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amirzubair80
05-07-2015, 04:33 PM
Hi there guys few days back my HD failed. I gave my laptop to Asus for warranty claim. Now they replaced both HDs and Installed fresh windows, recovery and the bloatware. Now for the fresh start i wanted to know..

What is backtrack and how to use it?
If I want to Install fresh genuine copy of Windows 8 how can I do that without going pirate? I dont have W8 Disc.
If I repartition Windows drive and all other drives leaving recovery drive, will recovery work?

p.s. I have Asus G750JS

JonnyQball79
05-07-2015, 08:26 PM
curious, how much did it cost you to send it in for repair?

code9523
05-07-2015, 09:40 PM
Got same problem with activation OEM windows. I called to local Microsoft support and asked them about my key: What copy of windows it belongs to the guy answered me that it's for Windows 8 x64 OEM and told me that he can email me with a link for downloading ISO file of windows 8.1with installation key and after clean install call them again and ask about activation of win 8.1 with key from win 8. So I done it and now I have everything activated and backed up for ever))) Also advice is to use RW everything to get your key from bios it will help to locate what windows do you have and which you need to install!

hmscott
05-07-2015, 10:49 PM
Hi there guys few days back my HD failed. I gave my laptop to Asus for warranty claim. Now they replaced both HDs and Installed fresh windows, recovery and the bloatware. Now for the fresh start i wanted to know..
What is backtrack and how to use it?
If I want to Install fresh genuine copy of Windows 8 how can I do that without going pirate? I dont have W8 Disc.
If I repartition Windows drive and all other drives leaving recovery drive, will recovery work?
p.s. I have Asus G750JS

amirzubair80, the recovery volume depends on the other volumes being the same as release, any change might mess up the F9 refresh/restore/reset capability. Don't make any changes until you have a successful / tested Asus Backtracker USB 3.0 16GB Flash drive created and tested.

Asus Backtracker makes a bootable flash drive that you can use to restore the original out of the box OS onto an SSD/HDD. Backtracker will reformat any internal drive it finds, so remove your 2nd bay drive before restoring or you will lose any data on it as well as the boot drive.

Most important - don't test the restore capability onto your only bootable HDD :)

If the restore fails, the format of the drive will already have been done, and you won't be able to boot on it to make another Backtracker flash drive.

Use another 2.5" drive to test the restore, like your new SSD for example.

If you get a failure on restore, it can be a few things. First, your USB drive might not be compatible. Second, try the restore with the USB flash drive in different USB ports - the Right lower/front USB port seems to work best. Third, some have reported problems restoring to drives with odd partitioning. Try formatting the destination drive as a GPT drive with no partitions before doing the restore.

Once you have successfully created the Backtracker USB 3.0 16GB flash drive, and tested the restore, you can set it and the original HDD aside and run from the new SSD/HDD you want to keep in the laptop. Don't reuse the USB drive for other purposes - otherwise when you need it you won't have it.

Keeping the original boot drive on the shelf gives you one more layer of backup protection - you can always swap it back in to create another Backtracker USB 3.0 flash drive should you lose the first one.

With 2 backups, you can safely delete the 2nd mounted partition and the recovery partitions that come after the C drive, and add that space to the C partition.

Anyone knows how to merge C & D disk/drive into one?
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?51245-Anyone-knows-how-to-merge-C-amp-D-disk-drive-into-one&p=433539&viewfull=1#post433539

Another thing I do, after completing all of that, and all the Windows updates and driver updates, I use Macrium Reflect to create a restore image I can use to recover to a current state should I have a disk failure.

The Backtracker restore is nice, but it only backs up the original out of the box configuration, using Macrium Reflect every once in a while, I can restore back all the OS updates, Application installs, and configuration changes I make along the way.

Macrium Reflect Free
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

You can do everything with the free version, but if you like it and use it long term I recommend helping out the developers and purchasing the product :)

As far as a from scratch Microsoft Media install of Windows vs. using the Asus OS build, I recommend sticking with the Asus OS build and uninstalling the apps you don't need.

It takes 5 minutes to do the uninstalls of the Asus stuff you don't want, it can take hours, days even, to get a from scratch Windows install done correctly / completely with full functionality that the Asus Build already has done for you.

There is no performance difference between a from scratch install and the Asus Build after uninstalling the apps we don't want.

I am running the Asus Build myself, and all my benchmarks are as high or higher than anyone else I have seen on the G750JH.

There is no reason to redo all the work Asus has done.

Here is what I don't uninstall:

Asus Splendid - use the ICC profiles from the installer, but don't install the product.
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?57748-G751JY-Color-Calibration-to-share&p=476412&viewfull=1#post476412

Asus Power4Gear Hybrid - just use the Windows power plans, High Performance for benchmarking, Balanced for gaming/every day use - if you see lag in games try High Performance.

Asus Live Update - 99% useless - Asus doesn't update the drivers for release product, you need to hunt down new drivers in new hardware releases that use the same hardware components.
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?55572-Asus-G751-Support-Download-areas&p=473863&viewfull=1#post473863

Asus Gaming Mouse - caused crashes for some, if you have an Asus mouse install that specific driver instead.

AsusDVD - If your Asus laptop came with a Blu-ray drive this will play Blu-ray movies, otherwise only DVD's. It is an older version of Cyberlink PowerDVD - I bought / use the newer version so I don't need this. You can also get the Free Leawo Blu-ray Player
http://www.leawo.com/blu-ray-player/

Cyberlink Power2Go - I don't need it.

Asus Vibe - I don't need it.


Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to tweak the Core/cache multipliers up to maximum supported - Intel ships CPU's downclocked in case the cooling can't handle full TDP.
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/search?keyword=xtu

49027

MSI Afterburner to allow +135mhz on GPU speed, and matching increase on memory clock. You can use Asus GPU Tweak to allow Full fan, but the OC there is only 5% so uninstall it so it doesn't interfere with MSI Afterburner - or just disable OC option in Asus GPU Tweak.
http://gaming.msi.com/features/afterburner

49028

Read the forums, there are lots of good posts here on how to tune, tweak, and fix things.

Read both the G750 and G751 forums, much of the hardware is the same.

Have fun :)

amirzubair80
05-08-2015, 04:32 AM
curious, how much did it cost you to send it in for repair?
Zero. I gave it to the local Asus service centre. They ordered replacement hds.

amirzubair80
05-08-2015, 04:56 AM
amirzubair80, the recovery volume depends on the other volumes being the same as release, any change might mess up the F9 refresh/restore/reset capability. Don't make any changes until you have a successful / tested Asus Backtracker USB 3.0 16GB Flash drive created and tested.

Asus Backtracker makes a bootable flash drive that you can use to restore the original out of the box OS onto an SSD/HDD. Backtracker will reformat any internal drive it finds, so remove your 2nd bay drive before restoring or you will lose any data on it as well as the boot drive.



OK backtrack is not for me then. It formats the other HD too well that sucks. And is not that reliable, other setback.

So can I make a backup image with macrium reflect and do the re partition, will the back up work with new layout of partitions?

hmscott
05-08-2015, 06:44 AM
OK backtrack is not for me then. It formats the other HD too well that sucks. And is not that reliable, other setback.

So can I make a backup image with macrium reflect and do the re partition, will the back up work with new layout of partitions?

amirzubair80, given the warnings, Asus Backtracker is reliable and thousands have used it successfully. It is the only Asus method for providing a recovery media as a bootable Flash drive.

To erase the recovery partition without backing it up with Asus Backtracker is to assure that someday you will be one of the sad sorry sots that post asking for someone else's recovery partition :(

It's sad to see, and noone usually is able to respond. Asus won't send you a recovery flash drive, and the only way to get it back is to send in your laptop for RMA asking Asus to restore the OS.

Even if you end up using Macrium Reflect, it's good to have the original OS / recovery partition backed up through Backtracker and/or original HDD set on the shelf. :)

Macrium Reflect will make a clone image that will be restorable - read the docs - exactly as it was copied, and you can vary the source / destination Partitions selection / size - which means you can leave off the recovery partition and the 2nd mountable partition, and resize C partition to take up the rest of the free space on the destination - check the URL showing the interface above.

amirzubair80
05-08-2015, 10:50 AM
amirzubair80, given the warnings, Asus Backtracker is reliable and thousands have used it successfully. It is the only Asus method for providing a recovery media as a bootable Flash drive.

To erase the recovery partition without backing it up with Asus Backtracker is to assure that someday you will be one of the sad sorry sots that post asking for someone else's recovery partition :(

Macrium Reflect will make a clone image that will be restorable - read the docs - exactly as it was copied, and you can vary the source / destination Partitions selection / size - which means you can leave off the recovery partition and the 2nd mountable partition, and resize C partition to take up the rest of the free space on the destination - check the URL showing the interface above.

Thanks for helping me out.

OK after making recovery USB with backtrack and making macrium reflect backup. can I make changes in partitions? I want to resize C and give more space to other positions. Will both recoveries work after that?

Because I made backup with Easeus todo backup in my previous laptop and made changes in partitions, after that I was unable to recover my system.

And what is meant by restoring to dissimilar hardware in backup programs.?

hmscott
05-08-2015, 09:57 PM
Thanks for helping me out.

OK after making recovery USB with backtrack and making macrium reflect backup. can I make changes in partitions? I want to resize C and give more space to other positions. Will both recoveries work after that?

Because I made backup with Easeus todo backup in my previous laptop and made changes in partitions, after that I was unable to recover my system.

And what is meant by restoring to dissimilar hardware in backup programs.?

amirzubair80, the idea is you want 2 ways to restore should a failure occurs. So the Backtracker flash recovery is 1, and either keeping the recovery partition is 2 or putting that original HDD on the shelf is 2.

HDD's are cheap, like $50 for the one from Asus. You can get a faster HDD cheap, like $70, and an SSD for not much more (at least 256GB), then you restore to that new HDD/SSD with Backtracker flash recovery drive.

The restoring to dissimilar hardware can mean a couple of things. For restoring to the same laptop it can refer to restoring to another HDD/SSD sized differently than the original drive. If you are trying to restore to another laptop of a different make/model that is also restoring to dissimilar hardware.

The Macrium Reflect restore takes into account GPT partitions and UEFI requirements, it was updated a long time ago to support cloning partitions as used on the G750/G751.

Once you have restored to the new HDD/SSD, and have the 2 backups, you can delete the recovery partition and 2nd mounted partition and absorb the free space into the C partition.

See the URL I posted earlier on how to use diskpart to override protections to delete system partitions.

amirzubair80
05-09-2015, 02:02 PM
Hi hmscott how should I remove McAfee. Is there any tool like Norton or just simple uninstall?

Iam going to make 2 images of my fresh system one with macrium reflect and one with easeus to-do backup. And later backup my recovery partition on USB. Iam thinking of not changing the partition size.

hmscott
05-09-2015, 10:53 PM
Hi hmscott how should I remove McAfee. Is there any tool like Norton or just simple uninstall?

Iam going to make 2 images of my fresh system one with macrium reflect and one with easeus to-do backup. And later backup my recovery partition on USB. I am thinking of not changing the partition size.

amirzubair80, I just uninstalled it, but I did it right away. I also reboot after every uninstall, whether asked or not by the uninstaller. There might be a tool, check at the McAfee site, but I didn't need it.

When you have the Asus Backtracker restore flash drive created, you can put in your new SSD/HDD into the 1st Bay - removing the original HDD and 2nd bay drive - and restore to it.

For now if you are running on the original HDD, then it is a good idea not to play around with the partitioning. :)

THempleman
05-10-2015, 06:01 PM
I downloaded win 8.1 iso, used Rufus to create a usb installer and reinstalled a clean 8.1 os which was automatically licensed via the pc ( BIOS, motherboard, I don't know).
I reinstalled programs I wanted along with drivers from ASUS website. All works great!.
Also, I have clean installed Win 10 the same way several times, to an ssd, and it needs no key..I have way too much time...
BTW, the iso creates new partitions. It's all explained here:
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2328-uefi-unified-extensible-firmware-interface-install-windows-8-a.html

hmscott
05-17-2015, 02:33 AM
I downloaded win 8.1 iso, used Rufus to create a usb installer and reinstalled a clean 8.1 os which was automatically licensed via the pc ( BIOS, motherboard, I don't know).
I reinstalled programs I wanted along with drivers from ASUS website. All works great!.
Also, I have clean installed Win 10 the same way several times, to an ssd, and it needs no key..I have way too much time...
BTW, the iso creates new partitions. It's all explained here:
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2328-uefi-unified-extensible-firmware-interface-install-windows-8-a.html

THempleman "...I have way too much time..." - yup, you just redid what Asus already had done for you, and maybe didn't do it as well, and for no real or apparently useful reason. :)

For most people (99.9999%), uninstalling the programs included that you don't want takes 5 minutes, and gets you to the same point it took you hours to get to.

There is nothing wrong with the journey of re-installing everything, but it gets you no improvements or added features, or better performance, space savings, etc.

There are those that can't resist completely reloading Windows no matter that there is no benefit, so we're glad you had fun, but please don't recommend everyone do it just because you did it - at least don't claim it runs faster and is now better, because it isn't :)

We end up helping lots of people that blow away their original OS, and don't make an Asus Backtracker backup of their Recovery partition, so now have no way to get back to a working state. They waste hours, days, weeks of their lives trying to get back to what they had out of the box. And, they can't, and are very unhappy.

Please don't contribute to the generation of unhappy people, always recommend they backup their original disk with Asus Backtracker to a flash recovery drive, and also recommend they put the disk on the shelf as a backup in case they lose their boot drive and usb recovery drive.

There are lots and lots of people that ask for the recovery partition backup, they went ahead and blew away their HDD, or through an accident lost their drive, and now have no backup.

But, glad to hear you got it working, thanks for the detailed explanation on how to waste hours of time to get right back where you were when you started :)

Update: Sorry to hear you were one of those unhappy people, and that you got it working again :)


Great to know! I DID delete my recovery partition, so I was forced to a clean install. I wanted to point out that with the help of these groups, anything can be undone or redone and not to get too uptight!
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?59266-Formatting-HDD-With-One-Partition&p=485688&viewfull=1#post485688

THempleman, if you could remember to recommend to others that they not do a re-install, and if they do to back up their Recovery partition so the same waste of time doesn't happen to them, we would appreciate it - I am sure they will too :)

We don't get uptight, we get our time used up supporting people that lost their original Asus Windows install and try to get it back. Every time this happens we can't help someone else.

It's a waste of time on both sides. Every time someone recommends re-installing Windows and starts the pain all over again.

THempleman
05-19-2015, 05:17 AM
Step back and put down the Red Bull. Smiley Face. I was uptight after I deleted MY recovery partition. I found the method to recover, MYSELF, and was merely pointing to the resource for others. Smiley Face. I have no regrets as I use only a few programs, 15 right now including ASUS apps. I keep all data on another drive. AND, AS I STATED, with the help of these groups, NOTHING is irreversible...so don't ( we the users) get uptight! Smiley Face

hmscott
05-19-2015, 12:10 PM
Step back and put down the Red Bull. Smiley Face. I was uptight after I deleted MY recovery partition. I found the method to recover, MYSELF, and was merely pointing to the resource for others. Smiley Face. I have no regrets as I use only a few programs, 15 right now including ASUS apps. I keep all data on another drive. AND, AS I STATED, with the help of these groups, NOTHING is irreversible...so don't ( we the users) get uptight! Smiley Face

THempleman, wouldn't it have been better if you didn't need to spend all that time re-installing the OS?

amirzubair80
05-20-2015, 04:48 PM
Agree with both of u guys. Sometimes Asus mess up so need fresh install. Like in my case when i purchased the laptop it was giving me problems like usb 3.0 transfer speed was upto 35 mb/sec when i installed fresh copy it started working fine. And my windows got messed up after few days of use. But after getting back my laptop after warranty claim, replacing both my hds. My laptop is running as it should be with no problems so i dont need fresh install.

Protervis
05-20-2015, 10:28 PM
Lost in translation. I just had to restore my laptop and deleted everything. And I have some questions cause after reading few threads about backtracker I feel more confused.

1. Which version of backtracker I should download? I am asking this cause I read in another thread that the last backtracker has issues (3.08 I think or so).

2. Flash drive I purchased a 32 gb sandisk ultra fit 3.0 but I heared that are issues with these? What should I do?

3. When should I use backtracker after all updates have been done (since I reseted laptop) or I can do it before updates?

4. Is there any manual of this process as it seems to be complicated?

Thanks

amirzubair80
06-08-2015, 07:08 PM
Lost in translation. I just had to restore my laptop and deleted everything. And I have some questions cause after reading few threads about backtracker I feel more confused.

1. Which version of backtracker I should download? I am asking this cause I read in another thread that the last backtracker has issues (3.08 I think or so).

2. Flash drive I purchased a 32 gb sandisk ultra fit 3.0 but I heared that are issues with these? What should I do?

3. When should I use backtracker after all updates have been done (since I reseted laptop) or I can do it before updates?

4. Is there any manual of this process as it seems to be complicated?

Thanks
I used latest version of backtrack and made recovery on my sandisk 16gb usb drive.