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Zombievac
06-01-2015, 02:43 PM
ATTENTION, UPGRADE NOW AVAILABLE:
Please see ROG G751JY/JT G-SYNC upgrade program link below:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?82612-G-SYNC-Upgrade-on-ROG-G751JY-JT-Laptops-Now-Available!


Hello all,

Asus seems undecided on whether they're going to allow official G-SYNC support on the existing G751's purchased before now (? - I don't know the official date, they just said this month I believe).

Please "sign" this petition by posting... even if you don't think you'll need the feature, you'll want it someday, trust me.

ASUS: Even if there are licensing fees involved or whatever, if that is indeed the reason you wouldn't offer it to existing owners.. then at least let us pay the fee for it! Something... anything!

The amount of brand-loyalty to be gained from giving this feature to existing owners would build more goodwill than you're imagining. Market it! Tell the world that you were the first to give this major support release to existing owners!

Thanks!

ATRmayo
06-01-2015, 02:54 PM
signed

Akik82
06-01-2015, 03:01 PM
signed too

aupoi351
06-01-2015, 03:01 PM
signed!

kingjezdi
06-01-2015, 03:02 PM
100 % signed! ; )

Uncledante
06-01-2015, 03:02 PM
signed

serbicu
06-01-2015, 03:06 PM
signed

ishida-
06-01-2015, 03:07 PM
signed

escha
06-01-2015, 03:11 PM
signed

joshindaphils
06-01-2015, 03:11 PM
Would be nice!

nintari
06-01-2015, 03:29 PM
This needs to happen

Signed

Edweird
06-01-2015, 03:47 PM
Signed by me, feature would be great to have and a much needed reassurance in ASUS's customer support.

JasenDoe
06-01-2015, 03:53 PM
Signed ! Gimme that G-Sync !

Tindreal
06-01-2015, 04:30 PM
The difference in game smoothness between VSYNC and GSYNC is like the difference between the GTX880M and 980M, so please give us GSYNC ...

Pecku
06-01-2015, 04:44 PM
Signed

Psiyiyi
06-01-2015, 04:49 PM
Signed!

Xehanort
06-01-2015, 04:53 PM
Signed.

warryabel
06-01-2015, 05:06 PM
signed...

Yggdrasil_swe
06-01-2015, 05:08 PM
Signed.

kaiserfalco
06-01-2015, 05:13 PM
signed

micka79
06-01-2015, 05:22 PM
signed

enzo99
06-01-2015, 05:34 PM
firmato dopo aver pagato 1800,00 euro 2 mesi fa no g-synic

I3elphegor
06-01-2015, 05:34 PM
Signed.

Maxelek
06-01-2015, 05:46 PM
Signed...

If I would knew that there will be special line of G751 with G-SYNC I would wait 2-3 more weeks to buy notebook... Thanks ASUS.

ciccio80
06-01-2015, 06:00 PM
Well if there is really the possibility of having a "software" G-Sync activated from within Nvidia drivers, Asus should definetly let us have it.

Boxis
06-01-2015, 06:07 PM
Signed.

If it wont happen, I will RMA my screen, hopefully getting a G-Sync one in return :D (jk).

evinoid
06-01-2015, 06:26 PM
signed - make it so.

schiele
06-01-2015, 06:45 PM
signed

FitnessRegiment
06-01-2015, 07:10 PM
would love it, signed!

Chadd
06-01-2015, 07:42 PM
Signed.
Would love this as a feature. Considering we know the current models can support it it would be pretty poor of Asus not to allow it.
Please Asus make this happen!

hexaae
06-01-2015, 08:02 PM
signed, of course

Sanctrum
06-01-2015, 08:03 PM
Signed!

kennycol
06-01-2015, 08:53 PM
signed

Space Paste
06-01-2015, 08:56 PM
Signed.

Because the leaked G-SYNC driver is solid proof existing G751 laptops can support the feature, it would be a bad PR move by ASUS for them to not make this a reality with official support.

Tindreal
06-01-2015, 09:27 PM
The question is: Is it worth to have G-Sync with our laptop? Yes, the games would be much much smoother, but were they able to fix the black screen issue somehow? I dont know which one is better...small stuttering during gameplay OR random black screens popping in.

Ziradon
06-01-2015, 09:37 PM
Signed!

junmizuho
06-01-2015, 09:56 PM
Signed!

salvadorek
06-01-2015, 09:57 PM
Of course SIGNED!

Sadler13
06-01-2015, 10:01 PM
Signed!

Mcflykid
06-01-2015, 10:30 PM
Signed! For G751JT

Xehanort
06-01-2015, 11:00 PM
Asus is being borderline idiotic.

What possible reason might there be for them to not release G-SYNC drivers to current JT/JY's? I'm personally not that bothered by it, since i'm perfectly fine with the gaming I have with this laptop, but what about the ones that wanted G-SYNC for a long time? And this is not a vocal minority either, it may very well be over 90% of the people who bought this laptop. *sigh*

JerJer123
06-01-2015, 11:03 PM
signed.

Okota
06-01-2015, 11:45 PM
+1!

Svan
06-02-2015, 12:56 AM
signed for sure (G751JY-T7022H)

sc00byy
06-02-2015, 01:04 AM
signed!

atheus24
06-02-2015, 01:11 AM
signed

refraxion
06-02-2015, 03:20 AM
signed. I want to try out G-sync with my laptop!

ELZZZORRO
06-02-2015, 03:27 AM
signed

Athenic
06-02-2015, 04:01 AM
Signed

challenger1
06-02-2015, 04:40 AM
Signed

intervein
06-02-2015, 05:19 AM
signed

MindBlank
06-02-2015, 05:37 AM
Signed! I want this!!

stylemongo
06-02-2015, 06:16 AM
signed! mod driver workx on my G751... why not releasing offical driver support?

gmponyo
06-02-2015, 06:55 AM
Signed

rambler78
06-02-2015, 08:17 AM
Signed

Digranes
06-02-2015, 09:26 AM
Signed! I was sure this wasn't even a thing, I was sure my G751JY would get G-Sync with a driver update - why is this even a question?

JBM
06-02-2015, 09:47 AM
Signed

ROGTWAT
06-02-2015, 10:54 AM
For what it's worth, signed!

neilzen11
06-02-2015, 11:19 AM
Signed!

Wishmaker77
06-02-2015, 11:40 AM
Signed !!!!

ronralph.bartolome
06-02-2015, 12:19 PM
signed!

enzo99
06-02-2015, 12:22 PM
Firmato 1800,00 euro

W4rrioR
06-02-2015, 12:26 PM
Signed!

icey_ce
06-02-2015, 12:27 PM
signed

JaKuP
06-02-2015, 12:33 PM
Signed

Rawand
06-02-2015, 12:52 PM
Signed !!

i had g750jx 2 weeks ago i bought g751jy and now i'm very very disappointed with asus very poor service they wanna sell more or people get upgrade

ok asus here is my answer if i dont get g-sync on my current g751 i will never ever buy even a cable from asus bcause they think people idiots!!

aupoi351
06-02-2015, 01:10 PM
I totally agree with the post above.

serbicu
06-02-2015, 01:30 PM
Let's make this petition known on every media, social networks and we will see what Asus have to say.
Let's keep signing this petition!

ROGTWAT
06-02-2015, 01:36 PM
I totally agree with the post above.
No official g-sync on my G751= no more ASUS products for me.

What you say is like expecting to get a new Photoshop version for free just because it can run on your machine. Fact has it that G-Sync was NOT available when you purchased this laptop so ASUS has to do **** about it. If they give it to you, it is generousity because an upgrade like this sure deserves some extra price tag.

serbicu
06-02-2015, 01:45 PM
What you say is like expecting to get a new Photoshop version for free just because it can run on your machine. Fact has it that G-Sync was NOT available when you purchased this laptop so ASUS has to do **** about it. If they give it to you, it is generousity because an upgrade like this sure deserves some extra price tag.

Sorry, but this is not an upgrade(if it were I would gladly pay for something extra), it has been proven allready (with the leaked driver and the official relese of bios 207 than renamed).If not for these facts, I wouldn't care less.49617

ROGTWAT
06-02-2015, 01:49 PM
Sorry, but this is not an upgrade(if it were I would gladly pay for something extra), it has been proven allready (with the leaked driver and the official relese of bios 207 than renamed).If not for these facts, I wouldn't care less.49617

You can not seriously expect a company to release every R&D project to the customers just because they ask for it. It just doesn't work that way, it never did and it never will. Now with this particular issue nvidia has a bit more pressure on them because of the theoretical uselessness of their modules but they could just as easily sit it out. When the GTX 1080 comes out people will be scratching their door, bright eyed and bushy tailed and most of them are those people now saying they will NEVER buy from them again, it's ridiculous :D

Maxelek
06-02-2015, 01:52 PM
He's saying that G-Sync wasn't listed when u bought your PC, so now they have rights to not give it to your PC even if your PC support it. So now they want to release new version for more money, and support this version with G-sync drivers/bios and more. Am I right? Or I misspelled somewhere?
If there wasn't leaked drivers, and this note above, we wouldn't know that our G751 are able to use G-sync... Damn, this is some deep **** they're doing. I might be wrong though.

Rawand
06-02-2015, 01:59 PM
He's saying that G-Sync wasn't listed when u bought your PC, so now they have rights to not give it to your PC even if your PC support it. So now they want to release new version for more money, and support this version with G-sync drivers/bios and more. Am I right? Or I misspelled somewhere?
If there wasn't leaked drivers, and this note above, we wouldn't know that our G751 are able to use G-sync... Damn, this is some deep **** they're doing. I might be wrong though.


let me tell you something dude

if asus make g-sync for current g751 and put information on website all g751 supports g-sync thats will be fair and we will say ok asus cares about us ! but now looks like they care about ****ing money not their costumers because this option cost them nothing and they wanna make something stupid thats why i hear and see on this fourm many people says asus service SUCKS

serbicu
06-02-2015, 02:02 PM
You can not seriously expect a company to release every R&D project to the customers just because they ask for it. It just doesn't work that way, it never did and it never will. Now with this particular issue nvidia has a bit more pressure on them because of the theoretical uselessness of their modules but they could just as easily sit it out. When the GTX 1080 comes out people will be scratching their door, bright eyed and bushy tailed and most of them are those people now saying they will NEVER buy from them again, it's ridiculous :D

I didn't say that and I agree with you on some level, but Asus has no reason to keep us from this gsync thing.

They lose nothing and will sell even more of the existing laptops and the new ones.

Unless Nvidia (which we all know they are capable of anything) forced ASUS by signing some sort of contract not to give the gsync option to existing owners.

Anyway, I'm done with this, just hope someone will give us a modified bios or driver, and that's that.

Rawand
06-02-2015, 02:03 PM
however happen there will be mod verion if they don't give us g-sync

before even no one knows about g-sync for laptops some guys modded panel with g-sync for g751jy

Edweird
06-02-2015, 02:18 PM
Please think objectively. I don't think anyone at ASUS would actually believe people would start selling their old G751s for the new ones...
Stop being so entitled. It's good to protest but consider whether or not ASUS should care what anyone found out using unsupported software.
I seriously doubt ASUS would do anything based on a few dozen petition signatures, fueled by some sort of rage.

Please present sensible, legitimate arguments for them to read, not random angry posts about how this about ASUS is **** or that about ASUS is ****. Consider how much that is helping...

Just wait for people to sign this petition and hope that someone in their related department notices. Must be patient, things don't happen immediately. Wait a couple of days to see if we get any actual responses and then we can worry about pitchforks. The petition may yet prove to be unneeded.

ajimi255
06-02-2015, 02:23 PM
Signed!

Xehanort
06-02-2015, 02:34 PM
Is G-SYNC a service/feature that Nvidia are trying to sell to consumers? If not, what matters is that our hardware IS compatible! It's only natural for customers to demand that the company who sold them the hardware let them make full use of said hardware.

There's literally ZERO reason for them to not give us G-SYNC. People actually trying to justify this make me laugh xD

Edweird
06-02-2015, 02:40 PM
Is G-SYNC a service/feature that Nvidia are trying to sell to consumers? If not, what matters is that our hardware IS compatible! It's only natural for customers to demand that the company who sold them the hardware let them make full use of said hardware.

There's literally ZERO reason for them to not give us G-SYNC. People actually trying to justify this make me laugh xD

Nobody is trying to justify it - everyone agrees we should get G-SYNC. It's just very unlikely to be that easy because of the reasons stated earlier. And why wouldn't G-SYNC be a feature NVidia are trying to sell people through ASUS? If it gets both sides more customers, they'll do it.

It wouldn't be the first time a product is sold again but with some sort of proprietary software on the same hardware. Game consoles come to mind. Same thing with promotions. We all know how many G751 game promotions there have been - I can count 5. I got none of them. I could use one of those games to allow me to make full use of the hardware (arguably). G-SYNC was not a feature of the G751 to begin with. So what if whatever makes G-SYNC tick in these "new" models is not accessible by users?

aupoi351
06-02-2015, 02:50 PM
You are right.
Someday we will need to pay to update our nvidia or asus drivers...just because it costs them extra.

Edweird
06-02-2015, 02:51 PM
You are right.
Someday we will need to pay to update our nvidia or asus drivers...just because it costs them extra.

Hah, as funny as it may sound and as far as I recall, ATi and NVidia almost came to a consclusion like that back in 2006. But no, that won't get them any new customers. :)

Anyways, back to signing.

Xehanort
06-02-2015, 03:10 PM
Nobody is trying to justify it
I've seen a few posts trying to justify it, saying crap like "stop being so entitled" and "Asus has no obligation to give you anything". Can't recall where I saw it, but they're there. Not saying you are though...

And why wouldn't G-SYNC be a feature NVidia are trying to sell people through ASUS? If it gets both sides more customers, they'll do it.
Sure...but are they? Or are just trying to push their sales more by establishing a brand new available feature? As far as we know they're "indirectly" selling G-SYNC, by promoting legit cards with a new feature, which is definitely NOT the same thing.

It wouldn't be the first time a product is sold again but with some sort of proprietary software on the same hardware. Game consoles come to mind.
What? When? I'm gonna need to see examples of this, my memory may be failing here but I can't recall a single case.

Same thing with promotions. We all know how many G751 game promotions there have been - I can count 5. I got none of them. I could use one of those games to allow me to make full use of the hardware (arguably). G-SYNC was not a feature of the G751 to begin with. So what if whatever makes G-SYNC tick in these "new" models is not accessible by users?
Exactly, they're using G-SYNC as a feature to attract customers to pay for their CARDS! Not the feature itself. G-SYNC is being "indirectly" sold.
And G-SYNC was a feature to begin with, they just didn't tell us which is absolute bulls*** at best. But you make a good point, if the new models do come with some hardware difference it could justify it...maybe...

rogdood
06-02-2015, 03:19 PM
On board for the signing train.

exscape
06-02-2015, 03:49 PM
+1 on the signing.

Edweird
06-02-2015, 04:03 PM
Xehanort, I know I said to not try and be so entitled because it's just bad practice imo
That's NOT justification. Justification is being an ASUS sales rep and trying to convince you otherwise.
I am merely mentioning these things because it is good to know them moving forward to getting what we want.

The console thing - I meant it to be the same thing as the games promotions for the G751, so not really proprietary but you would have paid the same sum of money is what I meant. It would be funny as hell if the only difference between G751JY and G751JY G-SYNC is a preinstalled NVidia driver and BIOS, which is what this whole thing is about.

So if G-SYNC is being "indirectly sold" with the intention of selling the GPU through the laptop ...
Isn't that the same thing or similar to "indirectly selling" Witcher 3 with each G751 in the current promotion that none of us customers that bought the laptop 6 months ago get? Again, the problem is that they're announcing a new PRODUCT in the G751JY G-SYNC, not a time limited promotion for buying a G751JY-T7065D from an eligible store.

Anyways, let's not clog up the thread. We can continue in PMs if you want after this.

Uh...can I sign a second time? :P

harty0000
06-02-2015, 04:10 PM
SIgned

Zombievac
06-02-2015, 04:12 PM
Let's keep this on topic guys! Thanks for signing, but there are other threads available where you can discuss the merits of whether or not this is a good or bad move by ASUS, or whether we're entitled to it.

FYI, hardware-wise, the existing G751 models definitely support it. That's not the question, the question is whether or not ASUS will give this feature to existing owners - they're already doing the work to implement it, and yet are undecided on whether or not to "give" the feature to the rest of us. That's what we're fighting for here!

rlcronin
06-02-2015, 04:13 PM
signed

Xehanort
06-02-2015, 04:40 PM
The console thing - I meant it to be the same thing as the games promotions for the G751, so not really proprietary but you would have paid the same sum of money is what I meant. It would be funny as hell if the only difference between G751JY and G751JY G-SYNC is a preinstalled NVidia driver and BIOS, which is what this whole thing is about.
Game promotions are completely different, you NEED an external physical object to be able to use it on capable hardware. Not to mention it's something that's being advertised and sold by a different company, with an exclusive pricetag.

So if G-SYNC is being "indirectly sold" with the intention of selling the GPU through the laptop ...
Isn't that the same thing or similar to "indirectly selling" Witcher 3 with each G751 in the current promotion that none of us customers that bought the laptop 6 months ago get? Again, the problem is that they're announcing a new PRODUCT in the G751JY G-SYNC, not a time limited promotion for buying a G751JY-T7065D from an eligible store.
Again, completely different as I explained. And it is a problem, my point from the very beginning is that they're screwing current consumers solely on the fact they want to cash-in on an already available feature for current consumers. All that is needed is a vBIOS.

Anyways, let's not clog up the thread. We can continue in PMs if you want after this.
No need, we're done here. You made your points, i've made mine. No need to go around in circles.
Make it happen, Asus!

ROGTWAT
06-02-2015, 04:51 PM
Unless Nvidia (which we all know they are capable of anything) forced ASUS by signing some sort of contract not to give the gsync option to existing owners.

100% agreed. It is most likely a licensing issue as the original contract did not include it. Asus may be fighting against windmills at this point.

Exostenza
06-02-2015, 05:44 PM
signed

vempatyappu
06-02-2015, 05:59 PM
signed

DeltaActual
06-02-2015, 06:08 PM
Meh. This will not help us. Asus and Nvidia got to figure it out themselfs. Don't waste your time.

MindBlank
06-02-2015, 07:10 PM
I already signed, but just noticed that the "new" models are on their site as of now. G751JY G-SYNC and JT. They're alongside the regular models, hahaha!
Apparently they now come equipped with G-SYNC GTX 980M and 970M respectively, whatever that means, cause it sure makes no sense to me...

We're not going to see G-SYNC for the existing models, it's just not profitable.

I have to say, though, that I did not buy the laptop for features that were not present, obviously. However it's just distasteful to just ignore a huge base of existing customers especially when they have the hardware present (panel) and the premises necessay (eDP, no Optimus) to enable the feature.

I don't know why I'm so upset about this, to be honest. Maybe because I let myself get hyped up about this feature in the months from the accidental G-SYNC driver release. And maybe beacuse it's a feature that can make my purchase of a G751JY more relevant in the years to come, delaying that point that makes the upgrade to something new and more powerful.

Also, someone was saying something along the lines that we feel so entitled to this new feature - yeah, well that's exactly the type of limited and obtuse thinking that they're counting on, otherwise they would not release "new" models, just spin it to something like "first manufacturer to already have this tech in their laptops".

MafJose
06-02-2015, 07:30 PM
signed

Seth76
06-02-2015, 08:24 PM
Signed. :cool:

stylemongo
06-02-2015, 08:33 PM
On the Global Site, u see G-Sync as a feature for the G751JY.
http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ASUS_ROG_G751JY/Features/

stylemongo
06-02-2015, 08:34 PM
i had the alpha driver with GSync on my G751JY, it work without any Problems so far. But a offical driver would be nice.

escha
06-02-2015, 10:32 PM
and yet on US site it sais:
"*G-SYNC™ technology available on select G751JT/JY models only. Please check with your local reseller for more information.*

STICK THIS THREAD PLS!!!

Space Paste
06-03-2015, 12:02 AM
and yet on US site it sais:
"*G-SYNC™ technology available on select G751JT/JY models only. Please check with your local reseller for more information.*

STICK THIS THREAD PLS!!!

I've also already signed but I have to agree that, at this point, it's not going to help change anything. Still, it's good to see an official answer as far as availability of G-SYNC with the G751 laptops goes. Now that this information is public I'd like to see a more verbose answer as to why this is the case (some hardware change, contractual obligation, etc.)

Further expanding on MindBlank's thoughts, this is my guess as to why a lot of us are upset about the lack of support for current G751 owners:

The accident with the leaked mobile G-SYNC enabled driver brought one interesting detail to light; namely that a hardware module wasn't going to be required since the current version of eDP integrated into the latest laptops made this possible, and we know the G751JY is in that pool. When the leaked driver ended up in the hands of the public, reports were surfacing that showed the technology functioning, although with the occasional brief black screen hiccup. Some of us on these forums who were feeling adventurous enough confirmed this to be working in the same manner on our G751 laptops.

Imperfect functionality aside, this created the impression among a bunch of G751 users that mobile G-SYNC would be enabled retroactively once the technology went officially live; it certainly did for me at least, and I know I'm not the only one. What else were we to think when all we had to do was install a different driver and suddenly the feature was accessible? Now that G751 owners are being told this is only available on select G751JT/JY models of course this is going to result in some major disappointment, simply because it doesn't make sense to some users who had observed the technology working on their laptop with a leaked driver.

That being said, I don't think anyone here is feeling "entitled" (or at least those who are being constructive and not spouting vitriol) so much as they are just confused as to why they can't use G-SYNC now when they could before. Regardless, I've already come to terms with this and now just want an answer as to why, either from an ASUS rep or from information the ROG community gathers, particularly from those who plan on purchasing a G-SYNC enabled G751.


If there's an actual hardware difference, say, a different panel -- fine. Maybe there's some underlying hardware issue with the LGD046C panel we don't know about.
If the difference is not hardware related, but instead something like a different VBIOS for the GPU, well... that sucks. :|

AsSaSsInJ0HN
06-03-2015, 12:24 AM
signed !

greek_m43
06-03-2015, 02:46 AM
Signed!

IsraelzinhoBR
06-03-2015, 06:49 AM
signed!

xamoel
06-03-2015, 07:23 AM
Signed!

ROGTWAT
06-03-2015, 07:56 AM
I've also already signed but I have to agree that, at this point, it's not going to help change anything. Still, it's good to see an official answer as far as availability of G-SYNC with the G751 laptops goes. Now that this information is public I'd like to see a more verbose answer as to why this is the case (some hardware change, contractual obligation, etc.)

Further expanding on MindBlank's thoughts, this is my guess as to why a lot of us are upset about the lack of support for current G751 owners:

The accident with the leaked mobile G-SYNC enabled driver brought one interesting detail to light; namely that a hardware module wasn't going to be required since the current version of eDP integrated into the latest laptops made this possible, and we know the G751JY is in that pool. When the leaked driver ended up in the hands of the public, reports were surfacing that showed the technology functioning, although with the occasional brief black screen hiccup. Some of us on these forums who were feeling adventurous enough confirmed this to be working in the same manner on our G751 laptops.

Imperfect functionality aside, this created the impression among a bunch of G751 users that mobile G-SYNC would be enabled retroactively once the technology went officially live; it certainly did for me at least, and I know I'm not the only one. What else were we to think when all we had to do was install a different driver and suddenly the feature was accessible? Now that G751 owners are being told this is only available on select G751JT/JY models of course this is going to result in some major disappointment, simply because it doesn't make sense to some users who had observed the technology working on their laptop with a leaked driver.

That being said, I don't think anyone here is feeling "entitled" (or at least those who are being constructive and not spouting vitriol) so much as they are just confused as to why they can't use G-SYNC now when they could before. Regardless, I've already come to terms with this and now just want an answer as to why, either from an ASUS rep or from information the ROG community gathers, particularly from those who plan on purchasing a G-SYNC enabled G751.


If there's an actual hardware difference, say, a different panel -- fine. Maybe there's some underlying hardware issue with the LGD046C panel we don't know about.
If the difference is not hardware related, but instead something like a different VBIOS for the GPU, well... that sucks. :|


The most important question is: Can we UPGRADE our "old" G751's with the new displays. Personally, I'd only do it if the new model is significantly better, say with the dreadful gradient banding but sill, it would be nice to have G-Sync. Especially considering we'll be "stuck" with our "top notch gaming notebooks".

tribiyani@me.com
06-03-2015, 08:05 AM
signed...

...and if I don't get g-sync compatible drivers I vow to never buy ROG again...no one gets to screw me over twice.

Boxis
06-03-2015, 08:42 AM
I would insta send my laptop to asus service, if there would be a chance for us to change the panel for G-Sync one. But obviously there will always be some little detail which prevents us old users to get the G-Sync running.
This is clear marketing strategy at its best in my opinion, just to sell as many products as possible.

JesseKHarms
06-03-2015, 09:15 AM
Signed.

TheFallenPenguin
06-03-2015, 09:30 AM
Good day everyone,
So I've been basically lurking here for quite some time, don't own an Asus laptop so I never had a need to register. I own an Aorus X7 Pro, they were also supposed to get G-Sync support. So I contacted Aorus a few times over the last couple of days, and I finally got a meaningful answer from them. They said that it isn't just a matter of giving a driver to enable G-Sync, they said that the laptop also needs a license for G-Sync support (They most likely have to pay a licensing fee to Nvidia for G-Sync support), so to get G-Sync on these new laptops the companies had to pay Nvidia for licensing, even though our old laptops can support G-Sync we never (and therefore the companies never) paid a license for our laptops.

I was really pissed when I first found out that my brand new laptop won't support G-Sync, but their reason for not supporting it is understandable. They're a company and if they now have to pay a license for all the laptops they previously sold they would lose money.
With all of that, I'm fine with my laptop not supporting G-Sync as they did have a valid and understandable reason not to support it on their old models. They (Aorus) also said that they forwarded my message to an engineer and he will evaluate whether there is a chance of getting a paid upgrade to the new model in the future.

Akik82
06-03-2015, 09:43 AM
Good day everyone,
So I've been basically lurking here for quite some time, don't own an Asus laptop so I never had a need to register. I own an Aorus X7 Pro, they were also supposed to get G-Sync support. So I contacted Aorus a few times over the last couple of days, and I finally got a meaningful answer from them. They said that it isn't just a matter of giving a driver to enable G-Sync, they said that the laptop also needs a license for G-Sync support (They most likely have to pay a licensing fee to Nvidia for G-Sync support), so to get G-Sync on these new laptops the companies had to pay Nvidia for licensing, even though our old laptops can support G-Sync we never (and therefore the companies never) paid a license for our laptops.

I was really pissed when I first found out that my brand new laptop won't support G-Sync, but their reason for not supporting it is understandable. They're a company and if they now have to pay a license for all the laptops they previously sold they would lose money.
With all of that, I'm fine with my laptop not supporting G-Sync as they did have a valid and understandable reason not to support it on their old models. They (Aorus) also said that they forwarded my message to an engineer and he will evaluate whether there is a chance of getting a paid upgrade to the new model in the future.

Interresting. Could you post this here please to continue to debate : http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?61959-G-Sync-Drivers-Official-NVIDIA/page9
Regards

Space Paste
06-03-2015, 10:24 AM
The most important question is: Can we UPGRADE our "old" G751's with the new displays. Personally, I'd only do it if the new model is significantly better, say with the dreadful gradient banding but sill, it would be nice to have G-Sync. Especially considering we'll be "stuck" with our "top notch gaming notebooks".

I've wondered that myself. If hardware was the issue and an official upgrade option surfaced I'd throw my money at it.


Good day everyone,
So I've been basically lurking here for quite some time, don't own an Asus laptop so I never had a need to register. I own an Aorus X7 Pro, they were also supposed to get G-Sync support. So I contacted Aorus a few times over the last couple of days, and I finally got a meaningful answer from them. They said that it isn't just a matter of giving a driver to enable G-Sync, they said that the laptop also needs a license for G-Sync support (They most likely have to pay a licensing fee to Nvidia for G-Sync support), so to get G-Sync on these new laptops the companies had to pay Nvidia for licensing, even though our old laptops can support G-Sync we never (and therefore the companies never) paid a license for our laptops.

I was really pissed when I first found out that my brand new laptop won't support G-Sync, but their reason for not supporting it is understandable. They're a company and if they now have to pay a license for all the laptops they previously sold they would lose money.
With all of that, I'm fine with my laptop not supporting G-Sync as they did have a valid and understandable reason not to support it on their old models. They (Aorus) also said that they forwarded my message to an engineer and he will evaluate whether there is a chance of getting a paid upgrade to the new model in the future.

I should have seen that answer coming a mile away. The moment you shared Aorus' answer I started poking around for public information regarding FreeSync. Now it all makes sense after reading this fact from AMD's FreeSync page (https://community.amd.com/community/amd-partners/blog/2015/05/11/what-is-freesync-an-explanation-in-laymans-terms):

"Unlike the competition, FreeSync offers a better gaming experience with no licensing fees, no proprietary hardware and open standards."

Well, crap. If licensing is the only issue for G751 owners then I can't help but wonder what's different about the GSYNC enabled counterparts that makes G-SYNC function.

Jlieu
06-03-2015, 11:03 AM
My old G750 completely no hope right ? lol

For my G751JT, im still using leak driver that run G-sync.

sati747
06-03-2015, 11:28 AM
Signed

Comodus
06-03-2015, 11:38 AM
Absolutely Signed.

I have G751JY-T7064D. Is it supporting G-SYNC already? I have 60 hz LED IPS. Or do we have to upgrade new G-SYNC monitor?

bluebubblea
06-03-2015, 01:54 PM
Signed.

What a shame if Asus doesn't allow G-Sync support on existing G751 models. And then I won't be buying any Asus laptop ANY MORE.

2menijulia
06-03-2015, 02:27 PM
ok...add me up as well :D

signed!!!

too bad this forum is not working on tapatalk... :(

SaaArt
06-03-2015, 02:52 PM
Signed.

HaWkEyE47
06-03-2015, 03:04 PM
signed!

Zombievac
06-03-2015, 04:16 PM
I've wondered that myself. If hardware was the issue and an official upgrade option surfaced I'd throw my money at it.



I should have seen that answer coming a mile away. The moment you shared Aorus' answer I started poking around for public information regarding FreeSync. Now it all makes sense after reading this fact from AMD's FreeSync page (https://community.amd.com/community/amd-partners/blog/2015/05/11/what-is-freesync-an-explanation-in-laymans-terms):

"Unlike the competition, FreeSync offers a better gaming experience with no licensing fees, no proprietary hardware and open standards."

Well, crap. If licensing is the only issue for G751 owners then I can't help but wonder what's different about the GSYNC enabled counterparts that makes G-SYNC function.

No difference. It'll be a modded vBIOS, which someone will hack and allow for installation on "non-licensed" models. I just really hope ASUS allows us to pay for the licensing fee, if needed, or has negociated that in their deal with NVIDIA already to support previously sold G751's. I don't want to have to muck around with modded vBIOSes, but I will if I have to! You can always go back to the default one if you do it right and were to need to send the machine in for repair. ASUS support just isn't smart enough to bother checking for that anyway, I'm sure, if there's even a way to check after reverting to the official vBIOS...

Edweird
06-03-2015, 04:23 PM
No difference. It'll be a modded vBIOS, which someone will hack and allow for installation on "non-licensed" models. I just really hope ASUS allows us to pay for the licensing fee, if needed, or has negociated that in their deal with NVIDIA already to support previously sold G751's. I don't want to have to muck around with modded vBIOSes, but I will if I have to! You can always go back to the default one if you do it right and were to need to send the machine in for repair. ASUS support just isn't smart enough to bother checking for that anyway, I'm sure, if there's even a way to check after reverting to the official vBIOS...

This. I'd pay for the feature to have a supported solution. I can't imagine how that would work, though. And I don't think BIOS/vBIOS changes leave version change information anywhere but who knows.

Space Paste
06-03-2015, 05:58 PM
No difference. It'll be a modded vBIOS, which someone will hack and allow for installation on "non-licensed" models. I just really hope ASUS allows us to pay for the licensing fee, if needed, or has negociated that in their deal with NVIDIA already to support previously sold G751's. I don't want to have to muck around with modded vBIOSes, but I will if I have to! You can always go back to the default one if you do it right and were to need to send the machine in for repair. ASUS support just isn't smart enough to bother checking for that anyway, I'm sure, if there's even a way to check after reverting to the official vBIOS...


This. I'd pay for the feature to have a supported solution. I can't imagine how that would work, though. And I don't think BIOS/vBIOS changes leave version change information anywhere but who knows.

I also suspect a different vBIOS is the case, but I'd be immensely appreciative if some official upgrade process was available that allows us to update the vBIOS and not lose our warranties. Not sure how that would be tracked, though. Unique serial numbers of each laptop, perhaps? I don't know, it just sounds like there's no reason for current G751 owners to not be able to obtain G-SYNC licensing. *shrug*

Edweird
06-03-2015, 06:36 PM
That's too much hassle and wouldn't make any sense marketing-wise. It's 5x more than what should be expected from ASUS. Gentech just started selling a JT with G-SYNC and it's more expensive.

TheFallenPenguin
06-03-2015, 07:02 PM
That's too much hassle and wouldn't make any sense marketing-wise. It's 5x more than what should be expected from ASUS. Gentech just started selling a JT with G-SYNC and it's more expensive.


I also suspect a different vBIOS is the case, but I'd be immensely appreciative if some official upgrade process was available that allows us to update the vBIOS and not lose our warranties. Not sure how that would be tracked, though. Unique serial numbers of each laptop, perhaps? I don't know, it just sounds like there's no reason for current G751 owners to not be able to obtain G-SYNC licensing. *shrug*

Because Asus would have needed to pay a licensing fee to Nvidia for the new models that have G-Sync. When you bought your laptop the licensing fee wasn't included in the price. So if Asus wants to enable G-Sync on their old models then they would have to pay licensing fees for those old models, that money would have to come out of their own pocket as the owners of the old G751 never had the fee inculded in the purchase price.

ROGTWAT
06-03-2015, 07:09 PM
BUT most of them are willing to PAY for it.

Tindreal
06-03-2015, 07:14 PM
That's too much hassle and wouldn't make any sense marketing-wise. It's 5x more than what should be expected from ASUS. Gentech just started selling a JT with G-SYNC and it's more expensive.

Wrong m8, the gsync model has the SAME price tag as the non gsync version with the same config. $1899

If it had any extra hw, then the price would be higher too...

DeltaActual
06-03-2015, 07:26 PM
Wrong m8, the gsync model has the SAME price tag as the non gsync version with the same config. $1899

If it had any extra hw, then the price would be higher too...
256GB SSD model used to go for $1.799 at launch, don't know what happened after.

Edweird
06-03-2015, 07:35 PM
Well, extra hardware could be half a square inch pcb with a chip on it tucked towards the back of the laptop.
It might cost more, it might not. I wouldn't pay $100 for a license to use G-SYNC, for example.

silverjoel07
06-03-2015, 08:39 PM
Signed !!!!

IsraelzinhoBR
06-03-2015, 08:53 PM
Signed

TheFallenPenguin
06-03-2015, 10:51 PM
BUT most of them are willing to PAY for it.

They can't just give it to one person who pays, then he'll give it to everyone else (the vBIOS/BIOS or whatever enables the Nvidia driver to recognize that the device is G-Sync supported). So if EVERYONE doesn't pay then NO ONE gets G-Sync, do you see the problem they have?

Korth
06-03-2015, 11:53 PM
It seems a moot argument since the easiest solution for everyone would simply be a new submodel/variant of the laptop which ships with G-Sync, even if it costs a little more.

My question is whether G-Sync is even useful on these laptops. As in, would anybody ever actually game >60fps enough to notice the difference, can the GPU hardware churn out that many frames, is the display panel even capable of >60Hz anyhow?

Otherwise, FWIW, I give my "signature" to this petition. I may never buy this laptop model, but a few years from now whatever model I will buy could be a whole lot better if G-Sync has become standard issue.

TheFallenPenguin
06-04-2015, 04:45 AM
It seems a moot argument since the easiest solution for everyone would simply be a new submodel/variant of the laptop which ships with G-Sync, even if it costs a little more.

My question is whether G-Sync is even useful on these laptops. As in, would anybody ever actually game >60fps enough to notice the difference, can the GPU hardware churn out that many frames, is the display panel even capable of >60Hz anyhow?

Otherwise, FWIW, I give my "signature" to this petition. I may never buy this laptop model, but a few years from now whatever model I will buy could be a whole lot better if G-Sync has become standard issue.

Well my laptop has 970m SLI, so it can definitely do 60fps+ on new titles. As for the display, they can go up to 100Hz (or that's what mine is running at anyways)

serbicu
06-04-2015, 06:27 AM
Every display in g751jy is capable of 100HZ oced.

Zombievac
06-04-2015, 01:51 PM
It seems a moot argument since the easiest solution for everyone would simply be a new submodel/variant of the laptop which ships with G-Sync, even if it costs a little more.

My question is whether G-Sync is even useful on these laptops. As in, would anybody ever actually game >60fps enough to notice the difference, can the GPU hardware churn out that many frames, is the display panel even capable of >60Hz anyhow?

Otherwise, FWIW, I give my "signature" to this petition. I may never buy this laptop model, but a few years from now whatever model I will buy could be a whole lot better if G-Sync has become standard issue.

G-SYNC is definitely worth it. For one, you gain performance with it because you no longer need v-sync, so you get higher FPS at the same settings overall, with all the increased smoothness G-SYNC also provides. Plus, whether you think you want it (if you game, you do want it, trust me), why be hesitant to encourage Asus to improve their customer service/satisfaction? :)

And, FYI, the display is easily capable of OCing to 100Hz, and although there are supposedly risks with that, no one has had an issue from it, and supposedly you'd notice visual issues with the display and could tehn turn down the OC before causing any real damage.

MafJose
06-04-2015, 02:04 PM
why be hesitant to encourage Asus to improve their customer service/satisfaction? :)


Because the G751 is already so well made, without any customer complaints recieved quality and service wise!

Just trolling ;) Yea, Asus, get your sh*t together.

Bayerius
06-04-2015, 02:27 PM
i got my asus g751 yesterday.. how can i check if i can activate gsync`? no new nvidia driver available that let me activate gsync in in nvidia control panel... my laptop is exact 1 day old... i rly hope i didnt have to send it back

i have a Asus ROG Gaming G751JT-T7093H with a 17.3 IPS LED screen and a GTX 970m

ya.clinbin
06-04-2015, 07:25 PM
Signed

Cronoo
06-04-2015, 07:48 PM
the g751 is listed http://www.maximumpc.com/nvidia-g-sync-heads-to-new-monitors-and-laptop-displays/ hype! but i wonder if it's only newer g751's

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/g-sync-gets-even-better
we already have 75hz ips hmm wonder if g751 was a testbed

Space Paste
06-05-2015, 03:44 AM
the g751 is listed http://www.maximumpc.com/nvidia-g-sync-heads-to-new-monitors-and-laptop-displays/ hype! but i wonder if it's only newer g751's

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/g-sync-gets-even-better
we already have 75hz ips hmm wonder if g751 was a testbed

I'd say it most likely was based on two things:


The comment NVIDIA issued when they were forced to admit mobile G-SYNC was a software solution coming soon after the leak.
The LGD046C panel in the current G751 laptops was locked at a default refresh rate of 75 Hz across several versions of GeForce drivers. Only recently was it reset back to 60 Hz like it was out of the box.


In my personal experience with multiple PCs and laptops, there hasn't been one instance of any panel I used that had the default refresh rate modified when updating drivers, not counting the G751. I suppose there could be several reasons why that would happen, but for me that doesn't seem like a coincidence, rather an indication that some testing was taking place behind the curtains.

dom1nator
06-05-2015, 10:10 AM
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G751JT/G751JTAS207.zip?_ga=1.15064118.1852374553.14250278 59

Bios 207 add support G-sync function.

DeltaActual
06-05-2015, 10:18 AM
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G751JT/G751JTAS207.zip?_ga=1.15064118.1852374553.14250278 59

Bios 207 add support G-sync function.

No , it's not. Before you post - read couple of pages back please.

beststevie
06-05-2015, 10:24 AM
Hi,

congratulations for all which have written something here.



I would be very interested in infos about this new firmware. I fear I get the same problems with USB ports I get, If I upgrade from 205 to 206.

It would be interesting if it's downgradeabel?


But Maybe we need a new thread for this.


best wishes

steve

beststevie
06-05-2015, 10:39 AM
Because of the vbios thing? I dind't read every sentence in this thread, too, but if you please don't talk in riddles. Not every one is capable to
understand all what is written here. So one single sentence to describe what you're talking about would be appreciated.

I'm just a little bit confused because of the release date. Since yesterday I didn't find a message which has said, that this bios dind't work for G-synch.

best wishes

steve

Edweird
06-05-2015, 10:59 AM
Steve, downgrading BIOS is normally not allowed by ASUS (but I don't think they have a way of seeing this).

We had BIOS version 207 1-2 months ago for G751JY, and it said that it enables G-SYNC. It did not. Then they renamed it. Now they released 207 for G751JT, it also says that it enables BIOS and it also does not.

vBIOS is something different and unrelated to the 205, 206, 207 etc. that we are discussing. It is the GPU's BIOS.
We think that to enable G-SYNC on the CURRENT G751 laptops, all we would need is one vBIOS update for the GPU, combined with a NVidia video driver.

So, we think that there are no hardware changes in the new models of G751. Only software. Now we are being told that there are actually hardware changes, maybe a new type of display.

beststevie
06-05-2015, 11:11 AM
Ok, now I understand you (hope so). But what does you give the impression, that they dind't work on it the last months and they didn't improve it a bit?
It might have the same Bios Revision, but for what reason they should release it without improvement? But maybe you're right. But if I cannot
downgrade the Bios, I cannot test it, because of the USB problems I had with 206.

I'm not such a big player but I'm very interested how they can advertise a feature which does not function. The enterprise I work for has already lost a lot of money for that, because they had to take back some hardware.

Edweird
06-05-2015, 11:50 AM
Because it's ASUS. Their internal communication looks to be horrible. Their software engineering department doesn't get any praise from a lot of users on this forum.

I guess somebody forgot to tell the guys working on the JT version that they shouldn't name it like they did the JY 207...

But I'm assuming based on what I have seen so far. Nothing negative meant, just ... calling it like I see it.

I3elphegor
06-05-2015, 12:20 PM
Can anyone actually tell me why they are prolly going to do it this way? Selling practically the same model for a few more bucks? looks stupid to me. There is a chance of losing customers, who bought older models and if these new models are going to be only a lil bit more expensive, who will buy models without G-Sync?

Edweird
06-05-2015, 12:30 PM
That's a great question, Belphegor, one we all want the answer to. Time will tell.

Zombievac
06-05-2015, 01:57 PM
Can anyone actually tell me why they are prolly going to do it this way? Selling practically the same model for a few more bucks? looks stupid to me. There is a chance of losing customers, who bought older models and if these new models are going to be only a lil bit more expensive, who will buy models without G-Sync?

We can be pretty sure at this point that it's due to a G-SYNC licensing cost for each unit that supports it, paid to NVIDIA by ASUS. What they really should do is allow current owners to pay the fee (cost difference) to get the feature as well. That would be fair.

Edweird
06-05-2015, 02:07 PM
Agreed. But it would be the first time I've seen such a thing be done. It would require payment system organization, website and interface design, connections to ASUS' central databases...like I said earlier, it's too much of a hassle, or at least it seems like that to me. It would be extremely unusual for any company and even more so for ASUS.

But it would be fair.

skimpi
06-05-2015, 04:00 PM
g751 jy /signed also
take my money and a few weeks later news arrives from everyone NOT Asus that gsync is imminent on said laptops ,, but only if you buy a 2nd one lol

Aglauros
06-05-2015, 06:49 PM
signed

kalo86
06-05-2015, 09:07 PM
signed

Asaku01
06-06-2015, 04:46 PM
also signed

nirvana_82
06-06-2015, 06:25 PM
signed

CaptainPhaser
06-06-2015, 07:39 PM
signed

pwnnwbs
06-06-2015, 07:43 PM
signed

ELZZZORRO
06-07-2015, 12:38 AM
Signed

starr
06-07-2015, 05:33 AM
Signed!

CLass
06-07-2015, 07:50 AM
signed

Bayerius
06-07-2015, 10:48 AM
signed

iDejv
06-07-2015, 10:54 AM
signed

djdy72@gmail.com
06-07-2015, 08:49 PM
Signed

Julian77
06-08-2015, 09:20 AM
Signed

rareshadow
06-09-2015, 02:30 AM
Signed!!!

patsy
06-09-2015, 02:58 AM
signed

Ardavan777
06-09-2015, 06:45 AM
signed

virusce0707
06-09-2015, 04:03 PM
signed

freelancer85
06-09-2015, 04:35 PM
Signed

Wardaddy
06-09-2015, 05:54 PM
Signed

DocX36
06-09-2015, 08:30 PM
Signed...

Cronoo
06-09-2015, 08:50 PM
Signed

Digranes
06-10-2015, 07:10 AM
Just sold my laptop, buying a desktop instead because atleast then I can upgrade instead of changing the entire computer :P

beststevie
06-10-2015, 08:44 AM
signed

janiceps
06-10-2015, 10:59 AM
signed

Archescent
06-10-2015, 11:56 AM
Signed!

flowepower
06-10-2015, 12:18 PM
signed

x7007
06-10-2015, 03:13 PM
Does the G751JY and JT the first ones support Gsync ? cause I can do 100 Hz and it works great. games run perfect and so are movies.

zielo
06-11-2015, 07:32 AM
Signed

Bridger
06-11-2015, 07:42 AM
signed

dimast
06-12-2015, 04:14 AM
Signed

johnnymiyake
06-12-2015, 06:01 AM
signed!

santamas83
06-12-2015, 06:31 AM
signed

Marcin79
06-12-2015, 11:48 AM
SIGNED, Alpha driver has proved that our laptops are compatible with G-Sync. I bought my G751JY two weeks ago and I will pissed off if Asus will not give us support in G-Sync because of marketing issues. If not, it will be my last laptop from ASUS.

RathNavy
06-12-2015, 04:24 PM
Signed!!

Gps3dx
06-12-2015, 06:00 PM
Signed !!!

ReeveJ
06-14-2015, 05:56 PM
Signed.

"Asus will not give us support in G-Sync because of marketing issues."

From what I understand, it's not really a marketing issue - it's a licensing one. I would not be surprised to find the licensing cost reflected in the price of a G-Sync-enabled model. Very likely these versions will be priced a hundred or more dollars higher at retail. I'm not trying to curb the righteous furor of existing owners here, only to rationalize.

Black Gun
06-14-2015, 06:26 PM
Signed




Signed.

"Asus will not give us support in G-Sync because of marketing issues."

From what I understand, it's not really a marketing issue - it's a licensing one. I would not be surprised to find the licensing cost reflected in the price of a G-Sync-enabled model. Very likely these versions will be priced a hundred or more dollars higher at retail. I'm not trying to curb the righteous furor of existing owners here, only to rationalize.

Well, in that case, they should offer owners of older models without G-sync the option to pay for the upgrade. Sure, not everybody will be willing to pay 100$ or more..

But it's an absolute no go to leave all customers with "unfortunate timing" of their purchase without the option to get an upgrade for which the technology is there when they are willing to pay for it. That's like saying "no, we dont want your 100 bucks, we want you to be screwed and stuck without g-sync because you bought our notebook too early. Sucks to be you". It simply makes no sense whatsoever...

Ren Ilham
06-15-2015, 03:54 AM
signed

2menijulia
06-15-2015, 03:01 PM
Signed





Well, in that case, they should offer owners of older models without G-sync the option to pay for the upgrade. Sure, not everybody will be willing to pay 100$ or more..

But it's an absolute no go to leave all customers with "unfortunate timing" of their purchase without the option to get an upgrade for which the technology is there when they are willing to pay for it. That's like saying "no, we dont want your 100 bucks, we want you to be screwed and stuck without g-sync because you bought our notebook too early. Sucks to be you". It simply makes no sense whatsoever...


i totally agree with you sir...i just bought my laptop a few months ago...and tsk tsk tsk....g-sync capable laptops and same model with mine?! so i do prefer buying the license(as long as certified) :D

ELZZZORRO
06-16-2015, 04:15 AM
signed

EvanWins
06-16-2015, 07:40 AM
signed (seriously we paid good money for these things.. if there is no hardware limitation I seriously don't understand the hold up)

Rawand
06-16-2015, 02:39 PM
im just surprised they not responding people at this forum
SHAME ON You asus

EvanWins
06-16-2015, 05:26 PM
Well I'm sure someone has seen it and someone is discussing the response that should be given.

Though it's just frustrating I've seen a lot of poor outcomes from Asus with things like this, for example how the Formula-Z needs updated LAN drivers but there is no support for windows 8.1 and no one want's to take the time to implement it so Intel and Asus just point fingers at each other.

I just wish that people would tell the truth and say the real reasons why this won't be supported rather than some bull**** run around pointing fingers ****. Just come out with it and say well we want it as a selling point, or well we don't want to invest the time it's not profitable, or well it's just not ready yet.

Hank174
06-16-2015, 07:26 PM
signed

chris.crybaby
06-16-2015, 07:56 PM
signed

smallj53
06-16-2015, 11:36 PM
Signed.

rowee270
06-17-2015, 02:07 AM
signed

Xantic39
06-17-2015, 11:17 AM
Signed

Sargatanas
06-17-2015, 06:49 PM
signed

though I doubt that
1. we will get an official answer
2. we get any solution besides buying a new one at all

ELZZZORRO
06-18-2015, 03:11 AM
signed

x7007
06-18-2015, 04:28 AM
Signed

Illazzerus
06-18-2015, 08:23 AM
Yes please!

Akki
06-18-2015, 06:01 PM
signed,..

p.s. do you think that they care look at this at all?

kelso1108
06-19-2015, 03:28 AM
I saw that there's a BIOS update on the ASUS site that supports G-Sync. Do you guys think this could be the answer to the problem? https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ASUS_ROG_G751JT/HelpDesk_Download/

kaiserfalco
06-19-2015, 05:49 AM
signed,..

p.s. do you think that they care look at this at all?

open a support ticket and link them to this thread, then they should know.


@Akki: it has been discuss over n over again, there is a few thread regarding that bios 207.

sdfsfede
06-19-2015, 07:04 AM
open a support ticket and link them to this thread, then they should know.

Instead of telling people what to do, why don't you make the effort to put your own idea into practice, punk!.

Edweird
06-19-2015, 07:12 AM
Instead of telling people what to do, why don't you make the effort to put your own idea into practice, punk!.

There's no need for that. They already know, one of the members had a conversation with ASUS reps that said the thread has already been looked at.

kaiserfalco
06-19-2015, 07:59 AM
Instead of telling people what to do, why don't you make the effort to put your own idea into practice, punk!.

@sdsfede -just for your info, don't see any effort from your side.

@edweird - im the one who contacting Asus tech representative but it seem like as per last communication that about it, either you have hardware id of 1618 and 1718 the rest is not applicable, hence my recommendation to start bombarding their tech center support create as many complaint as we can and try to push them to include support for us both jt and jy variant. i guess we need numbers to be seen.

49833

escha
06-19-2015, 11:29 AM
are asus users the only that experienced refresh rate changes on some nvidia drivers or MSI users also?
I say we take it to NVIDIA who's selling oems "new" gpus with new vbios (diffrent hw id)
because it is NVIDIA who's making drivers and licensing shi t

QC_AGENT
06-19-2015, 09:08 PM
signed

DRiVER_helsinki
06-19-2015, 09:29 PM
Singnezino

jprubio
06-20-2015, 03:09 AM
signed

Jlieu
06-20-2015, 12:09 PM
signed.

Rares95
06-20-2015, 05:22 PM
signed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGIIjZ6kZ_0

RathNavy
06-20-2015, 07:10 PM
I just got some response from ASUS. If what Could said is true, then there is actually a hardware difference in the new model.

Thank you for contacting ASUS Service Care.
My name is Cloud and it''s my pleasure to help you with your problem.
We apologize for the delayed response due to the weekend.
We are so sorry for the inconvenience in using our product.

For this condition, please update the latest BIOS 207 then install the latest Nvidia
graphic driver.

Please click this link to download the latest BIOS.

http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?
SLanguage=en&p=3&s=719&m=G751JT&os=41&ft=3&f_name=G751JTAS207.zip#G
751JTAS207.zip

After this, please run Winflash to update the BIOS version.
If you don''t find Winflash in the start menus, you can input the keyword "Winflash" in
the search bar.(If you don''t find Winflash in the start menus, you can input the keyword
"Winflash" in the search bar. If you don’t find it, here''s the link to the latest Winflash
utility. Please download and install first.
Version V2.42.0
http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?
SLanguage=en&p=3&s=580&m=T100TA&os=40&ft=21&f_name=WinFlash_Win81_3
2_VER2420.zip#WinFlash_Win81_32_VER2420.zip

1). Select the BIOS.
2). Winflash will check the compatibility between the BIOS and the system.
3). Click "Flash" to update the BIOS.
Note: It is recommended to close the running programs and plug the power supply.
4). Wait 2~3 minutes.
5). Click "Exit" to shut down the system.
6). Check the BIOS version is updated successfully.

Nvidia graphic driver V353.06
http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/353.06/353.06-notebook-win8-win7-64bit-
international-whql.exe

After that, please check the hardware Ids in device manager. Only below ID support
NVIDIA G-sync, thanks.

G751JY: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1617&SUBSYS_22DA1043 (Driver: 347.81+)
G751JT: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1618&SUBSYS_22DA1043 (Driver: 348.01+)

See attachment to know how to check it.

If your notebook conform to all these condition, you can open G-sync function in Nvidia
Control Panel.

Thank you for your cooperation.

If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please do not hesitate to let
us know. We will be more than happy to assist you.
Thanks!
Wish you a nice day!

Best regards,
Cloud
Customer Service Center
ASUSTek Computer Inc.

Dear Cloud,
I believe you misunderstood my question. I already assume that my current
specification will not be compatible with G-SYNC functionality. (Thank you for
confirming that, even though I also would like to know the detailed as much as you can
provide, not just check this and if it is not this label then it is not supported) What I was
asking is "Is there anyway I can add the G-SYNC compatibility to my current
specification?" from the attachment you sent, I also got a few more questions "if I
replace the discrete GPU will it add the G-SYNC capability to my laptop or will it
requires other implementation as well?" and "What is the difference between PCI
\VEN_10DE&DEV_13D8&SUBSYS_22DA1043 vs PCI
\VEN_10DE&DEV_1618&SUBSYS_22DA1043 ?" Thank you very much for your time. I
believe there are many people asking you this kind of questions at the moment.
Honestly, I still have not heard any good answer with a acceptable clarification from
ASUS up until now.


Thank you for replying ASUS Service Care.
My name is Cloud and it''s my pleasure to help you with your problem.

After checking with our engineer, for your notebook G751JT, because G-sync module is integrated in graphic card and this graphic card is welded on the motherboard, so it could not add G-sync module.

And for the hardware ID issue, we want to say
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1617&SUBSYS_22DA1043
is for G751JY (GTX980M)

PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1618&SUBSYS_22DA1043
is for G751JT (GTX970M)

Thank you for your understanding.

If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please do not hesitate to let us know. We will be more than happy to assist you.
Thanks!
Wish you a nice day!

Best regards
Cloud
Customer Service Center
ASUSTek Computer Inc.

RathNavy
06-20-2015, 07:14 PM
Nvidia has listed on their website that GTX 970M & 980M are G-SYNC supported. So basically my G-SYNC Supported GPU does not support G-SYNC on my laptop? Does this mean ASUS sold us a G-SYNC support GPU that does not support G-SYNC in the first place?

49954

streeter
06-20-2015, 07:17 PM
Signed

RathNavy
06-20-2015, 07:27 PM
I hope you guys see where I'm going with this even when we bought this laptop we didn't expect it to have G-SYNC because other hardware limitation in the laptop itself. However, the GPU is supposed to support G-SYNC as advertised. Now, ASUS is telling us "There in no hardware difference in the laptop itself. We just added G-SYNC module to a G-SYNC support GPU to actually make it supports G-SYNC" Good move, ASUS.

oo1ooABZoo1oo
06-20-2015, 09:06 PM
Signed

Peeyar
06-21-2015, 05:10 PM
Signed

moola
06-21-2015, 06:24 PM
signed. marmoola

nice.lw
06-21-2015, 07:06 PM
signed. Lukasz Wegrzyn (nice.lw)

Praz
06-22-2015, 11:57 PM
Instead of telling people what to do, why don't you make the effort to put your own idea into practice, punk!.
Hello

One more post resembling anything like the above will result in a loss of posting privileges. Thank you.

tiDUs88
06-23-2015, 02:34 AM
signed. If asus wont release G-sync for old users, this will be my last ROG laptop. will go for illegear / MSI. :)

joshindaphils
06-23-2015, 10:47 AM
signed. If asus wont release G-sync for old users, this will be my last ROG laptop. will go for illegear / MSI. :)

Not to poo poo all over your attitude, but you do realize that all laptop brands are doing the exact same thing regarding G-Sync? If you are so upset to boycott a brand then don't buy nVida, it is their licensing restriction.

Raffafari
06-24-2015, 02:17 AM
Signed.

Vythica
06-24-2015, 10:34 AM
Signed. Bought mine 3 weeks ago ....brand new out the box...sealed and it still has it's new laptop smell. I am not paying another 2k Euros for the exact same laptop, which has a G-sync sticker.

rmbruntz
06-24-2015, 11:26 AM
signed

QC_AGENT
06-24-2015, 12:14 PM
I already signed but I just want to add that when I bought my JY, G-Sync was not advertised, neither I was aware of it. I was very happy with my new ROG, it was gaming fine and it still does. If we got G-Sync, I will be very happy with ASUS, since I like evolutive solution. But If I don't get it, well I'm still happy with my great laptop that is gaming fine G-String or not!

Raulftw
06-24-2015, 02:19 PM
Signed

neneche
06-24-2015, 06:36 PM
signed

Rammstein874
06-24-2015, 08:48 PM
Wait didn't Asus release a bios update for the G751JT?

BIOS 207
Support G-sync function.

Or is this different?

garysuper
06-25-2015, 02:16 AM
signed

Biozn18
06-25-2015, 06:17 AM
signed

Medicius
06-25-2015, 11:45 AM
Signed!

HulkSmash
06-25-2015, 12:09 PM
Wait, so, if G-Sync is disabled on our laptops, and we need the module...How come there is a custom driver floating around that allows you to use G-Sync?

Sanctrum
06-25-2015, 02:13 PM
Wait, so, if G-Sync is disabled on our laptops, and we need the module...How come there is a custom driver floating around that allows you to use G-Sync?

Read, read , read... use the search option.
And in fact your have already replied to yourself, as 2 "facts" inside your question above are just very questionable or simply not true.

- It is not disabled at G751 but simply not officially "released" by Asus/Nvidia (yet?).
- Probably we do not need the hardware module for G751 as laptop's monitor is better-integrated with the motherboard then any external monitors that really requires the hardware module (some well informed persons says?)

Nvidia probably tends to license G-Sync (no free lunch)... so ASUS/+ other laptops vendors need to release the special modified vbios for the new versions of laptops to distinguish whose laptop has the license included in the total price (new) and whose not (old). :(

IT'S A PITY that Nvidia actually do not allow to buy the license by customers...??

Some probably well informed persons say that it is only vbios matter = no hardware difference between g-sync and not g-sync g751 laptops. Some even says that one do not need any vbios change. Also there is N-sync alternative initiative going on...

Personally I believe more to those "some people" as their previous revelations and leaked, not protected Nvidia beta diver enabling g-sync, and also news regarding windowed g-sync mode for laptops... all appeared to be true after some time... So the next "revelations" might be also confirmed in the near future.

Let's wait.

I the meantime let's put some pressure over Asus and Nvidia via this thread and others. We must be heard!

blackroses
06-25-2015, 04:37 PM
Signed!!

penguin555
06-25-2015, 06:09 PM
Signed

Rammstein874
06-26-2015, 12:47 AM
Wait didn't Asus release a bios update for the G751JT?

BIOS 207
Support G-sync function.

Or is this different?

So even though we have the bios update we really don't have G-sync...Now if i am right this is called False Advertising right...

NitroX
06-26-2015, 04:27 AM
As Gamenab sais, let's ask asus some queations about why are they playing us like fools. Are we just some big fat wallets for them or are we a RoG communiry that deserves proper answers and respect. Read this small article from here:http://gamenab.net/2015/06/25/read-this-until-the-end-thank-you/#more-1169

stylemongo
06-26-2015, 08:16 AM
I just posted a Question about the G-Sync Situation our G751 on the Offical ASUS ROG Germany Site.
Feel free to "like" and comment my Post, maybe it will help ASUS to give us an answer....

https://www.facebook.com/ASUSROG.DE?fref=nf

U will find it under Posts on this Site

joshindaphils
06-26-2015, 11:32 AM
So even though we have the bios update we really don't have G-sync...Now if i am right this is called False Advertising right...

Not even close. For an explination of how wrong this misguided perception is please read my post here: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?61959-G-Sync-Drivers-Official-NVIDIA&p=505630&viewfull=1#post505630

Svift
06-26-2015, 12:08 PM
Not even close. For an explination of how wrong this misguided perception is please read my post here: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?61959-G-Sync-Drivers-Official-NVIDIA&p=505630&viewfull=1#post505630

Wrong. All of it.

G751JY has IPS pannel with 100Hz capability . (I run it on 100Hz since the leaked drivers) I got mine in November 2014 from very firs batch to Europe so even the oldes ones have it ALL.

And the leaked drivers. I had been running G-Sync on internal screen witch the leaked drivers. And it worked. It had some bugs but it worked. Mobile G-Sync is "lite" version of a desktop version, lacks some features because doesnt use any HW module on LCD itself its basicalli a SW solution.

Thats why people want it!

joshindaphils
06-26-2015, 12:44 PM
Wrong. All of it.

G751JY has IPS pannel with 100Hz capability . (I run it on 100Hz since the leaked drivers) I got mine in November 2014 from very firs batch to Europe so even the oldes ones have it ALL.

And the leaked drivers. I had been running G-Sync on internal screen witch the leaked drivers. And it worked. It had some bugs but it worked. Mobile G-Sync is "lite" version of a desktop version, lacks some features because doesnt use any HW module on LCD itself its basicalli a SW solution.

Thats why people want it!

My post is 100% factually correct. You are reading things into it that are not there. Your response is not even pertinent to anything I've posted.

I didn't claim it wasn't possible with the existing hardware.

As an aside Mobile G-Sync isn't any more of a software solution then regular G-Sync outside of pixel overdrive logic.. . it uses the Adaptive-Sync part of the eDP spec exactly as FreeSync uses the Adaptive-Sync part of DP 1.2a / 1.3.

As well there is no connection between the ability to do custom resolutions (panel OC) and leaked G-Sync drivers incase you are under that impression (as you connect the two). Forgive me if you are attempting to reference the ability to run the panel at 75Hz to meet the spec'ed equivalent of released / announced G-Sync laptops, it isn't clear.

My comment was in regards to the claim of Asus being guilty of false advertising which is ridiculous and it is well explained in my linked post why bios support for G-Sync doesn't mean G-Sync support for your laptop in clear layman's terms. No amount of wanting or desire will change that. This is completely separate from 'unofficial support', technical feasibility, or even nVidia and Asus reversing course and enabling support...

Please don't confuse or inject things into what I have written then claim me to be wrong.

Heck I want G-Sync on my laptop to... who wouldn't?!? Doesn't mean I'll let my wants override facts and logic.

Nemix
06-26-2015, 03:55 PM
Free gimped software version of G-Sync for G751 laptop series sign me up for the G751JL (GTX 965M).

Setoku
06-27-2015, 08:12 AM
Signed Lets hope they do something about this and not screw us over :mad:

Nemix
06-27-2015, 11:14 AM
G-Sync is officially supported in the G751JT/JY models without Optimus (models with Optimus G751JM/JL not supported), update to the latest BIOS and install the G-Sync drivers.

Your voices have been heard, this the best thing Asus has done for G751 owners maybe to make up the the minor hardware issues (left USB ports and sound imbalance).

Marcin79
06-27-2015, 12:53 PM
Where can I find that new "super" BIOS?? I guess that should be number 208.