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Antronman
04-25-2014, 05:07 PM
Weeellll....maybe a GOOD BIOS flash has me sorted? http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?46139-Rivbe-shutdowns&p=393519&viewfull=1#post393519

Fingers crossed...not had much time for extensive testing and I am waiting for a better 4930K that is inbound...when it arrives we'll see for sure...

And I finally have my black cables...better quality replacements....and will have some time soon to strip the bench,flush the loop, clean the RADs and put her back together nice and new and shiny...and very BLACK

And then do some benching and gaming on the Titan Black

This Matrix 290X
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As soon as EK get their a** in gear and make it a water block!.....EK?
They're probably haulin' a** with Nvidia and starting to design Maxwell blocks. And Intel to make BW/H-E

Arne Saknussemm
05-12-2014, 10:38 AM
Hmmm I am really tempted by this http://www.ekwb.com/news/489/143/EK-introduces-ASUS-Rampage-IV-Black-Edition-AIO-water-cooling-solution/

twisted1
05-12-2014, 02:32 PM
Hmmm I am really tempted by this http://www.ekwb.com/news/489/143/EK-introduces-ASUS-Rampage-IV-Black-Edition-AIO-water-cooling-solution/

I saw that the other day, seems nice. Alot less connections and tubing running to/from VRM and SB on the board. Makes for a cleaner look. Looks a bit chunky in the pics but I like the fact that you can cool cpu/vrm/sb and only have use two connections for all of it.

Antronman
05-12-2014, 03:05 PM
Hmmm I am really tempted by this http://www.ekwb.com/news/489/143/EK-introduces-ASUS-Rampage-IV-Black-Edition-AIO-water-cooling-solution/
It's a bit chunky looking, and I don't know if the chipset block is higher than the normal heatsink.
And I think having everything separate looks pretty cool.

Arne Saknussemm
05-12-2014, 05:08 PM
I'm wondering if it's serial or parallel? or half and half...if you know what I mean.....main drawback for me is you have to remove red ROG light...I like my ROG light :o

Chunky? Hmm once the RAM is in I don't reckon it'll look out of place....certainly no tubing etc...very clean

Anyway I guess but big can be beautiful
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Arne Saknussemm
05-12-2014, 05:11 PM
Hmm seems block first then parallel to VRM and PCH....right?

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Henkenator68NL
05-12-2014, 10:09 PM
Arne do you expect performance gain from the mobo block? Or just going for the look... My experience is that the moboblock does reduce the liquid flow (assuming that its not on a separate loop) of the totall loop.

graphic
05-12-2014, 11:19 PM
Arne, looks very cool.... It will take folks a while to change their ways....
however simplicity is best and by reducing the length of the loop has
to perform better, the only reason I missed this is because I have stopped
following what Ek does, I will do so until they get rid of or improve this
nikel plating there doing to their blocks, can I say since started doing my new
build and swapped out my radiators... I was not happy to see what I
found in my loop, even the bitstpower fitting's it wasnt growth it was
more of a Degrading, I have now gone with xspc, for new build see how that goes....

twisted1
05-12-2014, 11:29 PM
Arne do you expect performance gain from the mobo block? Or just going for the look... My experience is that the moboblock does reduce the liquid flow (assuming that its not on a separate loop) of the totall loop.

I like the idea that you only need two pieces of tubing for cooling the whole MB and cpu, less likely to get leaks with all the fittings and tubing you need for the separate VRM/SB block. I'm gonna get just a VRM block for my RIVE, the SB doesn't get to hot and I don't have to run tubing all across the board.

Menthol
05-13-2014, 12:53 AM
I had something to say, now all I see is beautiful red hair and double chunkiness.

graphic
05-13-2014, 01:26 AM
I had something to say, now all I see is beautiful red hair and double chunkiness.

:cool: lmfao......

abvolt
05-13-2014, 05:18 AM
Hmmm I am really tempted by this http://www.ekwb.com/news/489/143/EK-introduces-ASUS-Rampage-IV-Black-Edition-AIO-water-cooling-solution/

That block gives a much cleaner look wish they would have had that when I got mine..

Arne Saknussemm
05-13-2014, 10:19 AM
Arne do you expect performance gain from the mobo block? Or just going for the look... My experience is that the moboblock does reduce the liquid flow (assuming that its not on a separate loop) of the totall loop.

I do expect performance gain LOL...but not much.....I have two D5s working at half speed so I think they could cope...

I have a "supreme" older block at the mo and this is supremacy so might give me a degree or two and I would get the VRM water cooled and it looks like parallell flow to pch and vrm so restriction should not be too bad...I reckon upping the pumps a notch will keep high flow no worries and I can forget about ramping up fans every time I want to OC...


simplicity is best

Certainly cuts down on tubing etc...looks a good solution to me

Sorry to hear your loop was problematic...let us know how your XSPC stuff works out...


I'm gonna get just a VRM block for my RIVE, the SB doesn't get to hot and I don't have to run tubing all across the board.

Yeah to be honest I was wanting VRM block only for RIVBE but they don't seem to have done that yet...then this came along....but I really like my ROG heartbeat when the rig is resting!!:o


I had something to say, now all I see is beautiful red hair and double chunkiness.

Hahaha! :D


That block gives a much cleaner look wish they would have had that when I got mine..

Yes no word that was in the pipeline!

Menthol
05-17-2014, 05:07 AM
Arne,
I hope you found the memory your were looking for and a CPU to rock it with.
My opinion is that block would make it difficult to change your processor, it would be nice for a build if you weren't changing hardware on a regular basis, also if you get a chiller there is a lot of area behind that block to trap moisture

Arne Saknussemm
05-17-2014, 06:22 AM
Nope...not yet...the quest continues...if I can't get a decent IB-E I'll flog the lot and get Z97 and Devils Canyon for some OC fun and wait for X99...

Good point about the block! Right on all counts...it does seem fit and leave...not for me I dont think...especially because I do want a chiller...it's been 35 degrees for the last two weeks already...

Menthol
05-17-2014, 12:00 PM
It has been so hot and dry here we have wild fires all over Southern California and a new phrase, firenado

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twisted1
05-18-2014, 09:59 AM
It's been pretty hot here in Sweden to, like 22C now mid day.

When I've been running chill this winter I just used a fan or two aimed at the cpu block, that took care of any humidity. And it's all about that dew point ain't it? Sometimes I got dew on the connections/tubing sometime just no dew at all, depending on humidity I suppose. Don't have that dew point thing quite down :)

Arne Saknussemm
05-18-2014, 10:19 AM
firenado

Oh yeah?...I imagine that refers not to the wildfire but to you getting some new GPUs then?

twisted1
05-18-2014, 10:26 AM
Oh yeah?...I imagine that refers not to the wildfire but to you getting some new GPUs then?

Or the effect of his Vcore settings? (I like your style Menthol, much like my own :) )

Arne Saknussemm
05-18-2014, 10:32 AM
Don't have that dew point thing quite down :)

yeah, not an easy concept....was explaining this to some of the lasses the other day...practical demonstration is key..

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twisted1
05-18-2014, 10:47 AM
LOL Arne, I need to learn more about dew point. No question about that :D

Rockford
05-18-2014, 12:51 PM
Arne. ditch the X sockets.. Duals are more fun, and less expensive..

Arne Saknussemm
05-18-2014, 04:02 PM
Yes, if I can't find a good CPU and Beelzebub's Crack is an OC gem then Maximus VII here we come...

Rockford
05-18-2014, 04:35 PM
less expensive>

Smaller psu
more mem to chose from, 2n hand, and auctions, greater selection of IC's
Mush faster post time (fun to tweak)
CPU cheaper, if you kill one, no major concerns..
smaller...+++++

And its fun..

How is that for arguments?

i am getting the Gene VII soon all you need is a mini bench, i offered to build you one, offer still stand..

and plenty of cash left over, to fulfill your dream?.>>

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Arne Saknussemm
05-18-2014, 05:38 PM
All good arguments but that last is the clincher!!....Paw! how did you know?!? got to get me a wife in a dirndl!

kkn
05-18-2014, 05:55 PM
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hm i must say i like this bether then what that lady that paw posted.

Rockford
05-18-2014, 06:08 PM
Hell no, just lift the skirt and the fun begins, no need for fancy face..:D, you wont see it anyway..

Arne Saknussemm
05-18-2014, 06:10 PM
I was thinking more..

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or
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Rockford
05-18-2014, 06:13 PM
Wiener clamps!!!!!!!

Antronman
05-18-2014, 11:22 PM
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Found the right one for you Arne.

Look her up, I dare you.

I remember I found that build when I was looking around for some cool customs, saw it on rignoobies. I saw the name, and I though "wait, that name seems familiar..."

Arne Saknussemm
06-16-2014, 08:39 PM
Fiiiiiinally I have had time to swap out my power cables for black ones and got a CPU in my rig! Yay! Have to break it in gently...

Typically I have lost my compact flash cards for the camera in the move...or rather they are in a box somewhere...so a photo...one of these days ;)

Antronman this is nerd porn not real porn

PS mods...maybe this thread would be better off in the general hardware section? :o

Rockford
06-16-2014, 09:06 PM
Typically I have lost my compact flash cards for the camera in the move...or rather they are in a box somewhere...so a photo...one of these days


http://youtu.be/EaDzkyplitE

Arne Saknussemm
06-19-2014, 08:49 AM
OK so my new 4930K defrinitely better than the last...

Does a real nice 4.4GHz Gaming clock at -0.02 offset 1.168v

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I did the set-1.4v-and-boot-windows and it does 4.8GHz but gave one or two errors running prime but a little playing and I should get 4.8 stable.

Whats the recommended voltage max on water? 1.4 tops or is 1.5 OK anyone know the consensus?

Dartmaul
06-19-2014, 10:45 AM
I need your CPU now!!!:D

For 24/7 I would prefer to stay under 1.35v, but it's pretty safe to run up to 1.45.
I use my chip at 4500@1.28v.

The dangerous voltage is VCCSA not vcore)

Arne Saknussemm
06-19-2014, 11:08 AM
I need your CPU now!!!:D

LOL Dartmaul....sound like yours is pretty similar!

Menthol
06-19-2014, 11:19 AM
Very nice Arne, glad to see you with a good chip, so you'll be in the competition now?

Dartmaul
06-19-2014, 12:57 PM
LOL Dartmaul....sound like yours is pretty similar!
It was, but since it suffered from my horrible experiments, it has lost some of OC potential(
Previously was stable at 4600@1.32v, now needs at least 1.38 for same freq.

PS try not to set VCCSA above 1.25 or you may repeat my failure.

Arne Saknussemm
06-19-2014, 01:30 PM
Hmm Viz told me they degrade quickly if you give them too much juice. I certainly will be keeping VCCSA low and vcore I think...going to break it in slowly.

Menthol, no I don't really have time to do justice to the challenge the free time I have I will be getting to know the CPU or playing Wolfenstein:o

Dartmaul
06-19-2014, 02:12 PM
HiViz considers things under certain conditions (most likely frozen by LN2)

Ivy-E is capped by temps so you can't push these chips by bumping voltage. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't benefit from vcore above 1.55v under H2O, and it's pretty safe voltage for benching.

Also, these CPUs have a weird feature to became "exhausted". Sometimes you may feel your CPU has degredated a bit, but it may be solved by leaving your rig switched off for few mins.

PS max CPU freq may wary from strap.

Arne Saknussemm
06-19-2014, 02:30 PM
Cheers Dartmaul....all useful info...weird about the tired chip! I'll look out for that. I have been experimenting a bit more and I have come to the conclusion that updating win8 to 8.1 screws the OS. This is the fourth time I have done this and every time I need more voltage to run 8.1.

I have to find a way of clean installing 8.1 with a win8 key.

I just swapped to win 8 and where 4.6 was crashing on my 8.1 update....4.6 passed Realbench with flying colours at +0.07 offset 1.264v
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and decent enough temps considering ambient is 27...

Dartmaul
06-19-2014, 03:05 PM
Well, your chip is definitely better than mine ever was) Also mine has first two cores to heat up at most.
Can't say anything about 8.1, I still prefer win7, and since win8/8.1 is banned on bot for the most of the benchmarks I use it very rarely.

Arne Saknussemm
06-19-2014, 03:08 PM
Eh?, don't I remember you getting 4.9 out of yours?

Yeah the temps on this one are quite even. The good 3930K I had was same...very even across cores with temp....I wonder if there is something in that....?

Darkage has a nice 4930....4.9GHz on 1.4v!:cool:

darkage
06-19-2014, 03:59 PM
yeah it can do and run a bunch of benchmarks 4.9 @1.40v but i dont stress test my cpus so 24/7 i use 4.8@1.40v :-)
but its a nice big boy :-)

Dartmaul
06-19-2014, 04:06 PM
Eh?, don't I remember you getting 4.9 out of yours?
It was with -3C ambient)

Dunno about the temps but I know for sure that Ivy-E has noticeably less power consumption and as a result heat generation than SB-E.
My chip at 4500@1.28v under prime95 small FFT stress draws 125w that passes to stock TDP. Same freq/voltage on SB-E consumes over 145w.

Yep I recall Darkage's chip. But that one HiViz bought from amazon cannot be compared with any other.

BTW why our little ROG sandbox still has no CPU binning center? I don't apply on a golden CPU but still, it's so annoying to purchase crappy silicon that has no use.

Arne Saknussemm
06-20-2014, 08:29 AM
yeah it can do and run a bunch of benchmarks 4.9 @1.40v

Darn fine bit of silicon....out of interest what are the core temps like....how much spread in temperatures?


It was with -3C ambient

Aha! Hmm have to wait for the next ice age to get that here....or buy a chiller finally...

Yeah Viz attracts good CPUs like a magnet...

And yeah, I lie awake at night thinking of those golden CPU's running stock somewhere, checking emails and playing minesweeper :(

Here I have found how to clean install Win 8.1 and when I did it the OCing was the same as on a fresh Win 8 install....the update process from one to the other leaves a lot to be desired if you are an OCer....

EDIT:

OK so it seems I have been relatively fortunate with the old silicon lottery. Getting 4.8 stable was easy and anything after that is going to be a bonus the way I see it...

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AkaNe0
06-20-2014, 08:57 AM
It's hot in here ! We need to be careful when we look at picture and videos x) This is too hot !

Arne Saknussemm
06-20-2014, 11:45 AM
Not sure what you mean? The Matrix pictures, the lederhosen or my OC temps?

Joking...note taken:o...though there's nothing here that you can't see worse of in a Miley Cirus video.

Arne Saknussemm
06-22-2014, 07:01 PM
Ok so, I got to get me some cold from somewhere. Been slowly creeping up volts and found that strap 125 works for 4.9 but temps! not happy...not going here until I have some serious cooling...

Big jump from 4.8 temps and volts heading into unwanted territory...

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Still, better than average chip I reckon so happy enough with that...and much better than SB-E at more reasonable clocks.

I had two SB-E chips... needed 1.344 for 4.6GHz this chip does that at 1.264 and is faster at that clock about 4.9 SB-E equivalent...

darkage
06-22-2014, 07:17 PM
hello sir!
i must say that you have a nice chip there !
yes its true IB-E is way faster then older SB-E, people bragged a lot 5 6 % but in real life and after some nice overclocks its another pleasure :-)
but as always its almost history X79

Arne Saknussemm
06-22-2014, 08:13 PM
Hey darkage! How's life in the islands treating you....still got your system I see...good stuff!

Not as nice as your chip darkage but pretty good...I can't complain...

LOL yep! About to be a has been platform for sure....when we come back from summer holidays X99 might be on the cards...but I'll certainly enjoy this platform while it lasts...it's been great!

Arne Saknussemm
06-24-2014, 11:31 AM
Where is this waterblock? :confused:

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darkage
06-29-2014, 02:02 PM
here u go arne, soon at a cinema near you
http://www.techpowerup.com/202546/new-ek-water-cooling-gear-coming-next-month.html

Arne Saknussemm
06-29-2014, 06:19 PM
Cheers darkage...yeah, they finally posted up a due date July 1st :)

Menthol
06-29-2014, 08:47 PM
Arne,
Are you going to show some pic's or benchmarks or just pictures of pretty girls, you've used all the excuses already, no cpu, no ram, no bios, no block, no no no

darkage
06-29-2014, 08:50 PM
he just left no no
you have to be kind with him :-)

Arne Saknussemm
07-06-2014, 06:33 PM
No time..is the important one...been moving,working...:(

Just put your Pi RAM in the RIVBE and code 53 or b7...no go...does not like this old school stuff :(

Finally EK make the block for the R9 290X Matrix...aaand its so ugly I can't bring myself to order it :(

Apart from that all good LOL :)

kkn
07-06-2014, 06:37 PM
No time..is the important one...been moving,working...:(

Just put your Pi RAM in the RIVBE and code 53 or b7...no go...does not like this old school stuff :(

Finally EK make the block for the R9 290X Matrix...aaand its so ugly I can't bring myself to order it :(

Apart from that all good LOL :)
yeah yeah yeah , excuses excuses. :P

Arne Saknussemm
07-06-2014, 07:25 PM
They wantssss to see you my preciousss....them nasty ROGses, they wantss to pry and poke my preciousssss...but we wont letsss them will we my precioussssss noooo GOLLUM GOLLUM

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Arne Saknussemm
07-16-2014, 01:16 PM
Finally got a Supremacy block from EK....tried to mount it today. The screws holding the cold plate are not recessed properly so they make contact with socket on RIVBE and prevent good contact with CPU...

Not impressed :(:mad:especially as order was sent out days late...waiting for reply

Lately they have been underwhelming for sure...nice products but QC and delivery delays does not make for happy customers...

kkn
07-16-2014, 01:52 PM
mabye a happy camper?
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Arne Saknussemm
07-16-2014, 02:12 PM
At least he's chilled unlike my CPU...

Two minutes on Google and I found a similar story http://www.overclock.net/t/1429773/ek-supremacy-does-not-fit-asus-rive

kkn
07-16-2014, 02:27 PM
well hes a cool camper ;)

Menthol
07-17-2014, 12:24 AM
O no Arne, that's no cool at all. Do you still have your Koolance block? I just received, two EK blocks for 290X Matrix, I preordered the cards, if all goes well they will be shipped tonight or tomorrow.

Arne Saknussemm
07-17-2014, 11:08 AM
EK

The K stands for Kafka I presume since their customer service is Kafkaesque.

I ordered a block 4th july 24 hour shipping. It arrived 10 days later. Great start and I complained during the process and they said it was the "queue".

The block is deffective. "passed QC" but the most basic thing the screws for the coldplate stick out 1mm and contact socket raising block off CPU.

Warning: At idle you don't notice any temp difference but at load your CPU will overheat!

I wrote requesting that given the delay and bad service they send me another block immediately and arrange pickup at the same time of this one.

Do they do the decent thing? No. RMA. I have to pay more money to return defective mechandise and lose more time.

Even this, the RMA they can't get right. I try to fill in details of RMA and the RMA form will not accept my invoice number! Have a 9 digit number they want a 7 digit one!!

And no reply to email on this.

People having to drill out their brand new plated blocks to countersink the screws!!

You see the Kafka part now....!!

Pretty disgusted of course.

I believe in putting this stuff out there so people can see beyond the pretty marketing. I have recommended EK for ages but no longer...

Arne Saknussemm
07-17-2014, 11:26 AM
OK, for anyone else in this predicament, in possession of a 9 digit Invoice number...and asked to enter a 7 digit number remove some zeros and the # symbol.

Oh and un-fu**ing-believable! You will receive the reply

"Our RMA department will do all in our power to fix this. We will get back to you within one week."

EDIT:

I am glad to say they actually got back to me in 30 seconds and a bit of back and forth and they are sending me a new coldplate for me to do my own swap and repair....might arrive just in time.....? If they had reacted like this from customer service yesterday/this morning I could have had it by tomorrow instead of next Monday now!

RMA department seem to non-Kafkaesque..thanks go to them (Rok Dolinar)

MatsGlobetrotter
07-17-2014, 04:14 PM
i had rthe same issue with my Fomula chipset block... To add insult to injury the freakin QC label was right next to the problem issue..

Arne Saknussemm
07-17-2014, 07:42 PM
Yes same here..."quality check no38" right in there with the block.

They said I should drill out the nickel coating from the countersink holes....

Maybe they should stick with proven design of recessing the cold plate screws like all their other blocks and spend more time on QC than on tshirt giveaways http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?49524-EK-Water-Blocks-Survey-(Round-2-With-40-prizes!)&country=&status=

How long did it take them to sort you out? any hassle with the process?

MatsGlobetrotter
07-17-2014, 07:49 PM
hmm QC43 on mine. The guys responded to me within 24 hours and needed some more details then I showed a picture of the issue. they offered to send a replacement part asap (thus not a full block but that is ok). Its been pending my login to give final response with details on shipment as I am not in EU... which is now done so will get back on the resolution.

Think there are some growing pains there as the blocks got very popular.

Arne Saknussemm
07-17-2014, 07:59 PM
Yep...QC has been patchy for a while...having to make your own adjustments and tweaks and machining sometimes to finish things off. They said today that they have more people hired in production....could use some in quality control and customer service too and make their stock indicator system work and ship stuff a lot faster....and...

:rolleyes:

I like their stuff but not their service and one without the other will lose customers...

Menthol
07-18-2014, 12:20 AM
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?49524-EK-Water-Blocks-Survey-%28Round-2-With-40-prizes!%29

MatsGlobetrotter
07-18-2014, 08:14 AM
:cool: well they are taking it serious I am happy to report. My replacement part is flying out today. I do like the fact that they are informing us about the issues they have which seems to be happening in the emails they send. I can understand companies ending up with growing pains that they are adjusting to as oppose to many just keeping silent so am sure the issues will reduce. I am not sure how far advance notice they get on the new product lines so it is a catch-up game every release of hardware. Meanwhile I know the performance of the blocks are there which is key for me. My GPU is running luke warm even though I have maxed out the voltage 100% and run it at the top speed I can get out for every day use.. 1300/2028

hmm if just the customs could be a bit more lenient on me so I could my second GTX780Ti and the EK full block out of customs today.... seems they want to keep it until Tuesday sighhhh. now that is a wasted weekend hehe

Arne Saknussemm
07-18-2014, 08:40 AM
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?49524-EK-Water-Blocks-Survey-(Round-2-With-40-prizes!)

Yeah, I saw that...filled it in...hope they take feedback seriously.

Mats...glad you are sorted out more or less.

Have to wait and see if the solution they have for me works...or if the problem is in the top part of the block etc.

Will post up results...

Arne Saknussemm
07-18-2014, 06:39 PM
Hmm so stripped plating off one of the countersunk holes in the cold plate to see if it was excessive (this was the first theory from EK) but it did not solve the problem..in fact the plating was great...

So I sent off photos of screw still not flush with block and they had a look in production and reckon their supplier has sent them bad screws. The normal screws have a smaller head and sit flush and are missing a small raised part that is causing the problems here...

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New screws and new cold plate on the way...

kkn
07-18-2014, 08:19 PM
glad you found the error.
hope it will be a smooth instal now.

Menthol
07-19-2014, 12:41 AM
That still blows it should have fit correctly the first time, this is a board that has been in production or am I missing something, is this there full board block thing?

kkn
07-19-2014, 08:16 AM
cpu if im not mistaken.

Arne Saknussemm
07-19-2014, 09:00 AM
Cheers kkn!

Menthol...yeah, it's the supremacy block...not a new block...was completely obvious the screws were standing out...how it got past quality control I have no idea. There will be more out there no doubt.

Bad thing is it makes slight contact but bad contact and idle temps look OK it is only under load that things go bad...if you didn't notice the problem installing you might run one of these for a while and if you don't check temps you could slowly cook the CPU on a 2011 socket...

Menthol
07-19-2014, 01:44 PM
Not sure why but I have never used an EK block on my CPU, I may never use one seeing this thread, these type of things are just unacceptable even if they make it right, I have read those stories of EK's nickle platting coming off in the past and them denying it so I guess if they at least replace your block that is a step in the right direction but it should have never got out the door in the first place.
I guess I have an opinion on quality, it should be perfect every time, and if there is a defect of any kind the support should be superb nothing less

Arne Saknussemm
07-19-2014, 02:03 PM
Yep! Exactly! RMA department have been dead quick but I am heading here for 20 days after paying for an expensive product still without it working and customer service were trying to make me pay more money to ship the thing back to them before finding me a solution. That is the part about this I find uncool. I have bought loads of stuff from them too.

I think the same as you RE quality and service...I expect better especially as a loyal customer.

I have started looking around already....found this http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15714/ex-blc-1096/Aquacomputer_Cuplex_Kryos_XT_Series_-_925_Silver_Edition_-_Socket_LGA_2011_21587.html?tl=g30c323s1656&id=VvFnBGdL

BLING! and it comes with PK-1!

twisted1
07-19-2014, 04:42 PM
Yep! Exactly! RMA department have been dead quick but I am heading here for 20 days after paying for an expensive product still without it working and customer service were trying to make me pay more money to ship the thing back to them before finding me a solution. That is the part about this I find uncool. I have bought loads of stuff from them too.

I think the same as you RE quality and service...I expect better especially as a loyal customer.

I have started looking around already....found this http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15714/ex-blc-1096/Aquacomputer_Cuplex_Kryos_XT_Series_-_925_Silver_Edition_-_Socket_LGA_2011_21587.html?tl=g30c323s1656&id=VvFnBGdL

BLING! and it comes with PK-1!

Can't belive your block passed quality control. I'm using a koolance 370si on my RIVE, I'm tempted to get a EK CSQ Acetal(have one but that's a plexi one) though, it would match the EK motherboard blocks better.

I need another block though, gotta keep the S1150 cool too. I really like the koolance block, however the mounting and backplate(for S1155/1150) is much better on the EK blocks than what it is on the koolance.

MatsGlobetrotter
07-19-2014, 05:09 PM
How about this for a picture ;-) that could have cracked my MB completely.

39023

I am with Menthol I want quality coz I am paying for it. and knowing my costs and time delay to ship things DHL to Africa.. hmm

Arne Saknussemm
07-19-2014, 05:15 PM
the mounting and backplate(for S1155/1150) is much better on the EK blocks than what it is on the koolance.

This is true...I have a 380i here and it is OK but not got the weight or quality of the EK block and the mount is simply not as good


How about this for a picture ;-)

Now that is just crazy!!

Arne Saknussemm
09-02-2014, 04:16 PM
Well, finally I got my new coldplate and screws for the Supremacy...fitted her up and finally compared to Supreme HF

Not a great scientific testing but I think it's clear nonetheless.

Same ambient temp 26 degrees, running at idle desktop and then Prime run for a couple of minutes in the background...

SupremeHF idle
40633

Supremacy idle
40634

SupremeHF Prime
40635

Supremacy Prime
40636

Will have the Supremacy Evo here soon can see if that has any gains....

Arne Saknussemm
09-04-2014, 11:06 AM
I can hardly believe this but my brand new Supremacy EVO has just arrived and guess what? Same problem.....Screws not recessed into coldplate!

Unbelievable!

I seriously suggest anyone with Supremacy or Supremacy EVO on socket 2011 take a very good look at their block and make sure that there is no contact. Idle temperatures are OK since minimal contact may be made or at least contact with TIM. However load temperatures will be too high!

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?51229-Serious-design-problem-quality-control-problem-with-EK-Supremacy&country=&status=

Menthol
09-04-2014, 11:28 AM
Arne,
You sure you didn't date someone's girlfriend at EK in your travels, no way this could be coincidental

Arne Saknussemm
09-04-2014, 11:47 AM
Entirely possible..That thought crossed my mind... maybe this is what you get for complaining...Or there are loads more people with problems

Arne Saknussemm
09-04-2014, 04:32 PM
Screw standing up from plane of cold-plate..will make contact with 2011 socket. How much will depend on exact amount standing up.
40679

Compared to alternative screw which sits down in the countersink
40680

Compared to good design Supreme HF
40681

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?51229-Serious-design-problem-quality-control-problem-with-EK-Supremacy&p=433242&viewfull=1#post433242

twisted1
09-05-2014, 12:38 AM
Arne! Have a look at the pics i posted in your other thread. The studs on mine sticks out as much or more than what yours do.

Arne Saknussemm
09-06-2014, 11:39 AM
Yikes! Twisted...take care mounting on 2011 if you do it.

M4 x16 DIN7991 are the screws you want...( This straight from Rok Dolinar RMA department).

I have taken the four he provided from my supremacy block, hand ground the heads a whisker on a whet stone and now have the perfect block...Supremacy EVO with fully recessed screws for socket 2011(-3)

40831

40832

40833

and when it works...
Supremacy EVO idle
40834
Supremacy EVO Prime
40835

Same conditions as above...I think you can see minimum temps lower and max a bit lower too so another degree at least dropped...excellent stuff. After all the hassles...

meankeys
09-06-2014, 05:11 PM
Arne nice job!

I was thinking the same thing but I would have ground the screws a bit them polished the whole block with the screws to ensure a flat even surface.

Arne Saknussemm
09-07-2014, 09:49 AM
Heh thanks meankeys ...Yes, would probably be a good idea if you have the kit to do it...

Luumi
09-07-2014, 11:09 AM
Arne would you like to race some 5ghz 32m with me :P? I got the right tools now but buggy mem.

http://hwbot.org/image/1232031.jpg

Arne Saknussemm
09-07-2014, 11:55 AM
:D Nice...seen you've been up to 6 too!

Don't know if my 5ghz days are over? Maybe this IB-E will do it in the depths of winter or if I get it chilled...

And I'm going to go Haswell-E now I think which wont get there by all accounts unless I go to Siberia or HiViz's basement...

Luumi
09-07-2014, 12:37 PM
Or just do as I and buy some liquid nitrogen, it is certainly cheap for you anyways.

Arne Saknussemm
09-11-2014, 11:11 AM
Got some PK-3 today to see if there are any improvements over my big favourite (since Paw pointed me in the right direction) PK-1:
40927

Better specs
40928

And you can see how they've done it...by cramming in more nano dust and using less oil...
40929

What this means practically, is it is not as easy to spread by any means...I found heating it up to be the best for spreading and in fact using it cold I wouldn't bother..too much hassle..PK-1 much easier to use.

Results at 28 ambient:

Idle PK-1
40930
Idle PK-3
40931

Too close to call really 25.08 and 25.16

Prime PK-1
40932
Prime PK-3
40933

Too close? or is there a small gap there...52.16 PK-1 / 51.83 PK-3

In the end the ease of use of PK-1 and the ease of spreading are going to get you a good thin layer and good temps...PK-3 you have to have your technique down..though if you do you might get better temps.

I'll check again in a couple of days to see if the PK-3 slowly spreads thinner under the pressure of the block and improves....

darkage
09-11-2014, 12:22 PM
i still use MX-2 and thinking next century triyng MX-4
things are happening very fast for me
thanks for sharing :-)

Arne Saknussemm
09-11-2014, 01:28 PM
LOL darkage :rolleyes::D

darkage
09-11-2014, 02:34 PM
hell you know i am a AMD (MAD) guy
with the others is SB__SB-e__YB__YB-E__HASS__HASS-E__DDR3__DDR4 etc etc AVX MX CS 1__2__3--6 ////1156__1155__1150__ brrr
things are going to fast for me
AM3 for another 2 years things go slow here
by the way just sold all my X79 system
cheers

Arne Saknussemm
09-11-2014, 05:23 PM
Yeah, you don't have to tell me my friend...it's all useless for most computing...even gaming! I would like to think I do it because it's fun..if I ever felt I had to upgrade I'd join a monastery..


by the way just sold all my X79 system

Man, I was about to write you today about the board.... no worries ;)

chrsplmr will rejoice!

darkage
09-11-2014, 05:45 PM
its all gone

Arne Saknussemm
09-11-2014, 08:26 PM
Hope you got a good price for that CPU...it was a good one!

darkage
09-11-2014, 08:44 PM
not that bad
now AMD for some time or maybe a G3258 just for fun
you ---- X99 ?

Arne Saknussemm
09-11-2014, 08:48 PM
Good stuff!

Yeah, have some DDR4 arriving tomorrow....8 cores will be great for err..well, you know...stuff...

darkage
09-11-2014, 08:57 PM
hope you get a "special" one this time :-)
a lot new things to learn for what i have been reading

twisted1
09-12-2014, 11:25 AM
Got some PK-3 today to see if there are any improvements over my big favourite (since Paw pointed me in the right direction) PK-1:
40927

Better specs
40928

And you can see how they've done it...by cramming in more nano dust and using less oil...
40929

What this means practically, is it is not as easy to spread by any means...I found heating it up to be the best for spreading and in fact using it cold I wouldn't bother..too much hassle..PK-1 much easier to use.

Results at 28 ambient:

Idle PK-1
40930
Idle PK-3
40931

Too close to call really 25.08 and 25.16

Prime PK-1
40932
Prime PK-3
40933

Too close? or is there a small gap there...52.16 PK-1 / 51.83 PK-3

In the end the ease of use of PK-1 and the ease of spreading are going to get you a good thin layer and good temps...PK-3 you have to have your technique down..though if you do you might get better temps.

I'll check again in a couple of days to see if the PK-3 slowly spreads thinner under the pressure of the block and improves....

Thanks for sharing Arne!

Considering how off the thermal sensors in the cpu usually are I think it's to close to call. Sometimes mine show temps like 5C below the ambient temp :)

I need to get some of that good paste, I've got like MX-4 I believe and a 30g tube of white colored arctic something cheapo paste. I mean I've delidded and lapped the cpu(3770k) and used liquid metal stuff on the cpu die. and a 1080 rad. The least I can do is use good thermal paste, makes no sense when you think about it :)

Arne Saknussemm
09-12-2014, 11:36 AM
hope you get a "special" one this time :-)
a lot new things to learn for what i have been reading

Hmmm, we'll see...the old silicon lottery...kind of exciting...until you don't win LOL

Yeah and the new stuff is half the fun of changing...



Considering how off the thermal sensors in the cpu usually are I think it's to close to call. Sometimes mine show temps like 5C below the ambient temp :)

I need to get some of that good paste, I've got like MX-4 I believe and a 30g tube of white colored arctic something cheapo paste. I mean I've delidded and lapped the cpu(3770k) and used liquid metal stuff on the cpu die. and a 1080 rad. The least I can do is use good thermal paste, makes no sense when you think about it :)

Same here some cores below ambient but it's EK stuff you know! LOL

Part of the reason I don't go too near the top end of the chip...don't want reality to bite you in the ass while in bad sensor dreamland

And yeah I saw that horrible stuff you put on the 3930 the other day...half decided I wasn't going to speak to you again:p;):D

twisted1
09-12-2014, 11:46 AM
Arne would you like to race some 5ghz 32m with me :P? I got the right tools now but buggy mem.

http://hwbot.org/image/1232031.jpg

Yeah, really bad sticks there, only 2780Mhz CL7 ;)

I could take them of your hands no problemo :D


hell you know i am a AMD (MAD) guy
with the others is SB__SB-e__YB__YB-E__HASS__HASS-E__DDR3__DDR4 etc etc AVX MX CS 1__2__3--6 ////1156__1155__1150__ brrr
things are going to fast for me
AM3 for another 2 years things go slow here
by the way just sold all my X79 system
cheers

My RIVE just died so I need a new one, to bad you already sold yours.

You should absolutely get a Pentium AE btw, they're great fun. I think I killed mine, delidd and liquid metal. Must have got some LM on the little capacitors on the cpu PCB. Seems silicone was not good enough insulation. It worked great, but the temps didn't get that much better so I decided to open the cpu up and add a bit more LM. And that did the trick! Code 00 :/

To bad as it was a pretty good chip, rock stable @5Ghz and I've benched it up to 5,2Ghz.

Arne Saknussemm
09-12-2014, 01:30 PM
Errr...I did say my temp testing was not so scientific...and I have been suffering a nice dose of flu this week....that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

I have two thermometers in the room, one by the door one on the bench and the aircon on to get 26degrees...and I have had everything at 26degrees

But I just noticed that on some screenshots the GPU temp...which is a block that has remained fixed and therefore should not vary... has different readings on different screenshots so I'm thinking block difference might be worthless...who knows.

In any case I ran the numbers and found a difference between Supreme HF and Supremacy blocks of 1.3 degrees (however GPU temp also differed by a degree up on Supreme runs so can't say that with any confidence) and NO difference between Supremacy and Supremacy EVO.

What I did then is put on the aircon at 26....wait for both thermometers to get to stable 26 and the GPU to report 27...same as in these shots

Supremacy EVO Idle PK-1
40959

Supremacy EVO Prime PK-1
40960

And compare these to PK-3

Supremacy EVO idle PK-3
40962

Supremacy EVO Prime PK-3
40964


That gives PK-1 idle 22.42 / PK-3 idle 22.25

PK-1 load 50.17 / PK-3 load 48.16!

You can get different temps on a CPU just from redoing the mount and my temperature measuring is not in a lab..it's in my house so all in all I'm not going to buy a new block for a while or new paste...because I don't believe a word of what I've written here, a word from "independent" reviewers or from the manufacturers...

Thank you for coming

No, no refunds

:D

twisted1
09-12-2014, 06:31 PM
Errr...I did say my temp testing was not so scientific...and I have been suffering a nice dose of flu this week....that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

I have two thermometers in the room, one by the door one on the bench and the aircon on to get 26degrees...and I have had everything at 26degrees

But I just noticed that on some screenshots the GPU temp...which is a block that has remained fixed and therefore should not vary... has different readings on different screenshots so I'm thinking block difference might be worthless...who knows.

In any case I ran the numbers and found a difference between Supreme HF and Supremacy blocks of 1.3 degrees (however GPU temp also differed by a degree up on Supreme runs so can't say that with any confidence) and NO difference between Supremacy and Supremacy EVO.

What I did then is put on the aircon at 26....wait for both thermometers to get to stable 26 and the GPU to report 27...same as in these shots

Supremacy EVO Idle PK-1
40959

Supremacy EVO Prime PK-1
40960

And compare these to PK-3

Supremacy EVO idle PK-3
40962

Supremacy EVO Prime PK-3
40964


That gives PK-1 idle 22.42 / PK-3 idle 22.25

PK-1 load 50.17 / PK-3 load 48.16!

You can get different temps on a CPU just from redoing the mount and my temperature measuring is not in a lab..it's in my house so all in all I'm not going to buy a new block for a while or new paste...because I don't believe a word of what I've written here, a word from "independent" reviewers or from the manufacturers...

Thank you for coming

No, no refunds

:D

In my experience the GPU temp sensors are more accurate. I have a water temp sensor in my bench rig loop. And if that's accurate which it seems to be when I have the rad outside the temp of the water is basically the same as the outdoor temp or a few degrees above that. And the gpu temp is almost always two degrees above the water temp pretty much stable when in idle.

And core 1 should in theory be the hottest one since windows puts load on that core first, then the next and so on(If I'm not mistaken, which I very well may be). But realtemp always gives me lowest temp on core 1, for some odd reason.

Arne Saknussemm
09-20-2014, 06:26 PM
Funny how things go...this build never really got off the ground...

Plenty of problems...from awful cables from Shakmods to bad IB-E samples...from GPU RMAs to twitchy RIVBE BIOS and current settings....

Never really convinced...

So out with the old, in with the new! Half the fun of tech. Everything bar the cooling loop goes on E-Bay!

And a Black and Red ROG build will rise from the ashes: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?51770-Phoenix-Arne-s-RVE-build

Thread closed:)