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guvadc
10-24-2014, 11:55 PM
Ok, so I caved today and bought the BB version of the G751JM ( 24 months 0% financing helped). I have not unboxed it yet though.....

In regards to the 860m that is in this G751JM , is it the one based off the Haswell, or Maxwell? In other words, is it the better one? If I remember right there were 2 versions.

I'm well aware that the G751 with the 970m and 16gb of ram will be released in a few weeks for $150 more. The fact that tis one has a touch screen is kind of important to me. I also really don't know how much of my gaming time will be on this as I have a PS4 and XboxOne. Even then, the 860m should be on par with those, right?

In the end , I guess I really want a very durable capable laptop for work and gaming If I choose. Was going to get the non ROG model there with the 850m for $350 less, but the case, keyboard, 17inch screen led me to this.

As you can tell, I'm torn on what to do.......

Ginseng
10-25-2014, 12:21 AM
Hi guvadc, I still don't own any of those laptops but I think "Haswell" is related to the CPU and yes the G751 has an Intel Haswell as CPU.

The 860m in your G751 should be a Maxwell... probably you wanted to know if your 860m was Maxwell or Kepler... Maxwell is better than Kepler.

The G751JM is the only one that will come with a touchscreen... I think at this point your choice should be made basing on how much you need that touchscreen and if you're willing to renounce to more performances for it. It all depends on what you're planning to do with it...

For more detailed infos, let's wait for the other (more expert) users to answer :P

guvadc
10-25-2014, 01:06 AM
buy what u can afford u have a wonderful laptop , yes on par with PS4 u have time to think about it if u decide to exchange it for a different one keep your receipt in case , I don't know of any game u could not play with what u have . list the exact model # and whats in it should be on the box

Thanks, the model number is G751JM-BHI7N27. I can afford both, but the of course the 24 month financing makes it nicer.

guvadc
10-25-2014, 01:28 AM
Hi guvadc, I still don't own any of those laptops but I think "Haswell" is related to the CPU and yes the G751 has an Intel Haswell as CPU.

The 860m in your G751 should be a Maxwell... probably you wanted to know if your 860m was Maxwell or Kepler... Maxwell is better than Kepler.

The G751JM is the only one that will come with a touchscreen... I think at this point your choice should be made basing on how much you need that touchscreen and if you're willing to renounce to more performances for it. It all depends on what you're planning to do with it...

For more detailed infos, let's wait for the other (more expert) users to answer :P

You're right, I meant Maxwell or Kepler, sorry for the confusion.

I'm not sure I really mean for the laptop to be my main gaming platform. If I did, I would go for the one with the 980m for 2499. Can't justify that though when I can keep the one I have and build a powerful desktop for the same price.

hmscott
10-25-2014, 02:27 AM
Ok, so I caved today and bought the BB version of the G751JM ( 24 months 0% financing helped). I have not unboxed it yet though.....

In regards to the 860m that is in this G751JM , is it the one based off the Haswell, or Maxwell? In other words, is it the better one? If I remember right there were 2 versions.

I'm well aware that the G751 with the 970m and 16gb of ram will be released in a few weeks for $150 more. The fact that tis one has a touch screen is kind of important to me. I also really don't know how much of my gaming time will be on this as I have a PS4 and XboxOne. Even then, the 860m should be on par with those, right?

In the end , I guess I really want a very durable capable laptop for work and gaming If I choose. Was going to get the non ROG model there with the 850m for $350 less, but the case, keyboard, 17inch screen led me to this.

As you can tell, I'm torn on what to do.......

guvadc, have you used a touch screen laptop at length before?, for work / school / etc - trying to get work done? It tires out your arms, and getting the right balance of keyboard / mouse / screen while holding your arms up over the keyboard gets tiring, at least for me :)

Touch works great when the device is in your hands, but holding your arms out for long periods of time gets tiring. The ergo-dynamics of a touch screen on the other side of a keyboard isn't ideal, that is why some laptops convert with the screen in front, or lift off completely so you can hold it.

Plus you get the screen gunked up with human oils and food particles within a short period of time. If you have a phone/tablet you know how it gets with daily use. You end up cleaning it off all the time, and you can't wipe a laptop screen off on your shirt ;)

You can't compare Console performance to PC performance. A PC performing as well as a Console wouldn't play many high end PC games. If you are getting a gaming laptop, then get the top end, or at least the 970m, as you said it is only $150 more, and the performance difference is large.

If you don't want a gaming laptop, but you want a touch Windows computer, consider the 2 in 1 or a laptop dedicated to providing the best touch experience.

You could always get both, a gaming laptop and a 2 in 1 Intel Bay Trail Windows 8.1 Touch device, that's what I plan on doing.

This is a nice 2nd screen / touch interface, you could try this on the JT/JY model non-touch screen G751:

Dell - 21.5" LED HD Touch-Screen Monitor
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-21-5-led-hd-touch-screen-monitor/9196102.p?id=1219002586460&skuId=9196102

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If you do end up keeping the G751JM, please update us and let us know how it works out :)

guvadc
10-25-2014, 11:14 AM
Thanks for all the responses! Below is another model I'm looking at and might return the G751m for it ( still haven't opened it yet. The below model has the GT840M which I do think is a lot worse than the 860M(??).

I really want a 17 inch display since I will be doing a lot of work on it ( work form home mostly) , but the smaller size of the other is nice as well.Are the G751 series comfortable to use as an actual laptop? I will be sitting on my couch to use mostly.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-2-in-1-15-6-touch-screen-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-black/7289029.p;jsessionid=C9301333DD7530A6F4045B01F7D98 F53.bbolsp-app04-181?id=1219262038351&skuId=7289029&st=categoryid$pcmcat247400050000&cp=1&lp=7

MHaensel
10-25-2014, 06:03 PM
I can't speak for laptop-use comfort yet. However, in games, the 840m is about 1/3 the speed (http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-860M-vs-GeForce-840M) of the 860m, and similar to Intel Iris Pro integrated graphics in frame rates. If gaming matters to you, you're going to miss that performance.

DungeonShredder
10-25-2014, 08:35 PM
anything less than a 970m would be off my list the performance to cost ratio is not worth going less if gaming is at all important to you.
it's hard for me to use my g751jy at the moment. I'm so used to windows 8 on my surface pro2 I can't stop touching the screen
slowly getting used to it. the g751 is okay in my lap I grabbed a cushioned lap desk for it I have yet to try it.

hmscott
10-25-2014, 09:21 PM
Thanks for all the responses! Below is another model I'm looking at and might return the G751m for it ( still haven't opened it yet. The below model has the GT840M which I do think is a lot worse than the 860M(??).

I really want a 17 inch display since I will be doing a lot of work on it ( work form home mostly) , but the smaller size of the other is nice as well.Are the G751 series comfortable to use as an actual laptop? I will be sitting on my couch to use mostly.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-2-in-1-15-6-touch-screen-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-black/7289029.p;jsessionid=C9301333DD7530A6F4045B01F7D98 F53.bbolsp-app04-181?id=1219262038351&skuId=7289029&st=categoryid$pcmcat247400050000&cp=1&lp=7

guvadc, those are nice, the newer i7 2 in 1's, if you are only going to get that - since it costs so much I am assuming it would be the only laptop you would buy.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting the G751JT or JY - for full gaming performance, and then get an inexpensive - but fast performing new Bay Trail based CPU - like these 2 new models (don't get the old ones with the old CPU).

$329 => ASUS Transformer Book T100TAF-B1-BF 10.1" Detachable 2-in-1 Touchscreen Laptop, 32 GB
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OBQ59UK/ref=amb_link_426058822_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=hero-quick-promo&pf_rd_r=1VA073DEK1ND2XVQV0QA&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1957492542&pf_rd_i=B00OBA5AZU

$499 => ASUS Transformer Book T200TA-C1-BL 2-in-1 Detachable 11.6" Laptop, 4 GB RAM 64 GB Storage
http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-T200TA-C1-BL-Detachable-Laptop-Storage/dp/B00NMVEWC6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_pc_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=17DT2Z9PPBB44QP8ZQ50

Those are touch, fast, full Windows, and very portable, and cheap enough to pair with a real gaming laptop like the G751JT/JY :)

A 17" touch tablet, or 2 in 1, would be too large to hold, these are a nice size for touch.

What do you think?

guvadc
10-26-2014, 03:27 AM
guvadc, those are nice, the newer i7 2 in 1's, if you are only going to get that - since it costs so much I am assuming it would be the only laptop you would buy.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting the G751JT or JY - for full gaming performance, and then get an inexpensive - but fast performing new Bay Trail based CPU - like these 2 new models (don't get the old ones with the old CPU).

$329 => ASUS Transformer Book T100TAF-B1-BF 10.1" Detachable 2-in-1 Touchscreen Laptop, 32 GB
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OBQ59UK/ref=amb_link_426058822_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=hero-quick-promo&pf_rd_r=1VA073DEK1ND2XVQV0QA&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1957492542&pf_rd_i=B00OBA5AZU

$499 => ASUS Transformer Book T200TA-C1-BL 2-in-1 Detachable 11.6" Laptop, 4 GB RAM 64 GB Storage
http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-T200TA-C1-BL-Detachable-Laptop-Storage/dp/B00NMVEWC6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_pc_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=17DT2Z9PPBB44QP8ZQ50

Those are touch, fast, full Windows, and very portable, and cheap enough to pair with a real gaming laptop like the G751JT/JY :)

A 17" touch tablet, or 2 in 1, would be too large to hold, these are a nice size for touch.

What do you think?

I ended up returning the G751M and did not get any thing to replace it yet.

I'm having a hard time deciding what I really want to get out of a PC/ laptop. I do want at least a nice 15 + inch screen for work and productivity. I've also been a gaming enthusiast for many years ( 40 yo) and most of that has been on consoles. I see an end to consoles as we know it, this current generation is underpowered and will not last long. This is kind of making me look at the PC's for gaming now and in the future.

That said , I'm now also looking at either an MSI GT72 Dominator or a Sager NP8278. Both of these have the 970M with 6GB vram as opposed to the ASUS only having 3GB. I can get the Sager nicely equipped with more ram and SSD for about 1750. I'm even tempted to spend more and get the ones with the 980M and 8GB vram.

If I do any of that , the laptop would replace consoles and become my main gaming platform. I could either play as is , or hook it up to my home theater and play on my big screen.

hmscott
10-26-2014, 04:47 AM
I ended up returning the G751M and did not get any thing to replace it yet.

I'm having a hard time deciding what I really want to get out of a PC/ laptop. I do want at least a nice 15 + inch screen for work and productivity. I've also been a gaming enthusiast for many years ( 40 yo) and most of that has been on consoles. I see an end to consoles as we know it, this current generation is underpowered and will not last long. This is kind of making me look at the PC's for gaming now and in the future.

That said , I'm now also looking at either an MSI GT72 Dominator or a Sager NP8278. Both of these have the 970M with 6GB vram as opposed to the ASUS only having 3GB. I can get the Sager nicely equipped with more ram and SSD for about 1750. I'm even tempted to spend more and get the ones with the 980M and 8GB vram.

If I do any of that , the laptop would replace consoles and become my main gaming platform. I could either play as is , or hook it up to my home theater and play on my big screen.

guvadc, consoles aren't going anywhere... they may get better sooner than their old upgrade schedules, but even so - it is possible to create entertaining games for them for a long time - so that is where the $ will go for development for most consumers.

PC gaming has a long life ahead too, it's a different group of people than most consumers, but even PC gamers get consoles - at least the ones I know do.

Consoles are inexpensive, and you can have several, along with PC's / Mac's and mobile devices - one doesn't exclude the other.

The MSI and Sager have their own issues, you should spend time in their support forums too.

The 3GB vs 6GB/8GB issue isn't much of one. Check what size VRAM the GTX 780TI and new GTX970/980 desktop cards have... 3GB/4GB. And, there is a huge installed base of cards with 2/3/4GB that want to buy games, so no game that wants to make $ is going to exclude those cards in support.

There is no perfect answer, but whatever you get be happy with it - as long as it is working the way you want it to.

Please be sure and come back and let us know what you get :)

guvadc
10-29-2014, 12:46 AM
Ok, so I'm having second thoughts about the G751M at BB and really do want the touch screen model.

I keep hearing bad things about the optimus drivers, does anyone know if this one has them since it has the 860m?

When hooking up to a TV via HDMI, would I lose any thing in regards to performance? I guess this where the whole optimus thing comes into play.

Is it possible that this version of the 860m has been "enhanced" in anyway from last years models?

MHaensel
10-30-2014, 12:34 AM
A heads up for people ordering from Best Buy: not all the G751JMs have a touch screen. I ordered one and it came without a touch screen. The return was painless, but I'm sure both BB and the people ordering would rather get what's expected. You might call to confirm you're getting a touch model if that's what you want.

guvadc
10-30-2014, 02:53 AM
A heads up for people ordering from Best Buy: not all the G751JMs have a touch screen. I ordered one and it came without a touch screen. The return was painless, but I'm sure both BB and the people ordering would rather get what's expected. You might call to confirm you're getting a touch model if that's what you want.

Well, I just picked up the one I had originally returned and it has a touch screen.

So far I think it's great! I absolutely love the screen as its not a matte screen. Not sure if the non-touch screen models have the matte screen or not as I have not seen them.

SpikeB
10-30-2014, 08:20 PM
Good choice on returning it. I just, JUST bought the same from Best Buy today and the screen was flickering right at start... It's not a software issue...it's a hardware issue. FML. Returning it TODAY!

hmscott
10-31-2014, 12:16 AM
As guvadc has noted elsewhere, the G751JM has Optimus, so for me the G751JM is off my recommended buy list.

The G751JT has a config that is only $100-150 more, when it releases, so I would recommend upgrading to the G751JT with the 970m and no Optimus.

MHaensel
11-03-2014, 07:40 AM
As of this weekend, Best Buy has split the G751JM into different models/SKUs. They both cost the same today.
(Matte) Non-touch screen: G751JM-BHI7N27
(Glossy) Touch screen: G751JM-BHI7T25

I'm filling in the matte/glossy based on my experience with the non-touch models and other forum posts. Hope this helps!

old Dusty
11-20-2014, 09:20 PM
I can't recommend MSI, in three years, My GT780DX was in under warranty twice, and now BOTH hinges have broken free of the frame AND I've duct taped the screen to a board, nailed to a tray to keep the screen upright.

tteksystems
07-27-2015, 02:24 PM
As of this weekend, Best Buy has split the G751JM into different models/SKUs. They both cost the same today.
(Matte) Non-touch screen: G751JM-BHI7N27
(Glossy) Touch screen: G751JM-BHI7T25

I'm filling in the matte/glossy based on my experience with the non-touch models and other forum posts. Hope this helps!


That must not be consistent because I have the G751JM-BHI7N27 and it's touch screen and glossy. But what else would you expect from ASUS? They can't ever make something simple and keep it that way. That is what the T stands for in the model number. T=TOUCH and N=NON-TOUCH

But ASUS must have made a vendor change for screens and Best Buy kept the model numbers the same probably to save the aggravation of changing the scan info and advertisement tags because I have friends that bought these same models and there was even a Matt finish with touch on one of them. I've learned that ASUS makes so many different variations of their models and then they have some specific specs and models that are made exclusively for specific stores and their is always so much research needed to get to the bottom of things and it's a big hassle. If it was so efficient then we would not have people ending up with a Matt Non Touch version when they expected a Glossy WITH Touch. Asus needs to learn how to simplify things just a little better for end users. It's high time they allow for some custom ordering from stores like bestbuy. Memory and hard drive upgrades are under the user access panel and literally take minutes to access. This outrageous list of different model numbers and specs is so stupid and shows no uniformity.

Base Model options should be minimal and have different CPU/Video chipset configurations. But that's where the model name list should end and the following options should be ours to choose when we order
1. Memory
2. Hard Drive/SSD

Even if there are better ways to address simplifying things, Asus's way is redundant and more confusing thatn it needs to be. And IPS has been around long enough with substantial improvements that even a gaming laptop, especially one of this calibur, should have one standard. All the gaming systems coming out now that don't have a high quality screen should be thrown in the trash. That trick of using low quality cheap screens is getting old and laptop manufacturers do it to meet a price point thinking we are too stupid to realize it. And anything less than 1080p on any laptop 15.5" or larger is an abomination. And whoever thought a 4k SCREEN on a laptop with ****ty video less than GTX980 should be fired or hunted down and tied to a tree and...... 'nuff said. Lenovo

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