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Tektium
01-12-2015, 06:53 PM
Hi. I'm in the process of helping a friend buy a gaming laptop.

He drives trucks across the USA, so we're looking for a laptop that has a good SSD and nothing else as the vibration from truck driving would quickly kill an HDD.

I'm unable to find a G551 or a G751 without a HDD. I'm not opposed to the idea of just removing it ourselves and buying a SSD separately, but I'm trying to find a solution that doesn't involve my friend having to open the laptop, and not having to buy extra things and discard a perfectly good 1TB HDD.

Any ideas ?

BringRuck
01-13-2015, 05:07 PM
To me it seems your only option is to install an SSD yourself and remove the HDD, it's quite easy. I just did it a week ago to my G751JT-CH71 so let me know if you need any help.

Tektium
01-13-2015, 08:36 PM
Thanks for the answer. I'd be able to do it fairly easily yes, but it's kind of a waste of money to buy the laptop with a HDD to start with. I was hoping there'd be a solution with an Asus laptop that comes with only a SSD or two as standard.

hmscott
01-13-2015, 08:55 PM
Thanks for the answer. I'd be able to do it fairly easily yes, but it's kind of a waste of money to buy the laptop with a HDD to start with. I was hoping there'd be a solution with an Asus laptop that comes with only a SSD or two as standard.

Tektium, it depends on the region as to what the included components are. In the US it comes with an SSD + 1TB HDD, but there is no SSD only configuration.

The good news is, you can set that original HDD aside with the recovery partition intact, and use it as a backup to create Asus Backtracker flash recovery drive to use to install to your new SSD. Or, you can clone using something like Macrium Reflect from the HDD to the SSD, and then set the HDD aside as your original OS backup.

Please let us know how your new G751 works out :)

Tektium
01-14-2015, 04:45 AM
Looking at this one for example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232203&cm_re=ASUS_ROG_G751-_-34-232-203-_-Product

Any way to acquire exactly the same SSD from a retailer ? Do you know precisely what model it is ? I'd like to get the exact same one just to be sure.

wildtiger
01-14-2015, 08:05 AM
Looking at this one for example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232203&cm_re=ASUS_ROG_G751-_-34-232-203-_-Product

Any way to acquire exactly the same SSD from a retailer ? Do you know precisely what model it is ? I'd like to get the exact same one just to be sure.

No problem, i got that model with SSD name of SSD is SanDisk 45434 , speed 492 MB/S Read , 480MB/s Write

Tektium
01-15-2015, 09:16 AM
Haha, you people lied to me ! You wanted to keep all the cool stuff to yourself. Lookit what I found:

http://www.amazon.com/GL551JM-DH71-i7-4710HQ-500GB-Mobile-Gaming/dp/B00PM73ILO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421311215&sr=1-1&keywords=ASUS+GL551JM+500GB+SSD&pebp=1421311217164&peasin=B00PM73ILO

This one only comes with a 500GB SSD. It's smaller but it still fits the profile ! I think it's perfect for a truck driver.

hmscott
01-15-2015, 10:01 AM
Haha, you people lied to me ! You wanted to keep all the cool stuff to yourself. Lookit what I found:

http://www.amazon.com/GL551JM-DH71-i7-4710HQ-500GB-Mobile-Gaming/dp/B00PM73ILO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421311215&sr=1-1&keywords=ASUS+GL551JM+500GB+SSD&pebp=1421311217164&peasin=B00PM73ILO

This one only comes with a 500GB SSD. It's smaller but it still fits the profile ! I think it's perfect for a truck driver.

Tektium, the screen is too small, and the GPU is too slow...

ASUS GL551JM-DH71 15.6" i7-4710HQ 16GB 500GB SSD Full HD Blu Ray Win 8.1 Mobile Gaming PC
http://www.amazon.com/GL551JM-DH71-i7-4710HQ-500GB-Mobile-Gaming/dp/B00PM73ILO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421311215&sr=1-1&keywords=ASUS+GL551JM+500GB+SSD&pebp=1421311217164&peasin=B00PM73ILO

You can always add an SSD, but you can't upgrade the screen size or GPU :)

If you are worried about jostling the drive, take it out and put it on the desk at home and use it for backups - including keeping the OS intact as a backup for the original OS.

Those 1TB HDD drives are inexpensive, you can get them for $50. Get another one and clone it and keep the new one in the laptop for the road and the original at home. That could tide you over till you find the right deal on a new SSD.

The better choice, on that same page listed in the table below is the G751JT. Nice large screen 17.4", and a new generation GPU the GTX 970m.

ASUS ROG G751JT-CH71 17.3-Inch Laptop (Black)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NVV2B98/ref=psdc_565108_t1_B00PM73ILO

You don't need to get a M.2 PCIE x4 SSD, but you could. I am sure a much less expensive 2.5" SSD would do you just as well. And, the prices have never been lower :)

The little bitty 15" screen isn't fun for long periods. The 17.4" is just about right.

For $125 more, you would have a much more capable machine that would remain capable for longer than an 860m.

You could wait for the 15" GX500 with a 965m, if you really think you want a 15" laptop, or wait for the G751JL with a 965m... IDK when it is shipping.

Tektium
01-15-2015, 07:19 PM
Thanks hmscott. Very good advice.

I agree with the 860m being a really bad card completely. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html says there it's 0.5x as good as a 970M :s

I've already seen the laptop you linked, and it's a really, really good one, and the value is incredible. But you gotta understand the truck driving part better: there is no "home". Truck drivers just drive forever and sometimes they take a break but mostly it's just 6 months of living in a truck. And trucks vibrate.

To my technical mind, this means a 1TB HDD is just a time bomb (albeit a cheap one, you are right) that might cripple you when you're in the middle of Alaska or w/e.

If we buy this laptop and add a SSD to it, the price is gonna hike significantly. Upwards 1800$. This is compared to the 1300$ 15' and it has a 500GB SSD already !

We're undecided on the 15'' vs 17'' thing. It might be a deal breaker, you're right.

Another fact: this laptop supposed to be an experiment: can a delicate Asus ROG laptop survive in a truck for a year ? I think the intention there is to buy the cheapest good thing possible, and then buy a better one later.

hmscott
01-15-2015, 09:12 PM
Thanks hmscott. Very good advice.

I agree with the 860m being a really bad card completely. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html says there it's 0.5x as good as a 970M :s

I've already seen the laptop you linked, and it's a really, really good one, and the value is incredible. But you gotta understand the truck driving part better: there is no "home". Truck drivers just drive forever and sometimes they take a break but mostly it's just 6 months of living in a truck. And trucks vibrate.

To my technical mind, this means a 1TB HDD is just a time bomb (albeit a cheap one, you are right) that might cripple you when you're in the middle of Alaska or w/e.

If we buy this laptop and add a SSD to it, the price is gonna hike significantly. Upwards 1800$. This is compared to the 1300$ 15' and it has a 500GB SSD already !

We're undecided on the 15'' vs 17'' thing. It might be a deal breaker, you're right.

Another fact: this laptop supposed to be an experiment: can a delicate Asus ROG laptop survive in a truck for a year ? I think the intention there is to buy the cheapest good thing possible, and then buy a better one later.

Tektium, the G751JL might be that much cheaper enough to help. It has a 765m, somewhat between the 860m and the 970m. But, I would still go with at least the 970. It is one of those things where the base ante is large enough that the additional amounts add up to small change over 1 year.

You could live with the HDD for a while as part of the experiment. And, then swap the Samsung Evo 850 512GB for $229 in a month or two:

Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-75E500B/AM)
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E500B-AM/dp/B00OBRE5UE/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421355696&sr=1-2&keywords=samsung+evo+512gb

I thought I had seen mounting platforms that reduced the shock effect enough to allow laptops to be mounted in the cab? Those probably aren't cheap either :)

I would imagine a nice 10-12" Tablet for the Cab and the laptop in the Living Quarters when not driving would be optimal. That way you don't need to run the laptop while it is shaking, and gradually work up to the anti-shock tray for the laptop later.

I would imagine this has been done, but I don't know where to look for the solutions. Do you have some urls?

Finally! A Windows Based Tablet for Transportation and Logistics. - not a recommendation, just an example of a complete solution.
http://go.ruggedtabletpc.com/trucking-industry-tablet?utm_campaign=Lead%3A+PPC+|+Industries+|+Tru cking&utm_medium=PPC&utm_source=PPC&gclid=CJ-q1Jb0lsMCFcZbfgodcy4AGg

These don't seem to have the active anti-shake bed/platform I recall seeing.

Universal No-Drill(TM) Laptop Mount for Freightliner Trucks, International Trucks, Kenworth Trucks, Mack Trucks, Peterbilt Trucks & Volvo Trucks
http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Mount-Freightliner-International-Peterbilt/dp/B001QKOECS/ref=pd_sim_sbs_pc_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=06Z5NE4S8GSN2HZ9CMZW#customerReviews

Tough Desk Ultra with Universal No-Drill Laptop Base for Freightliner Trucks, International Trucks, Kenworth Trucks, Mack Trucks, Peterbilt Trucks & Volvo Trucks
http://www.amazon.com/Desk-Universal-Freightliner-International-Peterbilt/dp/B00942GD6U
http://www.amazon.com/Tough-Desk-Ultra-Truck-Laptop/dp/B00941W6PI/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1421356320&sr=1-3

Have you found any good mounts?...

Tektium
01-15-2015, 09:48 PM
You can always add an SSD, but you can't upgrade the screen size or GPU

I think you hit the thingy on the nose right there. We're going for the 970M for 1600$, and we'll add the SSD on top later like you said.

Your help has been amazing and jesus those truck mounts thing is exactly what I was going to look for next. No, we havent found any good ones yet, especially since a 17'' laptop is probably outside the scope of those little things you've linked.

Honestly it's probably something that the driver will build himself with rubber and plastic tubes and ****. We'll see. If you find a good one, share immediately that's super important.

Another question would be: I've been searching for a laptop case that is HARDCORE as hell. We need something like one of those suitcases you put weapons in. Unfortunately, hard to find for 17'' as well !

hmscott
01-15-2015, 10:27 PM
I think you hit the thingy on the nose right there. We're going for the 970M for 1600$, and we'll add the SSD on top later like you said.

Your help has been amazing and jesus those truck mounts thing is exactly what I was going to look for next. No, we havent found any good ones yet, especially since a 17'' laptop is probably outside the scope of those little things you've linked.

Honestly it's probably something that the driver will build himself with rubber and plastic tubes and ****. We'll see. If you find a good one, share immediately that's super important.
Another question would be: I've been searching for a laptop case that is HARDCORE as hell. We need something like one of those suitcases you put weapons in. Unfortunately, hard to find for 17'' as well !

There are several levels of armor, and I would start with the less expensive utilitarian models by Zero, and I included some of the fancier Zero Halliburton cases - watch for size.

The Zero cases are foam filled and you cut out what you need for placement of the laptop / etc. The Zero Halliburton are more briefcase like, and expensive.

http://www.zerocases.com/index.html

http://zerohalliburton.com/work/laptop-tablet/

http://zerohalliburton.com/collections/geo-aluminum-attaches/geo-aluminum-large-computer-case/

The Asus Nomad might be a good start. It is soft sided but rigid / solid with lots of padding and space for extras. If you can protect it between solid cover, that would be what I would go with. Maybe carbon fiber armor plates - ribs to stiffen / protect.

You can option up these backpacks with ballistic armor - the bag is too small, but the option plates might work for the Nomad:
http://www.scorpiustactical.com/products/condor-160-venture-pack?variant=459950465&gclid=CKX0wI6Il8MCFRBgfgodIhsA2A

Personal plates could also be used:
http://www.scorpiustactical.com/collections/body-armor-packages

The mount might need to be researched at the company sites, calls in to explain the specific need, and / or check out truck stop solutions in route - maybe there are laptop platforms on display as add-on's in the on the road shops.

Have fun :)

Tektium
01-17-2015, 10:20 AM
Haha the Zero halliburton cases look so amazing it's ridiculous. These prices though 9_9 you'd think those were made of solid platinum.

Is there a version of the Nomad that doesn't have the goofy red lines ? We might go for that as a cheap first option. Despite not being a hard case it does look well padded.

Once again thank you for the exceptional advice.