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darknyght
03-19-2015, 12:18 PM
Hello
well i have problem with one of the screw that doesn't accept to be taken off , the other three went off from the bay fine but the fourth one
is very low quality when i try to remove it , the shape of the screw gets eaten when i try to screw it off , very low quality , the problem now how the hell i can take it off

ross.a.mcivor
03-19-2015, 01:15 PM
Id file the sides of the screw and then get some cable grips and try that way otherwise get a 2mm drill and slowly drill it out

cl-Albert
03-19-2015, 04:24 PM
fyi. Not sure if this is happening for this case, but I've had problems removing screws from hard drive housings myself with small hand screwdrivers and usually need to find a mechanical screwdriver to help remove them or find a bigger screwdriver with a better grip and fit to the screw (for better torque).

Sorry that it's not going to help for this particular case, but just wanted to suggest for other people having trouble removing a screw and you're starting to strip the screw, try to find a better screwdriver with a better fit and grip or even an electric screwdriver (with the correct tip for the screw of course) if possible, but not everybody may have one of these lying around.

It appears many of the screws have been tightened with electrical screwdrivers that will not always be easy to untighten by hand if you don't have a 'good' screwdriver that provides a good fit and grip.

Anyway, just hoping this may help people avoid resorting to using a drill to remove stripped screws.


Also, if anybody does resort to a using a drill to remove stripped screws, please be very careful that all the metal debris has been removed since it could be disaster if any metal pieces found their way into the notebook.

hmscott
03-19-2015, 04:50 PM
Guys, Asus has started using Blue Loctite on their HDD screws, which make it really tough to remove - make sure you have a good fitting screwdriver with a hefty handle that gives you good grip and plenty of leverage - and if it doesn't budge at first - don't strip the head - you are going to need to apply heat to the screw to loosen up the Blue Loctite before you can remove the screw.

G751JY, tried upgrading HDD to SSD, screws so tight, got worn out, what to do?
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?58507-G751JY-tried-upgrading-HDD-to-SSD-screws-so-tight-got-worn-out-what-to-do&p=480487&viewfull=1#post480487

Rounded off screws when trying to install an ssd, and advice to remove them?
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?58654-Rounded-off-screws-when-trying-to-install-an-ssd-and-advice-to-remove-them&p=481545&viewfull=1#post481545

Remember, don't use a heat gun / hair dryer to heat up the screw, you will overheat your HDD/SSD as well!

Heat from a small soldering iron should be enough, applied directly to the screw for a minute or until the Blue Loctite releases.

Good luck!

ross.a.mcivor
03-19-2015, 05:45 PM
Or maybe just a little nail polish remover, if you are working with unpainted metals, Compaq did this many years ago, and with star ended screws it was a pain then, and a pain now I bet

hmscott
03-19-2015, 06:02 PM
Or maybe just a little nail polish remover, if you are working with unpainted metals, Compaq did this many years ago, and with star ended screws it was a pain then, and a pain now I bet

Typically that would have been my first recommendation to loosen Loctite, but the caddy screws are counter sunk and have tight threads, the nail polish won't be able to reach the loctite - Asus put it on the bottom of the screw, not the neck, so you can't even tell it has loctite until the screw is removed.

darknyght
03-19-2015, 10:15 PM
thanks for every one input
i have searched around, and found these is like global problem , asus really did great job tighten the screw more than doing more job on reducing the monitor
black light bleed to acceptable level , irony

well i try to get a full set of Philips / Cross screw drivers and try them all , it just bugs me so badly , why on earth asus would tighten a removable bay super duper hard
and if they would do it, they should have at least used a more solid screws that doesn't worn out
so easily i mean these specific one is more weak than the others and more hard tighten than the other three that went off without a problem
or even the second bay i removed the full four and wasn't like that , seems they do it with one screw on the system drive
i have never ever encounter anything like that in my entire life

Korth
03-19-2015, 11:30 PM
A magnet might pick up fine metallic debris. Compressed air would work, too, but I wouldn't advise trying it until after the electronics are all removed.

Cheap screws made of cheap soft metal will always strip, even with an exactly correct bit, that's probably a deliberate anti-tamper choice by the manufacturer. Most Loctites are heat-resistant, but other threadlocking adhesives might soften with heat.

hmscott
03-19-2015, 11:57 PM
...Most Loctites are heat-resistant, but other threadlocking adhesives might soften with heat.

Korth, Loctite lists the temperatures that each product softens, and Loctite / Henkel recommend localized heat to assist removal.

If you follow the links I gave to other posts, those posts have links to manufacturer info for Loctite, and their recommendations for removal, which is localized heat. And, links to videos how to apply heat to loosen the Locktite for removal.

The temperature for softening is high enough that you want to use a soldering iron, and tip at a high enough temperature, and it works just fine.

The screws are small, and whatever metal they are made of isn't the strongest, so make sure you have a firm fit with the bit of the screwdriver, and apply slow steady pressure down as well as slow steadily increasing twist, after applying heat. Back off if you aren't getting a release and re-apply the heat.

Korth
03-20-2015, 04:10 AM
Yes, specifications for Loctite (and other) threadlock adhesives can be obtained.

But they aren't really valid or useful unless you know with certainly exactly which adhesive was used in your product. It might be Loctite, it might be identifiable as a particular member of the Loctite product family, or it might not. Also not especially useful if you don't have access to temperature-controlled heat sources within the applicable range - and you don't want to melt other parts of the SSD (for which you may also lack exact thermal properties/specifications).

But I'm not one to bash what works. Your method is probably what I would attempt if faced with the same problem.

Dr. Zchivago
03-20-2015, 04:33 AM
You could also give the back of the screw driver a few very light taps with a hammer (I said LIGHT TAPS), while you are holding tension against the screw to loosen.

Z

darknyght
03-20-2015, 04:03 PM
here is how it looks like

http://i.imgur.com/P5WyyKo.jpg

hmscott
03-20-2015, 04:08 PM
here is how it looks like

darknyght, ouch. Stop until you get a correctly fitted screw driver. Maybe take it to a place like Fry's, Microcenter, BestBuy, etc that have a well equipped service center to remove that. Even a good hardware store that is sensitive to not using a hammer on your delicate hardware.

A good fit screw head with a large handle wouldn't have done that...

Please report back how they removed it for you :)

And, if you don't have anyone locally then RMA it to Asus to remove.

https://vip.asus.com <== create a login, register your laptop, file a Technical Inquiry.

Asus won't install the new device, so ask them to leave the screws lightly tightened so you can remove them to add your device. :)

darknyght
03-20-2015, 04:24 PM
yep i will buy some screw drivers , i would take the risk if it was old laptop and would done different types of methods i have in mind
but my heart won't give me the courage to do it on these one
i need to be very careful if its so tighten like that so if these didn't go smooth i will then take the whole
laptop and go to Asus center to remove that thing out
, very funny how a small thing could give much hassle

Korth
03-21-2015, 12:54 AM
That particular screw kinda looks like a writeoff, lol. Time to use a screw-extractor bit or Dremel-cut a slot into it or something, anything to simply remove it. Assuming it actually needs to be removed - it's not like SSDs tend to vibrate off their mounts.

Darnassus
03-21-2015, 06:35 PM
Guys, Asus has started using Blue Loctite on their HDD screws, which make it really tough to remove - make sure you have a good fitting screwdriver with a hefty handle that gives you good grip and plenty of leverage - and if it doesn't budge at first - don't strip the head - you are going to need to apply heat to the screw to loosen up the Blue Loctite before you can remove the screw.

G751JY, tried upgrading HDD to SSD, screws so tight, got worn out, what to do?
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?58507-G751JY-tried-upgrading-HDD-to-SSD-screws-so-tight-got-worn-out-what-to-do&p=480487&viewfull=1#post480487

Rounded off screws when trying to install an ssd, and advice to remove them?
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?58654-Rounded-off-screws-when-trying-to-install-an-ssd-and-advice-to-remove-them&p=481545&viewfull=1#post481545

Remember, don't use a heat gun / hair dryer to heat up the screw, you will overheat your HDD/SSD as well!

Heat from a small soldering iron should be enough, applied directly to the screw for a minute or until the Blue Loctite releases.

Good luck!

Are you for real..? Why? They've always put loctite on their screws through some bits on the laptop. But why the HDD's? That's just stupid! Are they TRYING to force us into RMA'ing things just so they have more work?

hmscott
03-21-2015, 06:46 PM
Are you for real..? Why? They've always put loctite on their screws through some bits on the laptop. But why the HDD's? That's just stupid! Are they TRYING to force us into RMA'ing things just so they have more work?

Darnassus, the good news is it seems to be only 1 screw. Others reported blue stuff on the threads, so there you go.

cl-albert thinks it is over-tightened screws, which it also might be, but a couple of reports of blue stuff on the screws, maybe it is an isolated production run or two? An overzealous new assembly line? :)

There were reports before this all happened of loose screws in the body of the laptop, people shaking their laptop and hearing a loose part. No one reported a missing caddy screw though... probably a dropped screw during insertion, and the assembly person just picked up another screw and finished the job.

There have only been a couple of reports of loose caddy screws, but it was all of them, so assembly wasn't applying enough force to set the screws.

darknyght
03-26-2015, 01:52 AM
okay here is an update of the situation

the new screw drivers i got didn't work well , so i had enough and took the laptop to a local professional shop (i didn't go to asus center as its far from me )
and i just didn't feel like take all these trouble for simple thing like that

anyway the guy done it under 120 seconds , i don't know what he used lol i was overexcited that he done it and forgot to ask him how he did it

i don't even think asus customer care would have done it these fast the screw went even worn out more after used the new screw driver on and lost hope
but these guy idk what he done used magic or what

anyway new driver in and i'm very happy now :)
just a notice don't take it to anyone i just took it to a real professional shop that deals with these stuff on daily bases so if u not sure of the repair shop just take it up to asus to avoid any thing happens

anyway system boots in like 3 sec , I'm very happy with the quality of hardware first grade equipments (other than backlight bleed from the screen) and i still didn't test the blue ray yet
but other than that these laptop is a master piece

hmscott
03-26-2015, 08:38 AM
okay here is an update of the situation

the new screw drivers i got didn't work well , so i had enough and took the laptop to a local professional shop (i didn't go to asus center as its far from me )
and i just didn't feel like take all these trouble for simple thing like that

anyway the guy done it under 120 seconds , i don't know what he used lol i was overexcited that he done it and forgot to ask him how he did it

i don't even think asus customer care would have done it these fast the screw went even worn out more after used the new screw driver on and lost hope
but these guy idk what he done used magic or what

anyway new driver in and i'm very happy now :)
just a notice don't take it to anyone i just took it to a real professional shop that deals with these stuff on daily bases so if u not sure of the repair shop just take it up to asus to avoid any thing happens

anyway system boots in like 3 sec , I'm very happy with the quality of hardware first grade equipments (other than backlight bleed from the screen) and i still didn't test the blue ray yet
but other than that these laptop is a master piece

darknyght. that's awesome :)

Don't worry about the how, that would have cost you extra ;)

Akik82
03-26-2015, 09:20 AM
At home you can do that pretty easily if needed. Burn a plastic pen and put it hot on the screw. Wait until it's cold then you should be able to turn the screw :)