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kraver0
06-29-2014, 11:42 PM
So, there are two options in Power4Gear Hybrid: High Performance and Power Saver.

Initially, it was set to high performance; however, I honestly do not need that maximum performance. Therefore, I set my notebook to power saver instead.

In terms of less heat and cooler temperatures when running intensive CPU and GPU programs, is power saver option the better choice? Since the power saver uses minimum performance, I'd assume that it would generate less heat. Whereas, the high performance option would generate more heat. Is this correct?

Thank you.

hmscott
06-30-2014, 12:02 AM
So, there are two options in Power4Gear Hybrid: High Performance and Power Saver.

Initially, it was set to high performance; however, I honestly do not need that maximum performance. Therefore, I set my notebook to power saver instead.

In terms of less heat and cooler temperatures when running intensive CPU and GPU programs, is power saver option the better choice? Since the power saver uses minimum performance, I'd assume that it would generate less heat. Whereas, the high performance option would generate more heat. Is this correct?

Thank you.

kraver0, Power4Gear has caused problems, including locking CPU speed low on battery, as you found - limited options - no Balanced plan, and crashes so I recommend uninstalling Power4Gear.

Then I use Windows Balanced plan for most work to keep CPU heat down - set the CPU min/max to 0%/100%, and use High Performance with CPU min/max 100%/100% for benchmarking.

There is also a Power Saver plan - but I have found Balanced to be good enough for both battery and AC, but give it a try it might help your battery run time :)

Uninstalling a couple of other things has been recommended.

Asus Splendid to improve clarity and remove odd color corrections - but new models JS/JM/JZ act differently than the JW/JX/JH due to addition on Intel iGPU in the video chain in front of the Nvidia GPU. If you have a JS/JM/JX try with / without and let us know which way you like it - and how you have it set.

Asus Gaming Mouse driver - cause some BSOD's for some user configs - not sure what triggers sensitivity to it, but uninstalling the driver stops the BSOD's.

Uninstall AsusVibe - check it out, but if you don't need it uninstall it.

On the JW/JX/JH do a Custom/Clean install of the latest Nvidia driver, currently 340.43 BETA, on the new models some have gotten crashes using any driver after 332.60 and before 340.43 - but some still get crashes using the 340.43 but less frequently - hopefully Nvidia will fix this in future releases.

Uninstall Asus Live Update, and download the latest Windows 8.1 drivers from the G750JM download area, and your G750 model Download area - like for BIOS files specific to the G750 model.

Here is a list of places to get the latest Windows 8.1 drivers :)

G750 support areas - The JM download area has the latest of all the G750, with JS/JZ next, the G750JW/JX/JH are out of date:
http://support.asus.com/Search.aspx?SLanguage=en&keyword=g750&ps=10&pn=1

Here is the latest Notebook Audio - for G750 => Realtek driver package Version V6.0.1.7235
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=Audio&os=30

Here are the latest Notebook Bluetooth drivers
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=Bluetooth&p=3&ft=27&os=30

Here are the latest Notebook WLAN drivers
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=WLAN&os=3

Here are the latest Notebook LAN drivers
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&s=589&m=LAN&os=&hashedid=n%2fa

Notebook Asus SmartGesture
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=ASUS+Smart+Gesture&hashedid=n%2fa

Asus GPU Tweak for Graphics Cards, currently at release 2.6.4.0 for the G750JW/JX/JH, but 2.6.2.0 is more stable...
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=9&m=ASUS%20GPU%20Tweak%20for%20Graphics%20cards&hashedid=n/a

Asus GPU Tweak for Laptops, currently at release v1.0.9 for the G750JS/JM/JZ
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=ASUS+GPU+Tweak+for+Laptops&hashedid=n%2fa

Here are the Asus posted VGA drivers, it's better to get the latest from Nvidia - currently 340.43
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=VGA&p=3&s=111

Maxter
06-30-2014, 10:42 PM
In my laptop, Powersaver runs CPU and MoBo at ~40C. High performance goes to ~50C. Hard drive hovers around 35-40 regardless of powerplan and graphics hovers ~40-45 also regardless of powerplan. I found Power4Gear to make battery last me up to 7 hours (when I'm working on the darkroom with screen at lowest and keyboard lit). I liked the previous version better than the newer one, however. Why do I have P4G installed? Now that I read the info from hmscott, I have no idea...
I'm now wondering about the sleep mode. I find it to be the most stable from any Windows machine I have ever had. Is this due at all to P4G?

troomc4
06-30-2014, 11:35 PM
kraver0, Power4Gear has caused problems, including locking CPU speed low on battery, as you found - limited options - no Balanced plan, and crashes so I recommend uninstalling Power4Gear.

Then I use Windows Balanced plan for most work to keep CPU heat down - set the CPU min/max to 0%/100%, and use High Performance with CPU min/max 100%/100% for benchmarking.

There is also a Power Saver plan - but I have found Balanced to be good enough for both battery and AC, but give it a try it might help your battery run time :)

Uninstalling a couple of other things has been recommended.

Asus Splendid to improve clarity and remove odd color corrections - but new models JS/JM/JZ act differently than the JW/JX/JH due to addition on Intel iGPU in the video chain in front of the Nvidia GPU.

Asus Gaming Mouse driver - cause some BSOD's for some user configs - not sure what triggers sensitivity to it, but uninstalling the driver stops the BSOD's.

Uninstall AsusVibe - check it out, but if you don't need it uninstall it.

On the JW/JX/JH do a Custom/Clean install of the latest Nvidia driver, currently 340.43 BETA, on the new models some have gotten crashes using any driver after 332.60 and before 340.43 - but some still get crashes using the 340.43 but less frequently - hopefully Nvidia will fix this in future releases.

Uninstall Asus Live Update, and download the latest Windows 8.1 drivers from the G750JM download area, and your G750 model Download area - like for BIOS files specific to the G750 model.

Here is a list of places to get the latest Windows 8.1 drivers :)

G750 support areas - The JM download area has the latest of all the G750, with JS/JZ next, the G750JW/JX/JH are out of date:
http://support.asus.com/Search.aspx?SLanguage=en&keyword=g750&ps=10&pn=1

Here is the latest Notebook Audio - for G750 => Realtek driver package Version V6.0.1.7235
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=Audio&os=30

Here are the latest Notebook Bluetooth drivers
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=Bluetooth&p=3&ft=27&os=30

Here are the latest Notebook WLAN drivers
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=WLAN&os=3

Here are the latest Notebook LAN drivers
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&s=589&m=LAN&os=&hashedid=n%2fa

Notebook Asus SmartGesture
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=ASUS+Smart+Gesture&hashedid=n%2fa

Asus GPU Tweak for Graphics Cards, currently at release 2.6.4.0 for the G750JW/JX/JH, but 2.6.2.0 is more stable...
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=9&m=ASUS%20GPU%20Tweak%20for%20Graphics%20cards&hashedid=n/a

Asus GPU Tweak for Laptops, currently at release v1.0.9 for the G750JS/JM/JZ
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=ASUS+GPU+Tweak+for+Laptops&hashedid=n%2fa

Here are the Asus posted VGA drivers, it's better to get the latest from Nvidia - currently 340.43
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=VGA&p=3&s=111


Would you mind pointing me in the direction of which Asus Gaming Mouse driver I should uninstal? I looked in my device manager and only saw these options. http://i.imgur.com/rGC7NBA.jpg

Maxter
07-01-2014, 12:06 AM
I think he refers to the actual ASUS Gaming mouse (ASUS ROG Eagle Eye). There has been reports on driver issues... no idea if that has been resolved. You have the Logitech G500 instead. You'll be fine.

troomc4
07-01-2014, 12:28 AM
Well I found it in the programs and features. Should I just get rid of it anyway. I probably wont be getting a ROG mouse.

hmscott
07-01-2014, 02:14 AM
Well I found it in the programs and features. Should I just get rid of it anyway. I probably wont be getting a ROG mouse.

troomc4, yes that is the point of uninstalling, if you don't have an Asus Gaming mouse you don't need the driver anyway so you can uninstall it - some that got bundled Asus Gaming mice were also getting crashes until they uninstalled the Asus Gaming mouse driver - they haven't reported back as to an updated ROG Gaming mouse driver - there may not be one yet...if you have/get an ROG Asus Gaming mouse work with Asus support to find the right mouse driver.

troomc4, you don't mention if you are trying to debug crashes yourself, or if you are just trying to tune for the most up to date know issues, or what G750 model you have, but some more recent JM/JS/JZ crashes are likely solved by rolling back to Nvidia 332.60:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48151-Help..new-G750JM-after-geforce-experience-update-to-2.1-gt-gt-gt-BSOD&p=410933&viewfull=1#post410933

But, it looks like there is improvement in Nvida 340.43 BETA - some don't crash, or crash much less often:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48824-G750JM-BSOD-(Driver-power-state-faliure)&p=414478&viewfull=1#post414478

And yet there are others with the new JM not crashing on 337.88
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48151-Help..new-G750JM-after-geforce-experience-update-to-2.1-gt-gt-gt-BSOD&p=410749&viewfull=1#post410749

So this is an evolving situation...and if you are getting BSOD's I would uninstall the ROG Mouse driver if you don't need it, see if that stops the crashes, then if you are still getting crashes roll back to 332.60 (Found on Asus G750JM download area) as that seems the safest Nvidia release if you are having crashes and see if that stops the crashes.

If you are still crashing you should make a Technical Inquiry report to Asus and have them help you debug the problem. Create an Asus VIP login, register your laptop, then file a Technical Inquiry with a clear description of the problems and start debugging with Asus:
http://vip.asus.com

Let us know what you model G750 you have and if you are having crashes you are trying to solve :)

Update: troomc4, I found your thread, so your problem is likely the Nvidia driver, but you can still uninstall the mouse driver since you don't need it to avoid those issues too.
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48824-G750JM-BSOD-(Driver-power-state-faliure)&p=414478&viewfull=1#post414478

hmscott
07-01-2014, 02:26 AM
In my laptop, Powersaver runs CPU and MoBo at ~40C. High performance goes to ~50C. Hard drive hovers around 35-40 regardless of powerplan and graphics hovers ~40-45 also regardless of powerplan. I found Power4Gear to make battery last me up to 7 hours (when I'm working on the darkroom with screen at lowest and keyboard lit). I liked the previous version better than the newer one, however. Why do I have P4G installed? Now that I read the info from hmscott, I have no idea...
I'm now wondering about the sleep mode. I find it to be the most stable from any Windows machine I have ever had. Is this due at all to P4G?

Maxtor, the only way to know for sure is to uninstall P4G, and try it... :)

If you find battery life isn't as good on the Windows Power Saver plan, you could reinstall P4G and see if the battery life improves again - it would be nice to know if P4G is finally doing something helpful, and there is a reason to keep it installed. Others not looking for battery savings on battery, and looking for performance on battery instead might still be better off with P4G uninstalled.

jancy
07-01-2014, 03:07 AM
How do I uninstall Power4gear on a brand new G750JM?

hmscott
07-01-2014, 03:19 AM
How do I uninstall Power4gear on a brand new G750JM?

jancy, Power4Gear is like any Windows program, you go into Programs and Features, find the entry, right click and select Uninstall.

You can use Asus Install to install any uninstalled Asus tools. Here is what comes up on my G750JH - all the items checked would be installed, so if you only want to reinstall 1 tool, you need to uncheck all the other tools before clicking Install:

38348

jancy
07-01-2014, 03:24 AM
Thanks uninstalling it now.

Maxter
07-01-2014, 05:34 AM
Maxtor, the only way to know for sure is to uninstall P4G, and try it... :)

If you find battery life isn't as good on the Windows Power Saver plan, you could reinstall P4G and see if the battery life improves again - it would be nice to know if P4G is finally doing something helpful, and there is a reason to keep it installed. Others not looking for battery savings on battery, and looking for performance on battery instead might still be better off with P4G uninstalled.

True true... I'll do that and report back in a week or so then.

hmscott
07-01-2014, 05:37 AM
True true... I'll do that and report back in a week or so then.

Maxter, it might be helpful to take a look at the P4G Power Saver Power Plan Advanced Details, saving a snippet shot of them for reference when tuning the Windows Power Saver plan - comparison might show the differences making the improvement in battery life.

troomc4
07-02-2014, 02:28 AM
troomc4, yes that is the point of uninstalling, if you don't have an Asus Gaming mouse you don't need the driver anyway so you can uninstall it- some that got bundled Asus Gaming mice were also getting crashes until they uninstalled the Asus Gaming mouse driver - they haven't reported back as to an updated ROG Gaming mouse driver - there may not be one yet...if you have/get an ROG Asus Gaming mouse work with Asus support to find the right mouse driver.

troomc4, you don't mention if you are trying to debug crashes yourself, or if you are just trying to tune for the most up to date know issues, or what G750 model you have, but some more recent JM/JS/JZ crashes are likely solved by rolling back to Nvidia 332.60:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48151-Help..new-G750JM-after-geforce-experience-update-to-2.1-gt-gt-gt-BSOD&p=410933&viewfull=1#post410933

But, it looks like there is improvement in Nvida 340.43 BETA - some don't crash, or crash much less often:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48824-G750JM-BSOD-(Driver-power-state-faliure)&p=414478&viewfull=1#post414478

And yet there are others with the new JM not crashing on 337.88
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48151-Help..new-G750JM-after-geforce-experience-update-to-2.1-gt-gt-gt-BSOD&p=410749&viewfull=1#post410749

So this is an evolving situation...and if you are getting BSOD's I would uninstall the ROG Mouse driver if you don't need it, see if that stops the crashes, then if you are still getting crashes roll back to 332.60 (Found on Asus G750JM download area) as that seems the safest Nvidia release if you are having crashes and see if that stops the crashes.

If you are still crashing you should make a Technical Inquiry report to Asus and have them help you debug the problem. Create an Asus VIP login, register your laptop, then file a Technical Inquiry with a clear description of the problems and start debugging with Asus:
http://vip.asus.com

Let us know what you model G750 you have and if you are having crashes you are trying to solve :)

Update: troomc4, I found your thread, so your problem is likely the Nvidia driver, but you can still uninstall the mouse driver since you don't need it to avoid those issues too.
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48824-G750JM-BSOD-(Driver-power-state-faliure)&p=414478&viewfull=1#post414478

Just rolled back to 332.60. hopefully no more BSOD and hopefully NVIDIA and/or asus fix this issue soon. Thanks ya'll

hmscott
07-02-2014, 02:45 AM
Just rolled back to 332.60. hopefully no more BSOD and hopefully NVIDIA and/or asus fix this issue soon. Thanks ya'll

troomc4, glad to hear that stopped the crashing :)

I am sure someone will post the new Nvidia driver(s) as they become available; hopefully the fixes will happen quickly.

troomc4
07-02-2014, 03:16 AM
troomc4, glad to hear that stopped the crashing :)

I am sure someone will post the new Nvidia driver(s) as they become available; hopefully the fixes will happen quickly.

Well it hasnt stopped it yet. haha Just downgraded. So its only been about an hour without a crash. But fingers crossed. :)

Just made a new thread with an question about maxxaudio wizzard, if you wanna take a look at that it would be pretty fantastic. :D

hmscott
07-02-2014, 04:22 AM
Well it hasnt stopped it yet. haha Just downgraded. So its only been about an hour without a crash. But fingers crossed. :)

Just made a new thread with an question about maxxaudio wizzard, if you wanna take a look at that it would be pretty fantastic. :D

troomc4, ahhh, waiting for the crash... that never comes - a real cliff hanger :)

Here is the answer to the maxxaudiowizard q:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48934-Question-about-maxxaudio-wizzard&p=415461&viewfull=1#post415461

Maxter
07-03-2014, 12:20 AM
Well, so far it has been 2 days since I uninstalled P4G and I notice a faster boot (obviously). I also notice that coming from sleep I connect WAY faster to the WiFi here at my university (used to take 30sec to a minute, now it takes 5-10 secs - Totally Worth!). Battery lasts a little less (~5% less), and computer is much more responsive; I found the latter to be most interesting. I haven't tried gaming but I'll do that soon... hopefully in a couple hours.

hmscott
07-03-2014, 01:22 PM
Well, so far it has been 2 days since I uninstalled P4G and I notice a faster boot (obviously). I also notice that coming from sleep I connect WAY faster to the WiFi here at my university (used to take 30sec to a minute, now it takes 5-10 secs - Totally Worth!). Battery lasts a little less (~5% less), and computer is much more responsive; I found the latter to be most interesting. I haven't tried gaming but I'll do that soon... hopefully in a couple hours.

Maxter, thanks for reporting that, it is good to know there are other benefits to uninstalling P4G :)

Maxter
07-03-2014, 04:55 PM
Tested gaming last night with High Performance settings (100% both min and max CPU, cooling Active). Titanfall seems smoother as well - I didn't check FPS, however... will do that later. So far, I vote for uninstalling P4G if you don't mind the drop by ~5% in battery capacity.