable EFI and then run the recovery software via the USB recovery I just made and I will disable the regular HDD in slot 2 and see if I can get anywhere. If all else fails, I'm hoping I can boot into Windows Recovery mode and install Windows 8 onto the SSD and then delete/reformat the HDD using NTFS. Its getting late, its now 4:50 AM EST here...I thought this would be much easier... :-/

Side Note: A bunch of new partitions showed up on my PC, not sure why at this time but here's a screenshot
Random Partitions (http://imgur.com/dbvilV1) (I have a 1TB HDD and a 240GB SSD and a 64GB Sandisk USB Drive)

I posted some more screenshots for those interested you can look at them HERE

I vow to not sleep until I get this working! IRL I am a Wireless Network Engineer and Computer Hobbyist --- I've been building PCs/fixing/using Linux/Mac OS/ Windows 95-Windows8 since I was a kid and this is really eating at my soul!

rewben
07-14-2013, 09:35 AM
i am not sure what really happened at 95% :/ have you done the gpt disk conversion for your ssd?

OrdinaryGamer
07-14-2013, 06:45 PM
i am not sure what really happened at 95% :/ have you done the gpt disk conversion for your ssd?

@rewben. I'm sorry man, I've been out of the loop for so long. I primarily deal with fiber optics/managed switches/routers, etc. I am WAAY out of the hardware game (but I'm still trying!) What is gpt disk conversion?

The problem cleared up once I rebooted and when into the BIOS and enabled EFI and then it ran through with no problems in like 10-15 minutes and now I'm up and running on my SSD drive. There is one problem though (I hate how the recovery console does not allow you to partition disk space. Remember, I only have (2) hard drives; 240GB SSD as the primary/os/some games and then the former primary HDD in the secondary slot (which I haven't wiped yet. But when I look at My Computer I have 4 random partitions that don't add up to me. Can you look at this screen shot and tell me what's up? CLICK HERE FOR SCREENSHOT (http://i.imgur.com/ff13DcW.jpg) What programs do you recommend for Partitioning active drives?

Also, Windows said I have software that needed to be safely removed and it was called "PCI to PCI Bridge", I've never seen that below...

PS - This Would Have Saved A LOT of Time:
How to create a bootable Windows 8 recovery tool (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2041569/how-to-create-a-bootable-windows-8-recovery-tool.html) OR Create a USB recovery drive Microsoft Article (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-usb-recovery-drive)

GottiBoi55
07-14-2013, 11:14 PM
I glad it all worked out for you in the end my friend!!!

I would keep your SSD minimal, just apps to use mostly!
remove all the "bloatware" you don't need!!
Put your music, pictures, videos, and games on the factory HDD.

Now a days most games take up way too much space so it works out better to install on the HDD!
BF3 for example, 2 disks, and a 6 GB download update. (40 GB total)
I have no problems with this configuration (only load times are a little shower), and game play takes no hit in performance!

Clintlgm
07-15-2013, 06:29 PM
Minitool partition Wizard Home (http://www.partitionwizard.com/landing-page.html?gclid=CMPc9dTksbgCFfFDMgodLFAABg) will allow you to fix your partitions any way you want them, free tool. Exactly like the old Partition Magic Full supports UEIF GPT and Dynamic disk.

I can't help you with the "PCI to PCI Bridge" but you might try to update your Chipset drivers, you'll have to run them from CMD with admin, use switches -overall -override You can get the latest from Intel or Asus from Asus download for your model.

Rewben does have how to create a UEIF 64 Bit USB bootable thumb drive in his Upgrade notes and Guides (http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?28758-GUIDE-G55-G75-Upgrade-Notes&country=&status=)thread.

Tomislav
07-17-2013, 07:30 PM
wow this was a painful process for you. Thats why I always do fresh installs, simply it's simpler to install all those apps later on your new ssd/hdd then to battle like this. Good work bro you did it! Btw crucial ssd have the reputation as one of most reliable on the market and I figure this is more important, than having the fastest ssd. After all compared to a HDD all SSDs are superfast!
Cheers!

hestekadaver
01-17-2014, 06:29 PM
hi!
I am putting in a new SSD drive in my asus g750 and i want to know if i can just make a recovery disk like the one in this link? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-usb-recovery-drive

I want too clean the HDD i have now and use it for storage and put windows thats on that disk onto the new SSD.
do i need backtracker or will this do the trick?
i mean can i clean my HDD and then put in the SSD and use the recovery disk i made to install windows there?

Clintlgm
01-17-2014, 07:59 PM
Yea not sure about the MS stuff, Backtracker (http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=asus+backtracker&hashedid=n%2Fa)should work, Macrium Reflect (http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx)Works perfect everytime

If your going to clone. After you finish the Deploy to different hardware. I would take out the hard drive and boot up your SSD, once you know its booting good then put your Hard drive back in and format or repartition.

hestekadaver
01-17-2014, 08:09 PM
does the free version of macrium reflect work?

Clintlgm
01-17-2014, 08:26 PM
I think yes, I have only used the pro version. Many on here have used just the free version.

hestekadaver
01-17-2014, 09:59 PM
anyone have time to make me a foolproof step by step on how i do this using macrium reflect?

would be very much appreciated :D

Clintlgm
01-17-2014, 10:51 PM
There online guides and Forum are very though and to the point

hestekadaver
01-18-2014, 08:29 AM
couldnt really find any guides exept for doing it with win 7.

Nehmia
01-18-2014, 09:33 AM
couldnt really find any guides exept for doing it with win 7.

than I suggest you take a google course

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ASUS+G75VX+Windows+8.1+Clean+Install+Guide