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dookooo
01-16-2016, 04:39 AM
Hello,Good day all

I was an owner for G75VW with a 3D Display since 2013 , it has been stolen 3 days ago from my car with all the things (Asus Backpack , Asus Gaming Mouse ) and some Extrenal hard drives :( , anyway i am searching again for a nice gaming Laptop , i had a good experience with the G75VW before , also i can see a lot of cool upgrades in G752VY and G752VT versions , i intend to buy one of those machines :

1-ASUS ROG G752VY-DH72 ( http://www.amazon.com/G752VY-DH72-17-Inch-Gaming-GeForce-Titanium/dp/B01578ZM6Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452917537&sr=8-1&keywords=g752vy )

2-Alienware AW17R3-8342SLV ( http://www.amazon.com/Alienware-AW17R3-8342SLV-Laptop-Generation-GeForce/dp/B015PYYCEK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1452917549&sr=8-2&keywords=alienware+17+r3)

and i have a few question :

1- Does the ROG G752VY version has an ORANGE rear vent ??

2- what is the Difference between the G-Sync Display and the UHD display in the Alienware , is it about 60Hz for UHD and 120Hz to G-Sync !?

3- i red about a lot of bugs in the G752VY Bios versions , i know the Alienware has some bugs too , but do i need to worry about a faster fixes for these bugs in Asus ?

4- what about the battery life in the G752VY , is it really bad ??

I didn't use an Alienware Laptop before , and i have a headache to choose between both of them , both are almost the same price , both are good , but i really need a push in the right direction , a convincing opinion to help me choose one of them .

Thanks in advance ,
have a great day .

Sniffy
01-16-2016, 07:39 AM
1. Depends on the model you buy. They come in different colors I believe

2. The G752 has G-Sync (and therefore 75Hz) and the Alienware UHD is 2160p (which you won't be able to run games at). If you don't understand what G--Sync is then you should look it up. The G752 has the better display though by far, UHD cannot be used in games with current GPUs at good FPS. G-Sync is more useful

3. Hard to say but usually ASUS notebooks receive BIOS updates throughout their lifespan relatively regularly.

4. It's quite bad yes. But no gaming laptop really excels in this area.

Alienware are pretty garbage imo, their older laptops from a few years ago were much better.

Tidbits
01-16-2016, 08:11 AM
1. Only the 980 comes with the different color vents. I have the 970 Model and they are black vents
2. What Sniffy said
3. Toss up honestly some bugs will get fixed faster than others.
4. I have yet to have a gaming laptop to date that gives "good" battery life

Alienware I am not to sure about. I had one long before Dell bought them out so based on back when I enjoyed them.

The 2 brands right now I would purchase is the MSI and Asus.

XOIIO
01-16-2016, 08:21 AM
Well, honestly, I'd steer clear of alienware purely because of how much extra cost they will add on just because of the branding. I didn't even look at them much when shopping for a laptop, but as expected the couple I saw as being a decent comparison spec wise were overpriced compared to asus and msi equivalents.

ROGdemigod
01-16-2016, 08:58 AM
I use to have an alienware 17 and now I have G752VT-RH71.

What I miss about my alienware was it was lighter, smaller footprint, bezel wasn't huge, and it had optimus! Because of optimus, I would normally get around 5 hours surfing the web, watching youtube, etc using the intel HD... On Nvidia, I would get around 3-3.5 hours playing games. 5 Hours was real nice, as there were many times I just browsed the web. I miss that. Also, in the BIOS you could choose to just use either the Intel HD, or the Nvidia, essentially disabling optimus if you wanted too. Also, the RGB lighted keyboard was also amazing.

As for this G752 i now have, I hate how its a 17-inch display in an 18.4 inch frame. Its super huge for no reason, and the keyboard is only red. I really hate the battery life on this thing, as just surfing the web I get around 2.5 hours, which is so scary, that I have yet to game on battery, abnd I really hate it doesn't have optimus. I assumed all gaming laptops had optimus. Not this one. It does look a little better than my Alienware to me, because of the brush metal look. I also like the USB-C port.

The only reason I have the G752VT is because I got it for $750 on Craigslist. The guy I bought it from won it at CES as a givaway. Sadly, for me, even at $750, I feel this laptop doesn't bring enough value for me to want to keep it.

But, If I had to buy a laptop costing $1600+ dollar, by far and wide I would go back to my Alienware, and get one with 4k resolution at that, and possibly even touch screen. Asus doesn't offer any of those options in their ROG laptop.

But ya, for me personally, this G752 really blows,even at $750. I could only imagine how I would feel if I paid the $1599 retail price.
Thats my personal opinion. Also, supposedly all G752VT are suppose to come with a 128GB SSD.... Except mine for some reason, the G752VT-RH71, which only came with a 1TB HDD.

Aldaraad
01-16-2016, 10:49 AM
I use to have an alienware 17 and now I have G752VT-RH71.
Also, in the BIOS you could choose to just use either the Intel HD, or the Nvidia, essentially disabling optimus if you wanted too.
I really hate the battery life on this thing, as just surfing the web I get around 2.5 hours, which is so scary, that I have yet to game on battery, abnd I really hate it doesn't have optimus. I assumed all gaming laptops had optimus. Not this one.


I have brought this question up recently, and there was a different inquiry on the topic.

Since we are free to express our opinions, I have to say that having a dedicated GPU on a gaming laptop is the right way to go - especially if a laptop is branded a "gaming" one. Accordingly, it is an excellent thing there is NO Optimus on such gaming machines.

In the three years I've used my old HP dv6 there were rare occasions I needed to use it off my AC adapter. And when I did use it - I never needed to use it more than the battery could handle it. So...I see no problem there. We live in a modern civilization where electricity is available, and if one needs a long-living laptop, there are Acer One type laptops, Ultra laptops of various manufacturers and business laptops which serve the purpose quite well.

Gaming laptop? 4.5 kg? Sure. AC adapter most of the time? Sure. Advanced performance? Sure.

There is a saying in Croatia ... "one can't fart and squeeze at the same time" so ... :)

Corporal
01-16-2016, 11:33 AM
Buy a G751JY, it will save you money, and you still get a GTX 980m. CPU Improvement from 4710 to 6700 is marginal


As for this G752 i now have, I hate how its a 17-inch display in an 18.4 inch frame. Its super huge for no reason, and the keyboard is only red. I really hate the battery life on this thing, as just surfing the web I get around 2.5 hours, which is so scary, that I have yet to game on battery, abnd I really hate it doesn't have optimus.
Asus decided to shrink the battery of G752VT by 30-40%. G752VY still gets a normal 85Wh battery, just like G751JY

Julskey
01-16-2016, 01:02 PM
I have a g752vt. My decision was mainly weighed by cooling and aesthetics. My second choice would be msi gt72 dominator with the gsync. It has 4 m.2 slots. 6 usb ports (4 of them at the left side so no worries for mouse). Other features are about the same. Mssi also comes with a smaller footprint so it's not hard finding a backpack. Just my opinion.

badhand386
01-16-2016, 03:06 PM
I had three of the alienware R2s. I had a serious issue with each machine before I finally landed on the Asus.
Machine one died on a bios update right out of the box.
Machine 2 overheated during dying light and was sold new but was in fact used.
Machine 3 had 3 out of four USB ports prove faulty.

I think you made the right choice.

ROGdemigod
01-17-2016, 01:50 AM
I have brought this question up recently, and there was a different inquiry on the topic.

Since we are free to express our opinions, I have to say that having a dedicated GPU on a gaming laptop is the right way to go - especially if a laptop is branded a "gaming" one. Accordingly, it is an excellent thing there is NO Optimus on such gaming machines.

In the three years I've used my old HP dv6 there were rare occasions I needed to use it off my AC adapter. And when I did use it - I never needed to use it more than the battery could handle it. So...I see no problem there. We live in a modern civilization where electricity is available, and if one needs a long-living laptop, there are Acer One type laptops, Ultra laptops of various manufacturers and business laptops which serve the purpose quite well.

Gaming laptop? 4.5 kg? Sure. AC adapter most of the time? Sure. Advanced performance? Sure.

There is a saying in Croatia ... "one can't fart and squeeze at the same time" so ... :)

Ya, but the Alienware BIOS gave the option to run only the Nvidia, or just the Intel HD, or run both (Optimus). There were times I would haveOptimus, other times I would run only the Nvidia, and other times I would run only the intel HD when I needed max battery life. I am one of those people that love more options, not less.

Sadly, these are gaming "laptops", and considering the G752 is a direct competitor of the Alienware, I find it short on delivering a comparable product compared on just about every front.

dookooo
01-17-2016, 02:46 AM
Thanks all for your replies , it's like 60 for Asus and 40 for Alienware , i found another weird thing in the Alienware , it just accept 16 GB of ram !!! .. and Alienware customer support confirmed that you will be out of warranty if you upgraded to 32GB of ram !!! , that's weird . you can check this reddit Link :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/3uz1r5/ram_upgrade_for_alienware_17_r3/

I am still confused , because i didn't have a chance to try an Alienware before , i know from what i've seen that 3 or 4 years ago Alienware was better than that , but now it's a little disappointing , also Asus is taking a big steady steps in upgrading it's ROG line .

I also found that alot of people who bought an Alienware was complaining about the (180 W PSU ) which will make the GTX 980 laggy in some heavy games , they all stated that there should be (240 W PSU) instead of 180 w .

honestly i didn't find such a problems for G752VY till now , maybe because it's still very new , or because it has no major problems ! .

i am getting mad :) .. i know i am thinking a lot about that but 2400 USD is not a small amount of money :)

thanks .

Aldaraad
01-17-2016, 10:44 AM
I am one of those people that love more options, not less.

More options works great if they work. I support "less" options on a gaming laptop - no small print, I know what I'm buying.

bcasio
01-17-2016, 06:30 PM
i have the alienware laptop thats posted in the link, it is a good machine, but 1 think i dont like about the 4k screen is my gaming apps like steam,
battle net, open very small on the screen and i cant find a cure for that. i was told by geek squad that is normal due to the high resolution (3840x2160).

So on that note, i prefer to run my apps on my g751.
the power supply is in fact a 180w, but i havent noticed any lagging with it yet, but that being said, i havent ran any real heavy games. i can tell you that it does get quite hotter then the asus. the fans on this alienware start to scream after a bit of gaming, and the keyboard and palm rest area get pretty warm. my temp gun showed the area above the keyboard to be around 100 degrees, with the cooling vents to be at 140+. my asus g751 stays cool under load and keyboard and palm rest area quite cool. which i think alienware has always had a heat issue, from what iv read.

dookooo
01-19-2016, 07:47 AM
Hello again ,

Thanks all for your replies , after evaluating both laptops for 6 days , and reading every single review on the internet , i 've come to the conclusion :

about the Alienware :

1- 4K screen is a huge failure right now , it does not support most of the applications , most of games too , even if it supported in some games it will not allow to play smoothly , games will drop sometimes to 20 FPS because the GTX980 can't handle it properly , maybe if you are working on editing videos or similar things you could go with it .

2- 16 GB max rams !!! ,, what a ridiculous decision , they don't offer even 32 GB of ram on their website , although the slots support 32 GB of ram , if you even want to ask which model of ram the laptop support their customer service will answer with (Hey don't add another 16 GB of ram or else you lose the warranty on the ram side , and you may fry your Motherboard ) !!! .. amazing answer .

3-Faulty Wireless card (Killer) which 90% of the people who own Alienware 17 R3 admit that .

4- heating problems !! ,, even the keyboard gets warm !! .

5- benchmark testsVS the old ASUS 751JY was for Asus in every aspect ! . this was the old one , how about the new ?

I think it's time to try Asus again .

Thanks .:D

cuniac
01-19-2016, 06:45 PM
I looked over this a lot myself last month. All the pros and cons here are very true. There was one thing that made me pick the ASUS over the Alienware, one thing that was a deal braker for me, but may not be for others. That problem is Heat.

The Alienware, like 99% of other laptop manufacturs out there has bad venting. Tests have shown that after playing a demanding game for over an hour the temperature on the keyboard for the ASUS G752 only got up to 77.5F, while the Alienware 17in R3 when up to 101F on the keyboard. This can result in sweaty hands that may be uncomfortable to play for extended periods of time

The same can be said for the under part of the lap top. Because all of the heat on the ASUS go right out the rear vents, the bottom stays 83.5F while the Alienware shot up to 112F. So not only is the keyboard uncomfortable to use after awhile, but lets take the work lap out of laptop. Fans on the ASUS are also whisper quiet

I ended up getting the G751JY myself that shows to be slightly hotter than the G752 but still MUCH cooler than the R3

http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/lap...enware-17-2015
http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/asus-g752
http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/asus-g751jy

bcasio
01-19-2016, 11:47 PM
yup pretty much sums it up. i have the aw and the asus.

the asus stays cool and runs perfect, the AW is hot and fans screaming after a bit of hard gaming.

dookooo i hope my pm helped you out on the decision. i think the asus g series will be the way to go espically with a good graphics chip like 980m.

dookooo
01-20-2016, 02:53 AM
Many Thanks Bcasio for your great help , your reply and the other replies really helped me make up my mind and choose wisely , the right choice is Asus for sure .

Thanks everyone :) .

sevymar
01-24-2016, 12:38 PM
back in 2013 i was in a battle to make the decision between the ASUS G750JX or the MSI GT70.
Eventually i decided to go for the ASUS. Best decision ever!

3 weeks ago i decided it was time again to get a new machine (the G750JX sold to friend), this time without thinking about it i bought the new G752VY and it's been almost 2 weeks now and i'm loving it !

I also "forced" my gf to buy the same G752VY. (she upgraded from a MSI GT70, which sounded like a helicopter at times lol). SO far my gf has been very happy with the performance AND design!

The most important reason i went for ASUS is the cooling system and noise. MSI & Alienware are lacking in these.