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Noel
11-19-2014, 06:39 PM
Hi, i had my new G751 JY G71 delivered yesterday, but i have a little problem, when i restarted i found that there where 74 updates and i have not yet made a system back up on a USB Flash drive yet, will this be a problem? or do i have to do a system recovery to make my PC factory state before i do a backup?

hmscott
11-19-2014, 06:51 PM
Hi, i had my new G751 JY G71 delivered yesterday, but i have a little problem, when i restarted i found that there where 74 updates and i have not yet made a system back up on a USB Flash drive yet, will this be a problem? or do i have to do a system recovery to make my PC factory state before i do a backup?

Noel, the Asus Backtracker program reads from the Recovery Partition - about 20GB - which is independent from your running boot volume. You can do the updates, installs, etc without affecting the Recovery Partition :)

Have fun :)

Tindrael
11-19-2014, 07:14 PM
Do a backup with Asus Backtracker.

hmscott
11-19-2014, 07:19 PM
Do a backup with Asus Backtracker.

Tindrael is right, the sooner you create the Asus Backtracker flash recovery drive the better - don't delay. :)

Noel
11-19-2014, 07:39 PM
Ok thanks Hmscott, and Tindreal, Last question please! So i got a Kingston DataTraveler Ultimate G3 32GB USB 3.0 Read 150MB/s, Write 70MB/s

will backtracker make it bootable? what if the USB FD is fat32 not ntfs ,will it be done by Backtracker? Cheers!

hmscott
11-19-2014, 07:47 PM
Ok thanks Hmscott, and Tindreal, Last question please! So i got a Kingston DataTraveler Ultimate G3 32GB USB 3.0 Read 150MB/s, Write 70MB/s

will backtracker make it bootable? what if the USB FD is fat32 not ntfs ,will it be done by Backtracker? Cheers!

Noel, Backtacker reformats and partitions the USB drive. With a 32GB drive it will only create a 20GB partition and waste the rest, but it might work. I haven't tried that make/model. After creating do a test restore onto a drive to make sure it works - sometimes it creates ok but the restores fail. Don't forget to remove the 2nd bay drive before restoring, and when creating make sure you don't have any other USB storage connected except for the USB Flash drive you are using for the recovery backup.

Please come back and let us know how the Kingston DataTraveler Ultimate G3 32GB USB 3.0 works :)

Noel
11-20-2014, 09:26 PM
Noel, Backtacker reformats and partitions the USB drive. With a 32GB drive it will only create a 20GB partition and waste the rest, but it might work. I haven't tried that make/model. After creating do a test restore onto a drive to make sure it works - sometimes it creates ok but the restores fail. Don't forget to remove the 2nd bay drive before restoring, and when creating make sure you don't have any other USB storage connected except for the USB Flash drive you are using for the recovery backup.

Please come back and let us know how the Kingston DataTraveler Ultimate G3 32GB USB 3.0 works :)


I'm confused now not a tech or pro here just a basic user with few know hows. no idea what is second bay drive,I'm thinking it has to do by opening the back of the PC Right?? and remove the SSD ???? i just wont to make a system backup recovery but as for trying it out i'm not that keen to give it a try, but is there another way one can test it ? I'm afraid to try on my machine. and lets say my Unit get corrupted and i be needing the backup from the USB FD, do i still have to remove the 2nd bay drive? or is it just to test my back up From the USB FD to check if it was successful ?

regards Noel

andreacos92
11-20-2014, 10:22 PM
I'm confused now not a tech or pro here just a basic user with few know hows. no idea what is second bay drive,I'm thinking it has to do by opening the back of the PC Right?? and remove the SSD ???? i just wont to make a system backup recovery but as for trying it out i'm not that keen to give it a try, but is there another way one can test it ? I'm afraid to try on my machine. and lets say my Unit get corrupted and i be needing the backup from the USB FD, do i still have to remove the 2nd bay drive? or is it just to test my back up From the USB FD to check if it was successful ?

regards Noel

Hi Noel, look at this post (http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?53790-A-Simple-Question-Does-the-g751jy-have-a-backup-on-it&p=451302&viewfull=1#post451302) and the successives.

I asked about same questions and hmscott was very exhaustive :)

Noel
11-20-2014, 11:29 PM
format HHD and USB drive and retry to create the backup on the USB drive with Asus Backtracker, until it will work.

This last bit above of the post you linked to me is not clear enough, if it did not work, why format the HHD?

i have been on Asus website and notice my bios is version 202, and there is 203 204 updates, is it best to update after a back up or not important? do i have to update bios ?

thanks.

hmscott
11-21-2014, 12:10 AM
format HHD and USB drive and retry to create the backup on the USB drive with Asus Backtracker, until it will work.

This last bit above of the post you linked to me is not clear enough, if it did not work, why format the HHD?

i have been on Asus website and notice my bios is version 202, and there is 203 204 updates, is it best to update after a back up or not important? do i have to update bios ?

thanks.

Noel, it's common sense to not erase the original until you have a working restore copy :)

The new SSD/HDD will get formated by the restore, so don't bother doing it yourself. Same for the flash drive, the Asus Backtracker will erase it before creating the bootable restore partition on it.

You might want to take your time with this and make sure of what you are doing before doing it. Asking if you should erase the original is a bit worrisome - let your common sense act before folling rote instructions. Write up the steps yourself in your own words / thoughts and have them make sense to you before starting.

And, yes, update the BIOS right away. You need to be running 204 to get the temperature reduction benefits.

Good luck!

Noel
11-21-2014, 01:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhgSmJWMN0 saw this vid and on the same USB FD, he backed up first the factory recovery image, then the Asus driver/app,,, is this what i do like the vid? Then to test i mite get a tech at home as i don't wont to make a mistake that cost me over 1800 GBP.

thank you for your time but please bare with me as I'm not so good at these things.

hmscott
11-21-2014, 01:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhgSmJWMN0 saw this vid and on the same USB FD, he backed up first the factory recovery image, then the Asus driver/app,,, is this what i do like the vid? Then to test i mite get a tech at home as i don't wont to make a mistake that cost me over 1800 GBP.

thank you for your time but please bare with me as I'm not so good at these things.

Noel, you could just run the app and follow the instructions :)

Here is where to download it:

Here is the latest Asus Backtracker for Windows 8.1
http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=Backtracker&hashedid=n%2fa

And, although that video looks like the right thing, it may have been changed/updated since the release of the software they used, even though the video is recent. I don't read whatever language that is, so I can't verify the steps they took.

Whatever you do, don't delete the recovery partition, and don't erase, reformat, or install an OS over the original HDD. That is your only known good copy of the OS install and Recovery partition.

Even after creating the USB 3.0 16 GB Flash Recovery drive from Asus Backtracker, I would still keep the original HDD - those are cheap, like $50, and you can save it for the day you need it - you might lose the USB thumb drive, your roomate/officemate might need it to copy/transfer files , you might even do it - so keep the original disk aside to put back in the laptop if you ever need to RMA it.

It's good to be cautious.

Have fun :)

Tindreal
11-21-2014, 07:05 PM
Noel, it's common sense to not erase the original until you have a working restore copy :)

The new SSD/HDD will get formated by the restore, so don't bother doing it yourself. Same for the flash drive, the Asus Backtracker will erase it before creating the bootable restore partition on it.

You might want to take your time with this and make sure of what you are doing before doing it. Asking if you should erase the original is a bit worrisome - let your common sense act before folling rote instructions. Write up the steps yourself in your own words / thoughts and have them make sense to you before starting.

And, yes, update the BIOS right away. You need to be running 204 to get the temperature reduction benefits.

Good luck!

Actually BIOS 205 is the newest available BIOS.

bookedirl
11-21-2014, 07:30 PM
Actually BIOS 205 is the newest available BIOS.

Link to 205 bios? It's not on the ASUS support website....

hmscott
11-22-2014, 12:04 AM
Actually BIOS 205 is the newest available BIOS.

Tindreal, you are the 2nd one since last night that mentioned BIOS 205 is available, but on the US sites it is still only up to 204.

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Remember, if ya got a cool scoop, dish the full 411, drop the link, URL, or other details that will get us there - not just the name, but the download URL and download area URL. Maybe even the region you are from.

Thanks for trying :)

symantec9
12-08-2014, 02:26 PM
http://www.asus.com/sg/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ASUS_ROG_G751JT/HelpDesk_Download/
BIOS 205 is the latest?

fidelity101
12-15-2014, 11:57 PM
I can't find BIOS version 205 on the asus website under the G751JY laptop....why? I hope ASUS didn't pull the bios because of an issue as I'm currently running 205 (updated thinking it would fix my USB 3.0 issue)

My Asus G75 was VERY fast to restart and turn on from a fresh power up. I'm not sure why this new G751JY takes significantly longer to boot to windows but fast boot is enabled in the BIOS. I REALLY hope these two issues aren't related.