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K3ng0u
09-29-2011, 05:21 AM
Just wondering which one is better for playing at 1920x1080, only games I play is Starcraft 2 and League of Legends.

http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/11/09/29/7kb.png

grungeboy2
09-29-2011, 12:11 PM
probably won't notice much of a difference.

the 460m is a beast, the 560m is supposedly about 13% faster while using the same power.

jorlanm
09-29-2011, 12:25 PM
the 192-Bit GTX 460m is better specialy running High-Texture games...

manu72
09-30-2011, 08:37 AM
They are almost the same at high res.
What 460m gains due to 192bit memory bandwidth is lost due to slower clock (675MHz versus 775 in GTX560m)

At low res with no AA, 560m will be faster due to higher clock

jorlanm
09-30-2011, 12:40 PM
To point out,,,a GTX560m 192-Bit is just about 10% average faster than the GTX460m 192-Bit (Cause they are technically the same specifications aside from frequency) but the G74sx-BBK7's and the G53sx's cripple the 560m to 128-Bit.

grungeboy2
09-30-2011, 06:47 PM
still haven't understood why they did that other than maybe it helped with heat issues.

my GTX260m uses a 256-bit interface.

maybe those extra bits drive up the heat and/or energy consumption of the card.

jorlanm
09-30-2011, 09:26 PM
Its how much data information can pass through everytime it communicates...

Let say Point A to Point B has 5 cars each lane...

Think of the 256-Bit BUS as a 5 lane Highway traffic,
Thats makes 25 cars (data per say) passing at the same time.

Now think of the 128-Bit as a 2 lane Highway traffic,
That makes 10 cars (data) passing at the same time.
That leaves the other 15 cars (data) behind clogging up (Bottleneck) Traffic.

Now add Frequency we change that from MHz. to MPH...

Let say the 256-Bit is running at 60MPH...On the 5 lane Highway traffic they can still move from Point A to Point B easily and not easily clogging (Bottleneck) Traffic.

Let say the 128-Bit is running at 100MPH...On the 2 lane Highway traffic they can still move fast from Point A to Point B easily but once the other 15 Cars (Data) come in it easily clogging (Bottleneck) Traffic.

In the case of older GPU to newer GPU its like comparing older highway to newer more efficient Highway making more cars cars (Data) travel faster shorter lanes...

grungeboy2
09-30-2011, 10:50 PM
lol, i know what a wider bus does. what i don't know is nvidia's reasoning for changing it.

that was a very good explanation though.

Ransom
10-07-2011, 02:10 PM
I just wish somebody would do a real world comparison of the two bus speed differences in actual game performance. I don't really care about the other option differences between the BB version of the G74 and the other versions (BluRay, better hard drive, etc). When the BBK7 version became available at BB for only $1100, it was too good of a deal to pass up. I'd basically have to pay an additional $400-500 for the more powerful GPU, when that's all I care about. And the lower res possibly helps with any performance differences between the two GPUs. So I'd like to see how games perform (ie: BF3 BETA) on each of the two cards, at native res. I don't know why this hasn't been done already. I see some people claiming performance differences of 10-40%, but haven't seen any proof.

Ransom

Chastity@ASUS
10-07-2011, 10:42 PM
I don't have any BB models here to test, unless someone wants to RMA one ;)

deadbydawn
10-25-2011, 10:53 AM
first off hello everyone on the forum =)

i have the g73sw-3de with the 192bit gtx 460m and also have a g53sx with the crippled 128bit gtx 560m to test here. i just installed hl2 and also hl2 dm on both machines. i maxed out all the settings to the highest and the res. to 1920 x 1080. playing deathmatch, the g73 is performing like a beast. fluid and no lag whatsoever..never. on the g53 however it starts a tiny bit laggy, gets better but still lags again once in a while. i didn't oc the g73's graphicscard, and it plays fluid as sh*t! i even oc'd the g53's graphicscard to see if the lag goes away, but it's still there. so i notice a feelable difference between the two. i love my g73 and the way it performs. the faster cpu or clocking of the g53 is still no competition. i only tested with hl2 though, but still for me, i wouldn't trade my gtx 460m for the gtx 560m of the smaller sized (and actually i like smaller sized laptops) g53sx =)

JRd1st
10-25-2011, 11:35 AM
If you have an antivirus running,try disabling it to see if the lag stops.

Also, try disabling the wifi if the other thing doesn't help.

deadbydawn
10-25-2011, 01:08 PM
nah there's nothing running on it. i only uninstalled all the tools from asus i don't want on it and that's it. i wanted a testenvironment without anything which could interact with the result.

in the end, the 128bit bus bandwith compared to the 192bit one is a bottleneck while playing high textured games, especially in high res like FHD.

JRd1st
10-25-2011, 01:28 PM
Well, for sure read this because that wifi driver needs to be updated. http://www.asusrog.com/forums/showthread.php?5126-Any-Kind-of-Lag-and-Atheros-WiFi-Card

deadbydawn
10-25-2011, 01:53 PM
Alright, I'm downloading the driverpackage at the moment. Takes a while, as the ftp seems to be somewhat slow.
Thx for the info, I will test again afterwards.

deadbydawn
10-25-2011, 03:03 PM
really amazing, seems to have made a big difference in in-game performance in hl2dm. now testing lost coast.

JRd1st
10-25-2011, 03:32 PM
Awesome! :thumbsup:

deadbydawn
10-25-2011, 05:52 PM
that's really great. interesting how much of a performance boost can occur "just" by updating a wifi/bt driver. now i will test some more with enabled wifi (the tests up to now were with disabled wifi using the lan adapter).

deadbydawn
10-25-2011, 05:52 PM
btw, thanks a lot for this hint! =)

asusg53sx
10-26-2011, 12:24 PM
first off hello everyone on the forum =)

i have the g73sw-3de with the 192bit gtx 460m and also have a g53sx with the crippled 128bit gtx 560m to test here. i just installed hl2 and also hl2 dm on both machines. i maxed out all the settings to the highest and the res. to 1920 x 1080. playing deathmatch, the g73 is performing like a beast. fluid and no lag whatsoever..never. on the g53 however it starts a tiny bit laggy, gets better but still lags again once in a while. i didn't oc the g73's graphicscard, and it plays fluid as sh*t! i even oc'd the g53's graphicscard to see if the lag goes away, but it's still there. so i notice a feelable difference between the two. i love my g73 and the way it performs. the faster cpu or clocking of the g53 is still no competition. i only tested with hl2 though, but still for me, i wouldn't trade my gtx 460m for the gtx 560m of the smaller sized (and actually i like smaller sized laptops) g53sx =)

hi bro
can u test both the sw and sx at 1366x768 reso??
wud like to know how the sx performs at lower resolution
can u run it with the same drivers and stock clocks as well??
thanks in advance

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 12:34 PM
hey dude
yeah can do! i'm intalling f.e.a.r. right now and will test the res you asked for on both hl2 and also f.e.a.r. and will post the results after the tests =)

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 01:01 PM
so, i tested it.
on f.e.a.r using 1366x768 in game performance is perfect. the performance test of the game showed those results:
min fps rate: 36
average fps rate: 81
max fps rate: 216

hl2 lost coast plays also without any problems.
performance test:
average fps: 59.26

using stock card settings and high performance mode on cpu.

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 01:03 PM
oh this was the 53sx! i'm now downloading the new verde 285.62 driver and then tesing again.
i'm still installing f.e.a..r on the 73sw and after that, i will test the same.

asusg53sx
10-26-2011, 01:15 PM
oh this was the 53sx! i'm now downloading the new verde 285.62 driver and then tesing again.
i'm still installing f.e.a..r on the 73sw and after that, i will test the same.

thanks bro... appreaciate it

reason im asking is cuz im on the fence between the g53sw 3d and the g53sx 3d version
they r both selling for roughly the same price at my place, and come with 1366x768 reso
and i heard some guys saying that the 560m128bit runs faster at lower resolution but loses out in full hd to the 460m

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 01:33 PM
i'm just preparing a table with all the test results. will be uploading in about 20 minutes.

strange thing: hl2 lost coast performance test:
g53sx in lower res the average fps was 59.3. in the full hd res. the average fps was ALSO 59.3!!
on the g73sw the low res. result was 59.6 and the full hd res. was 59.3!

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 01:35 PM
yeah i heard that too, but at the moment i'm really puzzeled by the results of hl2 lc.

i'm wondering how the differences will be in f.e.a.r. 5 minutes till i can test on the 73sw.

JRd1st
10-26-2011, 01:47 PM
i'm just preparing a table with all the test results. will be uploading in about 20 minutes.

strange thing: hl2 lost coast performance test:
g53sx in lower res the average fps was 59.3. in the full hd res. the average fps was ALSO 59.3!!
on the g73sw the low res. result was 59.6 and the full hd res. was 59.3!

Do you have Vertical Sync enabled anywhere?

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 01:59 PM
yeah, it was active on the 53sx.... d'oh! disabling it and testing it again...correcting my table then uploading it!

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 02:03 PM
okay, huge change...from 59,3 to 178,1 by disabling vertival sync on the g53sx...

now finishing the table.

JRd1st
10-26-2011, 02:06 PM
:D The steady approx 60fps was a dead giveaway.

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 02:09 PM
what do you mean by that? sorry...my english ;)

JRd1st
10-26-2011, 02:12 PM
what do you mean by that? sorry...my english ;)
I mean that when I saw that all your benchmarks were at about 60fps, I KNEW it was because vertical sync was turned on.

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 02:20 PM
aaah okay :D haha, well, and i learned something new ;)

soooo, her's the table!:

http://i39.tinypic.com/ifzdvq.jpg

@JRd1st: what would you recommend to use for gaming, which of the two? i need your advice hehe =)

asusg53sx
10-26-2011, 02:26 PM
thanks for the effort deadbydawn :D

oh boy.. im abit puzzled now...

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 02:28 PM
no worries, i'm also interested in those results =)

hmm, then there's already two of us ;) ... O_o

JRd1st
10-26-2011, 02:35 PM
aaah okay :D haha, well, and i learned something new ;)

@JRd1st: what would you recommend to use for gaming, which of the two? i need your advice hehe =)

Well, I like a bigger screen, so the G73. It depends on what you want, a truly portable notebook, or a portable desktop. You also have to take into account the touchpad issues. I don't know if the G73 or the G53 has them worse. If that's gonna drive you mad like it has so many others, you may want to look elsewhere altogether. If you always use a mouse and external keyboard, like I do, I'd say the G73 because of the bigger screen.

About benchmarks; the truly important benchmark is if it performs well for you the way you want to use it. Period. Numbers are crap because something can always change them.

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 02:41 PM
i don't reeeeally care about the portability, as the machines are heavy as s*% anyways, either one ;-) the touchpad - well - i can live with it, as i use a mouse anyways, since i only use this laptop for gaming, for everything else i got my macbooks. not even office will find it's way on it ;-)
and as the stronger cpu of the g53sx doesn't really make that much of a difference, i will probably stick to my g73. i hate decisions haha

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 02:59 PM
also what i noticed is, that, even when i oc the graphicscard on my g73, it's running cooler (around 66degrees celsius) than the g53's in stock settings (around 73 degrees).

manu72
10-26-2011, 03:06 PM
well, things seem to be pretty clear (assuming no driver glitches between the machines):
- HL2 engine doesn't really care about memory bandwidth so the GTX560M/128bits runs faster due to higher gpu clocks
- F.E.A.R do care about the lost bandwidth and ROPS

gtx560m/128bits has 16 rops
gtx460m/192bits has 24 rops

JRd1st
10-26-2011, 03:07 PM
That's an important factor!

deadbydawn
10-26-2011, 03:11 PM
one question: @JRd1st: the hint you gave me concerning the WiFi/BT driver, doesn't apply to the g73sw right? i see an atheros wifi driver, but not really a bluetooth one, even though there are bluetooth startup-programms (which i disabled with tuneup2011). sorry, stupid question, but i can't really find an answer myself..

JRd1st
10-26-2011, 04:50 PM
The two drivers are separate. I don't know if your bt is also on the wifi card like it is with the G74. But if your bt is azurewave then it's. Probably on the atheros card. For some reason, Asus lists the Atheros drivers as Azurewave on their "support" pages.

I thought the G73's had Atheros cards. Only you can find out what's in your your notebook. Look in Device Manager under network adapters. If you see Atheros or Azurewave, then you have Atheros.

deadbydawn
10-27-2011, 07:53 AM
okay thx, in this case it doesn't seem to be, wifi is atheros but bluetooth i can't find anywhere in the device manager.

deadbydawn
10-27-2011, 09:08 AM
another thing is, what are safe temperatures for a graphicscard, as i find the ~75 - ~80 degrees celsius with stock clocking during a game somewhat high (on the 53sx)?

deadbydawn
10-27-2011, 09:19 AM
oh, and, what i was wondering, does anyone know if it is actually possible to take both laptops apart and use the gtx460m of the g73sw and put it in the g53sx?

and now i will stop the spamming ;-)

xeromist
10-27-2011, 06:37 PM
another thing is, what are safe temperatures for a graphicscard, as i find the ~75 - ~80 degrees celsius with stock clocking during a game somewhat high (on the 53sx)?

Higher than some, about the same as others. Not unusual. Make sure the vents are clear of dust, carpet, blankets, small animals, etc. :D

deadbydawn
10-27-2011, 08:52 PM
alright then =) yeah i hope none of our dawgs got crumbled up in there ;-)

tomorrow i should be gettin a msi gt683r in, will be testing that one's performance also..

-DDKOX
04-24-2012, 05:12 AM
I think both of them are very good cards. I have the G53sx with the GTX 560m (2gb DDR5) and a friend of mine has the 460. Both cards have good performance at high resolutions and its kinda hard to see the 10-15% boost difference from the 560m. To me It really comes down to prices.