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hordelover
01-21-2016, 04:27 AM
Today I got my new Laptop (ASUS G752VY-DH78K), system specs are in my profile. Anyway, I did a benchmark with 3DMark and I was very disappointed. For a top-of-the-line gaming laptop with all the best specs, how can I be getting such bad performance?

Here's the test results: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10389101

dookooo
01-21-2016, 04:54 AM
I think maybe because most of the results was from SLI GTX 980M , and your model have just 1 Card , so it make sense and i think your laptop is very good compared with the SLI GTX980 .

Than's my opinion , maybe i am wrong .

JustinThyme
01-21-2016, 04:55 AM
Firstly don't expect much different of other 980m based machines. At this point I don't think the 8GB of VRAM is going to make a hill of beans as its just not being used. Some of these scores are expected, others a bit on the low side. How do you have NVIDIA control panel settings set up? This in itself can make a huge difference in benchmark scores.

Personally I don't pay much attention to those benches. I watch actual performance and tweak settings to suit my preferences. You can tweak it out to maximize 3D mark scores or to meet a happy medium of performance and quality. Fast is t worth a hoot if it looks like crap!

hordelover
01-21-2016, 05:03 AM
Everything is set t defaults. I haven't messed with anything. I would think I could at least see a solid 60FPS on 1080p with no issues.
What can I change in the Nvidia control panel to overclock or get more FPS?

Jlieu
01-21-2016, 05:08 AM
Your unit suspected to be faulty. Please RMA or return it asap.


Your unit should be :
GTX980M 8GBGDDR5 , I7-6820HK

NOT GTX980M 5GB GDDR5, suspecting some memory module is damaged.

hordelover
01-21-2016, 05:15 AM
It was a mis-print. I fixed my signature. thanks.

dookooo
01-21-2016, 05:23 AM
How you can not get 60 FPS !!!! .. on what game exactly !!

JustinThyme
01-21-2016, 05:26 AM
You won't get an overclock out of the control panel but there are a lot of settings. Like unsaid for every tweak to make it faster to lose the quality. Has to be a balance for me. Who wants lightning fast jagged lines with artifacts. You might want to just do a search on setting that up for better scores. One could write a book on all the settings and I'm pretty sure if you look they already have at least 1000 times or more.

Like I said it's not all about a tweaked out 3D Mark score. Too much cash to lay out for for that IMO.

hordelover
01-21-2016, 06:11 AM
Minecraft was going from 3fps to 60fps in seconds but usually stayed low. My last PC (G75VW) would stay consistent at 60+fps

Jlieu
01-21-2016, 06:32 AM
I like your G752 seriously, if i can get this on my country, that will be great! Currently the best i can get G752VY with GTX980M 4GB

Saipher
01-21-2016, 06:34 AM
From my experience, uninstalling GeForce Experience gave about 500 points boost in FireStrike score. Also, have you used Intel XTU to move the CPU core multipliers to max, etc? You could also use MSI Afterburner or GPU Tweak to overclock your GPU core and memory.

With all the above mentioned done, I went from ~8000 to ~9500 in FireStrike.

Edit: I am on G751JY/980M 4GB/4720HQ

Dreamonic
01-21-2016, 07:02 AM
@hordelover

I agree with what Saipher said. It could be software related and or drivers you are using. Your CPU physics score is an indication of it running as it should, despite it being lower than other 6820HK's.

I ran everything on my G751JY (stock, just for these benches) and that's what I'm basing it off.

Mine: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10390539
(http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10390539)
VS

Yours: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10389101 (http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10389101)

liviutatarus
01-21-2016, 02:16 PM
Mine results, default all + NF Tools (Thanks Nabil!)
http://www.3dmark.com/results

JustinThyme
01-22-2016, 02:14 AM
Mine results, default all + NF Tools (Thanks Nabil!)
http://www.3dmark.com/results

I tried that and it dropped my scores HORRENDOUSLY. Went from no tweaks, no OC firestrike score of 8600 to 3100 after NF tools!

I wouldn't pay much attention either way to anything other than firestrike and maybe skydiver. The rest are for far lesser graphics in phones and i dont thing are working correctly with this platform or just not driving them leaving an idle state as Im getting low scores in those as well. It doesnt make sense to easily get 9500-10000 in firestrike then 20,000 in ice storm. Ive seen others across multiple platforms experiencing the same phenomena.

Your firestrike score is in line with a 980M right out of the box with nothing changed. As mentioned just uninstall geoforce experience then open Nvidia control panel and put the slider on the very first setting to the left for performance and with no other changes you should break 9000 or be very close to it.

JustinThyme
01-22-2016, 03:47 AM
My Firestrike after moving the slider to performance in control panel and a mild OC

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10403480

uprisetv
01-22-2016, 04:04 AM
I was going to make a similar post! I got mine today and am very under whelmed. It took 24 minutes to render 6 minutes of 1080p video. No special effects. So far not that much better than my 10 year old dell precision m65. Ridiculous. Anyone know how to overclock? Is it in settings? Or do we have to install afterburner etc. Any thoughts on how to tweak it to make it faster would be great. I'm ready to return it otherwise.

hordelover
01-22-2016, 05:16 AM
uprisetv what model do you have? Can you run 3DMark in Steam and post your results here so we can compare them? Thanks. I've been on a lot of calls with Asus, Nvidia and HID Evolution to figure out what's going on here. I can't get 30 fps in assassins creed syndicate on medium mode! WTF!?

uprisetv
01-22-2016, 05:43 AM
I've got the Asus G752VY DH78K - top pf the line specs for any box. so I'm very surprised about its low performance. I did a quick unboxing vid for those interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GxSv86QBwE

As you can see this was a quick super low quality vid, and it too a LONG time for this machine to render. Very weird. I also tested some audio files on daw software. same thing. the performance is no better than a 10 year old machine with 4g of ram. there must be something in the settings we're missing. it is a mystery as to why these specs would be so slow.

MartinSykes
01-22-2016, 07:48 AM
I've had the same issue on my GL552JX with a GTX950M but I found the following cause and solution:

Cause: The nvidia output isn't sent straight to the laptop screen, it gets copied to the Intel HD buffer which is hard-wired to the screen. On the basic tests like Ice Storm, the nvidia is so fast that the Intel can't keep up which drags the score down. My Ice storm score was also initially around 27k

Solution 1. Go in to the Intel HD control panel and turn off all of the optimisations so it is doing nothing more than passing through the nvidia output. Doing this, my fps jumped from about 120 to 300 and the Ice Storm score jumped to about 55k
Solution 2. Use an external monitor so that the Nvidia can output direct. Doing this, my fps jumped to about 450 and the score jumped to more than 70k
Solution 3. External monitor plus a bit of overclocking took my fps to 500+ and the score to 80595. http://www.3dmark.com/is/3535022. The only better scores than mine with the same card have more memory or are still running Windows 8.1 (I'm on Windows 10)

On 3dMark, if you just run all tests then it averages them all somehow so even though the firesrike score in the OP was pretty good (better than an average gaming laptop), the crippled ice storm score and also to a lesser extent the crippled cloudgate score drag the average down

Additional Note: I noticed that the text in a lot of windows was initially sharp but then becoming blurry. Turning off the morphological anti-aliasing in the Intel HD control panel fixed this as well.

hordelover
01-22-2016, 09:48 AM
Here's my unboxing video. Frame rate at 10 Minutes in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcaQufNsnAg

JasenDoe
01-22-2016, 10:00 AM
I don't know what you guys are talking about really...
This is the link to the review of a G752VY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z35anO2Dwo

Go to the time 13:58....look at firestrike score.... your laptop is fine.

This is a G752VY, it's not the SAME model as yours since this is a RH71 version you have DH version - I think it's different proc or something but you both have the 980M, and those extra 4 gigs of ram on your 980M will not do anything unless you game on high resolutions ( but this card is still to weak for real 4k - unless you wanna play on 30 fps ).

Compare your temperatures and look at other scores he has done in the video. You should always check a YouTube review before you think something isn't giving you scores that you want.

I have a G751JY with a 980M and 4gigs of ram on it, and a I7-4860HQ. ( I don't OC anything because of the temperatures on the CPU, but i have 8650 score on firestrike with stock setting - only NBFC fan profile to lower the temps ).
I did try to OC only the graphics card with MSI afterburner and got above 9500, but you don't wanna have that temperatures, OC in like 2 years when you will need those frames.
The G751JY has around 8500 score on firestrike so it outperforms the G752VY ! ! ! - on every review I have seen on web sites and YouTube it's always around 8200-8300.
But your laptop has much cooler temperatures (thanx to skylake and low TDP) but skylake has some bug when running prime95 and other high tasks on CPU, so I guess on those last two benchmarks in firestrike (the octopuses one and the final scene) you have very low FPS and there is where the G751JY outperforms your laptop.

So there is a difference of around +200 points for in G751JY, but there will a lot of drivers that will make skylake run smoothly and better over time but you won't outperform the G751JY.

TL;DR - Your scores seem normal if you check the review I posted.
G751JY > G752VY , except the temperatures :(

But those 200-300 points isn't that much of a difference, I bet you loose all those points in that two last scenes in firestrike, but no game is that intensive on CPU as those two last scenes in firestrike so you won't see a difference in FPS during gaming. Maybe 1 frame difference. I would rather have almost 10 degrees lower temps.

dookooo
01-22-2016, 12:13 PM
Guys , watch this Assassin Creed Syndicate video , this is for ( MSI GT72S Dominator Pro G ) with GTX 980M and Intel Core i7-6820HK :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gOILAblDYA

Also 32 to 33 FPS on High settings , after searching i found that you can't play this game with 60 FPS on a GTX980M , you can reach 60 FPS with a Desktop and a GTX 980 Desktop card . the problem is the game itself not the Machines .

you can check the game benchmarks on notebooks :

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Assassin-s-Creed-Syndicate-Notebook-Benchmarks.154621.0.html

beststevie
01-22-2016, 01:14 PM
Hi,

in some tests it's really slow, like skydiver. I had 20000 pts with G751JT 970M. I got the new Acer Predator G9 now, 980M, 4GB.
I loose 500pts in firestrike if Shoadowplay enabled. And if Battery goes under 30% and is charging, it looses about 10% of it's performance..

NitroX
01-22-2016, 02:25 PM
While benchmarking disable G-Sync, V-Sync and all Sync things. And disable Shadowplay cause it might also affect your score. You should get around 8500pts with default GPU settings (give or take 50pts). Anything less means either driver issues or that something is limiting the processing power (like g-sync). See if this helps you.

PS: I didn't have the time to read all comments over here. Srry!

JasenDoe
01-22-2016, 04:07 PM
All in all, your results are normal

uprisetv
01-22-2016, 04:18 PM
SO all this evidence might be suggesting that this is about as good as it gets. And probably from any machine. So the next question, is this a siginificant enough jump from the performance of a $700 machine?

On another note, i did notice that with each successive restart the machine started to get faster. Could be my imagination, but it is starting to get better. I'd like to compare it side by side with a machine with lower specs though to see if we're getting $3k more in value. (well, to be fair the ROG's amazing ability to keep cool and quiet almost all the time is worth something. But if the performance is just as good as a 16gb ram machine with a not so fancy cpu nor gpu I' like to know).

JustinThyme
01-22-2016, 05:07 PM
Just an FYI
My G752VY that will NEVER beat the 8500 of the G751JY stock doing just that, topping 8500 simply by moving a slider to performance and thinning down on all the background apps that were running, still stock clocks etc. Can probably get it higher by going bare bones and shutting down unnecessary services.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10410045


Dont know of a $700 machine that has a 980M but here is the results of one with a 965M thats in the $1300 range, I consider it quite a jump.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5751582

JasenDoe
01-23-2016, 12:38 PM
Just an FYI
My G752VY that will NEVER beat the 8500 of the G751JY stock doing just that, topping 8500 simply by moving a slider to performance and thinning down on all the background apps that were running, still stock clocks etc. Can probably get it higher by going bare bones and shutting down unnecessary services.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10410045


Dont know of a $700 machine that has a 980M but here is the results of one with a 965M thats in the $1300 range, I consider it quite a jump.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5751582

Well if I play around with my G751JY with nvidia control panel I can get around 8700+ (just the performance instead of quality) and single display performance. Full stock without touching anything it is always above 8600.
I'm not touching anything in intel XTU or MSI afterburner, nothing !

So yes G752VY won't beat the G751JY, but the difference is ignorable really. As I said I would rather have 8300+ score and those temperatures because of the skylake proc.

JustinThyme
01-23-2016, 05:20 PM
Well if I play around with my G751JY with nvidia control panel I can get around 8700+ (just the performance instead of quality) and single display performance. Full stock without touching anything it is always above 8600.
I'm not touching anything in intel XTU or MSI afterburner, nothing !

So yes G752VY won't beat the G751JY, but the difference is ignorable really. As I said I would rather have 8300+ score and those temperatures because of the skylake proc.

Make up your mind already. Is it 8650, 8500 or 8600 or 8700?

3Dmark links and screen shots or it didn't happen. I can say I topped 10K all day without changing anything. Im from Missouri, the show me state.
The age of my eyes must be deceiving me because I cant see your links.

Im not saying the performace of the VY any is better, equal if anything. My 3D mark link shows score and stock clocks with nothing but moving a slider.

JasenDoe
01-23-2016, 10:57 PM
Make up your mind already. Is it 8650, 8500 or 8600 or 8700?

3Dmark links and screen shots or it didn't happen. I can say I topped 10K all day without changing anything. Im from Missouri, the show me state.
The age of my eyes must be deceiving me because I cant see your links.

Im not saying the performace of the VY any is better, equal if anything. My 3D mark link shows score and stock clocks with nothing but moving a slider.

Well if you read carefully you will see I said I am always above 8600, max 8650 with stock settings and default control panel from nvidia. Here is the link of a test I did just now. Stock clocks as you can see on the site.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10433499

And here is a test where I put single display performance and high performance on control panel in nvidia.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10433622

Most of the time it's around 8700, also base clocks as you can see if you scroll down on the site.

As I said the difference is really small, but the temperatures are much better on the G752, but the price is also higher.
Seems your 980M has 1 MHz more then mine, but has lower graphics score, but better physics score from your procesor.
Also nice you have 32 gigs of DDR4 ram with nice speed, mine is only 1600 :(
Seems it doesn't change the performance almost at all.
No need to be rude bro.

JustinThyme
01-24-2016, 01:20 PM
No need to go to name calling Bro. Nothing I posted was unreasonable. If you have frequented any tech forum you will know that BS is the most likely explanation when there are no screen shots or Benchmark links. Rude IMO is posting in a thread about G752VY owner saying he is having performance issues saying.........
"The G751JY has around 8500 score on firestrike so it outperforms the G752VY ! ! ! "So there is a difference of around +200 points for in G751JY, but there will a lot of drivers that will make skylake run smoothly and better over time but you won't outperform the G751JY." "those 200-300 points isn't that much of a difference"
What 200-300 points? Is this common core math?

Thanks for your benchmarks, that's all I really wanted.

Your first comment was the 751 scores round 8500 so it outperforms the 752. I've surpassed the 8500, sitting right now at just under 8600 and confident I can get it in the 8700 range on stock clocks, even though it isn't capable of coming within 200-300 points of the 751.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10436567

JasenDoe
01-25-2016, 09:39 AM
Dude, you are the one that went all American on my ass.
I'm from some state bla bla, the SHOW ME state...I laughed my ass so hard there...so please....
I'm from south east Europe and let me tell you one thing....Americans don't impress me. You think Texas is badass...
When you vomit out so much 'Murica in one post...I can't help but bury you in the hole you dug yourself into.

And where is this name calling you are talking about? The "bro" part?
Man what doesn't offend people these days...I can't even...
It seems the "that offends me" generation is taking its toll on the internet....Stop being insulted by everything...it wont' get you far in life bro. (yes...there I said it again)
________________________________________________

Yes I came to this post because people are complaining about 8300+ performance on G752VY and everyone was saying it's this it's that...no...it's NORMAL.
Yes you maybe have like extra 50 points because you have 32 gigs of ram, and maybe another 50 points if you are running 3D mark on your beast 512 gig SSD that I can see.

But MOST of the reviews on YouTube and PC selling web sites give the G752 around 8400 score on firestrike.
So I came here to say it is normal...

You got one of the better G752 because most of them have problems going above 8400.
There is solid evidence on the internet that the 752VY has scores around 8400 and the G751JY has around 8600. So that is what I call a 200 difference.
Also my laptop is OVER A YEAR old now, and I never did a clean install with DDU of the graphics driver or new windows, and a lot of drivers have been changed on this laptop. So I bet if I do a clean install of the graphics drivers it would be around 8700 without touching the control panel...


There is a thing called average... it goes like this...from 1000x G752VY the average is below 8400...and average from 1000x G751JY is above 8500. That means aprox. 8550-8350=200 points. Yes that is called math, I hope it didn't sound rude as when you were saying it.
Tho I have proved that a well maintained G751JY should be above 8600 with everything on stock...well over 8600, more like 8650, but I won't take my laptop in to account because it's a bit better than average (that is why I said we are taking standard values of the series).

If you read my post again it was more then normal and fair, I said I would prefer to have the 752VY because of the temperatures, and 200 points is around 1 frame. I said it will probably get better during the first few months anyway so I expect the gap to close at around 100 points max. You should account around 20-30 points in to marginal error also, and depends on how well the person using the laptop is filling it with crap (bloatware, and windows 10 usless programs that keep running in the background)

Get that stick out of your ass please if you want to talk to me again.

I came here to say that I would PREFER the G752, and that the score is normal, but the temps are more then great.
Also performance depends based on different procs, and skylake is getting patched non stop. So I would expect to see an increase. Get rid of the junk software on windows 10, clean your registry etc... It's killing your laptop (to the guys below 8400).

JustinThyme
01-25-2016, 03:40 PM
54997

JasenDoe
01-25-2016, 06:30 PM
Nice comeback man, tell me how does it feel to get rekt on your own language?
Btw I was confused by your "core math" statement, I find it disturbing you don't know it's called BASIC math...that seems like lack of knowledge of math and grammar of your native language.

MrRuckus
01-25-2016, 07:14 PM
Its sad when the ROG forums are being overrun with garbage like this. Come on guys. Both the G751/G752 are awesome laptops. No need to bash each other over 200 points in 3DMark. :|

Back on topic, I was debating the DH78K but couldn't justify the price difference. It also wasn't available at the time I purchased the DH72. Once I learned the screen was the same as the DH72, I wasn't seeing enough difference to justify the price (initially there was talk of a 4k screen in the DH78K as well, which turned out to be false). I have friends with the MSI/Gigabyte 8GB 980's and there's no real difference in todays games, especially at 1080p. Hard drive and ram can be upgraded later if need be. At least Asus was nice enough to use two 16GB sticks so upgrading RAM to 64GB would be easier then say four 8GB sticks.

To the OP: You gotta do a little research. You can OC your processor which a lot of us cannot do since you have the "6700HK", but you'll have to keep your temps in check. It looks like the 980M in the G752 starts to throttle past 75C, which is a little disappointing. My old G750 with the 780M could go to 100C before it throttled. But in any case, a processor overclock is probably going to do little for you compared to a GPU overclock. You just have to find that bleeding edge before you start to throttle and keep the CPU/GPU at those clocks. Good luck & nice laptop!

JustinThyme
01-26-2016, 01:46 AM
Nice comeback man, tell me how does it feel to get rekt on your own language?
Btw I was confused by your "core math" statement, I find it disturbing you don't know it's called BASIC math...that seems like lack of knowledge of math and grammar of your native language.


Just as I thought, that's really all its about to you isn't it? Are you proud of yourself that you have mastered common core math? Come back for a debate when you have acheived grammar school basics in command of syntax.


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Its sad when the ROG forums are being overrun with garbage like this. Come on guys. Both the G751/G752 are awesome laptops. No need to bash each other over 200 points in 3DMark. :|

Back on topic, I was debating the DH78K but couldn't justify the price difference. It also wasn't available at the time I purchased the DH72. Once I learned the screen was the same as the DH72, I wasn't seeing enough difference to justify the price (initially there was talk of a 4k screen in the DH78K as well, which turned out to be false). I have friends with the MSI/Gigabyte 8GB 980's and there's no real difference in todays games, especially at 1080p. Hard drive and ram can be upgraded later if need be. At least Asus was nice enough to use two 16GB sticks so upgrading RAM to 64GB would be easier then say four 8GB sticks.

To the OP: You gotta do a little research. You can OC your processor which a lot of us cannot do since you have the "6700HK", but you'll have to keep your temps in check. It looks like the 980M in the G752 starts to throttle past 75C, which is a little disappointing. My old G750 with the 780M could go to 100C before it throttled. But in any case, a processor overclock is probably going to do little for you compared to a GPU overclock. You just have to find that bleeding edge before you start to throttle and keep the CPU/GPU at those clocks. Good luck & nice laptop!

I agree and bought the DH72 for very much the same reason.

JasenDoe
01-26-2016, 09:00 AM
I know 4 languages, and English is one of them, but not my main language. If you count Serbian (+Montenegro), Bosnian and Croatian a different language then I talk 6 languages.
And still I mopped the floor with your tongue. Seems you know only how to post pictures when you have nothing to say and getting stomped on.
You are a spoiled rich American, and I am glad you got rekt in a debate. Imagine only if we could debate on my native language...dam...

To the other poster, that is all I was saying, 200 points isn't a big difference (and there is evidence that there is an aprox. 200 points difference, but this guy has a hard time counting anything above his fingers limit) and the temperatures are a big difference which is more important.
The price between the 751 and 752 is also a big difference, at least here where I live. I said at least 5 times what I prefer and what is better.

But this kid only saw that I said 751 > 752 in score and sh!t hit the fan in his head... well his head is full of sh!t anyway that's why it non stop hitting the fan and making him spill out sh!t from all the holes on his face... If you need one more hole in your head I can help you with that...

Edweird
01-26-2016, 09:57 AM
All of the above seems excessively unnecessary.

The scores this G752 got are veeeery slightly higher than my G751, which I would think is odd, considering I'm running stock settings on a 4710/GTX980/16GB-1600 machine with just a 250GB 850 EVO in it. Still, within reasonable boundaries. The G752 isn't a major upgrade over the G751 performance-wise...temps are much more important imo, and as was stated before.

What is weird is the supposedly much better CPU and DDR4 not getting you much more performance.

JustinThyme
01-26-2016, 02:42 PM
All of the above seems excessively unnecessary.

The scores this G752 got are veeeery slightly higher than my G751, which I would think is odd, considering I'm running stock settings on a 4710/GTX980/16GB-1600 machine with just a 250GB 850 EVO in it. Still, within reasonable boundaries. The G752 isn't a major upgrade over the G751 performance-wise...temps are much more important imo, and as was stated before.

What is weird is the supposedly much better CPU and DDR4 not getting you much more performance.

Thank you!

I couldn't agree more. . So far the only advantage noted on the new platform is lower power consumption. the removal of the 32GB RAM limit (if that means anything to you) and a fresh new look. Comparing the two machines some test a little higher and some test lower but always within a small margin and highly dependent on exactly who is doing the testing.

MR Doe seems to be more interested in discrediting other peoples machines and personal attacks to inflate his own ego, It is truly sad to see when someone has to revert to such tactics in an effort to feel better about themselves. Spoiled Rich American? Is that what you think about people from different nations or is this just your hatred for all Americans? I do OK for myself these days. I grew up in a family with 6 kids on the salary of a US Marine which at least Americans will be able to deduce that we were dirt poor. My hand me down clothes were recycled hand me downs with pants having knee patches 3 deep and the ankles more like capri pants. Meat was a once a week treat. Lots or rice and starches though. Two masters degrees I achieved were all from hard work, nothing was given to me, ever. I teach my children the same values, hard work and accountability. So if someone working their backside off for years to climb out of poverty and teaches their children to excel on their own merit and contribute to society instead of being a burden on it is what is considered as a spoiled rich american...That makes me one of the most spoiled rich Americans in existence today and I consider it a compliment.

Thank you Mr Doe for calling me a kid! First time in better than 40 years I have heard that one! You did manage a compliment in your never ending rambling of sophomoric insults. You make assumptions on things you know nothing about which only proves your evident lack of character. Now that I know where you live that explains your hostilities, I would be hostile too. Name calling is not debate, its childish behavior that is expected on the playground in schools, please keep your behavior there. Pictures truly are worth 1000 words. I will not be responding to you further unless you decide to approach this in an adult fashion.

Edweird
01-26-2016, 04:56 PM
By "all of the above", I meant the entire conversation. :)

I don't mind a good show but it's probably best to just keep it to PMs, out of sight of other forum users, at least in my opinion. It's nice to be proud of your nationality and one's values - I am, after all, an Eastern European, too. I'm not particularly proud of my nationality in the sense that the nation is not great ... but I love my country all the same. Don't think it's alright to lean on being proud of something to the point it might annoy other people, but bashing on others based on prejudice and for being from N country is even worse. So there's my irrelevant opinion.

Anyways. Yeah, has looks, has new tech in it - but it comes as no surprise that the performance isn't leaps better.
Technology has started to run into all sorts of walls - clearly evidenced by Intel's past few generations of CPUs where nothing substantial has changed, save for power/temps savings and very marginal other gains. 16GB of DDR2 is still gonna be better than 2GB of DDR4, I think.

Sanctrum
01-26-2016, 07:54 PM
Ok, my few cents.
Mine results are here http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10474466 score 8499
Although I have G751JY and in fact one of the cheapest JY versions (just GTX 980m 4GB, PC 8GB RAM and 1TB HDD drive - no any SSD)... and do not ask me why I am getting 137006 score (7.5 x better than you) at Ice Storm 1.2 as I do not know.
P.S. I also have changed display panel refresh rate from 60Hz to 100Hz (I do not have G-Sync available) and NF tools 3.2 installed. However I did not tested what are the results without NF tools.

EDIT:
Now - I have uninstalled NF tools... and upgraded the drivers to 361.75 (the previous uninstalled with DDU). Set agan 100Hz... (did NOT install NF tools) - and the result is: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10506050 better at each category then the previous one... overall score 8647

uprisetv
01-26-2016, 11:12 PM
I tested it out with actual day to day applications not 3d mark. But the results are not good :(. tested my G752 to see how much faster it would render video from sony vegas 13 compared to my 6 year old desktop. With the G752 specs it should be faster than a 6 year old Dell. But it's not really.


DELL Studio XPS 8000 from 2010 (i7 2.8 GHz 8GB of RAM GeForce GTS 240)

SUNP0023.mov rendered to Sony mp4 took 22 min for 6:40 file

MainConcept mp4 10 min for 6:40 file

1280x720 7:41 Mainconcept 16:25 Sony mp4

720x480 [2:15 minute file] 1:30 Mainconcept 1:51 Sony mp4


Ableton Benchmark.wav 1 second per % point - 100 seconds.


ASUS - the new G752 with 64gb of RAM i7 6820HK (2.70 GHz) turbo'd up to 3.2 with GTX 980M with 8GB GDDR5 )

SUNP0023.mov rendered to Sony mp4 9 min for 6:40 file

MainConcept mp4 16:30 min for 6:40 file

1280x720 9:41 Mainconcept 5:45 Sony mp4

720x480 [2:15 minute file] 2:15 Mainconcept 1:41 Sony mp4


Ableton Benchmark.wav 1 second per 4% point - 25 seconds.


Other than audio processing in ableton, if these #s are correct than the ROG G752 is no more powerful than any $500 laptop out there today. Thoughts?

uprisetv
01-27-2016, 01:05 AM
so frustrating. I can't figure out why this laptop performs no better than one a third its price. Seriously! All that CPU GPU and RAM power amounts to not much? That can't be.

xeromist
01-27-2016, 03:35 AM
You are comparing a laptop to a desktop. Even operating at the same clock speed mobile parts are much weaker than desktop parts. They are designed for low power and heat. Also, is the turbo boost even kicking in? It might be processing at 2.7. And, you may have chosen a benchmark that is not well optimized for your hardware. Not all benchmarks are created equal.

uprisetv
01-27-2016, 06:24 AM
You are comparing a laptop to a desktop. Even operating at the same clock speed mobile parts are much weaker than desktop parts. They are designed for low power and heat. Also, is the turbo boost even kicking in? It might be processing at 2.7. And, you may have chosen a benchmark that is not well optimized for your hardware. Not all benchmarks are created equal.

Hmmm good point. It's an old desktop though. Just wondering if I overspent $3500 for something a $700 laptop might be able to do. But definitely do let me know if that notion is crazy and I'm out of my mind!!

P.S. can I force turbo boost to kick in when it's not (within its own settings/without using XTU)?

xeromist
01-27-2016, 10:42 PM
Hmmm good point. It's an old desktop though. Just wondering if I overspent $3500 for something a $700 laptop might be able to do. But definitely do let me know if that notion is crazy and I'm out of my mind!!

P.S. can I force turbo boost to kick in when it's not (within its own settings/without using XTU)?

If you are using productivity applications that aren't GPU accelerated then a gaming laptop is going to be overkill. A lot of the cost in a gaming laptop is for the GPU and everything that supports that GPU (engineering, power, cooling, etc). There are business machines available with similar CPU performance so the up-sell is almost entirely graphics performance.

If you do in fact use it for gaming as well then you won't find a huge price discrepancy between machines of similar gaming performance. I did manage to get a "scratch & dent" gaming laptop from another manufacturer for not much more than $700 but it was used and a generation old. If I wanted a similarly spec'd machine brand new it would have been much more expensive.

Regarding turbo boost, it's an automatic intelligent function. The simple example is for single-threaded tasks where the rest of the CPU is unused the CPU can overclock since all of the cores together are using less power and generating less heat. If all of the cores are being used then it won't boost because their collective power and heat is close to the CPU's ceiling. Actual thresholds and boost amounts are based on power and TDP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Turbo_Boost

The easiest way to ensure that your CPU uses maximum boost is to limit background processes taking CPU cycles and to keep the CPU cool.

JustinThyme
02-05-2016, 09:27 PM
OK, just an update.
This is from a new G752VY DH72.
My first one got sent in on an exchange because the VBIOS had issues after farting around with it.

Just finished getting everything installed, did not update BIOS, this is version 206. Also did not Update VBIOS with the newer version on the support page. Out of the box, lastest Nvidia drivers fro last week with slider to performance. Nothing else tweaked out. Havent gone though the services and processes yet. Last machine was in the 8300 range out of the box for firestrike and tanked the rest with icestorm being pretty horrendous. I figured it just wasn't getting the GPU out of idle. Big difference in the score, no OC or driver tweaks.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10627274

MrRuckus
02-05-2016, 11:15 PM
Have you checked your settings? It looks like Sony Vegas 13 does support GPU acceleration, you may have to turn it on manually?

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/gpu_power_in_vegas_pro_11

EDIT: Also your scores are different by a large margin, showing the Asus is far superior:

DELL: SUNP0023.mov rendered to Sony mp4 took 22 min for 6:40 file
ASUS: SUNP0023.mov rendered to Sony mp4 9 min for 6:40 file

DELL: 1280x720 7:41 Mainconcept 16:25 Sony mp4
ASUS: 1280x720 9:41 Mainconcept 5:45 Sony mp4

DELL: Ableton Benchmark.wav 1 second per % point - 100 seconds.
ASUS: Ableton Benchmark.wav 1 second per 4% point - 25 seconds.

The other two don't show any improvement, but I don't know how those are ran. I have never ran Sony Vegas before, but just from your own simple time benchmarks, I see a huge improvement from the Dell to the Asus. Some of those times are cut down by 75%. This is larger then I would expect when you are going from an i7 to an i7, even with a couple generations difference. I would say there is definitely a big difference. Something that took you 22mins before, now takes you 9mins, and something that used to take 16mins, now takes 5-6mins. If you were to render something larger, the difference would just be magnified that much more. I definitely see an improvement. A bigger one that I would expect anyway. That XPS is no slouch if it is also an i7.

I would definitely make sure GPU acceleration is enabled. A 980m should be able to walk circles around a GTS 240.

a-e-m-9
11-22-2017, 09:17 PM
Same issue but worse !! I I have G752VY bought it from pro-star. My laptop scores are so bad !
NOTE* that my laptop has Gtx980m 4g and Intel core i7 6700HQ !!

Firestrike 3d Benchmark : 7,567 !!

Graphic score : 8.532

and Physics score : 8.966

That's so ridiculously low compare to other GTX980M laptops

I honestly don't recommend this G752vy to anyone.

I paid 2300$ For this. such a disappointment !! *</3*