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Arne Saknussemm
03-10-2014, 05:25 PM
End of an era....my RIVE has just shipped out to a new home. Great board!

Now Arne is going:

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Rockford
03-10-2014, 06:15 PM
thats the way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And photos up the muscle up later in this thread?

Arne Saknussemm
03-11-2014, 07:55 PM
Titans out...BLACK in....

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RIVE out...BLACK in...

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I can't believe how well made this board is....:cool:

ObscureParadox-OC
03-11-2014, 08:04 PM
No 780Ti? :(

Arne Saknussemm
03-11-2014, 08:10 PM
Yeah but...but...then it wouldn't be black Obscure :o plus the Titan Black is like a Ti and like a Titan...second one on the way...

Only problem is, the Titan full cover blocks don't quite fit the Titan black design....tiny difference but have to get new blocks...

ObscureParadox-OC
03-11-2014, 10:47 PM
Is this for benching purposes or just for your rig? If it's for a rig then I get it, if it's for benching then son I am dissapointed ;)

Nah but it is a very nice card all the same you lucky bugger :P

Rockford
03-12-2014, 12:01 AM
Your lucky day A, i did some browsing, and found you new 120mm PWM fans..

Its really re branded Noctuas ;)

250cfm is kinda poor, but if you go Push and Pull then it might be enough..

You probably going to get some now, but dont connect them to you mobo fan headers, i know its a BE board, but just to be on the safe side. and remove that sissy grill, they only obstruct the air flow..

I got 12 pcs of those, but the high RPM version.. Good stuff

Purchase link>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jou-Jye-Computer-BW-1238B-PWM-Ventilatore-per-cabinet-120-mm-BW-1238B-PWM-/271407804049?pt=Altro_Elettronica_di_Consumo&hash=item3f312a6e91


http://youtu.be/ceK0ZdXbCb8

Menthol
03-12-2014, 02:55 AM
Super nice Arne, you just can't imagine how much that board weighs until you take it out of the box. Titan Black = nice choice

Paw, you should try 4 of those fans to make your PC hoover over the desk

chrsplmr
03-12-2014, 03:07 AM
oh .. delicious.. I'm get'n popcorn. .c.

Zka17
03-12-2014, 11:30 AM
Nice, Arne! Are you switching the CPU too?

Arne Saknussemm
03-12-2014, 02:55 PM
Is this for benching purposes or just for your rig? If it's for a rig then I get it, if it's for benching then son I am dissapointed ;)

Half and half I guess....I'll squeeze something out of it (them) on the bench...for pure bench?...hmm...


oh .. delicious.. I'm get'n popcorn. .c.

maybe I will not only be going black but over to the dark side as well...something that should please chrs...


Your lucky day A, i did some browsing, and found you new 120mm PWM fans..

For my airboat? :D
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you just can't imagine how much that board weighs until you take it out of the box

it is hefty...and I like that...any more mass added and I might have a Black hole where my bench was...fun to OC!
Nice, Arne! Are you switching the CPU too?

Yes...IvyBlack-E on the event horizon :cool:

darkage
03-12-2014, 02:55 PM
hi arne
i have a good 4930k if you have any interest
this is the batch as posted in hwbot 3338B804 4.6Ghz Vantage @ 1.216v
i'm in a very dark hole so no more benching for me i think, will stick to the CHVF, already sold my RIVE and 3820 (i think) and next are all the bbse and psc t and x to go
good luck to your black thing and don't let the bright side get you :-)

Arne Saknussemm
03-12-2014, 03:52 PM
Hmm don't like to hear that...sorry you have to part with some gear...though you should find takers for it very fast...

Zka17
03-12-2014, 05:19 PM
Darkage - there are hard times, I know… but just don't give up completely yet!

Arne - keep some red on that black theme… :cool:

Arne Saknussemm
03-12-2014, 06:10 PM
Arne - keep some red on that black theme… :cool:

Yes a touch of red remains...

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Rockford
03-12-2014, 07:31 PM
Terminator eye?

Or a ROG firefly in a concrete pool at night?

Arne Saknussemm
03-13-2014, 06:40 PM
Hal9001 ;)

This arrived today

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Box aint black but the block is...*phew*

Of course I would never fit (that would void warranty) just wanted to photograph it so I could make some photoshop mockups of what it would look like if you did....

Difference between this block and TitanFC is soooooo small...but important is the capacitor cut away.....and small mosfet contact difference...bit annoying but hey that's life...

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So after a while in photoshop...this is what it'd look like I reckon...bit miffed about the 780Ti branding

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darkage
03-13-2014, 07:20 PM
great Photoshop skill's arne :-)

Arne Saknussemm
03-14-2014, 01:03 PM
Thanks darkage! :D I suppose about now I would have been leak testing ready for fitting to the RIVBE...

I just realised that while I'm waiting to swap out the second Titan I have it running PhysX....decadent eh? LOL :o

Rockford
03-14-2014, 01:33 PM
i am heading to the post office myself now, for some EKWB clean CSQ goodies..

The new EK line of gpu waterblooks is soo nice, and really good looking..

And the fact that EKWB got the best quality products on the market today..

CSQ sux...

Arne Saknussemm
03-14-2014, 01:37 PM
Yes....got to be clean! Circles are for the Olympics and only five of them...

Rockford
03-14-2014, 03:30 PM
nice blocks you got there, worthy a champ.

Arne Saknussemm
03-14-2014, 06:19 PM
Hmm so you reckon I should give them to somebody else then LOL

Rockford
03-14-2014, 06:55 PM
Knasboll....:D

Rockford
03-14-2014, 06:58 PM
google translate cant handle that one..

The meaning would be something like this.. Kind and goofy (not in a negative manor)

graphic
03-14-2014, 07:01 PM
hi arne
i have a good 4930k if you have any interest
this is the batch as posted in hwbot 3338B804 4.6Ghz Vantage @ 1.216v
i'm in a very dark hole so no more benching for me i think, will stick to the CHVF, already sold my RIVE and 3820 (i think) and next are all the bbse and psc t and x to go
good luck to your black thing and don't let the bright side get you :-)

hi m8 :) I might be interested as I also am building a new pc ( new thread and soon to come)
I have had the rampage black edition here for a while and am reluctant to strip down my formular...
i do live in Australia, so not sure if shipping is a problem

Rockford
03-14-2014, 07:01 PM
can you say goof ball?

Rockford
03-14-2014, 07:02 PM
hi m8 :) I might be interested as I also am building a new pc ( new thread and soon to come)
I have had the rampage black edition here for a while and am reluctant to strip down my formular...
i do live in Australia, so not sure if shipping is a problem

Please... PM each other instead..:D

graphic
03-14-2014, 07:07 PM
roger that WhitePaw, and also yeah Arne, looking awesome, black is the way, can't wait
to get mine going but with sleeving, water cooling it is going to be a very long project
for me not including funds... good luck man, and keep those pics coming :D

Arne Saknussemm
03-14-2014, 07:14 PM
Hehe I understood it without Google Paw ;)

Yeah graphic...hit Darkage up with a PM...it looks a nice chip...


good luck man, and keep those pics coming :D

Thanks! will do...

Anyone know if you can spray paint plastic sleeved cables...like...and have it stay on...could I convert red and black to straight black?

graphic
03-15-2014, 03:07 AM
you could try man.... I painted an old set with black permanent marker come out all right I suppose,
I'm not rushing the build I'm doing now.... so looking at ordering sleeving from mdpc...... Have heard it's the best,
used in million dollar pc rigs...... :D

ps, ya I have pm'ed Darkage haven't heard anything as of yet but would be happy to get my hands on
it,
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?287423-4930k-4960x-Steppings-and-overclockability
wouldn't mind getting my hands on a good batch no.

Rockford
03-15-2014, 03:14 AM
i dont think it matter so much which batch, its random goodies, and bad seeds in general, different batches hold more of the goodies, or less of the goodies.. no batch is free from bad seeds (this is what i think)

of course i can be very wrong..

Like when Asus overclock, they have trays, +more even trays of cpus, choosing the chips that way

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So if you locate a cpu specimen, from a so called good batch, i dont think it is any guaranteed that that cpu you just purchased will overclock good ). Unless its a second hand specimen, and overclocking ability already has been confirmed.

so i think chasing a batch is pretty pointless.. when a cpu is being purchased brand new..

graphic
03-15-2014, 03:31 AM
haha, that looks like a photo taken in fort knox......

:p

Rockford
03-15-2014, 03:35 AM
My living room. 2 years ago.:D

Arne Saknussemm
03-15-2014, 08:15 AM
There's enough to tile a swimming pool there!

Batch...hmmm...I shouldn't wonder Paw is right...not much point in relying on that...

Confucius say "make a batch of good pancake mix, some of them will still stick to pan"

Arne Saknussemm
03-15-2014, 03:03 PM
Question for EK waterblocks:

My Titan black cooler comes with two thermal pads in the position shown by the green boxes in the pic below and there is a black element in the row on the right ( top and bottom shown by red box ) that does not show in the PCB shot of this early version and that is cooled by that second thermal pad.

The GTX 780 TI block comes with only thermal pad and contact for the row of mosfets on the left. Is this absence of second contact and thermal pad some incompatibility?

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Zka17
03-15-2014, 03:47 PM
Arne, I don't think that there is anything to really cool where those red squares are…

I don't have this particular card or water-block for it, but based on my previous experience with other cards I would think that you need to cool these components (blue) - beside the GPU and memories, of course:

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Thermal pads on those areas where the red indications are may be rather for insulation...

Arne Saknussemm
03-15-2014, 03:53 PM
This is an exact picture...pieces in red circle are cooled on stock cooler but not by EK block.....do they generate heat?

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Just for reference the bits in purple are not cooled on stock cooler or by block so I guess they are not generating heat...

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Zka17
03-15-2014, 04:10 PM
Well, as I said, I just wrote what I've seen on other cards…

If those areas had thermal pads it doesn't mean that they were cooled… - remember, thermal pads have dual role: conduct heat and insulate… my point is that on those red-circled areas they were insulating… Maybe the EK block does not come so close that insulation would be necessary...

Rockford
03-15-2014, 04:11 PM
here are the stock titan heatsink, not the black version..

i dont know which changes has been made to the PCB when it comes to the black version..

here you can see which areas that are "padded"

Check your cooler

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Arne Saknussemm
03-15-2014, 04:14 PM
Sure, I would presume they know what they are doing but it doesn't hurt to check so I wrote them etc. will post up what they reply of course...that way if anyone else has the concern they can get the answer at ROG first...:)

I posted question here just in case the pics in the email are blocked and stripped...spam countermeasure being what they are these days...

Rockford
03-15-2014, 04:15 PM
Lol i find this kinda odd, when i look at it..

Arne Saknussemm
03-15-2014, 04:17 PM
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Yep exactly the same as Titan Black but with extra pad where green box is...

Rockford
03-15-2014, 04:17 PM
na, it makes sense..

Rockford
03-15-2014, 04:20 PM
so the second row is missing on the ek block (original titan pad setup)

and you stock black cooler got the second row padded?

Is there a stanoff/space on the blocks, for the second row?

post some pics?

Rockford
03-15-2014, 04:27 PM
Its not crowed with pics online, when it comes to the black

Arne Saknussemm
03-15-2014, 04:48 PM
Titan block on left TI block right....both the same more or less have standoff for pads....green boxes.

Titan Black....to match stock cooler should have second row of standoffs where red boxes are.

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But maybe it's simply not necessary? however the doubt entered my mind last night at some ungodly hour and I wrote them to make sure...because early Black cards appear to have nothing in that second row whereas later cards do....

red boxes would correspond to black pieces shown here behind mosfets which is what stock cooler has pads for....my block is exactly like this

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Early Titan Blacks had nothing in that second row...far right here...
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Rockford
03-15-2014, 08:28 PM
Its very hard to see from here, only by pics..

But i would be surprised if EKWB had missed some of the mosfets.

pads can also be used for insulation, just as Z said..

The most common components to chill on a vga card, is the mem, mosfets / I/O, MEM,GPU, and the core

Resistors and other stuff, sometimes can gets baked in, because they live door to door (so to speak), even if the instructions are followed with great care..

Rockford
03-15-2014, 08:31 PM
the pics are in poor res, but from what i can see at the black version (thread page 4), is that the second row seem to hold resistors..

so only check that they dont are in physical contact with the block, and all should be fine..

skip any pad/TIM combo it only cause a mess..

Its your cards, so dont take my word for everything i just said, its from what i can see over here, judging from the pics..

Note> Blocks can have a bad fit from factory, never assume that everything is prefect, only beacuse its brand new..

I have got VGA blocks from EKWB with misaligned standoffs (brand new)

in the end its you call, to check that things are ok (before tightening the screws completely)

Machines never fck up, people do..

You will fix this, i am sure......

dont forget>Ground yourself before messing with the cards..

Arne Saknussemm
03-15-2014, 09:24 PM
Yes, I'm pretty sure they will have done their homework....It's just the difference between the first batch of cards and the later ones that made me think....I have written them so wait for answer.

The blocks line up great I'll just wait for confirmation before I fire the card up...

Rockford
03-15-2014, 09:28 PM
yes, thats wise...

Rockford
03-15-2014, 09:30 PM
the right block (above), miss a cut for some capacitors.. which is present on your version of the card? (the caps.)

You would have noticed straight away, if the block wouldn't fit..

Arne Saknussemm
03-15-2014, 09:34 PM
Yes the original Titan block looks very similar but some small but critical differences. The offset capacitor is one, the length of the mosfet standoffs is another...

Arne Saknussemm
03-18-2014, 04:45 PM
Titan
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Titan Black
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Rockford
03-18-2014, 04:50 PM
Ok, does the waterblock fit the the xtra row of pads, so it dont create a "unnatural" standoff, interfering with the other surrounding components contact?

then the question remains, is it for insulation, or cooling? the second row.. Do you got a good photo of the PCB?

you can spot deep prints in the second row..

Rockford
03-18-2014, 04:56 PM
?? is this the one

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Rockford
03-18-2014, 04:58 PM
if you waterblock allow for the space, it cant hurt to add the second row of pads

speculating now

at least the block should have cuts for that row, since its obviously making contact with the stock cooler

Arne Saknussemm
03-18-2014, 05:01 PM
Well yes and no...this is the whole point....early Titan Blacks...the ones in the review have no black squares in that line behind the mosfets...

But later ones do... I didn't take a shot of the PCB myself but it is like this one

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See those black things now in the second row....they are the ones you can see the imprint of in the second thermal pad.
The block has no dual row...the mosfets have a standoff and thermal pads....some things that have no thermal pad on the original block have thermal pads on the EK block but this second row with black bits in it is uncovered...

Arne Saknussemm
03-18-2014, 05:04 PM
if you waterblock allow for the space, it cant hurt to add the second row of pads

speculating now

at least the block should have a cut for that row, since its obviously making contact with the stock cooler

Yes except they are so mean with the thermal pads and there is no standoff....I would have to use the last of the thermal pad making a sandwich and taking off the block would no doubt screw up some thermal pads and I'd be waiting for delivery...


Still waiting for an answer from EK...wrote them on the weekend....tick tock...

Rockford
03-18-2014, 05:06 PM
Please share the answer later..

Can it be that your blocks, are for the first rev. of these cards?

i am all gone in the head now, with titan black, second row, waterblock, pads where and where not ..lol

Arne Saknussemm
03-18-2014, 05:11 PM
LOL me too....my guess is that second row is unimportant no heat but I would like to know for sure before toasting :eek:

Of course if I hear back I'll post...

Rockford
03-18-2014, 05:14 PM
a PCB move, sensitive components should not have direct contact with a rough hard surface 24/7

:cool:

and the "crack" noise when tightening the block, OPS bad fit

Many cards killed with fullcover blocks out there

Arne Saknussemm
03-18-2014, 05:29 PM
Thanks Paw....I'll sleep better tonight LOL ;)

Arne Saknussemm
03-19-2014, 10:03 AM
OK so no problem!!...with this second thermal pad....

"Dear customer,Thank you for contacting EK Support.You don't need thermal pads on the right side as this is only placed by ASUS to have a gap between and to avoid any short circuit. 780ti waterblock is compatible with Titan Black.If you need any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me.Lep pozdrav, Kind regards, MFG! "

Zka17
03-19-2014, 11:09 AM
Yeah, as I suspected that pad is more for insulation...

So, you're good to go! :)

Arne Saknussemm
03-19-2014, 04:36 PM
Yes! let's see what this Titan Black can do....is it the dark energy missing in the universe or is it just a charrred Titan...like the leftover sausage on Nvidia's barbecue...

Menthol
03-20-2014, 11:55 PM
Reheated left overs always taste better

Arne Saknussemm
03-21-2014, 06:19 AM
Menthol!...hehe you've gone Benjamin Button on us :D

twisted1
03-21-2014, 09:44 AM
Your lucky day A, i did some browsing, and found you new 120mm PWM fans..

Its really re branded Noctuas ;)

250cfm is kinda poor, but if you go Push and Pull then it might be enough..

You probably going to get some now, but dont connect them to you mobo fan headers, i know its a BE board, but just to be on the safe side. and remove that sissy grill, they only obstruct the air flow..

I got 12 pcs of those, but the high RPM version.. Good stuff

Purchase link>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jou-Jye-Computer-BW-1238B-PWM-Ventilatore-per-cabinet-120-mm-BW-1238B-PWM-/271407804049?pt=Altro_Elettronica_di_Consumo&hash=item3f312a6e91


http://youtu.be/ceK0ZdXbCb8

What the hell are you gonna use those for? And I though my 9 Ultra Kazes where loud!

Everyone's going black now that I'm on R4E, scared? ;) lol

Rockford
03-21-2014, 01:30 PM
4930K is 200mhz faster roughly..

4930K= 4700mhz
3930k = 4900mhz

= same same


Arne how are the block mounting going?

twisted1
03-21-2014, 01:32 PM
4930K is only 200mhz faster roughly..

4930K= 4700mhz
3930k = 4900mhz

= same same


Arne how are the block mounting going?

That's why I went with SB-E, 5Ghz Ivy-E's are not that common. While SB-E's usually do 5,2G w/o problem.

Rockford
03-21-2014, 01:34 PM
yes..

Arne Saknussemm
03-21-2014, 06:11 PM
4930K is 200mhz faster roughly..

4930K= 4700mhz
3930k = 4900mhz

= same same


Arne how are the block mounting going?

Hmm when we did the last HiViz comp IB-E was pretty much close to 300mhz on SB-E...that's kind of why I finally caved.....especially as I've seen quite a few 4.8 4.9 IB-Es lately....are they getting better?

The block is mounted and leak tested...it is even in place now on the board but the bench needs a clean and tidying to Paw standards and I'm off to the beach for the weekend so photo's soon...

twisted1
03-21-2014, 06:21 PM
Hmm when we did the last HiViz comp IB-E was pretty much close to 300mhz on SB-E...that's kind of why I finally caved.....especially as I've seen quite a few 4.8 4.9 IB-Es lately....are they getting better?

The block is mounted and leak tested...it is even in place now on the board but the bench needs a clean and tidying to Paw standards and I'm off to the beach for the weekend so photo's soon...

The IB-E's also have much stronger IMC's, way better then on regular Ivy's. 3000Mhz seems to be no problemo on most of them.

And so what if you end up with a chip that's just a little bit faster, the fun part is learning a new setup and tuning that. You might have to get you some proper RAM(quad PSC kicks ass :) )

darkage
03-21-2014, 06:35 PM
IB-E is stronger, just look at the 3dmark Wall of fame they allmost banned the SB-e from there :-)

Arne Saknussemm
03-21-2014, 06:42 PM
And so what if you end up with a chip that's just a little bit faster, the fun part is learning a new setup and tuning that. You might have to get you some proper RAM(quad PSC kicks ass :) )

Yeah this was the other thing...the main thing really...just wanted something new to play with...new challenge

The RAM yeah I have to look into what works well.....the new G.Skill kits for the board are faster MHz but lose timings? Pure marketing or is there something else...

I shall be asking you RAM hounds questions....


IB-E is stronger, just look at the 3dmark Wall of fame they allmost banned the SB-e from there :-)

Is that right? hmm I guess the good IB-Es show their hand...

Rockford
03-21-2014, 07:28 PM
ok, i was trying to remember the clocks..


so it was 300mhz?, Oki

Arne Saknussemm
03-21-2014, 08:13 PM
Probably somewhere in that range...200-300...the comp did seem to be more 300 from Dartmaul and Menthol etc. going on CPU score from vantage anyway...

twisted1
03-21-2014, 09:20 PM
Yeah this was the other thing...the main thing really...just wanted something new to play with...new challenge

The RAM yeah I have to look into what works well.....the new G.Skill kits for the board are faster MHz but lose timings? Pure marketing or is there something else...

I shall be asking you RAM hounds questions....



Is that right? hmm I guess the good IB-Es show their hand...

The really highly rated 3000Mhz kits are crap, they're Hynix MFR which is very crappy. Only Mhz. There aren't really alot of really good mem beeing manufactured, you can find real gem's on sites like e-bay though. That's where I got mine.

Ask Menthol what he's running, I've seen 3000Mhz in some of his Ivy-E benches.

Or Paw, he's modest about it but he knows alot about alot of things, ie. RAM.

I hear Hiviz has some G.skill Pi kit's for sale also, those are PSC like the ones I got 4 of. They do 2400Mhz CL7.

Arne Saknussemm
03-21-2014, 09:29 PM
Yes I'll have to scout about...paw already recommended me a Dom GT set I'll have to try and get my hands on...I will ask Menthol...he was good enough to send me some Pi sticks and they did 2400 tight PSC timings cas 7 but only up to 4.9GHz with my SB-E....have to see how they behave with IB-E...

Rockford
03-21-2014, 09:32 PM
if you guys really want to OC mem, chill the sticks, lower voltages, lower latancy, and less damage

the right doms are just as good as the PI (even better), and a lower price..

mem with stock heatspreaders is like a GPU with the stock cooler, how high can you oc that one before its starting to crash?

Arne Saknussemm
03-21-2014, 09:38 PM
That is probably true.....need cold....it is beach weather here already....don't know how I am supposed to bench...have to get some chill...

Rockford
03-21-2014, 09:41 PM
Arne for 2 years you have said> damn i need some chill

From ice bucket to 1080

Take the step.......

Arne Saknussemm
03-21-2014, 09:43 PM
That is true...:o...I keep buying hardware...

Rockford
03-21-2014, 09:45 PM
Tell me about it......;)

twisted1
03-21-2014, 09:52 PM
That is true...:o...I keep buying hardware...

Welcome to the "spending all my $$ on hardware" club, Arne. I'm a member also :)

Rockford
03-21-2014, 09:53 PM
i am getting a chiller..

it wont be a massive chill, but fully enough for some benchmarking RB, 2D

Running a naked haswell mount, with any IHS, so the chill gets in there alright..

I have noticed through out the years, that if you GPU is max 18c or 28c max load, really doesn't make that much of a difference when it comes to OC range.. but above 30c and it start to go downhill slowly.. +40c = your screwed

I think by taking advantage of the chill, and really get in in there, where its needed is the way to go.. Less brute force, and more high tech..

the chiller will only be turned on, when i do benchmarking, 24/7 and its passive (running on a rad)

twisted1
03-21-2014, 09:54 PM
if you guys really want to OC mem, chill the sticks, lower voltages, lower latancy, and less damage

the right doms are just as good as the PI (even better), and a lower price..

mem with stock heatspreaders is like a GPU with the stock cooler, how high can you oc that one before its starting to crash?

This RAM tweaking is addictive, I'm leaning more and more to some RAM blocks.

Need to get MB blocks for the R4E first, and a proper benchtable, my ghettobench is getting way to crowded.

Rockford
03-21-2014, 09:56 PM
Yeah..

Blew my welfare check on HW, can i have another one?

;)

sure your Swedish, ain't you?.... have 3

Arne Saknussemm
03-22-2014, 07:21 AM
I think chiller is the way I will go too....stay in the enthusiast league and less hassle with preparing board with all sorts of gunk...

I think it's a good next step

What volts are you guys putting through your RAM? I put 1.8 through the Pi RAM and it was only just warm under a couple of fans....

Zka17
03-22-2014, 07:46 AM
Chiller is a good way to stay in the Enthusiast League... just keep your eye on the dew point if you don't insulate your board...

Pis are still OK under a fan with 1.85V for me...

Arne Saknussemm
03-22-2014, 07:54 AM
Did you insulate your board with the chiller Z? Or is it enough to wrap the tubing for benching sessions?

Zka17
03-22-2014, 08:28 AM
Nope, I was looking at the dew point, never went below that... - it's about 10-15C below the ambient (but still above 0C, so it's good for the Enthusiast League), depending on the relative humidity...

Arne Saknussemm
03-23-2014, 02:30 PM
Thanks Zka17! Yeah, that seems simple enough..and here as the temps go higher the aircon comes on and then humidity gets sucked out of the air quite effectively anyway and a bit of lagging is no prob...

Menthol
03-23-2014, 03:13 PM
Waiting on some pictures Arne?
I have only had to worry about dew point the couple times it has rained here, very dry climate where I'm living now. Just be careful as it's easy to get used to upping the voltage to squeeze a couple more mhz, follow Paw's and Z's advice and never ever under any circumstance listen to my advice and you will be alright

Arne Saknussemm
03-23-2014, 03:52 PM
Yes, I'll get some pics out this week if its finished.....still waiting on all black cables...

And the volts....I won't go mad....I'm rather thinking that I would stick at the same volts as before...just do so more comfortably...if I ever approach one of your scores I'll know I've left caution behind LOL ;)

ObscureParadox-OC
03-24-2014, 01:07 AM
Nope, I was looking at the dew point, never went below that... - it's about 10-15C below the ambient (but still above 0C, so it's good for the Enthusiast League), depending on the relative humidity...

Anything sub ambient isn't allowed in the enthusiast league. If you're using water chillers or any other item that brings the temps sub ambient then you should be in the OC league.

Zka17
03-24-2014, 01:12 AM
Nah, the Enthusiasts League's rules allow the aquarium chillers as Haileas are... they won't go sub-zero and just compensate for those who can bench in very cold climates vs tropical climates...

Rockford
03-24-2014, 01:49 AM
;)

Enthusiasts league

Gobi dessert = phase charger
Svalbard = You need a heater

Zka17
03-24-2014, 02:58 AM
I saw that ObscureParadox has opened a thread in this subject on HWBOT. I have asked Massman and Christian to give us a straight answer...

I think Enthusiasts league should be about "above zero" cooling instead of "ambient"... "sub-zero" for Xtreme and Pro clockers... - would be easier, don't you think?

Rockford
03-24-2014, 03:10 AM
and subzero water cooling?

water cooling is enthusiast.. subzero xtreme

I had issues with this, because i run subzero water, or did

But i joined the OC league, after a while

because when you use -20c water, that is xtreme in my book..

anyone care for a shower?

Zka17
03-24-2014, 04:18 AM
Anything sub-zero should go to the OC League, I agree... but anything over zero is still Enthusiast League... - at least that's how I would like to see...

Arne Saknussemm
03-24-2014, 07:40 AM
I would think 0 degrees is the limit yes. Ambient doesn't mean anything if you are benching at Vostock. Need a fixed figure for division between Enthusiast and pro....zero degrees C seems a sensible place to fix that limit.

Rockford
03-24-2014, 12:49 PM
yes subzero should be the line i think, for OC or enthusiast..

Zka17
03-24-2014, 02:05 PM
look the thread on HWBOT: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=99459

ObscureParadox-OC
03-24-2014, 07:28 PM
I personally believe it should be anything sub ambient. I have benched with my water loop and had below 0c temps when it was around -15c in my area. This isn't something that effects me at all since I'm in the OC league anyway, but it does create an unfair advantage in the enthusiast league.

On a side not though, we could argue all day long about what is fair and what isn't when the fact is we can never create a 100% fair environment for the enthusiast league since someone from Yakutsk in Russia could easily get sub zero temperatures with a decent air cooler at certain times of the year. But without proof who is to say that he's sub zero? Also would he be sub zero throughout the entire benching session so should he be in the OC league or Enthusiast league?

For example, I was benching a 4870 on DICE but for my last run on 3DMark 03, the temps were 1c at the start of the bench and 17c by the end. The pot still had DICE in it but throughout the entire run it never went below 0c because I was in a rush to get that done before I moved on to something else. Where would I be placed then since I used DICE but I never went below 0c?

Zka17
03-24-2014, 07:47 PM
I think we do need to discuss about this - here and on HWBOT... It's true, there will be no 100% fair environment, but we can get close to that with proper rules...

And that argument about having a compressor, so it's OC League does not stand... I have both the Hailea chiller and the LD Phase Change unit, both of them have compressor - but they're not playing in the same category! The Hailea won't get below 4C while the phase change does easily -50C...

I was discussing with Paw about this before... I think, the term "water chiller" has to be clarified first... - although you may find industrial chillers which can go below 0C, those certainly are not using water... water start freezing below 0C, so would not run in your loop... Personally, when I'm talking about "water chiller", I mean those which run on WATER - so sub-zero is impossible with them...

Allowing these type of water chillers (which won't go sub-zero) in the Enthusiast League would just compensate for the geographical differences...

Rockford
03-24-2014, 08:02 PM
water work just fine down to -30c

In Swedish cars we use water in out radiators, all of us..

Zka17
03-24-2014, 08:10 PM
water work just fine down to -30c

In Swedish cars we use water in out radiators, all of us..

That's not pure water, mate... you're adding glycol to it...

Obviously you could add to the water-loop too, but then you will need to insulate your gear (when the ambient is above zero)... that's why I'm saying to make the limit between Enthusiasts and OC League by the 0C... sub-zero and above-zero...

The chillers above zero would just compensate for the discrepancies due to the geographical location/climate differences....

Rockford
03-24-2014, 08:13 PM
>>those certainly are not using water.

Arne Saknussemm
03-24-2014, 08:46 PM
At the end of the day the pic you upload at the BOT could be a million miles away from the reality of your benching and there will always be those who take advantage of that...nothing you can do about that without overcomplicating things so much the whole exercise becomes futile.

So you need some common sense boundaries. Ambient can range over 100 degrees on this planet so using that as a definition leaves a whole lot to be desired and will simply produce a geographical skew to the OC scores. Placing the cut off at X degrees ensures some semblance of a level playing field but how do you enforce X? Well since water has this marvellous property of freezing at 0 degrees this gives us a pretty good limit. We know no one running water or even water and anti freeze is going to be lower than -30 this is a long way off sublimating or boiling gasses...another category. Chillers simply allow for levelling the ambient playing field. If you go ambient you have to ban chillers, air conditioning, ice, meat lockers...outdoors?

Arne Saknussemm
03-24-2014, 09:51 PM
Well, it was always a danger...moving to blackness Arne has gone to the dark side...

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A box has arrived...

Rockford
03-24-2014, 10:34 PM
fire up your D700

proof that is wasn't your inflatable new girlfriend that arrived from flea bay

Menthol
03-24-2014, 11:56 PM
If were discussing points, I am still looking for my senior citizen points, where are they

Oh and Darth Vader doesn't look so scary with a Radeon sticker, where is the Nvidia inside? The way it's meant to be scary

Arne Saknussemm
03-25-2014, 04:28 PM
Like Christmas waiting for the release of these cards and then wouldn't you know it I left the CF cards for my camera behind at the beach.

I hate bad photos so just the one today while I get another card and believe me this card deserves good photos!

This is for chrsplmr...whose love of AMD has finally turned me...

And a bit for ObscureParadox-OC who seemed so concerned I would be short on benching fun :p

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This card is a serious bit of kit....stands head and shoulders taller off my bench than the Titan...weighs like it means business and is all black except for the flash of ROG red that we love...

:cool:

Myk SilentShadow
03-25-2014, 04:34 PM
And is apparently as bloody hot as the reference 290X, still jelly you got one Arne!

Arne Saknussemm
03-25-2014, 04:54 PM
I got excited about these cards, the Ti and this one, the moment they were announced....had to have one...or two...

My Titans were ASUS cards but these are ROG cards! and it was time to try something other than Nvidia.

By the time I'm finished with it, it'll be cooler than an Eskimo's codpiece...

Myk SilentShadow
03-25-2014, 04:57 PM
lol SS, phase or LN2?

Zka17
03-25-2014, 05:09 PM
It's cool, Arne! :cool:

Just push it… let's see who's one will go higher! :D

Arne Saknussemm
03-25-2014, 05:17 PM
lol SS, phase or LN2?

Hey, I said cooler than his codpiece not the tin toilet seat in his outhouse...not that cold...I think I'll stick with water and get a chiller...


let's see who's one will go higher! :D

Err we still talking GPUs right? Sounds like a recipe for see which one pops first :eek:...but sure I'll give you a run for your money...:cool:

Zka17
03-25-2014, 05:29 PM
Nah, obviously I thought: clocks higher SAFELY! :p

Really curious about it, please share as much you can about it… - specially temps...

darkage
03-25-2014, 06:05 PM
z nvidia just realeased a titan for you titan Z 3000usd :-)
you dont come cheap hein z?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEVIsxkw1E&feature=em-uploademail

Arne Saknussemm
03-25-2014, 06:33 PM
specially temps...

Yes, interested to see this for myself....at any rate I can't wait for EK to release the full card blocks!!

LOL Zka edition Titan

Zka17
03-25-2014, 06:35 PM
Yes, they did it! :D

Now I have to discuss with them about using that "Z" without my permission...

Rockford
03-25-2014, 07:22 PM
very nice card.......

Rumor on the street says its the new king of the crest..

Zka17
03-25-2014, 07:37 PM
I still would like to see a comparison of this new Titan Z vs regular/first gen Titans in 2-way SLI...

darkage
03-25-2014, 07:45 PM
i think that in the next few days that will be the "commom" test the Z (the non rog x oc) against two normal T's

Arne Saknussemm
03-25-2014, 07:48 PM
Revision B of GK110 is powerful and beats the earlier A handily...so if this is two revision B cores then it might well have the edge on Titan SLI unless they have clocked the cores lower or reigned in power drastically (wonder what power connections it has? )But it wont beat Ti SLI or Titan Black SLI...or will it....the price is intriguing :confused: you could do tri Titan Black for the price of one of these...have they tweaked it that much....doubt it...

Arne Saknussemm
03-25-2014, 09:40 PM
Just seen this http://www.ekwb.com/news/453/19/EK-introduces-Indigo-XS-ultra-performance-engineered-thermal-interface/

I want some...but why no LGA2011?

Henkenator68NL
03-26-2014, 07:50 AM
Just seen this http://www.ekwb.com/news/453/19/EK-introduces-Indigo-XS-ultra-performance-engineered-thermal-interface/

I want some...but why no LGA2011?

Wow I didn't notice that before hmmm checking the bank account .... No Non not now Henk (I said to myself) :cool:

But indeed strange that lga2011 is not supported, I guess because the main stream uses 115X...

Arne Saknussemm
03-26-2014, 08:28 AM
No Non not now Henk (I said to myself)

LOL henk! looks good stuff...don't understand the lack of 2011...maybe coming? hope so...

Zka17
03-26-2014, 09:37 AM
Arne, Indigo Extreme does exists for LGA2011 too:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=46_58_1097&products_id=34666
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=46_58_1097&products_id=33424

Also you have this one:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=46_58_1100&products_id=27832

This is a US store, but I'm sure you can find them in Europe too...

Arne Saknussemm
03-26-2014, 10:54 AM
Yeah but that stuff is 40 Polars per square inch compared to 20 for the Indigo xtreme or whatever the units are...W/mk

Zka17
03-26-2014, 12:20 PM
But you don't want the higher thermal conductivity?

graphic
03-26-2014, 12:37 PM
yeah I bought the Indigo Extreme, never used it before, will
be interesting to see my results....

Arne Saknussemm
03-26-2014, 05:08 PM
But you don't want the higher thermal conductivity?

Err yes!..is it a trick question ;)

As promised some pics (nerd porn) of the Matrix...it is a beautiful card!

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Arne Saknussemm
03-26-2014, 05:18 PM
Its a lot taller (on a bench) or wider (in a case) than your average card....I guess to keep the cooling fin area up there with the triple slot cards they made it dual slot which is perfect and widened it. the result is like one of those great Cadillacs!

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Arne Saknussemm
03-26-2014, 05:26 PM
The ROG light....glows cool blue at low load and changes up through orange, medium load, to red for Vantage benching!:cool:

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DP HDMI and dual DVI-D...frankly I wish they'd leave HDMI off and change one of the DVI-Ds.... 2 or 3 DP would be great!

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The LN2 switch for when you need more volts than Frankenstein's monster and you're going coooold!

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And this end is interesting....room to solder something in there if your brave/foolhardy/willing to waive your guarantee! And the safe mode which stops nuclear melt down and/or wormholes opening to other dimensions when this thing is cranked up!

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twisted1
03-26-2014, 06:04 PM
Hmmm, I really like that card. And I also like my 7970 matrixes, tempting :)

Arne Saknussemm
03-26-2014, 08:25 PM
You hotwire those matrix of yours twisted1? You seemed to get a lot out of them right?....I'm already thinking of getting another one of these cards..if this performs well... especially on water...

twisted1
03-26-2014, 09:17 PM
They're hotwired! No need for soldering, there are little connectors like the ones on ROG mb's for Vcheck.

The hotwire really didn't help though, the voltage range in GPU tweak is plenty for regular cooling. Yes they bench stable @1350Mhz core. With some chiller help from mother nature I've got them benching @1370Mhz.

Since the 290X cards run pretty hot I think you'll benefit lot's from putting them under water. And some chill on top of that, they will be beasts!

Menthol
03-27-2014, 02:37 AM
Uh what did I miss, where did the Titan Blacks go?

Zka17
03-27-2014, 02:49 AM
Nah, I don't think that those hotwire spots were meant for air- or water-cooling...

Arne Saknussemm
03-27-2014, 07:30 AM
you'll benefit lot's from putting them under water. And some chill on top of that, they will be beasts!

Yeah, I think that is definitely the way to go with these cards...come on EK....


Uh what did I miss, where did the Titan Blacks go?

Heh heh Titan Black still there....competing for space on the bench....second "something" will be added let's see which....

Let me have a couple of cards to bench no? This from Menthol-I've-had-more-cards-than-you've-had-hot-dinners :DLOL

twisted1
03-27-2014, 02:49 PM
Yeah, I think that is definitely the way to go with these cards...come on EK....


A universal VGA block will work just as good as long as you have heatsinks and a fan on the VRM's.

I always use universal blocks for all the old card's I have(would be broke if I bought fullcovers for all of them) They cool the gpu as good or better :)

Menthol
03-27-2014, 03:06 PM
Yeah, I think that is definitely the way to go with these cards...come on EK....



Heh heh Titan Black still there....competing for space on the bench....second "something" will be added let's see which....

Let me have a couple of cards to bench no? This from Menthol-I've-had-more-cards-than-you've-had-hot-dinners :DLOL
The more the merrier
Just didn't know you got this card, definitely the best looking card, Pitch Black has some color

Rockford
03-27-2014, 04:24 PM
http://youtu.be/TRVaU9X0rOs

Arne Saknussemm
03-27-2014, 05:31 PM
A universal VGA block will work just as good as long as you have heatsinks and a fan on the VRM's.

I always use universal blocks for all the old card's I have(would be broke if I bought fullcovers for all of them) They cool the gpu as good or better :)

I have a very nice HWBOT edition here...I will put it on while I wait for full block...but I have done both and you can't beat a full block....

Will do a bit of air clocking first...I always run the card for a bit to see if it's working....wear it in


definitely the best looking card, Pitch Black has some color

Just pulling your leg Menthol!:o yep the splash of red I aluded to earlier....

I am working on Pitch Black and Black n Red and white (nickel)...the colours of the forum....waiting for cables...will post pics as I get them...

Arne Saknussemm
03-27-2014, 05:32 PM
Paw!:confused: not sure what you're trying to say :D

Arne Saknussemm
03-28-2014, 01:10 PM
So the journey to the dark side begins...powered by AMD

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Let the card idle for a bit 20 degrees ambient out on a bench rig...34 degrees. Checked out the ASIC value which may or may not tell you much about the card. All I know all my good clocking cards on water have been 70 to 75....this one 76...perfect! (maybe...whatever...)

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Zka17
03-28-2014, 01:16 PM
Arne, what driver are you using for that Matrix? It seems different than the one one disk it came with...

Rockford
03-28-2014, 01:22 PM
you know what you have to do now..

This cooler and 1,6v on the core (Dont forget the AS5)

Vantage... off weeee goooooo...

Whats that smell> Its HOT PCB, whats the smoke??, EHH i dunno

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Arne Saknussemm
03-28-2014, 01:27 PM
Arne, what driver are you using for that Matrix? It seems different than the one one disk it came with...

It is the latest beta 14.3...since I am an AMD noob i just thought I'd try their latest one and see if it sucked or blew vantage away...


you know what you have to do now..

This cooler and 1,6v on the core (Dont forget the AS5)

Vantage... off weeee goooooo...

LOL...I think I'm going to take it steadier than that...but in a while....

Any of you AMD wizzards point me to a good source on AMD tweaks...tessellation etc. etc. so I can get up to speed on AMD benching?

Rockford
03-28-2014, 01:28 PM
3d mark 11, and heaven

Disable tessellation in catalyst control center

keep the core as cool as possible..

non idea to push it at over 40c anyway, the gain is not more than max 50mhz anyway, before artifacts starts

chilled H2O = 400mhz OC Sure

twisted1
03-28-2014, 03:21 PM
Here's how your CCC should look Arne,

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And here's a link to the set LOD app, useful for some benchmarks. Think it only works on DX9 for AMD.

http://elmor.se/files/SetLODb6.zip

And speaking of LOD,

http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=931&page=9

Don't know if those values apply to AMD to but at least it's a starter.

Rockford
03-28-2014, 03:26 PM
yes...

thanks for showing Twist

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Rockford
03-28-2014, 03:27 PM
radeon are fun to OC

twisted1
03-28-2014, 03:29 PM
you know what you have to do now..

This cooler and 1,6v on the core (Dont forget the AS5)

Vantage... off weeee goooooo...

Whats that smell> Its HOT PCB, whats the smoke??, EHH i dunno

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I was looking at that cooler the other day, I could smell the burning VRM's a mile a way. I really doubt that it will work. And as a universal solution, I think not.

Rockford
03-28-2014, 03:30 PM
Artic = Uber crap

twisted1
03-28-2014, 03:31 PM
radeon are fun to OC

Absolutely, 925Mhz stock and my matrix @1370Mhz, pretty good increase there :)

twisted1
03-28-2014, 03:34 PM
radeon are fun to OC

Absolutely, 925Mhz stock and my matrix @1370Mhz, pretty good increase there :) (1330mhz for gaming)

Arne Saknussemm
03-28-2014, 03:35 PM
Hey thanks Twisted1 and Paw...OK I'll get onto that later. Will start stock and on full fat Win 8 install and then work to some OCing and strippers....err...stripped OS and tweaks..the usual fun...

Just doing Win 8 updates...yawn...

Arne Saknussemm
03-28-2014, 05:35 PM
OK so first bench on AMD, Firestrike 9914

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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2764342

This is a 3930K stock and stock card as it comes out of the box.....pretty good.....considering this is a Titan Black score stock 3930K and stock card out of the box

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That's too close to call...so if you want top performance out of the box no tweaking around and don't want to pay Titan prices....well....

Max temp during that run was 69 degrees (20 ambient stock fan profile and I'm on a bench)

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Arne Saknussemm
03-28-2014, 06:17 PM
Realbench....again stock everything. 77203...not bad.

Open CL score for this card 73784......for Titan?....37693.....Nvidia, green with ENVY....poor poor driver support :(

Submitting to the BOT...cos we wants Realbench scoring pointses my precious!

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chrsplmr
03-28-2014, 08:01 PM
Like Christmas waiting for the release of these cards and then wouldn't you know it I left the CF cards for my camera behind at the beach.

I hate bad photos so just the one today while I get another card and believe me this card deserves good photos!

This is for chrsplmr...whose love of AMD has finally turned me...

And a bit for ObscureParadox-OC who seemed so concerned I would be short on benching fun :p

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This card is a serious bit of kit....stands head and shoulders taller off my bench than the Titan...weighs like it means business and is all black except for the flash of ROG red that we love...

:cool:
Welcome to the Light myBrother ..
You will never wish to peer into the Darkness again !!! Get Ur OC on bro .. drool'n from here. Congrats. .c.

twisted1
03-28-2014, 08:25 PM
Realbench....again stock everything. 77203...not bad.

Open CL score for this card 73784......for Titan?....37693.....Nvidia, green with ENVY....poor poor driver support :(

Submitting to the BOT...cos we wants Realbench scoring pointses my precious!

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My two 7970's @1300Mhz gave 116437p in CL score, so that's a really good score for a single card at stock.

BTW. How's the SB-E working on the RIVEB? I was tempted to buy a RIVEB but ended up getting a RIVE since SB-E is said not to work so good on the RIVEB.

Arne Saknussemm
03-28-2014, 08:49 PM
Welcome to the Light myBrother

Thanks chrs! :D:D


BTW. How's the SB-E working on the RIVEB? I was tempted to buy a RIVEB but ended up getting a RIVE since SB-E is said not to work so good on the RIVEB.

I have it running at stock only not OCd it yet...I have an IB-E coming this week so might not get time before it's swapped out and shipped off...I'm saying goodbye to SB-E...

Quick OC here...on the GPU
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Max temp 67 100% fans and they aren't that loud at all...

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901 points better off....not bad for a start...

Voltage set at 1.3 but actuall max was 1.237

twisted1
03-28-2014, 09:23 PM
That's a good OC Arne! :)

Rockford
03-28-2014, 09:25 PM
1,3v is good for <1300mhz water

My 680 RIP, when i did the 1580mhz vantage, voltage was set to 1,56v-1,57v water (max load temp 28c)

Damn those jetflo's, flooded my card with polluted oil

red screen of death, and RIP

card runs, but no I/O, the oil flooded that area of the card

Rockford
03-28-2014, 09:38 PM
1530mhz Heaven.. no artifacts, and no artifacts in vantage either at 1580mhz

I had no multimeter at that time, so i couldn't set the mem voltage

I am sure that card would have made 1600mhz on water..

but i never got the chance.. typical.. or when i buy a card, the voltage limit is not high enough, i never get to OC / lost my religion

I buy a brand new card.. 1,3v max allowed, 3d mark 1300mhz straight away (first run), when its time to start OC, no more voltage.. &¤/&

so why bother, really..

sorry for this, just had to blow..

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Arne Saknussemm
03-28-2014, 10:08 PM
Shame about the 680 really is...yes water is the way for these cards I'm sure and cold water if you can get it....I really think I have to shell out for a chiller..

that was a quick and dirty OC....just off the top of my head numbers really but it was a good guess because 1.3v would not get me 1180 on the core...

is that good, bad, indifferent....not used to AMD clocks or voltages....but the temp was max 67 so room to spare right?

Zka17! let me know what you get out of yours round about the same voltage....

Rockford
03-28-2014, 10:13 PM
for ocing you need to be lower than 40c max load, you know this already

79/R200 series (the ones i have tested), have been running at about 1,3v 1300mhz on water

67c is way too high, for benchmarking with the focus on points and ranks

above 40c and it goes downhill, and fast, instability, artifacts, high voltages, damage? and so on

Arne Saknussemm
03-28-2014, 10:16 PM
Yes, I mean relatively speaking...for air....I have grown so used to the comfort of running on water I don't really know how I ever OC'd on air...but many do this so they might find the information useful...always good to have some idea...some benchmark ...

Zka17
03-29-2014, 05:11 AM
Arne, I'm doing a detailed description on how I'm learning to tweak the Matrix... it is actually the same, same steps for other cards too - link in my signature... (already working on the next post, coming soon)

Paw, the theory about 40C max on load is a sweet dream for the R9 290X cards... at least on air-cooling is a dream for sure! I guess, Arne will get to the water-cooling faster than me, let's see there...

Rockford
03-29-2014, 08:20 AM
depends on the cooling Z

I dont think the 290x should cause any problems at all, with a good h2o setup?

Arne Saknussemm
03-29-2014, 12:30 PM
1,3v is good for <1300mhz water

Paw, is that with LLC off...like straight 1.3v 1300 or is that with LLC on and the same sort of voltage drop...

Rockford
03-29-2014, 01:23 PM
adjustable LLC? that luxury :D

i really dont know what voltage the 290x want.. havent tested that chip yet..

i miss one thing, why cant they make the gpu bios, like the mobo bios?

So you can enter the settings, just like the mobo bios.. timings, LLC, voltages, and so on

Zka17
03-29-2014, 02:13 PM
depends on the cooling Z

I dont think the 290x should cause any problems at all, with a good h2o setup?

LOL, in my mail I have your original post... - yeah obviously it depends on cooling! But these 290X series are hot... beyond any imagination...
A 280X is practically a HD7970, that wasn't so hot... but this 290X is a different generation...

I still hope that a good water loop will make these cards to fly... (well, in a good way)

Arne, just be careful with the LLC on the 290X Matrix... my first trials weren't so good...

Rockford
03-29-2014, 04:34 PM
??, no particular edit? or important stuff..?

LOL on..

Arne Saknussemm
03-29-2014, 04:43 PM
i miss one thing, why cant they make the gpu bios, like the mobo bios?

So you can enter the settings, just like the mobo bios.. timings, LLC, voltages, and so on

Yes...absolutely this!



Arne, just be careful with the LLC on the 290X Matrix... my first trials weren't so good...

So, tell all...can't leave that cliff hanger...I went to your thread and nada!:p

Arne Saknussemm
03-29-2014, 06:39 PM
Hmmm....

http://shop.dimastech.it/dimastech-evo-beast-controlled

or

http://www.aquatuning.co.uk/product_info.php/info/p2693_waterchiller-Hailea-Ultra-Titan-1500--HC500-790Watt-cooling-capacity-.html

......

graphic
03-29-2014, 09:21 PM
either look very cool, not sure about 24/7 though ?????
water chiller might be better for 24/7, I noticed he was
getting a bit if condensation so really don't want to be running bellow ambient temp......
in that link that guy's pc was extreme, but seemed very noisy.
depends what your environment is like but I prefer quiet

Arne Saknussemm
03-29-2014, 09:39 PM
Yes I prefer quiet...either would only be on for benching sessions...I'm just having a hard time deciding between the two...the phase change is tempting because it could possibly squeeze out a bit more performance from the CPU but the chiller can cool CPU and GPUs...

flip flopping on this one...

kkn
03-29-2014, 10:26 PM
chiller, so that way you dont have to pull off the phazer every thime your going to do other things for example.
or get a new mobo for just the phaze changer and bench like a pro on it and use current forgaming/webbing?.

Arne Saknussemm
03-29-2014, 10:36 PM
Yes I might be tipped slightly more that way...less prep etc...can cool whole system on one loop...but the extra chill....but then you might as well go full LN2

kkn
03-29-2014, 10:46 PM
that comes down to the question of cost's arne. ( the LN2 part )
then it would be bether whit a phaze changer, but you have all the prep back and forth.

Rockford
03-30-2014, 01:07 AM
chiller

Rockford
03-30-2014, 01:21 AM
i believe the chiller also will cause condensation on your HW, if you running the stuff very cool for long periods, You place is a warm place.. extra caution in a case built computer

Add a rad in the chiller loop, when you want to benchmark, launch the chiller, and kill the rad fans..

very versatile..

And i think the chiller will be able to allow you to OC pretty ok, neither you or me are overfond of high voltages anyway.. we appreciate and value the HW

Build the loop with your head, and i am sure you will be able to take advantage of the temps the chiller provide, you got the knowledge and skills..

David and Goliath

Good luck

TL@ASUS
03-30-2014, 02:24 AM
LLC on matrix 290x are enable by default and can be disabled by GPUTweak
check out the testing by poparamiro

LLC disable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lybDE6ZpACo

LLC enable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGUJKhqKGQc

Zka17
03-30-2014, 05:33 AM
So, tell all...can't leave that cliff hanger...I went to your thread and nada!:p

Oh, you have checked my thread too early... :D
Just posted the experience with Power Target settings... Load Line will be next - just need some more work on it...

Arne Saknussemm
03-30-2014, 09:08 AM
the chiller will be able to allow you to OC pretty ok, neither you or me are overfond of high voltages anyway.. we appreciate and value the HW

Yes very true...not really looking to do much more than run more comfortably than I can with the high ambient here...and phase change would knock you up to Xtreme at the BOT but leave you competing with real extreme LN2 so lose lose really there...

But the condensation question is a worry...high ambient and humidity here...while controlling condensation on the CPU block is easy...it is not for the GPU blocks...their vertical orientation and room to form condensation next to the PCB have me wondering. Maybe phase change on the CPU and water for the GPU blocks....I would have 2 360s cooling one or two cards.

Using a dew point calculator..at 70% humidity 26 degree ambient gives a dew point of 20 so not a great distance to start with condensation...

Now that I've started thinking about this it's more difficult than I imagined..




check out the testing by poparamiro

Thanks TL ! That is interesting info for benching...


Load Line will be next - just need some more work on it...

Come on Z...hurry up! ;)

Zka17
03-30-2014, 01:37 PM
Using a dew point calculator..at 70% humidity 26 degree ambient gives a dew point of 20 so not a great distance to start with condensation...

Yeap, you will need to have AC in that room! That can bring down the temps to 20C and humidity to 50%... - then you should get around 10-12C lower temps on the coolant before it would start causing condensation...

Arne Saknussemm
03-30-2014, 07:29 PM
Yes...I guess so...although with all that energy, air con and chiller, might just as well get phase change or go LN2...

50% humidity changes a lot can get down to 4 degrees at 19-20 degrees room temp but in summer here that mean air con all day...

Zka17
03-30-2014, 11:31 PM
Maybe insulation of the system is a less expensive option than AC...

Here we need to run the AC anyway, so using the chiller wasn't so complicated for me...

Arne Saknussemm
03-31-2014, 04:29 PM
An important thing to remember when OCing is to listen to your gear....it will tell you when it is happy. Each CPU and GPU has a sweet spot where it will perform best. Maybe this isn't as good as your mates card down the road but pushing it is sometimes counter productive.

I guess I must be getting better at this OCing stuff because my OC the other day was a pure gut feeling..."this ought to be about right" and it turns out it was. I have pushed the card to 1.33v I have pushed the memory to 6500 I have pushed the core to 1200 I have disabled LLC..and guess what lower scores! More heat, artifacting, black screen disabling LLC...all signs that, on air at least I have pushed the card too far or too far for the stock CPU setting.

The card was running...finishing benchmarks but with lower performance...dial it back to where it's happy and you get top score...

35199

35200

Menthol
03-31-2014, 06:48 PM
Arne,
How is your CPU, have you done any OC on it yet?

Arne Saknussemm
03-31-2014, 08:09 PM
I tried to OC the 3930K in the RIVBE this afternoon and booted OK at 5.1GHz but benching it just shut off and I am suspecting I have to find some other RAM settings or some other RAM....If I set the RAM Manually as I had it on the RIVE it simply wont boot so something is up....

I am running stock CPU and XMP and all is well....5.1 and XMP sudden shut-off!?

Want my IB-E to arrive I suspect that is the key to happiness on this board.

After playing about with the 290X on 100% fans for a bit I was craving some silence...

Swapped over to my Titan Black which is now watercooled and has the bill of health from EK regarding thermal pad placement...

Watercooling is a joy! Silence and performance. And I am well happy with the Titan black.

Same stock CPU 3.8GHz

35206

35207

That is stock Nvidia voltage (i.e.with the plus 75mv) no BIOS mod.

I had to run my 3930K at 5.2GHz, mod the BIOS of the Titan to get 1.3v and run it at 1320/1750 to get 12200 in FS

Here 3.8GHz CPU... 1150 1241boost/2000 gets me 11889 and this is on no tweaks daily bread OS :D

That's +261 on the core and +500 memory

Menthol
04-01-2014, 02:26 AM
Nice Arne, it may be hard to install the AMD card after this, I am not sure if a bios fixed an issue that SB-E would down clock from an overclock when under load on the black edition, that was happening to me, someone had mentioned a couple settings in the bios that would overcome that, but I never tried it myself.

Arne Saknussemm
04-01-2014, 02:24 PM
I think (hope) the Matrix 290X is like the mighty Marlin from The Old Man and the Sea...flappin' about in the air on deck...but put it under water and it might be a whole different beast...

Big disappointment today....got my black cables finally from Shakmods/Modpcuk and they are terrible quality!

35230

Sleeving pulls out on slightest touch...One of the pins was out before I pushed it back in....waiting for them to get back to me with some quality customer service!

Rockford
04-01-2014, 02:37 PM
they should always use heatshrink with glue, period, or at least use silicone

35232

thats sloppy work

Arne Saknussemm
04-01-2014, 02:41 PM
I bought my last cables off them and they don't have the end cover thing...sleeving disappears into plastic block. They are tough and all bend to give nice uniform parallel cables. This lot!!!:confused: bend them and all sleeving pops out and no cable is parallel..they start criss crossing...total mess. And they are not cheap!

Zka17
04-02-2014, 02:42 AM
Big disappointment today....got my black cables finally from Shakmods/Modpcuk and they are terrible quality!

35230

Sleeving pulls out on slightest touch...One of the pins was out before I pushed it back in....waiting for them to get back to me with some quality customer service!

Ouch! It looks like when I did my first cable sleeving... maybe they had a new guy (not me, don't worry) with not enough experience... - glad that it is sorting out!

Rockford
04-02-2014, 02:55 AM
35237

Arne Saknussemm
04-05-2014, 10:15 AM
Ouch! It looks like when I did my first cable sleeving...

Haha...that good eh? ;)

EDIT: Paw...right on the money! Totally unprofessional!

They have got back to me eventually but I'm not happy. They have sent replacement cables but only after forcing me to send back the cables they sent! They sent me the wrong cables and bad quality...total fiasco. They said they would refund me postage costs for returning cables but have not done so! They tried to charge me 30 pounds extra for sending me new cables! the charged me for fast DHL delivery and have sent them standard snail mail...2 weeks waiting for the replacements.

The last cables I bought from them were "Red" when they came the red was half orange....I should have known then!


DO NOT BUY FROM SHAKMODS/MODPCUK they are expensive but deliver worse than cheap

I'll let you know when cables arrive if they are decent finally or not...but after all the hassle and broken promises I wont be buying from them again!

Myk SilentShadow
04-05-2014, 10:58 AM
Next time, try Teleios sleeving through E22.biz ;)

Arne Saknussemm
04-05-2014, 11:06 AM
Is that for DIY? maybe the way forward if I can't get decent ones ready made...cheers Myk!:)

Myk SilentShadow
04-05-2014, 11:12 AM
Is that for DIY? maybe the way forward if I can't get decent ones ready made...cheers Myk!:)

Yes they are mate, i'm a fan of their Facebook page "E22". The main Company is in the US "LutroO Customs" if anyone else is wondering. They have sleeving and also, coreless paracord too. I will be purchasing some paracord soon for a surprise project I will hopefully be commencing soon.....got a free case and I just have to buy the hardware lol :cool:

kkn
04-05-2014, 02:17 PM
he ship all over :)
http://mnpctech.com/

graphic
04-05-2014, 02:49 PM
http://en.mdpc-x.com/mdpc-sleeve.htm


^^^ you won't regret it... great product, I have allready done some sleeving
and am very happy... I might post a pic of my work tomorrow at http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?45398-Project-quot-Rampage-quot
very rewarding and looks fantastic....

Arne Saknussemm
04-05-2014, 03:01 PM
Hmmm...maybe I should have asked here first eh?...of course I should have :o

graphic
04-05-2014, 03:26 PM
Yes they are mate, i'm a fan of their Facebook page "E22". The main Company is in the US "LutroO Customs" if anyone else is wondering. They have sleeving and also, coreless paracord too. I will be purchasing some paracord soon for a surprise project I will hopefully be commencing soon.....got a free case and I just have to buy the hardware lol :cool:

yeah I did buy my sleeving tool's from there, Lutro0 himself said he prefer's MDPC sleeving....
I am very happy with the tools I got from there LC FLUSH CUTTER, BARGAIN WIRE STRIPPERS FROM LUTRO0'S TESTING BIN , CRIMPER ... etc
only one problem I have is I ordered http://lutro0-customs.com/products/lc-sleeving-tool and didn't receive it.. waiting on him to get back to me, after a few trial and error's I worked out and used my small steel rule to mesure
my heat shrink and get it at the same location every time
but yeah http://www.overclock.net/t/1262900/frequently-asked-sleeving-questions also looks awesome :)

I have found the LC FLUSH CUTTER and PARACORD TOOL (THREADER) most usefull..

a small edit, sorry for spamming your thread Arne...
received email from mike at lutroO..
Sorry for the slow communication.
We have had to fire our shipper due to a huge mess he made with our orders and we are still fixing all the mistakes.
We will have your tools sent to you asap!
Thanks for your understanding.
so thumbs up for lutroO :)

Myk SilentShadow
04-06-2014, 12:32 AM
Hmmm...maybe I should have asked here first eh?...of course I should have :o

Hehehe i'm still a n00b in the world of modding, luckily had a couple friends got me to be part of some groups so I can sort of keep up lol.


yeah I did buy my sleeving tool's from there, Lutro0 himself said he prefer's MDPC sleeving....
I am very happy with the tools I got from there LC FLUSH CUTTER, BARGAIN WIRE STRIPPERS FROM LUTRO0'S TESTING BIN , CRIMPER ... etc
only one problem I have is I ordered http://lutro0-customs.com/products/lc-sleeving-tool and didn't receive it.. waiting on him to get back to me, after a few trial and error's I worked out and used my small steel rule to mesure
my heat shrink and get it at the same location every time
but yeah http://www.overclock.net/t/1262900/frequently-asked-sleeving-questions also looks awesome :)

I have found the LC FLUSH CUTTER and PARACORD TOOL (THREADER) most usefull..

a small edit, sorry for spamming your thread Arne...
received email from mike at lutroO..
Sorry for the slow communication.
We have had to fire our shipper due to a huge mess he made with our orders and we are still fixing all the mistakes.
We will have your tools sent to you asap!
Thanks for your understanding.
so thumbs up for lutroO :)

Yeah Mike seems like a really great guy, his Youtube tutorial videos are a little funny too

Arne Saknussemm
04-06-2014, 08:03 AM
sorry for spamming your thread Arne...

Nah, not at all...the reverse... thanks for the info..

Arne Saknussemm
04-10-2014, 04:47 PM
OK so I've finally said goodbye to SB-E...it was a great ride I have to say. I was always lucky enough to have a strong IMC so RAM OC was never a problem...PCIe Gen3.0 ran though who knows how well...in short not really a bad word to say about those CPUs.

In trying to keep with the "Black" theme, for sourcing my Ivy Black-E I went hunting the darker corners of the black market and bought one second hand off some dodgy bloke down the pub...

35684

Squashed box and some scratches but hey, finally, IB-E on a board made for it...

Rockford
04-10-2014, 04:59 PM
Sandy will always be, just Sandy.. one of the Titans

good thing to let go Arne..

Arne Saknussemm
04-10-2014, 05:06 PM
Yes fresh hardware horizons...:)

First thing up Install CPU and GPU driver and hey presto IB-E Titan Black and RIVBE = Gen3.0 PCIe!! Finally it works..period!! Not worth much but hey..I paid for it ages ago and finally got it!

35686

Check Windows and woah!!

35687

Not to worry...calmly collect women and children and.....wait a minute...I'll try a fresh chipset install...

35689

Much better...couple outstanding....have read about this somewhere....can't remember where....some driver to install....will get back to this...

twisted1
04-10-2014, 07:28 PM
Sandy will always be, just Sandy.. one of the Titans

good thing to let go Arne..

Sandy is the ****! Bagged a 2700K now, going all Sandy over here :)

Arne Saknussemm
04-10-2014, 08:44 PM
Hmm so some quick and dirty OCing just to check the chip out...

1.4 is the suggestion and see what windows boots in at...

I get 4.6GHz at 1.4 and can run realbench and get temps just below 60

4.7 wont even boot

So not bad...thing is I run Firestrike at 4.6 and the Titan Black OC'd and get 12302 on daily driver OS and stock RAM.

12200 was my previous best with 1320 on GPU core and 5.2GHz on SB-E

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Antronman
04-10-2014, 11:12 PM
Let's see some pics of the guts.

Zka17
04-10-2014, 11:13 PM
That's seems pretty good, Arne! :cool:

twisted1
04-11-2014, 01:05 AM
Arne, that seems odd. An SB-E @5,2Ghz should score well above 18k on physics.

Take a look at this score(Z. score from hwbot, SB-E @5,1G) 18376p physics score.

35700

Although there are other factors that play a part also, apparently :)

Rockford
04-11-2014, 01:24 AM
no thats not odd at all..

For scoring above 18k with a SBE at 5200mhz in 3d mark 11 perf., it need to be very well tweaked.....

+18k at 5100mhz is very good, well above the common results

so i wouldn't lose much sleep over that

twisted1
04-11-2014, 01:30 AM
Is it the same story with 3Dmark? 3dm11 is extremely heavy on the cpu, 3Dmark not so much, could get 100-200Mhz higher clocks with my 3770k in 3dmark compared to 3dm11.

The score is Zka's btw :)

Rockford
04-11-2014, 01:35 AM
in vantage at 5200mhz i have scored 54000 in the cpu test, as best +/- some

Its not the best points around, but i think its a decent score at that clock

Vantage and me go way back you know..

:)

Rockford
04-11-2014, 01:40 AM
yes, 3d mark 11 is very heavy for the cpu, the cpu test.. you need to bump up the vcore a bit

mark 11> run a quad platform in dual channel = low score, its like peeing with half the pressure

Vantage in dual channel despite the LGA is OK = same score.

Mark 11 = quad, bandwidth dependent
Vantage = dual, old school

Often, often SBE throttling is the bad guy, you dont notice it, but thats the truth. and since most of us run on water at those high clocks, it gets xtra tight with the thermals 5200mhz-5500mhz

need to sleep P..

twisted1
04-11-2014, 01:51 AM
I shall investigate further how hard it is to reach 18k, as soon as I get my new RIVE. I finally RMA'd the other 7970 matrix so we might get some 3-way CF action going on. Will need both 1000W PSU's for that though.

Atm. I'm playing with S775, wish I had a DDR3 board. Bought a E8400 cpu, this E5200 doesn't wanna pass 4,5Ghz.

Rockford
04-11-2014, 01:53 AM
Ask Z for advice.........

He got both the knowledge and skills, and you guys are in the same team

twisted1
04-11-2014, 02:04 AM
I think I need to read a basic S775 OC guide for starters :) atm I'm just blasting it with Vcore mostly. Will put it on the 1080 rad and hope for cold weather and we'll see.

chrsplmr
04-11-2014, 02:23 AM
I am speechless at this thread. Imagine that. Thank you all. .c.

Arne Saknussemm
04-11-2014, 07:12 AM
The SB-E/Titan score was 18758 physics and 13505 graphics

IB-E/Titan Black 17404 physics and 13761 graphics so it's the GPU that is more than making up for a drop in the CPU....just saying the combo of new tech seems to have the edge...

chrs! good to see you about! No....I tried imagining that and it wasn't working....:D

Menthol
04-11-2014, 11:36 AM
That's very cool Arne, Win 8 or 7

Arne Saknussemm
04-11-2014, 11:56 AM
Hey Menthol! on win 8.1 daily OS no tweaks etc. I think I have a good card...the CPU is not so hot at the moment...can barely get 4.8 on 1.6v...and having sudden shutdowns at all frequencies....wondering about the board....work in progress

Rockford
04-11-2014, 11:59 AM
Go Haswell...... tweaker s paradise..;)

Arne Saknussemm
04-11-2014, 01:42 PM
Crumbs well conclusion so far...IB-E is for gaming not OCing....hot here today which always curtails the OCing anyway and will last until Haswell E is out so...gaming it is...

Dartmaul
04-11-2014, 06:40 PM
Wow someone finally has 4930k worse than mine)

Arne, I also was disappointed once switched form SB-E to Ivy-E, but now I would say Ivy is better, even with H2O. Yes, you can't go over 5GHz (you're lucky even to hit 5GHz) but you have better efficiency, better RAM clocking, better BCLK clocking and less power consumption (less heat).

Don't consider it as a clock downgrade, consider it as an invite to subzero side)

Arne Saknussemm
04-11-2014, 07:01 PM
consider it as an invite to subzero side)

Hey Dartmaul! Good to hear from you! Yes maybe it is time to get cold...if this is the way things are going...disappointing on water to say the least...

However the jury is still out on my board at the moment have had cutout problems here and thought it might be my inexperience on the new platform but I have had 3 CPUs through this board now swapped RAM PSU and GPU in different combos and still have stability issues :)

Pitch Black might be Pitch-going-back to the shop!

Rockford
04-11-2014, 07:09 PM
***** black? :D

Dartmaul
04-11-2014, 07:25 PM
What kind of instability you have Arne?

Arne Saknussemm
04-11-2014, 07:34 PM
I put 2 3930k s in the board and tried to OC them and without warning the system just shuts off no BSOD no nothing. I read a couple of threads on this and was wondering if it was simply having to work out how to OC properly but then the 4930K is doing the same occasionally and even at stock sometimes....have tried XMP and manual RAM setup and finally gone to swapping everything out PSU, RAM, GPU fresh installs of OSes on different SSDs and still odd shutdowns. :( All components that worked great on the RIVE...

Happen less when upping current capability to 180% but that is RED in the BIOS for a reason and I don't think that is a reasonable cure...apart from which this instability still happens even then...

Dartmaul
04-11-2014, 08:04 PM
Maybe it's just a corrupted mobo?

Arne Saknussemm
04-11-2014, 08:15 PM
No idea at the moment...will open a thread tomorrow have seen others with the problem...I have tried all three BIOSes..:confused::(:mad:

Menthol
04-11-2014, 11:39 PM
Wow Arne, sorry to hear this, not good you have some nice video cards to be benching right now and no joy

Zka17
04-12-2014, 11:07 AM
Arne, can you see something in Event Viewer? Or it shots down even before it could save some in foes there?

The sudden cutoffs with no infos use to happen for me when the juice is not enough or there is a short somewhere (built in protection)...

Do you have already water blocks on the board or it's still running on original heatsinks? If you forget to place some thermal pads in certain places or you used not enough in some places, this can happen - remember, thermal pads are also insulating...

Arne Saknussemm
04-12-2014, 11:20 AM
No it shuts down without warning...will take it off the bench but I don't think it's shorting or anything like that...the board is stock...I always run at stock for a while on everything just so as to fully check them out...for this kind of reason...

Seems like phantom cut out for being over sensitive or real cutout for real spikes which would be worse...don't want my gear damaged...

Zka17
04-12-2014, 11:25 AM
Well, good luck! Holding my fingers crossed to find out fast what's wrong...

Arne Saknussemm
04-12-2014, 11:50 AM
Yeah, thanks Z! shame...just takes time and patience I guess...was hoping to do these cards benching justice instead of troubleshooting but


http://youtu.be/aPVLyB0Yc6I

Doug2507
04-13-2014, 11:45 AM
Arne, when you say cutting out do you mean restart to desktop? Does it happen within an hour or two from boot?

Might not be the same as the issue i had but try a fresh OS and don't install anything from the driver disk. Let it run for a while and see if the issue is gone. I had an issue with one of the drivers (can't remember which one) which shut the rig down constantly and was only solved by omitting it.

(and take it easy on the juice! 1.6v on core is way to much!)

graphic
04-13-2014, 01:02 PM
Arne, when you say cutting out do you mean restart to desktop? Does it happen within an hour or two from boot?

Might not be the same as the issue i had but try a fresh OS and don't install anything from the driver disk. Let it run for a while and see if the issue is gone. I had an issue with one of the drivers (can't remember which one) which shut the rig down constantly and was only solved by omitting it.

(and take it easy on the juice! 1.6v on core is way to much!)

haha, quote; take it easy on the juice, it's either stopped or flat out, nothing in between :D

Arne Saknussemm
04-13-2014, 04:42 PM
Hey Doug2507...thanks but I took a 3930 and 4930 all the way to Malaga to test today on another RIVBE and had no problems so RMA time. I already tried multiple clean installs on a few SSDs...

The juice...have to push the envelope see where you stand with a new chip...temps were not high...but sure...that's way more voltage than I want to use...the CPU is a low average example..:rolleyes:

LOL graphic...on this dodgy board certainly has been that way...

Arne Saknussemm
04-25-2014, 05:05 PM
Weeellll....maybe a GOOD BIOS flash has me sorted? http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?46139-Rivbe-shutdowns&p=393519&viewfull=1#post393519

Fingers crossed...not had much time for extensive testing and I am waiting for a better 4930K that is inbound...when it arrives we'll see for sure...

And I finally have my black cables...better quality replacements....and will have some time soon to strip the bench,flush the loop, clean the RADs and put her back together nice and new and shiny...and very BLACK

And then do some benching and gaming on the Titan Black

This Matrix 290X
36089

As soon as EK get their a** in gear and make it a water block!.....EK?