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YesNoYes-
08-15-2013, 02:42 PM
Just a few notes out of the way- Yes, I tried both the latest ASUS drivers and latest international NVIDIA betas. Yes, I have set power management in NVIDIA control panel to "performance". And yes, I have tried complete restoration of laptop to ASUS factory settings.

I have a problem that once the GPU reachs 65-66C there's a sudden drop of around -20fps while gaming.
I have overclocked (135/800/no voltage change) and tried switching apps between EVGA, ASUS tweak, MSI afterburner etc. and get the same result- once the GPU reaches 65C there's a sudden drop in fps and GPU temp goes down following that. Using monitor tools I can't see any change in MHz or other values except FPS and what's called "fb usage %" (in MSI afterburner) at moment of fps drop. This leads me to believe ASUS (from bios) or NVIDIA (from drivers) set the GPU to "throttle" (it's not really considered throttling to my understanding). I'm positive that even not overclocked once I'll reach 65C the fps will drop from whatever it was to that point. Overclocking just makes it reach 65C faster.
65C is a stupid temp to "throttle" and completely too low and so I'd be happy to know if:
a) Any other people experience this effect?
b) How can I stop this from happening?

Thanks.

iweber95
08-15-2013, 03:23 PM
What games are you playing that this happens on? Is your windows up to date? I have a 770m and I've never had any sort of problems like this at all even while overclocked at 75C

YesNoYes-
08-15-2013, 03:30 PM
I have tested only 'Crysis 3' (graphics set to HIGH) and 'Saints Row: The Third' (graphics set to ULTA). So happens both in newer and older games. I think that in any condition or game, once my GPU reaches 65-66C there will be an fps drop. Not sure why I'm not seeing changes in GPU values with monitor apps either once this happens.. Very strange.

TekNiko
08-15-2013, 04:17 PM
Check the GPU clock speed in MSI Afterburner to see if it goes down along with the drop in FPS when it hits 65C. I used to have this issue with my Alienware M14x R2. It was hardcoded into the BIOS that the GPU would throttle once it hit 68C. I don't think it's the same case with Asus systems though. I've been able to game on my JX overclocked and with temps reaching 76C with smooth performance.

YesNoYes-
08-15-2013, 05:39 PM
Like I said, nothing including GPU clock drops once the fps drop appears, except FPS and "FB usage %"- only these 2 appear to drop with the FPS along with the temp back to 64C and below. This is why I suspect some built-in software with the driver screwing with the GPU. Of course I have installed nothing since restoring to ASUS default win8.

YesNoYes-
08-15-2013, 09:27 PM
OK so I switched to latest NVIDIA drivers v9.18.13.1193 from ASUS, which are not published under G750 support pages for some reason. Once I stayed overclocked under ~1480MHz in Memory Clock, I can finally surpass 65-66C without FPS drop. If I raise above ~1480MHz as long as I am under 65-66C performance is definitely the best, but once I reach 65-66C there's an instant FPS drop with no warning what so ever. No driver glitches pop-up, no underclocking announced in monitors- NOTHING but an FPS drop. I have no idea why and how this is happening specifically when I raise Memory Clock above ~1480MHz and specifically once it reaches 65-66C, but I have a feeling it's a useless safety feature embedded into the driver by NVIDIA and the GPU should be able to handle this level of overclocking stably.
I am still waiting on some people who know o/c'ing better than me to voice their opinions please.

YesNoYes-
08-17-2013, 12:11 AM
So the problem has returned! While I am now able to push past 66C in Crysis 3, while reaching 65-66C in Saint Row The Third I get instant fps drops that only go away after rebooting.
There are still no changes in GPU-Z or other monitor apps values! So this means no throttoling occurs. Something hidden in the system just drops my FPS at 65-66C for no reason.
Can anyone help or is this a useless thread in this forum?
I can't possibly be the only one this happens to... Maybe other JW users don't push their gaming as far as I do. I am 100% percent sure this is not an issue only with my laptop and it will happen to all of you who o/c sooner or later running on higher range graphics game.

unclewebb
08-17-2013, 01:36 AM
Have you tried ThrottleStop yet and used it to log your CPU's performance when this GPU throttling is happening? Include GPU temperature monitoring in the log file.

Sometimes the BD PROCHOT function can be used to trigger throttling based on the GPU temperature. Disable BD PROCHOT and see if that makes any difference.

ThrottleStop 6.00 beta 1
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6m1i5ege91o7ib2/ThrottleStop_600b1.zip

abeepak1
08-17-2013, 06:53 AM
Sounds like your overclock is failing. Sometimes when overclocks do fail, the driver or game may not crash, but the fps will dip dramatically. Happened to me before, running unstable clocks, despite it seeming to be stable in OCCT, but keep in mind, OCCT and stability test programs push the gpu far too fast, makibg it throttle down. Therefore not testing its true boost clock. Cut down on the oc and troubleshoot again, preferably turning oc off altogether for the time being.

YesNoYes-
08-17-2013, 07:40 PM
Well this is what I thought at first until I realized the fps drops come exactly once the GPU reaches 66C.
I would expect o/c failing to appear at random points, why is it so temp dependent then?
If I do manage to surpass 66C, which can happen if I reinstall certain drivers (and pray long enough(, from that point no fps drops will appear during that run. Once I close the game or reboot or whatever the drops will reappear out of no where (again- at 66C). The 66C mark is quite strangely organized to be considered o/c failing- that's what my logic tells me (but what do I know...), am I wrong?

By the way: I tired ThrottleStop- didn't help as not actual throttling is observed. This is either a silent driver fail or a pre-set temp limit.

kingkaan
02-20-2014, 05:02 PM
HeY YesNoYes,

I have g750jw with gtx 765m and I came across the same problem which i couldnt get around...i get no throttling with stock oc using gpu tweak..friend of mine helped me unlocked the slider and helped me oc...we literally tried everything master voltage tdp limit everything u can think of but it throttles no matter what...its pissed me off to the point where i am so frustrated and want to sell my laptop... just liek you said my gpu load drops to %50 and i lose about 20 25 fps in game especially in crysis 3 i couldnt play it at all. now im just on stock vbios using stock oc. if anyone found a way to get around this or cause please let me know!

sasuke256
02-20-2014, 11:13 PM
update to last bios version !

kingkaan
02-21-2014, 01:07 AM
update to last bios version !

Already did! when this happened i was on 208...which is the latest one..then i tried 206 and 207 none of them worked.

kingsknight
02-21-2014, 02:18 PM
How strange, I have a 5 month old G750JW and I'v overclocked my card to 996mhz / 6100mhz and I'v never had such a problem and I'v been known to game on it nonstop for a whole day lol

try getting a cooling board or something?

hmscott
02-21-2014, 02:45 PM
IDK why you guys aren't seeing the Nvidia "Video Driver Crashed and is Restarting" popup, but what you are describing are the symptoms experienced after an Nvidia Driver crash - the GPU throttles to minimal performance until you reboot.

This crash usually comes from a GPU memory clock OC. In my experience all the G750 models can take the highest GPU frequency OC - slider all the way up, but the memory OC is more sensitive.

For the JH, here is where I am stable:

33609

Whatever the default memory frequency is for your version of the G750, increase in 100mhz increments until you get the throttling behavior, and the back off 2-300mhz and that should be enough to allow stable running during long gaming sessions - if not drop it down another 100mhz at a time until it is stable.

It isn't the temperature that is the problem, it is the memory OC :)

kingkaan
02-21-2014, 06:50 PM
IDK why you guys aren't seeing the Nvidia "Video Driver Crashed and is Restarting" popup, but what you are describing are the symptoms experienced after an Nvidia Driver crash - the GPU throttles to minimal performance until you reboot.

This crash usually comes from a GPU memory clock OC. In my experience all the G750 models can take the highest GPU frequency OC - slider all the way up, but the memory OC is more sensitive.

For the JH, here is where I am stable:

33609

Whatever the default memory frequency is for your version of the G750, increase in 100mhz increments until you get the throttling behavior, and the back off 2-300mhz and that should be enough to allow stable running during long gaming sessions - if not drop it down another 100mhz at a time until it is stable.

It isn't the temperature that is the problem, it is the memory OC :)


no no i can overclock and not have any problem my oc clocks are noe 0997 mhz core and 6088 mem. our problem si we are using a modded vbios...and we pushed the core up to 350 mhz we literally started from the bottom 200 mhz 300 mhz on the core.. everything works fine for a little bit then we see gpu load drops to %50 and lose 20 fps for a few seconds and then it goes back up..so it keeps doing this back and forth. gpu z perfcap shows all gray so utility no power problems..and it's not driver crashing. if it i would never get over P5584 on 3dmark11 which is very hard to get with gtx 765m. dreamonic and I tried everything different drivers downclocking cpu changing tdp limits playing with master voltage...the card doesn't heat up it happens at 64 c 74c it happens every a few seconds..20 fps drops and then goes back up...

kingkaan
02-21-2014, 06:52 PM
How strange, I have a 5 month old G750JW and I'v overclocked my card to 996mhz / 6100mhz and I'v never had such a problem and I'v been known to game on it nonstop for a whole day lol

try getting a cooling board or something?

like we said before no overheating problem...it throttles at 64C. it's not about thermal..i can overclock without a throttle problem on stock vbios to 0997 and 6088 mem and have no problems we are using a modded vbios with unlocked core slider.

Dreamonic
02-21-2014, 10:04 PM
I'll chime in as well Kaan.

Basically what's happening is we get 'throttling' when: The OC limit is raised and past +135, boost clocks raised dynamically, raised master voltage, raised TDP limits, adjusted P0/P5 voltages only, forced voltages/clocks throughout all P-states, boost completely disabled, ran with K-boost enabled/disabled, raised temp limit, adjusted voltage +25-75mV only, adjusted core clock only, adjusted memory clock only, diff driver versions ... rinse and repeat... rinse and repeat...

At first it seemed like the CPU was the cause because when the GPU was throttling, the CPU would drop from 3.2Ghz down to 800Mhz. So we got XTU installed and began undervolting it, but the results differed even more. The throttling would randomly happen during benching and GPU-Z wouldn't show anything about voltage or power via PerfCap, but Util during the benching tests where it's supposed to run at max clocks. It is not a temperature problem as on stock vBIOS there is no throttling once so ever, in fact we even OC'd the CPU just to rule out the CPU being the issue. Everything runs fine with the stock vBIOS with stock OC limit +135.

I'd like to point out now that the throttling we are referring about is not the -13Mhz temperature throttle that you find on YT vids with the desktop brethren cards. What happens during benching at say with raised OC limit and +75mV, making 1150 on the core, results in half of the tests running smooth and then near the end of it or vice versa, it will throttle GPU usage from 99% to 45-52% and create this slow-mo like effect.

So, seeing as how we can OC the CPU and use the stock vBIOS with stock OC limit just fine, I realized it's definitely due to the Boost 2.0 algorithm affecting power/voltage/clock and load throttling. However, why the initial attempts did nothing but result in throttling is what is puzzling. I know that with Alienware/MSI/Clevo versions of the 7XXM, they don't have these issues as it seems to be just with ASUS G750 cards; It could be the power design with the MB or MXM slot being power limited, I am not entirely sure yet.

There doesn't seem to be very many people going past the stock OC limit of +135 with raised voltage on a 765M in their JW's. So that's why the attempts, now if only the throttling would piss-off!


IDK why you guys aren't seeing the Nvidia "Video Driver Crashed and is Restarting" popup, but what you are describing are the symptoms experienced after an Nvidia Driver crash - the GPU throttles to minimal performance until you reboot.

There is also no driver crashing during the throttling. We can however make one by not having enough voltage when pushing the core even further toward 1250 @ 125mV; This is not related to our problem.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 02:09 AM
:)

First of all I am not the only one that doesn't know your history, that you are talking about vbios modded graphics cards - you need to put that in every post so that people don't think this behavior is happening to the Asus OEM laptop hardware configuration.

People will worry about this happening to them, when there is no way they will see this behavior - unless they flash the vbios of their perfectly good laptop video card :)

Flash back to the original vbios and BIOS and be happy with the stock performance, or OC using the Asus GPU Tweak tool.

Ya gotta admit, Asus engineers were pretty smart building in fail-safe's to protect you from burning down your laptops :)

kingkaan
02-22-2014, 02:24 AM
:)

First of all I am not the only one that doesn't know your history, that you are talking about vbios modded graphics cards - you need to put that in every post so that people don't think this behavior is happening to the Asus OEM laptop hardware configuration.

People will worry about this happening to them, when there is no way they will see this behavior - unless they flash the vbios of their perfectly good laptop video card :)

Flash back to the original vbios and BIOS and be happy with the stock performance, or OC using the Asus GPU Tweak tool.

Ya gotta admit, Asus engineers were pretty smart building in fail-safe's to protect you from burning down your laptops :)


First of all you didn't need to edit your post I already saw the dumb-asses part that you took off..second of all...this also happens on stock vbios when we move the voltage slider on gpu tweak...and second of all do you even read anything properly before responding? dreamonic owns an asus laptop. with 670mx in it. now do you see his 3dmark links? you see those scores? yeah thats done on a asus laptop. so i guess when you know your **** you can't burn anything down can you? not everyone buys a god damn asus laptop like you every month mr gtx 780m. you obviously don't know **** about overclocking so why jump into peoples post to insult them and talk stupid? we get it you are the wizard of this forum you know everything but clearly you don't know anything about problems we're having or overclocking this far. so if you don't have anything helpful or useful to say go troll somewhere else.. we clearly don't have time for you we are trying to figure something out here from people who actually might know something.

Dreamonic
02-22-2014, 02:48 AM
:)

First of all I am not the only one that doesn't know your history, that you are talking about vbios modded graphics cards - you need to put that in every post so that people don't think this behavior is happening to the Asus OEM laptop hardware configuration.

People will worry about this happening to them, when there is no way they will see this behavior - unless they flash the vbios of their perfectly good laptop video card :)

Flash back to the original vbios and BIOS and be happy with the stock performance, or OC using the Asus GPU Tweak tool.

Ya gotta admit, Asus engineers were pretty smart building in fail-safe's to protect you from burning down your laptops :)


Calling us, 'me' a dumbass hmscott.... well you lost my respect.

I'm going to stop there.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 02:54 AM
First of all you didn't need to edit your post I already saw the dumb-asses part that you took off..second of all...this also happens on stock vbios when we move the voltage slider on gpu tweak...and second of all do you even read anything properly before responding? dreamonic owns an asus laptop. with 670mx in it. now do you see his 3dmark links? you see those scores? yeah thats done on a asus laptop. so i guess when you know your **** you can't burn anything down can you? not everyone buys a god damn asus laptop like you every month mr gtx 780m. you obviously don't know **** about overclocking so why jump into peoples post to insult them and talk stupid? we get it you are the wizard of this forum you know everything but clearly you don't know anything about problems we're having or overclocking this far. so if you don't have anything helpful or useful to say go troll somewhere else.. we clearly don't have time for you we are trying to figure something out here from people who actually might know something.

Kingkan, I took it because it seemed harsh upon re-reading it, and I was trying to be understanding -people doing dumb things doesn't make them dumb-asses. Although I have done dumb-ass things in the past myself, which is easy to laugh at now, but not so much at the time.

It was a dumb thing to do, to flash the video bios. I made postings months ago with links to people that had bricked their laptops by flashing their vbios, to try to alert people that it was a real possibility - that they were going to ruin their perfectly good laptop by doing something dumb.

Don't get mad at me for your mistake, I am sorry for you, I tried to warn you, and you had to go ahead and experience the disappointment for yourself. Now try to learn from it, and help protect others from ruining their laptop experience by doing the same thing.

I did read the postings in this thread, but I haven't been around much for the last couple of months, so I haven't seen any previous discussions about flashing the vbios by these posters.

If someone was successful on another type of laptop, flashing the vbios of another kind of video card, that doesn't indicate you will have success on your laptop or your video card. If you want to share their success, get their exact laptop and video card.

If you can't afford to purchase a new laptop every month then you shouldn't be messing up the one you can afford to purchase with such a cavalier attitude. It is a dumb thing to risk for not very much of a payoff.

The reason you are angry isn't me, it is you. You are upset with yourself and you are lashing out at someone that can help you recover from your mistake. I am not upset, I understand how you feel, I have done dumbass things before and can laugh about it now, but at the time I was pretty pissed off... sorry if I triggered anger in you, it wasn't my intention.

Let me know how I can help.

Dreamonic
02-22-2014, 03:05 AM
Hmscott, where do you read the graphics card is screwed up..... no where is that even implied, his system runs fine! We are simply trying to achieve a high overclock like I have done for a lot of people on the forums and their G75's. The G750 is different due to the Boost 2.0, which I've done extensive work arounds with and still no success yet.

You clearly are not understanding something about our posts.

I have done a lot of vBIOS modding and have dealt with over 100 ppl so far via forums with my modified vBIOSes. I'm good at what I do, however support from other members and their systems may shed some light as to why Kaan's is acting the way it is under our conditioned circumstances.

Understand now?

hmscott
02-22-2014, 03:07 AM
It was a dumb-ass thing to do, flashing your vbios - which is just my opinion.

I think over time you will learn that taking such a risk with something that expensive - for very little real gain - isn't smart.

It isn't going to make enough of a difference on the upside, and the downside is a huge financial loss for you - or a hassle for Asus (or your laptop manufacturer) if they are nice enough to bail you out and fix it for you.

Would you prefer "Jack-Ass", like the dumb-ass daredevils that take on huge risk for little payoff? :)

Don't take it so personally Deamonic, well all do dumb-ass things in our lives :)

kingkaan
02-22-2014, 03:12 AM
I am sorry are you deaf? or do you have problem understanding what i and dreamonic trying to explain something to you. my system on stock vbios with stock oc currently breaks 5K on 3dmark11. which BRICKED SYSTEMS USUALLY CAN'T DO..bricked cards systems don't turn on. how many times do i have to say before you understand system runs fine here. increasing voltage causes problems. which we were trying to figure out. you say how can i help before understanding the problem. i just don't understand what are you on.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 03:14 AM
Hmscott, where do you read the graphics card is screwed up..... no where is that even implied, his system runs fine! We are simply trying to achieve a high overclock like I have done for a lot of people on the forums and their G75's. The G750 is different due to the Boost 2.0, which I've done extensive work arounds with and still no success yet.

You clearly are not understanding something about our posts.

I have done a lot of vBIOS modding and have dealt with over 100 ppl so far via forums with my modified vBIOSes. I'm good at what I do, however support from other members and their systems may shed some light as to why Kaan's is acting the way it is under our conditioned circumstances.

Understand now?

Actually it is worse than bricking. As you will keep wasting time fiddling with it to try to get around the throttling. The hope that the flashing will end up being worthwhile will waste hours of your time and others trying to make it worthwhile.

I do understand, many years of watching people do the same thing, many not following directions well enough that they brick their cards, others not getting much of a boost even after getting it working, and those that get the best OC's aren't seeing enough boost to make it worthwhile - a couple of FPS at most on average.

It is a nice project, and if you could keep it to yourself and others that can do it right 100% of the time then there wouldn't be so many sad people with bricked video cards wondering what they did wrong, embarrassed enough to only make 1 post back - or none - and then quietly go away never to be heard from again. How many have you seen have this happen?

It isn't worth it.

Dreamonic
02-22-2014, 03:14 AM
Let me address something now so you can understand it better hmscott.

I took a 670MX and doubled the performance of it via flashing my modded vBIOS, 30fps is 60fps now. That's gain for you!

At what cost? Do you understand Hex? Do you understand the tools used? Do you have any experience in programming?

If not, then I can understand why you feel it's 'risky' and dumb thing to do.

I've given everyone I helped 100% guarantee since I work with each individual during the whole process. I make that effort and answer any questions they have so that they don't go through that likely chance of 'bricking' it themselves.

Don't talk down to me hmscott. This isn't your level of expertise like it is mine.


I understand your concern for the other members, in which I appreciate that, but don't accuse ME or categorize me like I am just the same as everyone else you may have read doing it.


If you have such a problem with posts like this, my advice would be to talk to the admin or mod to prohibit such overclocking postings so that you can feel 'safer' in your world of overclocking due to the soft limitations.

It doesn't change the fact that people brick their laptops just updating their BIOS, or saving changes in the BIOS.. what of them hmscott?

Exactly.


I'm done.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 03:24 AM
Let me address something now so you can understand it better hmscott.

I took a 670MX and doubled the performance of it via flashing my modded vBIOS, 30fps is 60fps now. That's gain for you!

At what cost? Do you understand Hex? Do you understand the tools used? Do you have any experience in programming?

If not, then I can understand why you feel it's 'risky' and dumb thing to do.

I've given everyone I helped 100% guarantee since I work with each individual during the whole process. I make that effort and answer any questions they have.

Don't talk down to me hmscott. This isn't your level of expertise like it is mine.

Your experience is the exception in the world of vbios modding. Most of the time it makes little difference. The rest of the time the system doesn't have enough cooling to take the extra heat load.

If the 670 in your machine can do that, that is awesome. And, if you can help others do that with 100% success - no bricking - then that is great too, but it doesn't mean that will translate onto other hardware - and in my experience your experience is the exception.

I am not talking down to you, I am talking at the same level. I do hardware and software optimization for a living.

I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting. You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.

And, back to my first post, don't forget to mention in every post that the behavior you are discussing is on a vbios modded system, not a stock system. I don't have throttling occur at full OC on GPU clock and high memory clock unless I OC too far and the driver crashes - I am not seeing the throttling on a stock video card.

It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 03:34 AM
I am sorry are you deaf? or do you have problem understanding what i and dreamonic trying to explain something to you. my system on stock vbios with stock oc currently breaks 5K on 3dmark11. which BRICKED SYSTEMS USUALLY CAN'T DO..bricked cards systems don't turn on. how many times do i have to say before you understand system runs fine here. increasing voltage causes problems. which we were trying to figure out. you say how can i help before understanding the problem. i just don't understand what are you on.

kingkaan, I know that you haven't bricked you cards, you have simply done a useless vbios flash, it does nothing since trying to take advantage of it throttles the card and makes it useless, I understand.

I am talking about helping you flash back to stock. I am not going to help do a vbios flash tweak fix. I will help you understand why it is a waste of time, and why it is not a useful hack, and why it isn't going to work well enough to make it worthwhile. That is how I can help here.

The bricking is what happens when people don't get full instructions, don't follow the instructions exactly, or have a slightly different config than the vbios supports and flash with it anyway - some early G750 flashers had that problem - using an old vbios meant for another card.

There are so many potential things that can be different than the machine/config that the developer makes instructions for. You have to read and re-read the instructions, and even look at instructions for other machines/cards to gain the perspective necessary to not make a dumb mistake when doing the flashing.

Different starting system bios or vbios, different OS config, different usb flash drives (wrong size, wrong format), different revs of video cards within the same model, different flash memory areas within the same card models, different flash area formats within the same card models, different timings - you might wait too long, or not long enough and get impatient and stop a process before it is done. I have seen a lot of failure modes. It is sad. Lots of sad people. Very few benefits for all the misery.

kingkaan
02-22-2014, 03:37 AM
You need to speak for yourself and stop speaking for others. We already told you this happens even on STOCK vBIOS once the voltage is changed via Precision X. Anyone can change the voltage and will probably experience the same throttling I am mentioning.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 03:52 AM
Let me address something now so you can understand it better hmscott.

I took a 670MX and doubled the performance of it via flashing my modded vBIOS, 30fps is 60fps now. That's gain for you!

At what cost? Do you understand Hex? Do you understand the tools used? Do you have any experience in programming?

If not, then I can understand why you feel it's 'risky' and dumb thing to do.

I've given everyone I helped 100% guarantee since I work with each individual during the whole process. I make that effort and answer any questions they have so that they don't go through that likely chance of 'bricking' it themselves.

Don't talk down to me hmscott. This isn't your level of expertise like it is mine.


I understand your concern for the other members, in which I appreciate that, but don't accuse ME or categorize me like I am just the same as everyone else you may have read doing it.


If you have such a problem with posts like this, my advice would be to talk to the admin or mod to prohibit such overclocking postings so that you can feel 'safer' in your world of overclocking due to the soft limitations.

It doesn't change the fact that people brick their laptops just updating their BIOS, or saving changes in the BIOS.. what of them hmscott?

Exactly.

I'm done.

Exactly, people brick their laptops/motherboards even flashing their motherboard bios. And, that is an approved supported well understood procedure that even with all the effort by 100's of engineers over many years still messes up from time to time. Doing a vbios flash is 100's of times more dangerous than flashing your motherboard BIOS.

I have literally flashed thousands of BIOS's for motherboards, video cards, disk controllers, SAN switches, raid controllers, network devices of all types, and in all that time it has only messed up 3 times. 1 motherboard, 1 video card, and 1 router.

All those flashes were supported by the manufacturer, all replaced by the manufacturer, and all done without a mistake on my part - the process simply failed. A supported useful risk was taken to fix / improve the performance of a device for me or for a client.

Why take the risk with a $1k, $2K, $3k laptop, with a custom built video card, that only the manufacturer can service and replace - you can't go down to Frys / Microcenter / etc to get a replacement. And, if you could it wouldn't be cheap.

You say you got double the frame rate with your OC on the 670. How much are you promising for the G750JW/JX? 20%?

Is it really worth a few FPS to take the risk of flashing your laptop to a non-standard BIOS and vbios? Really?

Quoting in the same breath that you got 100% speed up (doubling of FPS) on another card/laptop is misleading and unfair - it catches the attention of those that hope they can also double the performance of their graphics cards for nothing - when you and I know that is impossible.

How are you going to get support for the laptop should something else go wrong? Are you going to flash back the system BIOS and vbios to stock so you can send it in for service? And, then flash it back when you get it back from service? Taking a risk of messing up every time you flash?

"If you have such a problem with posts like this, my advice would be to talk to the admin or mod to prohibit such overclocking postings so that you can feel 'safer' in your world of overclocking due to the soft limitations."

I am adding commentary to counter your efforts at convincing people this is a safe and worthwhile endeavor - as I know it isn't. You are free to post your efforts and your findings. As am I.

You are supposed to be experienced enough to know to not post claims of extraordinary results from another platform as an indicator of potential results on this platform. And you should know better than to post results and efforts that are experimental and *not working* as if they are and will eventually work - until they actually do.

If you did that, I wouldn't have anything contrary to say. :)

kingkaan
02-22-2014, 04:07 AM
All I know is you got that i know it the best attitude if u try to prove me wrong i will bring up random **** i did and confuse the **** out of you make u think i know some **** and i know it better. EGO HAS YOU hmscott. Your ego is so fat when you walked by the tv i missed a whole episode of spartacus. you know people like you will never admit they are wrong or they don't know something they will battle battle battle..to the point i don't even freaking know what you are saying or why you are posting anymore mr grammar perfect.

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hmscott
02-22-2014, 04:20 AM
All I know is you got that i know it the best attitude if u try to prove me wrong i will bring up random **** i did and confuse the **** out of you make u think i know some **** and i know it better. EGO HAS YOU hmscott. Your ego is so fat when you walked by the tv i missed a whole episode of spartacus. you know people like you will never admit they are wrong or they don't know something they will battle battle battle..to the point i don't even freaking know what you are saying or why you are posting anymore mr grammar perfect.

You are pissed off, and not understanding what I am saying kingkaan, take a break and come back to this a month or two from now, and let us know how valuable you think vbios flashing is then.

It only seems like random **** because you aren't putting the pieces together yet. It will happen, you just have to give it time.

"Your ego is so fat when you walked by the tv i missed a whole episode of spartacus" - you need a bigger TV, or ask me to sit down and have a beer and we can watch it together next time :)

"you know people like you will never admit they are wrong" - no, actually that is how my grammer got good and my thoughts got clear - exploring things and getting them wrong often and then learning them right. It is a long process. And it is still going on. :)

Being human is to be in error most of the time - way more than most people realize...

If Deamonic gets the hack working, and proves that the vbios hack on the G750 is worthwhile, that will mean there is one more platform that it is worth doing a vbios flash on.

Until then it isn't worthwhile - you know, kinda like if it isn't worthwhile, then it isn't worthwhile - now - but maybe later it will be. You can't say it is worthwhile now, when it isn't worthwhile now, just cause you are assuming it will be worthwhile later.

I am not trying to be right, I am trying to communicate that a 100% speed up on another platform doesn't indicate that a 100% speed up will happen on the G750 - later, cause it sure isn't doing that now.

Clearly understanding the potential, the current state of the hack, and what it will take to make it worthwhile is all I am trying to say.

That, and the likely-hood of bricking your video card by doing this is much higher than flashing your motherboard BIOS, and that bricks motherboards from time to time.

And, back to the original post I made, please make sure when discussing problems with video card throttling after doing a vbios flash that you state that is what you are discussing and that it has nothing to do with stock OEM video card performance.

kingkaan
02-22-2014, 04:25 AM
You are pissed off, and not understanding what I am saying kingkaan, take a break and come back to this a month or two from now, and let us know how valuable you think vbios flashing is then.

It only seems like random **** because you aren't putting the pieces together yet. It will happen, you just have to give it time.

ok father. as you say. no need to curse omg how rude are you i hope an admin bans you you are bad influence on this forum!

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Sandman007
02-22-2014, 04:29 AM
Your experience is the exception in the world of vbios modding. Most of the time it makes little difference. The rest of the time the system doesn't have enough cooling to take the extra heat load.

If the 670 in your machine can do that, that is awesome. And, if you can help others do that with 100% success - no bricking - then that is great too, but it doesn't mean that will translate onto other hardware - and in my experience your experience is the exception.

I am not talking down to you, I am talking at the same level. I do hardware and software optimization for a living.

I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting. You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.

And, back to my first post, don't forget to mention in every post that the behavior you are discussing is on a vbios modded system, not a stock system. I don't have throttling occur at full OC on GPU clock and high memory clock unless I OC too far and the driver crashes - I am not seeing the throttling on a stock video card.

It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

First off I want to start off by saying that I have read every post in this thread and I have found with every single post you have made you are making yourself sound more and more like a blubbering idiot? Seriously do you even read their full responses before you pull the words out of your ass and string them together into a massive turd you call a "Response"?

Let me just say that Dreamonic knows exactly what he is talking about. He knows his **** more than anybody that I know. And this isn't coming from some random guy that asks him to unlock his vbios because he is a noob at electronics in general. I know my **** as well. And from reading your posts it sound like you may have a decent grasp at electronics I'll give you that. But it sounds like you don't know **** about reading. Because if you could read then Kaan and Dreamonic would not need to explain themselves multiple times before you get your head out of your ass to use your "brain".

Anybody that says that unlocking your vBIOS or modding it is unsafe and should not be done is either simply uneducated or misinformed (which is understandable and excusable to some extent), or is just ****ing stupid. That is like saying using a knife is unsafe and you should never use one. Using a knife the PROPER way is fine. It has many benefits like cutting **** when cooking. But if used improperly you could cut off a finger. Same goes with vBIOS modding. It has great potential if used correctly.

Ok lets start with this bull**** statement you made: "I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting.You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.".

Please show me where he is promising Kaan "Benefits you don't know you can get". I would love to see that. If you can pull that proof out of your ass just like with every other post that you have made I will take everything back i have said thus far. He isn't stating "Hey guys everybody do what I am doing because there are no risks involved". The day Dreamonic says that will be the day a monkey climbs out of my ass. Dreamonic is not an idiot OK. Also who are you too say he isn't allowed to go on a pubic HELP FORUM to get HELP you ****head. Its a HELP forum for a reason. He isn't posting a Guide onthis **** ****nut. He is asking for HELP . Is anyone ****ing home???

Ok now lets talk about this bull**** statement: It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

Just about every single word in this sentence is bull****. I even highlighted the words for you so you can go back and review. Don't hurt yourself. I know its hard. Again where the **** are you seeing this? Do you take naps between each post you read and just forget about everything you read? First off Kaan is not a "noob". He has experience in this stuff. It is his laptop after all. He may not know as much as Dreamonic but he know more than you from what I can gather. 2nd how do you know that this is untested and dangerous? Are you Dreamonic's stalker? Do you know if he tests his **** or not? I certainly hope know because than I would have to call the cops on your ass. Oh and once again Dreamonic never said their was no risk. And if you are so stupid that you think there is no risk than you shouldn't have a laptop. You should be in teh corner coloring because you are catering on stupid.

kingkaan
02-22-2014, 04:40 AM
First off I want to start off by saying that I have read every post in this thread and I have found with every single post you have made you are making yourself sound more and more like a blubbering idiot? Seriously do you even read their full responses before you pull the words out of your ass and string them together into a massive turd you call a "Response"?

Let me just say that Dreamonic knows exactly what he is talking about. He knows his **** more than anybody that I know. And this isn't coming from some random guy that asks him to unlock his vbios because he is a noob at electronics in general. I know my **** as well. And from reading your posts it sound like you may have a decent grasp at electronics I'll give you that. But it sounds like you don't know **** about reading. Because if you could read then Kaan and Dreamonic would not need to explain themselves multiple times before you get your head out of your ass to use your "brain".

Anybody that says that unlocking your vBIOS or modding it is unsafe and should not be done is either simply uneducated or misinformed (which is understandable and excusable to some extent), or is just ****ing stupid. That is like saying using a knife is unsafe and you should never use one. Using a knife the PROPER way is fine. It has many benefits like cutting **** when cooking. But if used improperly you could cut off a finger. Same goes with vBIOS modding. It has great potential if used correctly.

Ok lets start with this bull**** statement you made: "I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting.You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.".

Please show me where he is promising Kaan "Benefits you don't know you can get". I would love to see that. If you can pull that proof out of your ass just like with every other post that you have made I will take everything back i have said thus far. He isn't stating "Hey guys everybody do what I am doing because there are no risks involved". The day Dreamonic says that will be the day a monkey climbs out of my ass. Dreamonic is not an idiot OK. Also who are you too say he isn't allowed to go on a pubic HELP FORUM to get HELP you ****head. Its a HELP forum for a reason. He isn't posting a Guide onthis **** ****nut. He is asking for HELP . Is anyone ****ing home???

Ok now lets talk about this bull**** statement: It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

Just about every single word in this sentence is bull****. I even highlighted the words for you so you can go back and review. Don't hurt yourself. I know its hard. Again where the **** are you seeing this? Do you take naps between each post you read and just forget about everything you read? First off Kaan is not a "noob". He has experience in this stuff. It is his laptop after all. He may not know as much as Dreamonic but he know more than you from what I can gather. 2nd how do you know that this is untested and dangerous? Are you Dreamonic's stalker? Do you know if he tests his **** or not? I certainly hope know because than I would have to call the cops on your ass. Oh and once again Dreamonic never said their was no risk. And if you are so stupid that you think there is no risk than you shouldn't have a laptop. You should be in teh corner coloring because you are catering on stupid.



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hmscott
02-22-2014, 04:46 AM
First off I want to start off by saying that I have read every post in this thread and I have found with every single post you have made you are making yourself sound more and more like a blubbering idiot? Seriously do you even read their full responses before you pull the words out of your ass and string them together into a massive turd you call a "Response"?

Let me just say that Dreamonic knows exactly what he is talking about. He knows his **** more than anybody that I know. And this isn't coming from some random guy that asks him to unlock his vbios because he is a noob at electronics in general. I know my **** as well. And from reading your posts it sound like you may have a decent grasp at electronics I'll give you that. But it sounds like you don't know **** about reading. Because if you could read then Kaan and Dreamonic would not need to explain themselves multiple times before you get your head out of your ass to use your "brain".

Anybody that says that unlocking your vBIOS or modding it is unsafe and should not be done is either simply uneducated or misinformed (which is understandable and excusable to some extent), or is just ****ing stupid. That is like saying using a knife is unsafe and you should never use one. Using a knife the PROPER way is fine. It has many benefits like cutting **** when cooking. But if used improperly you could cut off a finger. Same goes with vBIOS modding. It has great potential if used correctly.

Ok lets start with this bull**** statement you made: "I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting.You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.".

Please show me where he is promising Kaan "Benefits you don't know you can get". I would love to see that. If you can pull that proof out of your ass just like with every other post that you have made I will take everything back i have said thus far. He isn't stating "Hey guys everybody do what I am doing because there are no risks involved". The day Dreamonic says that will be the day a monkey climbs out of my ass. Dreamonic is not an idiot OK. Also who are you too say he isn't allowed to go on a pubic HELP FORUM to get HELP you ****head. Its a HELP forum for a reason. He isn't posting a Guide onthis **** ****nut. He is asking for HELP . Is anyone ****ing home???

Ok now lets talk about this bull**** statement: It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

Just about every single word in this sentence is bull****. I even highlighted the words for you so you can go back and review. Don't hurt yourself. I know its hard. Again where the **** are you seeing this? Do you take naps between each post you read and just forget about everything you read? First off Kaan is not a "noob". He has experience in this stuff. It is his laptop after all. He may not know as much as Dreamonic but he know more than you from what I can gather. 2nd how do you know that this is untested and dangerous? Are you Dreamonic's stalker? Do you know if he tests his **** or not? I certainly hope know because than I would have to call the cops on your ass. Oh and once again Dreamonic never said their was no risk. And if you are so stupid that you think there is no risk than you shouldn't have a laptop. You should be in teh corner coloring because you are catering on stupid.

Sandman007, you are the one mixing up the responses - to whom each statement applies. I respond to each persons quoted text, and don't mix between posts. The "noob "and "untested" stuff response was to Dreamonic.

If it is tested stuff, then why isn't it working? Why is Dreamonic asking people to install a vbios that isn't working as intended?, and if Dreamonic hasn't found a fix to the problem yet and is still searching for a fix, then it isn't working as intended, and is known to not work, the benefit isn't achieved so why ask people to install it?

I call incomplete still in the development stage software "untested" in that it doesn't pass the final test of doing what it is supposed to do. If it passes testing as being complete and delivering the service or benefit promised, then it is complete and "tested".

Pretty simple really. If it doesn't do what it is supposed to do, it isn't ready for release.

When the result is a reliable result that doesn't throttle when put to it's intended use, then it is ready for release, until then it is untested.

If Dreamonic says that he gets 100% speed up, 60 fps after vbios flashing on a 670 vs 30fps before, it is irrelevant and misleading - and doesn't indicate potential performance on a G750 765m, 770m, or a 785m - not even close in comparison - until he does it.

Until then it leads gullible people into believing they can achieve the same result when they hear of the 670 performance boost - that is why he says it - to encourage people to load his incomplete untested vbios flash onto their laptops - and they are taking the financial risk - it will be their loss if something goes wrong, not his.

If Dreamonic wants to buy a G750 and take all the risk of developing a successful vbios for the G750 765m, 770m, or 785m, then let him do it himself, like he did for his 670. That would be cool, I would respect that.

Otherwise, he is playing with other peoples money, and letting them take the risks.

Sandman007
02-22-2014, 05:00 AM
hmscott you are the one who is making up random ****. Dreamonic never said he is realeasing anything. He is simply helping one individual. You say you are a "Hardware and software optimization expert." You must be a pretty ****ty one at that. Because anyone in the computer field knows that **** requires testing numnuts. That is what Dreamonic is doing. He is testing and troubleshooting. NOT releasing. Oh and just so its clear to you, Dreamomic is not just handing Khaan vBIOS's to try out. He is helping Khaan one on one with this ****. Not just randomly handing him vBIOS's. He does this with every person he has helped including me. He has the specific person he is helping to dump their specific stock vBIOS off of their system. So he isn't just handing out one modded vBIOS for everybody.

Sandman007
02-22-2014, 05:12 AM
Pretty simple really. If it doesn't do what it is supposed to do, it isn't ready for release.

When the result is a reliable result that doesn't throttle when put to it's intended use, then it is ready for release, until then it is untested.

If Dreamonic says that he gets 100% speed up, 60 fps after vbios flashing on a 670 vs 30fps before, it is irrelevant and misleading - and doesn't indicate potential performance on a G750 765m, 770m, or a 785m - not even close in comparison - until he does it.

Until then it leads gullible people into believing they can achieve the same result when they hear of the 670 performance boost - that is why he says it - to encourage people to load his incomplete untested vbios flash onto their laptops - and they are taking the financial risk - it will be their loss if something goes wrong, not his.

If Dreamonic wants to buy a G750 and take all the risk of developing a successful vbios for the G750 765m, 770m, or 785m, then let him do it himself, like he did for his 670. That would be cool, I would respect that.

Otherwise, he is playing with other peoples money, and letting them take the risks.Thanks for stating your first 2 lines. We really needed that cleared up. We would be lost without you. Thank you for your contribution. I now know the definition of "untested".

Also thanks for letting us know who is responsible for messingup their laptop. We didn't know that either. Of course its not the modders fault retard. Its the flasher's fault because he is agreeing to do it (whether are not he knows the risks or not). And if he doesn't know the risks than again that is his fault. He should have educated himself. Oh there's that word again.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 05:13 AM
hmscott you are the one who is making up random ****. Dreamonic never said he is realeasing anything. He is simply helping one individual. You say you are a "Hardware and software optimization expert." You must be a pretty ****ty one at that. Because anyone in the computer field knows that **** requires testing numnuts. That is what Dreamonic is doing. He is testing and troubleshooting. NOT releasing. Oh and just so its clear to you, Dreamomic is not just handing Khaan vBIOS's to try out. He is helping Khaan one on one with this ****. Not just randomly handing him vBIOS's. He does this with every person he has helped including me. He has the specific person he is helping to dump their specific stock vBIOS off of their system. So he isn't just handing out one modded vBIOS for everybody.

If you are happy letting Dreamonic play with your laptop, that is fine. Why is the discussion coming on to the public boards if it is one on one?

Why am I responding to a thread about unexpected video performance throttling with no mention of a vbios mod in play? kingkaan said OC and unlocked slider, not vbios flash.

And why is kingkaan posting in a thread started by YesNoYes who appears to be posting about the problem I responded to - a stock video card issue with overclocking?

The vbios glitches should be a separate thread, not interspersed with stock video card questions like YesNoYes - my original first post answer was correct for him - and he started the thread.

I responded to the responses to my first valid post. I didn't come gunning for the vbios modders - I usually don't post in those threads as I am not interested in participating.

This time the vbios modders posted in a normal OEM video card thread, and went postal on my response to the original thread starter :)

Perhaps you guys can take the vbios issues private, or to another thread and not poach someone's thread?

Sorry YesNoYes, please check out my original post, and ignore the rest, I hope it helps.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 05:19 AM
Thanks for stating your first 2 lines. We really needed that cleared up. We would be lost without you. Thank you for your contribution. I now know the definition of "untested".

Also thanks for letting us know who is responsible for messingup their laptop. We didn't know that either. Of course its not the modders fault retard. Its the flasher's fault because he is agreeing to do it (whether are not he knows the risks or not). And if he doesn't know the risks than again that is his fault. He should have educated himself. Oh there's that word again.

No, it is the modders fault. He is responsible for releasing something that he encourages others to install. He is responsible. The flasher is the victim when it all goes wrong. You are dreaming if you think you aren't responsible for screwing up someones laptop -that it is their fault for doing it to themselves.

See, that is why I say it isn't worth doing this, as the people that release this stuff don't feel responsible, they say that the flasher is the one taking the responsibility, and it is their fault when it goes bad.

They won't take responsibility for their work, and blame you when it goes wrong, do you really want help from such a person?

Dreamonic
02-22-2014, 05:24 AM
Sandman007, you are the one mixing up the responses - to whom each statement applies. I respond to each persons quoted text, and don't mix between posts. The "noob "and "untested" stuff response was to Dreamonic.

If it is tested stuff, then why isn't it working? Why is Dreamonic asking people to install a vbios that isn't working as intended?, and if Dreamonic hasn't found a fix to the problem yet and is still searching for a fix, then it isn't working as intended, and is known to not work, the benefit isn't achieved so why ask people to install it?

I call incomplete still in the development stage software "untested" in that it doesn't pass the final test of doing what it is supposed to do. If it passes testing as being complete and delivering the service or benefit promised, then it is complete and "tested".

Pretty simple really. If it doesn't do what it is supposed to do, it isn't ready for release.

When the result is a reliable result that doesn't throttle when put to it's intended use, then it is ready for release, until then it is untested.

If Dreamonic says that he gets 100% speed up, 60 fps after vbios flashing on a 670 vs 30fps before, it is irrelevant and misleading - and doesn't indicate potential performance on a G750 765m, 770m, or a 785m - not even close in comparison - until he does it.

Until then it leads gullible people into believing they can achieve the same result when they hear of the 670 performance boost - that is why he says it - to encourage people to load his incomplete untested vbios flash onto their laptops - and they are taking the financial risk - it will be their loss if something goes wrong, not his.

If Dreamonic wants to buy a G750 and take all the risk of developing a successful vbios for the G750 765m, 770m, or 785m, then let him do it himself, like he did for his 670. That would be cool, I would respect that.

Otherwise, he is playing with other peoples money, and letting them take the risks.


*shakes head* ..hmscott, I finally see what you missed...

I already have done all the modding on Kaan's laptop ALREADY. My post was about my findings with the 765M during the testing we did. I worked 1 on 1 with him the entire time. It's how everyone does this! I simply made a post about what we found and you spit all over it like I'm providing a vBIOS to the public.... get your facts straight junkie.

I have not even said anything about releasing this vBIOS to anyone... you obviously are misinterpreting everything I had said in my original post. My post was informing the members here, what we found during our testing. How can you not comprehend that? It's black and white yet you have to make it all shades of grey for some reason.


I always leave it up to the individual and tell them the risks before hand. Simply testing with Kaan's machine was his choice and my post was about our findings with the 'throttling' issue. Regarding the appropriate place to have posted this in, it may not have been. So we can agree there.

What I want from you is an apology for accusing me of saying things I never said. You're misunderstanding of what I originally said created this mess.

Next time a new thread will be used. You best stay out of it.

Sandman007
02-22-2014, 05:29 AM
No, it is the modders fault. He is responsible for releasing something that he encourages others to install. He is responsible. The flasher is the victim when it all goes wrong. You are dreaming if you think you aren't responsible for screwing up someones laptop -that it is their fault for doing it to themselves.

See, that is why I say it isn't worth doing this, as the people that release this stuff don't feel responsible, they say that the flasher is the one taking the responsibility, and it is their fault when it goes bad.

They won't take responsibility for their work, and blame you when it goes wrong, do you really want help from such a person?You are an idiot if you truely believe that. Its the same concept with custom ROMs with cell phones. A creator of a custom ROM like Cyanogenmod release these custom ROMs for the public to use. If you brick your phone flashing one of their ROM;s its not their fault. Its your fault only. If you go to a custom ROM developer and say that they bricked your phone they will laugh at you. It doesn't matter if its tested or not. That is completely irrelevant.

hmscott
02-22-2014, 05:44 AM
You are an idiot if you truely believe that. Its the same concept with custom ROMs with cell phones. A creator of a custom ROM like Cyanogenmod release these custom ROMs for the public to use. If you brick your phone flashing one of their ROM;s its not their fault. Its your fault only. If you go to a custom ROM developer and say that they bricked your phone they will laugh at you. It doesn't matter if its tested or not. That is completely irrelevant.

Just cause you are frustrated with something someone says, it doesn't make them an idiot, and name calling is a sign that perhaps you need to calm down in between posts. :)

That is a good example, doing a custom Phone ROM - and in that case it is much less dangerous, as the phone manufacturer uses the Android OS development toolkit to flash ROMS too, so you both are using the same mechanism to put on new software - and the recovery options are known - and there are lots of people supporting environments built around those low level tools to make it easier to manage multiple ROM's and recovery. And, lots of public forums dedicated to supporting those specific tasks - like flashing ROM's - rooting - etc.

And, the phone is replaceable by driving down to the local store and either buy another one, or get help re-flashing to stock - even Sony will help you do that for their phones in their stores.

It is cool watching technology work it's way into the culture and be absorbed by people you would never expect to respond to it, or company's that would never before have helped customers re-flash/re-purpose their products.

But, if you brick your laptop you likely need to return it to the manufacturer, and they can rightly void your warranty. Which means you either pay a lot to get it fixed, or you don't get it fixed and have to purchase a new laptop - which is a lot more expensive than a phone.

Thanks for continuing to illustrate the picture I was trying to paint of the dangers of flashing the vbios by bringing in motherboard BIOS's and now Phone ROM's.

Everyone knows someone that bricked a phone, or bricked a motherboard, but for most people it is rare to know someone that bricked their video card...

hmscott
02-22-2014, 05:51 AM
*shakes head* ..hmscott, I finally see what you missed...

I already have done all the modding on Kaan's laptop ALREADY. My post was about my findings with the 765M during the testing we did. I worked 1 on 1 with him the entire time. It's how everyone does this! I simply made a post about what we found and you spit all over it like I'm providing a vBIOS to the public.... get your facts straight junkie.

I have not even said anything about releasing this vBIOS to anyone... you obviously are misinterpreting everything I had said in my original post. My post was informing the members here, what we found during our testing. How can you not comprehend that? It's black and white yet you have to make it all shades of grey for some reason.


I always leave it up to the individual and tell them the risks before hand. Simply testing with Kaan's machine was his choice and my post was about our findings with the 'throttling' issue. Regarding the appropriate place to have posted this in, it may not have been. So we can agree there.

What I want from you is an apology for accusing me of saying things I never said. You're misunderstanding of what I originally said created this mess.

Next time a new thread will be used. You best stay out of it.

You keep assuming I missed something, I haven't missed anything.

The only thing that was missed was KingKaan hijacking someone's thread and responding to my post to the original thread starter and kingkaan assuming I was responding to him. Everyone else in the thread before kingkaan's post was responding to YesNoYes's original problem, as was I.

Like I said, I don't participate in vbios modder threads, so you need not worry that I will open up the same can of worms there.

Have a nice day :)

Sandman007
02-22-2014, 06:00 AM
Ok first off. You are wrong about carriers helping customers reflash stock on their phones. First off anyoine that knows how to flash a custom ROM on their phone knows how to flash a stock ROM back on their phone using a utility like RSD Lite or Odin. Second no carrier is going to help you if you soft brickor hard brick your phone by flashing a custom recovery liek TWRP or a custom ROM/kernel. They are not gonna say "Oh yea come right on down! We willcompletely ignore the fact that modify the software on your device viods our warranty. We wil ljust fix for you.

That will never happen. They will tell you to **** off. Also you are wrong about bricking phones being common. Its very rare to see a bricked phone. Soft bricks are very common. They can be any where from being stuck in a bootloop which is fixed bya data wipe or a ROM reflash. Or a soft brick could require using Odin to reflash stock OEM firmware. But a full brick (very rare) is also recoverable. As long as you have the tools. for example a corrupt bootloader or kernel can result a full on brick or paper weight and can still be recovered with tools on the internet released to the public. Phone specific and tehy are not avalable for every device but they are out there

You should really stop posting about stuff you know nothing about. I'm done here

itsgreekpete
02-22-2014, 05:45 PM
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents in here. Thank to Dreamonic my G75vw had it's stock 660m overlock to 1380 on the core and 3000 on the mem, STABLE. All with modded vBios done over the course of a few days, taken step by step and carefully done, as I'm sure is his process with everyone else he has helped here. There are those of us who bought these laptops and not so happy with their performance and wanted a gain. He helped us get that gain. He also helped me with the process of replacing my 660m, to a 670mx and overclocking this card to 1171/2300. vBios mods when done under expertise are not dangerous. hmscott you would be better off butting out of threads when you have nothing useful to add to the conversation. What these fella's were looking for is someone who could help them with their predicament. A way to stop the throttling caused when overclocking the card, whether on a STOCK vbios or a MODDED vbios. They are getting the same result when voltage is increased. Clearly you had nothing to chime in pertaining the matter. See yourself out of this thread now so that maybe those that do have something to add, can do so without your hindrance. They did not ask for someone to post their opinion on whether vBios flashing is something to be done or not done. They want to know what to do to get the flash done, and stable.

noone
02-23-2014, 12:14 AM
I've read useful info from all of you but this is why forums get bad reputations (no info, just arguing).

close this and let it die, this thread is no longer a source of information, so don't post in it.