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nikosa43
10-04-2013, 02:05 PM
Team :ROG United

--- csimon & nikosa43 ---

InteL

Super Pi (4M) : 38.640
wPrime 1024 : 154.828
ROG RealBench : 790

Bonus Bench Cine : 15.68 (5.98 + 9.70) at (3445.5 Mhz + 4697.7 Mhz) = 8143.2 Mhz
Bonus Bench PiFast : 15.05
Bonus results (Free Runs) without cap :
SuperPi (4M) : 33.954
wPrime 1024 : 140.89
ROG RealBench : 843
PiFast : 13.16

CPU & Frequency : InteL 3770k / 4700Mhz

Weekly submissions 1to 4 YES to all.

Last submitted result screen (Week 4): http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?38138-ROG-United&p=329797&viewfull=1#post329797 Post: 169
Cinebench Combined Run submission: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?38138-ROG-United&p=322304&viewfull=1#post322304 Post: 60
Pi Fast submission screen: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?38138-ROG-United&p=326762&viewfull=1#post326762 Post: 136
Bonus results (Free Runs - no cap) : http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?38138-ROG-United&p=330415&viewfull=1#post330415 Post : 188

csimon
10-04-2013, 02:52 PM
Reserved for csimon's AMD results.

Team: ROG United

--- csimon & nikosa43 ---

Reserved for csimon results:

AMD FX-8350 / 5000Mhz

Super Pi (4M) : 1m 20.152s

wPrime 1024 : 210.557s

ROG RealBench : 591

Cinebench: 5.98pts

PIfast: 27.43s

Arne Saknussemm
10-04-2013, 04:19 PM
May the force be with you guys :D

nikosa43!...the iron jediant! may it be with you two too :)

nikosa43
10-04-2013, 04:22 PM
lol, you are a natural talent Arne! You always make me laugh :D

Detleg
10-04-2013, 05:43 PM
Good luck guys, don't let Arne inside your head he likes to play psycho games :D

nikosa43
10-04-2013, 05:54 PM
Good luck guys, don't let Arne inside your head he likes to play psycho games :D Det, I try hard to keep him happy. He's famous for a kinda of Voodoo. I don't want any wishes about power interrupts and booby trapped water pumps :D

Arne Saknussemm
10-04-2013, 06:41 PM
Now, you know I wish you both nothing but the best of luck :D

27202

nikosa43
10-04-2013, 07:55 PM
Ouch!! Suddenly I felt a terrible headache. Got to go for a ride with my favorite car :D


27206

meankeys
10-04-2013, 09:38 PM
lol my fav car too.

Good luck guy's have fun

Detleg
10-04-2013, 09:48 PM
hahaha Nikosa, yours too? here is mine, just got it this week
27210

nikosa43
10-04-2013, 10:20 PM
lol, now we can start a new thread for the beast. It's not the best or the fastest car of the world but it's the best car for me. There is no other car with such lines and character. A true warrior. Good choice Det, enjoy :D

chrsplmr
10-04-2013, 10:37 PM
You [G]overnment [M]otors supporters .. lol .. Arne been beam'n 'Buy obama' for years .. to late, he is in your heads. lol
Next thing U know, U will be listed on the 'obamaCare Exchange' .. if ur not already ... ooooomy.

Jokes .. aside .. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet Rides. Kinda funny that so many are ROG'n the same car ... I'm stick'n to
my Metro til this whole obama thing blows over ... lol.c.

meankeys
10-05-2013, 01:22 AM
Good luck guy's have fun :)

nikosa43
10-05-2013, 11:40 PM
First submission


wPrime 1024: 158.249

27298


SuperPi 4M: 38.910

27299


RealBench: 778

27300

Rockford
10-05-2013, 11:45 PM
Thats some great numbers N.

nikosa43
10-06-2013, 12:03 AM
Thanks Paw, the truth is I got hungry with your delicious mushrooms, yummy :)

chrsplmr
10-06-2013, 12:41 AM
Nice .. well played goodSir.c.

nikosa43
10-06-2013, 01:38 AM
Thanks Chris, although the ones I like are the 3d. Graphics (and games) were always my favorite :)

meankeys
10-06-2013, 02:56 AM
Nice number Nik

HiVizMan
10-06-2013, 01:35 PM
Thanks Chris, although the ones I like are the 3d. Graphics (and games) were always my favorite :)

If you can master 2D benching and tweaking then your 3D will gain huge amounts. 2D is the core behind quality benching across all benchmarks.

nikosa43
10-06-2013, 08:13 PM
If you can master 2D benching and tweaking then your 3D will gain huge amounts. 2D is the core behind quality benching across all benchmarks.

If YOU say that, I am sure it is :). I was pointing, that it's more fun to watch the graphics. How shallow I am...:D

Rockford
10-06-2013, 08:24 PM
Jane Nash in latex stockings.....:rolleyes:

HiVizMan
10-06-2013, 08:24 PM
hahahaha 3D is the easy stuff for most folks and yes you are correct it looks better, more going on.

nikosa43
10-06-2013, 08:46 PM
Yeaap that's the point guys. .......And if there is also latex stockings (wowo kinky) :o. ..........YES!!!! we vote for that ;)

Rockford
10-06-2013, 09:01 PM
Nik, now if i delete that post of mine up there, you will stand out as a perv..;)

nikosa43
10-06-2013, 09:16 PM
You little sh##%&$@. J/k, mate, in my age don't have a prob to hide :D

Rockford
10-06-2013, 10:44 PM
Love you 2..........

csimon
10-07-2013, 02:52 AM
Sorry for the delay nikosa. I've been trying to resolve an issue I've been having with Fan Xpert. Upon boot the ethernet took aover a minute to make connection. This was working fine until I moved from a C5V to a C5V-Z and updated Fan Xpert from 1.99.41 to 1.01.14.

After some tinkering I discovered what works for me. I changed a service setting "AsusFanContorlService" startup type from "auotmatic" to "manual" and that did the trick for me. Now I can get on to benchmarks.

Rockford
10-07-2013, 03:28 AM
CS> yes, its the fan service that mess things up..

has happen to me also, and i had to scratch my head a couple of times..

Rock on..

ganji
10-07-2013, 04:32 AM
Nice Start folks!
Good luck n have fun :D Oh and very nice car's both.

nikosa43
10-07-2013, 04:46 AM
Love you 2.......... Love you 2...2 :D

nikosa43
10-07-2013, 04:48 AM
Nice Start folks!Good luck n have fun :D Oh and very nice car's both. Thanks mate, if we don't succeed with scores, at least we gona have a nice ride.

ganji
10-07-2013, 05:03 AM
Thanks mate, if we don't succeed with scores, at least we gona have a nice ride.

Thats it mate, Its win win :D

nikosa43
10-07-2013, 07:48 AM
Sorry for the delay nikosa. I've been trying to resolve an issue I've been having with Fan Xpert. Upon boot the ethernet took aover a minute to make connection. This was working fine until I moved from a C5V to a C5V-Z and updated Fan Xpert from 1.99.41 to 1.01.14.After some tinkering I discovered what works for me. I changed a service setting "AsusFanContorlService" startup type from "auotmatic" to "manual" and that did the trick for me. Now I can get on to benchmarks. Nice to see you On and rolling buddy :). We 'll figure out the problems. That's for sure. For the moment maybe you have to uninstall Ai completely and remove the services with the tool.

HiVizMan
10-07-2013, 08:49 AM
Love you 2...2 :D

Group hug time I can just feel it in my bones.

csimon
10-07-2013, 02:00 PM
Why is my realbench score so suck?

Zka17
10-07-2013, 02:32 PM
csimon, we could comment better on your scores if you would actually post the screenshots... :) Or you did and I just can not find them?

jpotlacek
10-07-2013, 02:34 PM
I see only cars :D btw Zka17 can you check The sLackers TeaM and tell some things hot to improve RB?

csimon
10-07-2013, 03:23 PM
csimon, we could comment better on your scores if you would actually post the screenshots... :) Or you did and I just can not find them? Nope not yet. I'll post ROG RealBench screenies tonight when I am home.

Zka17
10-07-2013, 04:20 PM
I see only cars :D btw Zka17 can you check The sLackers TeaM and tell some things hot to improve RB?

I haven't used any other tweaks than those already mentioned in the RB section of this Forum... :) I would suggest to read carefully those discussions first...

Then, I'm sure that during this Challenge we will have in detail discussions here too!

csimon
10-07-2013, 11:43 PM
27585
Here you go.

jpotlacek
10-07-2013, 11:49 PM
Can you plz put next to RB picture CPUz with Memory Cpu and motherboard tab open?
Then we can see how to improve scores etc etc. And in rules it says when posting pictures to have that 3 tabs open.
Cheers mate.

csimon
10-08-2013, 12:30 AM
27587

Here you go and thanks. Sorry for the CPU-Z corrupted screen cap ...it became borked somehow last year and I've never found a fix for that.

nikosa43
10-08-2013, 12:58 AM
Hi Simon. When you run a benchmark have the official desktop screen in the background, open the three tabs of CPUz and get a screen with everything on it, to be able to make a valid submission. From your settings everything looks ok. It's the tweaks you have to make to get higher scores. For CPUz you can download latest version. http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?35793-ROG-Realbench-Tweaks-amp-Tips&country=&status= here you can find everything to improve your scores.

Menthol
10-08-2013, 02:26 AM
How's it going nik

nikosa43
10-08-2013, 06:14 AM
How's it going nik Real tough my friend. This winter will be a very difficult one. These competitions keep me a bit happy. As I posted to main thread, we have to find a way for you to, slip in. Maybe Vizman can help. Now for the benches, I spend a couple of hours any night I can. The 4 mil is a tough one. Any instability in memory and you are off. The w1024 is way better in that domain but it's mostly frequency and quantity of cores that will give better results. Realbench is well known but with my calculations, the higher I maybe pull, will be about 790 if I am lucky.

nikosa43
10-08-2013, 06:49 AM
Csimon, I had a better look to your scores. Actually image editing and encoding are very good. You loose all your points from the multitasking one. Are you running Realbench from an HDD or an SSD? HDD will cut down your score by a good margin.

csimon
10-08-2013, 03:20 PM
Csimon, I had a better look to your scores. Actually image editing and encoding are very good. You loose all your points from the multitasking one. Are you running Realbench from an HDD or an SSD? HDD will cut down your score by a good margin.Ah ...I'm not certain but I'm almost positive I'm running from the HDD. And thanks for that link, I had no idea it existed.

csimon
10-08-2013, 05:10 PM
Much better in diagnostic mode.27618

HiVizMan
10-08-2013, 05:39 PM
Nice gains there mate.

Senior team mate please show your partner how to prepare a screenshot for the contest.

Oh one other thing, only use the Hwbot version of wprime please.

nikosa43
10-08-2013, 06:51 PM
Csimon read my post no 47 and see my submissions for valid results. You need to run only one benchmark, open three times CPUz, choose mainboard and memory TAB for the two of them and get a screen. After you can use paint to paste and save as a jpg. Without this format its not valid result. Also download wPrime1024 and any Pi (32 or 1) from here http://hwbot.org/benchmarks . You are doing very well mate, you just need fine tuning :)

csimon
10-08-2013, 10:00 PM
Csimon read my post no 47 and see my submissions for valid results. You need to run only one benchmark, open three times CPUz, choose mainboard and memory TAB for the two of them and get a screen. After you can use paint to paste and save as a jpg. Without this format its not valid result. Also download wPrime1024 and any Pi (32 or 1) from here http://hwbot.org/benchmarks . You are doing very well mate, you just need fine tuning :)

Thanks nikosa43. I've relocated Realbench to the SSD and that was the result you saw in my previous post. The other two benches I have dloaded from HWBot.org. Sorry for my noobness, but I've just realized that I can open more than one instance of CPU-Z.

nikosa43
10-08-2013, 10:14 PM
I am sure that by the end of this challenge, you will be an expert in lots of things :D

csimon
10-08-2013, 11:36 PM
I don't remember my first week scores that I edited, but here are some new and more "official" scores.
I'll post cinebench later.
27638
27639
27640

nikosa43
10-09-2013, 12:04 AM
Grats mate :D

HiVizMan
10-09-2013, 07:07 AM
Thanks csimon you now need to work on your Super PI screenshot.

Notice how this submission has the actual super PI run on screen.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27603&d=1381234886

csimon
10-09-2013, 10:40 AM
Will do. Meanwhile here is my Cinebench score.27662

Chino
10-09-2013, 02:33 PM
Just dropping in to remind all teams to keep their first and second post of this thread updated with their best results. And to avoid miscalculations and browsing through your threads to find the verification screenshots, please put a link to the screenshot in each of your results.

Thank you. And bench on, mate!

csimon
10-09-2013, 05:23 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, will do.

nikosa43
10-12-2013, 09:23 PM
Cinebench Combined Run :

AMD 5.98 (3445.5 Mhz) + INTEL 9.70 (4697.7 Mhz) = 15.68 (8143.2 Mhz)


AMD 5.98 (3445.5 Mhz)

27807


INTEL 9.70 (4697.7 Mhz)

27816

I am sorry for the big size of INTEL image. Somehow, I got an error trying to upload the jpeg one.

nikosa43
10-12-2013, 10:02 PM
Week 2 Results :


Super Pi (4M): 38.831

27818


wPrime 1024: 158.110

27819


ROG RealBench: 784

27820

Menthol
10-12-2013, 10:43 PM
Good work nikosa, you always get the most out of your CPU

Stübinator
10-12-2013, 10:45 PM
:o:cool:

nikosa43
10-12-2013, 10:56 PM
Good work nikosa, you always get the most out of your CPU

Thanks mate, I am still coughing from your burnout :D. Always nice to see your results

flexnl
10-13-2013, 11:47 AM
hey nikosa nice benchn :).... may i ask what OS you are usin? XP for spi?

nikosa43
10-13-2013, 01:06 PM
Flexy, until now all my benches are on win 8. I wanted to try its potentials. Now, I am going to switch to winxp to see the differences.

Menthol
10-13-2013, 01:38 PM
Win 8, that's kind of amazing, or seems to me, I get tired of that OS always trying to repair itself after a bsod, so far I have almost identical scores in wprime and pi on Win 7 and XP, don't figure

flexnl
10-13-2013, 04:20 PM
Flexy, until now all my benches are on win 8. I wanted to try its potentials. Now, I am going to switch to winxp to see the differences.

ah ok so thats not it... i might do all over with my 3770k then, cause 4400mhz 4 hasswell is just to low i think :)

flexnl
10-13-2013, 04:20 PM
Win 8, that's kind of amazing, or seems to me, I get tired of that OS always trying to repair itself after a bsod, so far I have almost identical scores in wprime and pi on Win 7 and XP, don't figure
same here menthol...i have sometimes faster times in win7 then in winxp

nikosa43
10-13-2013, 06:02 PM
Guys, for Win 8, I did a full installation, made all the updates and activation online. After that, I switched to a local account. Then I disabled from BIOS fast boot and anything has to do with UEFI (installation done with MBR way, not UEFI). Then disabled hybrid something (Nodens has given advice for that, for not having a corrupted OS loaded to your next boot, after a failure). I adjusted all power schemes to performance. Disabled Security Center, firewall, Defender, indexing, UAC. Uninstalled all metro applications. Then I made an image with Acronis. So if anything happens, after 10 minutes I get a fresh installation. For Pi and wprime I switch to diagnostic mode so no devices and services run in the background (usually they are about 18 and some of them can be switched off). So, all my benches are with 8 until now. I am definetely going to try old trusty XP to see if there are any differences. Until now I have good experience from 8. It's smooth and even with all the features for fast boot disabled, is very fast in startup and shut down. Start is not missing as a button, actually start with programs Is a hole page now, which is much easier to see things. But I have the impression that is more sensitive to corruption and I don't know how it will react after a bunch of programs installed for every day use (cluttered?). Next project is to prepare a light edition ready to install, with only essentials in.

nikosa43
10-13-2013, 06:15 PM
ah ok so thats not it... i might do all over with my 3770k then, cause 4400mhz 4 hasswell is just to low i think :) I don't think that you will see much of a gain. The cap between IVY and Haswell bring the chips to almost identical potentials. In cinebench we have the same score. Maybe you will see some improvement in Pi, because of the higher clock. I would stick to Haswell to check it's potentials. You can't beat any of the 6/12 cores with that cap :)

nikosa43
10-19-2013, 07:52 PM
I had some good progress in RB and wPrime but Pi continues to give crappy results in winxp32.

Third week submission for the moment and will see if I this weekend can do anything better about Pi.

SuperPi (4M) : 38.734

28221


wPrime 1024 : 154.860

28222


ROG RealBench : 789

28223

Arne Saknussemm
10-19-2013, 07:57 PM
Nice nikosa43! I wonder if we get a 3d benchmark for you to let loose that 780 you got....it arrived too late for the sizzler as I remember...

nikosa43
10-19-2013, 08:10 PM
lol, yes indeed came late but not too late. I didnt have time to even know how to overclock it and still remember that last night.... good memories Arne :rolleyes:

HiVizMan
10-19-2013, 08:17 PM
The bonus bench is now up.

csimon
10-19-2013, 11:57 PM
The bonus bench is now up.

Thanks for the update. See bonus bench and a few updates for this week below.

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 02:02 AM
Grats buddy. You are playing almost 5Ghz and with very nice numbers. Keep pushing. You are doing really well :cool:

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 02:05 AM
Submission for Bonus Bench week 3

Pi Fast : 15.08

28245

chrsplmr
10-20-2013, 02:11 AM
Sweet ...

flexnl
10-20-2013, 06:27 AM
I don't think that you will see much of a gain. The cap between IVY and Haswell bring the chips to almost identical potentials. In cinebench we have the same score. Maybe you will see some improvement in Pi, because of the higher clock. I would stick to Haswell to check it's potentials. You can't beat any of the 6/12 cores with that cap :)
i had better times and better rb but then my board died and had to rma it :P
so stickin to hothassy

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 08:06 AM
i had better times and better rb but then my board died and had to rma it :Pso stickin to hothassy You mean Max V Gene died? I am sorry to hear that my friend. I hate H/W problems, even all of my day is dealing with H/W problems. The other day I had a sudden death of my Smartphone. Couldn't boot and was stuck at the LG logo. By the end of the day and after I had it in pieces and little cards in front of me I managed to repair it and make it fully functional with ...a hair dryer. No, it wasn't moisture the problem :D.

Henkenator68NL
10-20-2013, 08:59 AM
Nice scores you posted guys!!!

Arne Saknussemm
10-20-2013, 09:03 AM
lol, yes indeed came late but not too late. I didnt have time to even know how to overclock it and still remember that last night.... good memories Arne :rolleyes:

OH yeah that's right! came in right under the wire! But now you've had more time with it I'm sure you'd have it opening wormholes or something....

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 10:40 AM
To tell the truth I was playing Batman Arkham City and Borderlands 2 :D, so not benching at all :P

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 10:42 AM
Nice scores you posted guys!!! Thanks Henk, always nice to see the whole Dutch team together :)

HiVizMan
10-20-2013, 10:49 AM
Think we need to have a ROG Borderlands game some time soon. I play too. A Autumn Folly game so to speak.

csimon
10-20-2013, 11:03 AM
Grats buddy. You are playing almost 5Ghz and with very nice numbers. Keep pushing. You are doing really well :cool:

Thanks nikos, although, I beginning feel an intel build on the horizon later this year.

Arne Saknussemm
10-20-2013, 12:05 PM
Submission for Bonus Bench week 3 Pi Fast : 15.08

Very nice nikos!

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 01:13 PM
Think we need to have a ROG Borderlands game some time soon. I play too. A Autumn Folly game so to speak. lol Vizman you can use me as a sitting duck :D. I am almost useless but I like the whole concept of the game :D

HiVizMan
10-20-2013, 01:16 PM
Oh I think not. I suspect I take crap at gaming to a whole new level.

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 01:17 PM
Thanks nikos, although, I beginning feel an intel build on the horizon later this year. Intel is good, but lots of people are feeling disappointment of the overclocking capabilities of the new silicons :)

HiVizMan
10-20-2013, 01:23 PM
Overclocking on ambient is not the same with the newer CPUs that is true. Go sub zero and it is a different story.

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 01:26 PM
Very nice nikos! Thanks Arne ! Yours is a killer :). I think has similar settings as Spi and until now with winxp I have my worst scores there, while I have my best wprime. I don't know what I miss and I can't drop spi under 39 secs. I tried winxp64 with better spi and freaky awful wprime. Is yours with winxp or something else? Also I wanted to ask Vizman what will be a top score with my IVY in Pifast at that clock. At least to now what the ceiling could be. When he says that this benchmark balances all the caps, I am expecting to hear something lower than 15 secs.

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 01:31 PM
Ah .... Subzero echoes so exotic to my ears Viz :D I can only imagine the excitement of discovering a whole new world with totally different settings and behaviors :)

HiVizMan
10-20-2013, 01:36 PM
Ivy @ 4700 14.800 secs
SB-E@ 4900 14.900 secs

Arne Saknussemm
10-20-2013, 01:39 PM
All my runs are on Windows 8 or 8.1 so far.....I have to try XP for SPi but my copy of stripped XP with AHCI doesn't seem to load so maybe I will try win 7....

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 05:23 PM
Thanks Viz, I wanted to see my win XP efficiency and now I see there is lots ahead. I have to search and see why my spi is better in win 8. @ Arne didn't try 8.1 are they good?

Arne Saknussemm
10-20-2013, 06:30 PM
Yes 8.1 is excellent...performance wise same so far as I can tell but one or two changes make it heaps better....Straight to desktop....start screen transparent to desktop...they just have to sort out the god awful colours and it'll be a worthy succesor to 7 :-)

Menthol
10-20-2013, 08:20 PM
The color that 8.1 boots up to the first time will make you fall over backwards

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 08:36 PM
lol, guys I can't wait to go for a new installation. If you say so, it will be an apocalypse :). So, I get win 8.1 as an update like others or I have to go to Microsoft site and download something like an upgrade?

Menthol
10-20-2013, 08:38 PM
If you have a legal activated copy of 8 you can upgrade thru the app store

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 08:40 PM
Thanks Menthol, I hope it's under Free Apps :D

HiVizMan
10-20-2013, 08:56 PM
It is really easy to update your system. I have just done all the machines at home over the weekend and no problems at all.

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 10:02 PM
That's good because I got them in summer to check the efficiency but didn't install for every day use. To tell the truth, I think kids will like them more than 7, with the GUI and apps. So, now that 8.1 are out, I may go for the transition. One thing I noticed is that even with all Fast boot things disabled, they start and shut down extremely fast.

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 10:06 PM
Update in Pi Fast : 15.06

28312

nikosa43
10-20-2013, 10:15 PM
Guys Viz in his guide for Pi says XP LLC. I need subtitles :p What is this?

meankeys
10-20-2013, 11:54 PM
Nice scores Guy's

Nik same problem here with the xp 64

nikosa43
10-21-2013, 12:37 AM
Nice scores Guy's

Nik same problem here with the xp 64
Thanks mate. I guess you mean crappy results with wprime? Mine was awful. Didnt get a screen but I remember something higher than 168...or more :rolleyes:

HiVizMan
10-21-2013, 07:46 AM
How to manually optimize the memory usage
You can optimize your computer's memory usage to reflect your specific needs. If your computer is used as a workstation instead of as a server, you can increase performance by devoting more memory to your programs. Your programs will work faster and the system cache size will remain the default size that was included with Windows XP. Or, you can set aside more computer memory for a larger system cache if your computer is used primarily as a server, or if you use programs that require a large system cache.
Click Start, click Run, type sysdm.cpl in the Open box, and then press ENTER.
Click the Advanced tab, and then under Performance click Settings.
Click the Advanced tab, and then under Memory usage use one of the following methods:
Click Programs if you use your computer primarily as a workstation instead of as a server. This option allocates more memory to your programs.
Click System cache if your computer is used primarily as a server or if you use programs that use a large system cache.
Click OK to save preferences and close the dialog box.
Step 3: Manually change the visual effects

meankeys
10-21-2013, 09:14 AM
thanks for the tip Viz

will this hold true for win 7 as well?

HiVizMan
10-21-2013, 09:20 AM
Not needed in Win7 as it is set as default in that OS

nikosa43
10-21-2013, 10:30 AM
Thanks Vizman :) I have already tested step 2 and 3, but I had no idea about the command, step1. Also I had an idea that I have to check tonight. I hope I 'll see some difference ...

flexnl
10-21-2013, 12:48 PM
You mean Max V Gene died? I am sorry to hear that my friend. I hate H/W problems, even all of my day is dealing with H/W problems. The other day I had a sudden death of my Smartphone. Couldn't boot and was stuck at the LG logo. By the end of the day and after I had it in pieces and little cards in front of me I managed to repair it and make it fully functional with ...a hair dryer. No, it wasn't moisture the problem :D.
yeah one ramchannel died so i send it rma

flexnl
10-21-2013, 12:50 PM
Overclocking on ambient is not the same with the newer CPUs that is true. Go sub zero and it is a different story.
WILDO next week :D:D insulation comes in tomorrow :)

meankeys
10-21-2013, 02:26 PM
Thanks mate. I guess you mean crappy results with wprime? Mine was awful. Didnt get a screen but I remember something higher than 168...or more :rolleyes:

Yes exactly - But I will try what Viz man suggested about the memory. now Is there any advantage running with 1 stick of memory or is the dual channel the way to go.

HiVizMan
10-21-2013, 02:40 PM
Dual v single stick is a very interesting question simply because so little memory is actually used that I suspect a single stick will be able to clock way higher and maybe tighter too. Since this is a short benchmark it is easy to test. Do a dual channel run at say 2133MHz and then a single channel run at 2400MHz make note of the times then swap them round. Do a single at 2133 and the dual at 2400MHz see what happens.

Point I am making is that tips and tweaks are often unique to a set of hardware.

meankeys
10-21-2013, 03:05 PM
Dual v single stick is a very interesting question simply because so little memory is actually used that I suspect a single stick will be able to clock way higher and maybe tighter too. Since this is a short benchmark it is easy to test. Do a dual channel run at say 2133MHz and then a single channel run at 2400MHz make note of the times then swap them round. Do a single at 2133 and the dual at 2400MHz see what happens.

Point I am making is that tips and tweaks are often unique to a set of hardware.

Thanks Viz... I was going to try it for ****s and giggles any way. We are talking about 32 bit XP or try both XP and win 7
ty

HiVizMan
10-21-2013, 03:31 PM
Again it is hardware dependant. When we tested this benchmark for tweaks a while ago, we found that some hardware (CPU's) prefered to bench on XP, while others did better on Vista/Server/Win7

It really is what works best on your configuration at the given moment. I recall during one of the other challenges that I hosted here that some guys were getting better times on Win7 and others on XP pro.

meankeys
10-21-2013, 04:23 PM
Ok cool thanks

Ill try to do some testing tonight and post back with my results. Sorry team ROG United for crashing your thread :rolleyes:

nikosa43
10-21-2013, 04:24 PM
It's so many things and factors someone has to check. It's mind blowing. I just switched to win 7 to see what is going on with it. I use the same OC profile that I was using half hour ago with winxp. I can't finish a single run with spi without getting an error. Nothing changed, just the OS. Exact same H/W,same OC profile. That telling me, my OS is corrupted :(

nikosa43
10-21-2013, 04:27 PM
PiFast also with error. I am done with it, new installation.

Zka17
10-21-2013, 04:28 PM
My observations...

The SP and PiFast seemingly does not care about the OS (WinXP 32-bit or Win7 64-bit) - I would expect from SP to find a difference, but this is what I'm getting... maybe i didn't applied all the tweaks yet in XP...

wPrime shows a clear advance in XP - up to 0.5 sec

RRB does not run on 32-bit XP...

meankeys
10-21-2013, 04:56 PM
My observations...

The SP and PiFast seemingly does not care about the OS (WinXP 32-bit or Win7 64-bit) - I would expect from SP to find a difference, but this is what I'm getting... maybe i didn't applied all the tweaks yet in XP...

wPrime shows a clear advance in XP - up to 0.5 sec RRB does not run on 32-bit XP...


Z my findings as well - Wprime only

nikosa43
10-21-2013, 06:31 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys. Until now I checked Winxp, Winxp64, Win8, and Win7. Win7 is clearly corrupted so I can't make any suggestions. Winxp64 gave me the best Spi and awfull prime. RB do not run (says is not a valid 32 bit app). Winxp32 was the most stable OS, gave the best prime times but clearly I can see a barrier to spi and PiFast having tried all (to my knowledge tweaks). RB again is not running. Also, I can surely say that is the most stable because I run spi with almost 107 BCLK the highest ever done. Win8 is best for RB, gives average spi and prime but that was early tested and now I am doing a new installation to check Pifast too. It's promising but it's very heavy loaded and cluttered, needs lots of time to get in diet. Also seems very sensitive to corruption. Every time I get one, it reminds me of Menthol :D

meankeys
10-21-2013, 06:42 PM
Thanks for the info Nik. That will save me some time tonight. I will concentrate on win 7 and the single and dual channel thing Viz mentioned.

Little help. I got messed up on the timing of submissions. When are the 3rd week subs do by? Bonus bench by Friday right. ty

nikosa43
10-21-2013, 07:10 PM
Good luck with the sticks. I wish I had a more clear view about all OSes, so having my best results I could experiment with single and dual channel. If I do it now it's like shooting around without reference. If I could have all Op systems to same status and stable and test all tweaks. That's a job for a pro or a very lucky one :D

meankeys
10-21-2013, 11:55 PM
Good luck with the sticks. I wish I had a more clear view about all OSes, so having my best results I could experiment with single and dual channel. If I do it now it's like shooting around without reference. If I could have all Op systems to same status and stable and test all tweaks. That's a job for a pro or a very lucky one :D

Nik it was you that said to delete all the crap in the spi folder if it crashes right.... you did try that.

Menthol
10-22-2013, 12:43 AM
it's very heavy loaded and cluttered, needs lots of time to get in diet. Also seems very sensitive to corruption. Every time I get one, it reminds me of Menthol

That may be the first time I've been called fat and corrupted, wish I could deny at least one of those but sometimes the truth hurts

chrsplmr
10-22-2013, 01:01 AM
Fat on Success, Corrupted by Truth .. The World could be better with more like ya bro.c.

Menthol
10-22-2013, 01:39 AM
chrsplmr,
don't know about all that, but blessed with friends on these forums, absolutely

nikosa43
10-22-2013, 07:07 AM
it's very heavy loaded and cluttered, needs lots of time to get in diet. Also seems very sensitive to corruption. Every time I get one, it reminds me of Menthol That may be the first time I've been called fat and corrupted, wish I could deny at least one of those but sometimes the truth hurts Hahaha, Menthol you killed me :D. And not only that, but this came after I installed win 8.1and seen the "beautiful"desktops. Those tacky things reminded me of you, too :D

nikosa43
10-22-2013, 07:37 AM
Vizman, is it possible the exact same OC profile to work with Winxp and not with 7 or 8? Or it's some BIOS corruption that happened in between and give a false impression. If it's the second I have to load the winxp image and see if now appears to winxp too.

HiVizMan
10-22-2013, 07:54 AM
Thanks for the info Nik. That will save me some time tonight. I will concentrate on win 7 and the single and dual channel thing Viz mentioned.

Little help. I got messed up on the timing of submissions. When are the 3rd week subs do by? Bonus bench by Friday right. ty

The date and time of bonus bench is on the front page.


Good luck with the sticks. I wish I had a more clear view about all OSes, so having my best results I could experiment with single and dual channel. If I do it now it's like shooting around without reference. If I could have all Op systems to same status and stable and test all tweaks. That's a job for a pro or a very lucky one :D

I think I have said this before but on average for every one hour of actual benching there has been 18 hours of testing done. It is very very time consuming but if you want the results then you have to do it.


chrsplmr,
don't know about all that, but blessed with friends on these forums, absolutely

Amen to that.


Vizman, is it possible the exact same OC profile to work with Winxp and not with 7 or 8? Or it's some BIOS corruption that happened in between and give a false impression. If it's the second I have to load the winxp image and see if now appears to winxp too.

XP is more demanding to OC into than any other OS. If you are having issues with 7 or 8 you have changed the SATA mode for XP OC profile and forgotten to change to ACHI for Win7 and 8.

nikosa43
10-22-2013, 08:53 AM
Then is a BIOS corruption. My OC profile is the same. I don't change SATA mode. WinXP is installed in SSD with AHCI drivers installed for winXP. Each operating system is installed on the same SSD using it's own drivers for SATA in AHCI mode. I leave BIOS settings the same. I just switch images with Acronis.

HiVizMan
10-22-2013, 09:18 AM
Yes that is very possible if you have been on the edge of memory clocking - it is easy to loose the bios

nikosa43
10-23-2013, 01:31 AM
Verified. It's the OS (win 7 and win8), giving me the headache. I load the winxp image, have no problem to run BCLKs up to 107. With the others is impossible. I have to search more about.

PiFast : 15.05

28448

I don't believe I can brake the 15 sec barrier.

meankeys
10-23-2013, 02:13 AM
My 15.08 was win 7. I did not try my xp setup.

Very nice score Nik - I too will have trouble braking 15.00

nikosa43
10-23-2013, 06:52 AM
My 15.08 was win 7. I did not try my xp setup.Very nice score Nik - I too will have trouble braking 15.00 You should try Winxp Mkeys. At least I have positively discover that can work with sPi, to more aggressive mem clocks without errors. Look at my timmings for mem. At those settings in 7 and 8 I get the errors as soon as I hit run :(

nikosa43
10-25-2013, 02:43 AM
SuperPi (4M) Update : 38.687

28579

chrsplmr
10-25-2013, 02:56 AM
chrsplmr,
don't know about all that, but blessed with friends on these forums, absolutely

As 'we' All are. A wonderful thing. Well said bro.c.

HiVizMan
10-25-2013, 11:59 AM
I am not expecting sup 15's at all.

nikosa43
10-25-2013, 12:44 PM
I am not expecting sup 15's at all. Oops Viz, I didn't understand you. You mean, you don't expect under 15 secs for IVY?

HiVizMan
10-25-2013, 01:45 PM
Oops Viz, I didn't understand you. You mean, you don't expect under 15 secs for IVY?

Not just from one particular CPU I think sub 15's is going to take some really great benching to achieve.


Lets just say I am challenging you all to prove the old man wrong.

nikosa43
10-25-2013, 02:23 PM
But already some, have gone under 15 secs. At what clock do you mean? I continue to try things, but with 4700 cap I don't think I can do it.

HiVizMan
10-25-2013, 02:50 PM
Talking about you :) and your CAP.

nikosa43
10-25-2013, 02:57 PM
lol, ok... I am going to poor some Zippoil in the mainboard while benching. Bench on fire :D

meankeys
10-25-2013, 04:32 PM
I am right there with ya Nik. Lets see if we can show the old man what we go :)

chrsplmr
10-25-2013, 05:11 PM
But already some, have gone under 15 secs. At what clock do you mean? I continue to try things, but with 4700 cap I don't think I can do it.
niko .. may I humbly suggest start with .. 'I can do this.' ? hhahaha .. u will be amazed.
After all this is not exactly walking on fire .. but then, that has already been done.c.

nikosa43
10-25-2013, 05:28 PM
Zippoil, is ready and ROG blacksmiths, forge the swords for the battle (clang - clang). The old wise king watch the bloodbath from the hill. After a while nikosa and Mkeys lying dead on the battlefield. They had just 15 secs to do their moves... But PiFast was too fast. R.I.P :D

csimon
10-26-2013, 03:15 AM
I was finally able to top my personal best on realbench, I just can't do it over 4800 @ 1.6v because of poor binning.

At any rate, I will work on pifast & wprime tomorrow.

Henkenator68NL
10-26-2013, 07:09 AM
Not just from one particular CPU I think sub 15's is going to take some really great benching to achieve. Lets just say I am challenging you all to prove the old man wrong.It took a lot off work but I got it at 14.89 sec.... http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?38717-Autumn-Follies-Team-Grapevine&p=328313&viewfull=1#post328313

nikosa43
10-26-2013, 07:40 AM
Grats Henk :) it's a very good score but I don't think is doable for IVY. I 'll have a chance to retest (if I have time) with a new OS (kindly offered by the IT dept of my company).

HiVizMan
10-26-2013, 09:19 AM
I ran pifast in Win8.1 last night and did a 14.90 with a sandy bridge 2600K on my day to day desktop with skype and everything going on in the back ground. Super Pi and Wprime were right on the money too, so with tweaking would have been top of the quad cores. Only one I did not run was RB.

nikosa43
10-26-2013, 10:57 AM
lol, Viz I have no idea what is your magic wand but last night I was testing a fresh installation of win8.1for RB. I think it's the best OS to run it. So, I did some quick runs for Pifast and Spi. No tweaks more than real-time, services running in the back were about 32 with net disabled. Pifast was 15.09 and spi 39.03. Clock was 4.7G.

csimon
10-27-2013, 04:15 PM
A few more benches from last night.

Not setting the place on fire but I'm besting myself.

nikosa43
10-27-2013, 06:11 PM
Very nice, buddy :). Improvement is the thing we want. Now, if you can set fire too, it's most welcome. In RB said that you can't bench at 5Ghz. Is this happening because of high temps (high voltage), or because of instability ( error messages from gimp or 7z). You can try to loose your memory timmings and jump to cl10. That may help to avoid errors and that will help you reduce some of the CPU voltage and finally do a 5 G run.

csimon
10-27-2013, 09:14 PM
Very nice, buddy :). Improvement is the thing we want. Now, if you can set fire too, it's most welcome. In RB said that you can't bench at 5Ghz. Is this happening because of high temps (high voltage), or because of instability ( error messages from gimp or 7z). You can try to loose your memory timmings and jump to cl10. That may help to avoid errors and that will help you reduce some of the CPU voltage and finally do a 5 G run.
Errors are due to my poorly binned FX-8350 only reaches 1.48ghz stable @ 1.6v and mobo won't post beyond 1.6v. I got lucky a few times because of laxed timings and took it easy on the IMC as well. This chip will never do anything stable that most FX's will do. Temps are high beginning at 1.48ghz and reaching 70d+ on the socket during memtest86+. I'm still experimenting though.

Zka17
10-28-2013, 12:16 AM
csimon, do you have a pic of your system somewhere in the Forum? I would like to see the cooling solution you have...

Those voltages you mentioned above are crazy high... when I get so high with voltages, I use to make a step back - hit F5 and start over...

What is your ambient temp and what are CPU core and socket temps at default BIOS settings?

If you want to find out how high your CPU can go with your cooling setup, start from BIOS defaults, set Ai Overclock to Manual, FSB to 200 and start pushing the CPU ratio... for the start leave anything else on auto, including the Vcore too... keep one eye on your temps while doing this!

Usually (based on just couple of FX8350s) you won't have to touch the Vcore until reach 4.6-4.8MHZ... then start upping the Vcore too, only one or two notches at a time... 5GHz usually is achievable (again, it was for me) somewhere between 1.53-1.57V on Vcore...

At those Vcores you already have pretty good amount of heat produced... then if you start pushing the NB and memories too, you just get more heat - so cooling is the key element of OC'ing...

HiVizMan
10-28-2013, 12:19 AM
How do you get 70 on memtest86+ as the test runs in DOS mode?

Zka17
10-28-2013, 12:21 AM
How do you get 70 on memtest86+ as the test runs in DOS mode?

My suspicion is that his cooling is really inadequate... with those high voltages and poor cooling getting into the BIOS will heat up the system...

csimon
10-28-2013, 12:30 AM
How do you get 70 on memtest86+ as the test runs in DOS mode?
Memtest86+ 5.01 usb displays cpu temp while testing. Very sweet program version you should give it a try. You can also run smp mode right at startup by pressing F2 immediately.


My suspicion is that his cooling is really inadequate... with those high voltages and poor cooling getting into the BIOS will heat up the system...
http://icrontic.com/discussion/97533/merlin-sm8-watercooling-build#latest
Motherboard was replaced the day before benching began and I wasn't so familiar as I am now.
Ambient = 22C
Socket = 63C
Core = 57C
Water = 27C
Radiator fans are running at 80%.
Cooling is adequate for me.

Right now I am testing 4.8ghz @ 1.5875. Any fewer voltages at this frequency cause F@h to stop working. 4.7ghz needs 1.53125v & 4.6ghz needs 1.475v.

HiVizMan
10-28-2013, 12:36 AM
Zoltan I hear you but memtest does not stress the CPU at all.

csimon
10-28-2013, 12:39 AM
Pifast results aren't showing much progress.

csimon
10-28-2013, 12:41 AM
Zoltan I hear you but memtest does not stress the CPU at all.
I'm thinking that the IMC is heating during testing.

Zka17
10-28-2013, 12:54 AM
Memtest86+ 5.01 usb displays cpu temp while testing. Very sweet program version you should give it a try. You can also run smp mode right at startup by pressing F2 immediately.


http://icrontic.com/discussion/97533/merlin-sm8-watercooling-build#latest
Motherboard was replaced the day before benching began and I wasn't so familiar as I am now.
Ambient = 22C
Socket = 63C
Core = 57C
Water = 27C
Radiator fans are running at 80%.
Cooling is adequate for me.

Right now I am testing 4.8ghz @ 1.5875. Any fewer voltages at this frequency cause F@h to stop working. 4.7ghz needs 1.53125v & 4.6ghz needs 1.475v.

Csimon, your temps are way too high for a custom water loop!!! Are you sure that the CPU block is properly mounted?


Zoltan I hear you but memtest does not stress the CPU at all.

Yes, that's why I was asking about the BIOS default settings temps... and for the ambient...

If the temps shown in BIOS are high while default settings are applied, that means that the cooling is not working properly...

csimon
10-28-2013, 12:58 AM
Csimon, your temps are way too high for a custom water loop!!! Are you sure that the CPU block is properly mounted?
Yes, that's why I was asking about the BIOS default settings temps... and for the ambient...

So, if you set your system at 80% cooling with 22C ambient, 95% humidity, 1.48g, 1.5875v, and F@h full load you get lower temps?

Zka17
10-28-2013, 01:08 AM
Well, not sure what F@h is exactly meaning...

But let put it in this way... - right now I have a H100 on my FX8350 and it's not working perfectly, it is making an awful grinding noise... but with that 5GHz/1.56V on the Vcore during RRB results a core temp of max 67C... min (in idle) is below 40C...

Ambient temp is 20C, humidity 47-53%. I have two original Corsair fans and two Enermax Magmas on the H100's radiator (you can check the pics of my system in our Team's thread)...

The H100 is not a high performance cooler when it comes to water cooling... in fact it is at the level of Noctua NH-D14, a performant air-cooler... - so, from a custom loop I do expect much better temps... that's why I'm saying that something is wrong with your cooling...

Just found these from the time I first setup the CHVF-Z with the FX8350:

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?20047-The-Chronicle-of-My-TestBench&p=219642&viewfull=1#post219642

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?20047-The-Chronicle-of-My-TestBench&p=220474&viewfull=1#post220474

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?20047-The-Chronicle-of-My-TestBench&p=220572&viewfull=1#post220572

Oh, and one more thing... - while benchmarking, I always have all my fans running at their max...

csimon
10-28-2013, 01:28 AM
Here is 4.7g @ 1.536v full cpu & gpu Folding @ home (F@h). Folding @ home is a very brutal distributed computing program that pushes your cpu to the heat load limits. A lot like OCCT does.

Ambient temps @ 23C.
Rad fans @ 67%.
Socket @ 55C
Core @ 50C
Water @ 29C

No amount of cooling will make 5.0g stable at or less than 1.6v on this cpu. It's just the luck of the draw. I'd be willing to swap though, if you like!

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 01:13 AM
Week 4 results update

SuperPi (4M) : 38.640

28851

wPrime 1024 : 154.828

28852

ROG RealBench : 790

28853

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 01:25 AM
ROG RealBench : 825

28854

meankeys
10-29-2013, 01:42 AM
Nik... Very Nice Very Nice

I love that RB score 28855

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 01:55 AM
Thanks mate, with cap it was the best I could really squeeze. For uncapped runs that was in 5.0G. Tomorrow I will try higher but I don't think I can make a lot of things, because there is no time :)

meankeys
10-29-2013, 02:23 AM
I here ya nik

I will need the next two days to get my wk4 subs in. I wanted to post the bonus bench. then focus on wk4.
RB is giving me a heck of a time. I cant get past 780. Your using that Trident X memory right? what the serial #
I cant get my dimms to 2666 @ Cl9

Menthol
10-29-2013, 02:50 AM
nice benching nick, getting up there with Realbench, doesn't surprise me a bit

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 07:02 AM
nice benching nick, getting up there with Realbench, doesn't surprise me a bit Thanks Ment, actually last night was a hell for me. Viz surprised me. My delided 3770 needed new coolabs because I made the application one year ago. But with this cap I said ok, lets not risk it right now, I 'll do it after the challenge. But now with the free runs I had to run fast, so, last night I removed Noctua, lid, CPU and I had to clean up, lap, and reseat everything crossing fingers. Good thing is everything worked like charm and I discovered a TIM that can actually perfectly remove the old coollabs Ultra from the silicon of bare chips, make it shine like mirror :). Tonight I have to step up and do my runs. I am waiting for your runs :)

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 07:50 AM
I here ya nikI will need the next two days to get my wk4 subs in. I wanted to post the bonus bench. then focus on wk4.RB is giving me a heck of a time. I cant get past 780. Your using that Trident X memory right? what the serial #I cant get my dimms to 2666 @ Cl9 If your sticks are 2400 maybe they can't do 2666 cl9, mine are 2600 cl10. All depends of the IC inside. Flex have some nice 2400 ones. I'll get a photo later and post it. Try this: Set a CPU clock that is well known for stability. Load your XMP profile at 2600 and reboot. Change the frequency to 2666 and reboot. Check your DRAM voltage, set to 1.84, your VCCIO to 1.24, your VCCSA to 1.23. Go into Digi and set DRAM power to 130 and extreme. VCCIO that things enable. Reboot. Now go to DRAM settings and set only CAS to 9. Set Latency Boundary to 14 for having relaxed tertiary timmings. Scroll down on page. Read and wright additional swizzle to Enabled. Reboot. If you boot in windows, well done. Check with Spi32M the stability. If pass, reboot and reduce Latency Boundary to 12 to tight tertiary timmings and retest. The lowest you achieve the better. Now, if it doesn't boot what code it gives? If it is 55 your IMC can't do the cl9. If it is 23 your Sticks can't do the timmings. You can try and raise a bit the voltages. If you fall into a loop trying to boot, shut down, reboot, you are getting close. Usually after a small raise in voltages works. But don't overdo. I have never passed 1.87 with mine and 1.25 for both VCCIO, VCCSA. Maybe can go higher but I don't feel comfortable :)

meankeys
10-29-2013, 08:46 AM
Ok thanks Nik. (I didnt know there was a 2600 kit out there) Yes I get a lot of 55's and reboot loops. So I was close just did not have the procedure down and you just made some sense of it. Now that you turned my brain in to scrambled eggs tonight I will add ketchup - coffee and some locks and a bagel. lol

Thanks for the crutches. You da man Nik and dont care what others say about you. :rolleyes:

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 09:47 AM
lol, Mkeys, I thought l had a good name in the stteets, I guess, somehow not anymore.... Oops forgot to tell you. About the read and write additional swizzle to the bottom of the page, try both ways. One is better for OC, the other for stability. I don't remember which one is. I think Enable gives you more stability sacrificing OC.

solaufein_gr
10-29-2013, 10:34 AM
Good stuff nik, and nice runs.
Good info on the memory, too. i have some instablity with CL9 and i wondered how much volt those modules can handle. 1.87 seems a lot, or so i thought

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 10:51 AM
Good stuff nik, and nice runs.Good info on the memory, too. i have some instablity with CL9 and i wondered how much volt those modules can handle. 1.87 seems a lot, or so i thought Sometimes depend on the mainboard. If I set 1.85 and reboot I get 1.86. Usually I have them on 1.84 which gives about 1.85 - 1.86. Also is depending how aggressive you set the Memory power scheme. If I set extreme its always on the higher side.In general with ambients about 20 -25 they don't have problem around 1.85. I set once 1.90 but I don't feel ok that high. Maybe with good cooling. I think you have water on your sticks. You could try if you feel confident for tighter timmings and higher frequencies but sometimes doesn't mean you have better scores too. In general up to 1.85 I think is ok with them :)

csimon
10-29-2013, 10:58 AM
Very nice scores Nikos. I see Intel in my near future!

solaufein_gr
10-29-2013, 11:07 AM
No more memory blocks, i removed them. Got that same memory 2600cl10 trident :)
i usually have an spd tab open in cpu-z in submissions

Zka17
10-29-2013, 11:13 AM
Sola, your AMD is working with memories at 2600MHz/CL10?

solaufein_gr
10-29-2013, 04:37 PM
Yes Zka, is working,
also tried some runs with CL9 but i thought the memory and/or IMC couldn't handle it. Now i may reconsider as nikos said. maybe a bump at voltage will help a bit.

Zka17
10-29-2013, 04:56 PM
Oh, that's very strong! Everything above 2400MHz is very strong...

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 06:05 PM
It's a good strategy to see how high your memory can go :). I took the idea from the BIOS of Max V Formula. Usually I looked at Latency Boundary and the setting was in Auto. I had no idea what was the actual value and what represented. When I started to load some of the stored memory profiles, I noticed that Raw Mhz profile relaxed all the values and the Latency Boundary had the value of 14. It's a profile that someone can use to see how high memory frequency can go and IMC of course without paying attention to performance, coming usually with tight timmings. So, I started to reduce Latency and checked through Mem tweakit and a I realized that lots of the secondary and tertiary timmings became more tight. One think can do is to set this profile to help you boot. Then start tighten primary timmings to reach your goal. Then start tighten Latency Boundary to see how tight can go. I use the opposite way when I push frequency of CPU higher and see instability. If I can bench let's say at 5.0G with 2666 cl9 and see instability at 5.1G, before I go for cl10 I am starting to loose Latency boundary from 5 or 6 to 7 or 8. If that doesn't work I jump to cl10 and try to find out how tight I can go with Latency Boundary. Then you check with benching what suits you more. It's an easy way for non experts in memory like me, to set things with the mainboard assistance and not get lost in an endless mess of unknown parameters :D Also you can read Raja's guides for memory on the stickies of each mainboard series. He's the expert

nikosa43
10-29-2013, 06:09 PM
Very nice scores Nikos. I see Intel in my near future! Thank you buddy :D This challenge is good real testing and review for lots of chips to help you take a decision of what is best for you.

nikosa43
10-30-2013, 07:18 AM
Free Run Submission ;)

28927


SuperPi (4M) : 33.954

28928


wPrime 1024 : 140.89

28929


ROG RealBench : 843

28930


PiFast : 13.16

28931

The most fun was benching at 5400. That was for the very first time in my life. I booted at 5500 lots of times and I have counted every possible BSOD, in Microsoft's library :D. I have also discovered that in Maximus V Formula the top Vcore is 1.70 Volts. I was stuck, because I needed to go higher to avoid BSODs for 5500MHz. After a while I discovered that I had to enable Extreme OC. Then I could go up to 1.95 Volts and I can imagine this limit extends higher if LN2 is enable. I didn't have time to explore everything nor to do every possible tweaking but I enjoyed it a lot (In May Madness with memory to 2400 cl10, I was under 140 secs but doesn't matter). I booted into winXP having set 1.72 Volts in BIOS but in 5.5GHz there was instability to memory that needed lots of time to explore and fine tweak. So I decided to give up, because I had to go through 3-4 different OSes. Have fun Guys. I guess that's my last result submission :cool:

meankeys
10-30-2013, 08:44 AM
Nik....

You da man buddy. You really worked hard @ this comp. and the results are shown in your scores. Between you and Z are definitely the MVP'S of the Autumn Folly 2013

On another note I worked with the memory timing advice you gave us. I did not have much luck with RB last night. I could not even simulate my 780 I posted earlier in the comp. I must be over looking something. I will be trying again tonight fingers crossed I will be posting a 780+

ganji
10-30-2013, 09:04 AM
Very nice scores Nikosa, Good job mate :D

Dartmaul
10-30-2013, 12:10 PM
Sweet Mother of Mercy, you scare me with vcore used.
Mad freq, mad scores. I need to set up my pot as soon as possible, these scores makes me feel.... slow. Yest, that's the word.

Outstanding job Nik.

About mem, You wouldn't get 2600cl8 on Samsung ICs, you need PSC or BBSE for that.
But as I know, samsung allows some 2nd timings to be much thinner, so you may win some there.

solaufein_gr
10-30-2013, 01:20 PM
Amazing stuff.
That was a very good o/c Niko. And no fear of voltage either! Way to go!

HiVizMan
10-30-2013, 01:24 PM
Dude you are insane and I can so relate. Amazing CPU you have by the way.

nikosa43
10-30-2013, 03:31 PM
Thank you all guys! I hope you liked the Free Run Logo :D. I really enjoyed that, mostly because of the unexplored side of the thing. I wish I had a waterloop, a real bench and so on. I hope my CPU enjoyed it too, because during other hours, processes Friv.com games for the kids :D. Viz thanks for all, you are the Dungeon Master of the domain. If you, this site and these people here, weren't the way they are, I wouldn't ever have the motivation to try anything. As Mkeys says, you da man. ROGrrrr. :D

Dartmaul
10-30-2013, 03:54 PM
I hope my CPU enjoyed it too
;)
Yep free run logo is awesome)

meankeys
10-30-2013, 04:19 PM
That logo was cool Nik :)

csimon
10-31-2013, 01:54 AM
Sorry I ran out of time there Nikos, you did great. Awesome scores. I am so getting Haswell now.

Arne Saknussemm
10-31-2013, 08:43 AM
Free Run Submission ;)


Fantastic stuff nikos!! and LOL the free run pic!

nikosa43
10-31-2013, 01:58 PM
Sorry I ran out of time there Nikos, you did great. Awesome scores. I am so getting Haswell now. That's ok my friend. You did a great job and I am sure that you know much more things about the efficiency of any system you run. Haswell is very good choice, very fast and efficient, not so good for very high clocks though. Still is much faster than mine in lower clocks. Go for it :)

nikosa43
10-31-2013, 02:01 PM
Fantastic stuff nikos!! and LOL the free run pic! Thank you Arne! You did a great job as usual. I can't imagine any Vizman's challenge without you :). BTW your new avatar rocks :D

HiVizMan
10-31-2013, 02:02 PM
There might still be time for one more....



See the front page.

nikosa43
11-01-2013, 08:33 AM
Εις το επανιδείν. Ήσασταν όλοι καταπληκτικοί !!!

csimon
11-04-2013, 04:32 PM
Did we tie 4th or actually take 5th? At any rate, it was loads of fun while it lasted. Kudos to you Nikosa!

HiVizMan
11-04-2013, 04:55 PM
http://rog.asus.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29309

Well done all.

nikosa43
11-04-2013, 06:38 PM
Did we tie 4th or actually take 5th? At any rate, it was loads of fun while it lasted. Kudos to you Nikosa! Whatever place is this, it's well done :) CS. I enjoyed it a lot and I am happy. Grats to you too, I hope I 'll see you to the next one! Vizman, I hope you had a good time with your family :)

HiVizMan
11-04-2013, 07:00 PM
Team Pennsylvania get the nod due to finishing ahead of ROG United in 3 out of 5 of the benchmarks.

csimon
11-04-2013, 11:25 PM
Team Pennsylvania get the nod due to finishing ahead of ROG United in 3 out of 5 of the benchmarks.
Ah, it was just a curiosity is all.

csimon
11-04-2013, 11:28 PM
Whatever place is this, it's well done :) CS. I enjoyed it a lot and I am happy. Grats to you too, I hope I 'll see you to the next one! Vizman, I hope you had a good time with your family :)
Yes Nikos, hopefully next time I'll be back as competition!