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Edweird
02-05-2016, 09:26 PM
Hey, guys.

So in the i7-4720HQ thread >here< (https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?82661-max-multi-on-4720) Antoine supposedly came across something interesting.
All I had to do was install XTU 6.0.2.8 (which had to be done manually, since XTU itself didn't recognize the new version) and voila. 3.5 > 3.7GHz. Haven't done any benchmarks yet, but there you have it.

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Previously, this wasn't possible with firmware over version 202, though I have not tested older versions of XTU for it...since, apparently, this version bypasses whatever changes ASUS might have made. Thanks, Intel?
No troubles so far with it ... an extra 100MHz is an extra 100MHz. Dunno what changed.
I imagine this would work for all G751s. Have a go I guess, not much to lose.
No problems with Watchdog, either. Running firmware ver. 207 and Win10. warryabel thinks it won't work on Win8?

warryabel
02-05-2016, 09:39 PM
Hey, guys.

So in the i7-4720HQ thread >here< (https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?82661-max-multi-on-4720) Antoine supposedly came across something interesting.
All I had to do was install XTU 6.0.2.8 (which had to be done manually, since XTU itself didn't recognize the new version) and voila. 3.5 > 3.7GHz. Haven't done any benchmarks yet, but there you have it.

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Previously, this wasn't possible with firmware over version 202, though I have not tested older versions of XTU for it...since, apparently, this version bypasses whatever changes ASUS might have made. Thanks, Intel?
No troubles so far with it ... an extra 100MHz is an extra 100MHz. Dunno what changed.
I imagine this would work for all G751s. Have a go I guess, not much to lose.
No problems with Watchdog, either. Running firmware ver. 207.

running 211 installed today xtu 6.0.2.8 can not raise multi to 38x on win8.1

Edweird
02-05-2016, 09:44 PM
I should say that I installed 6.0.2.8 over previous version while it was still running and it gave me an error saying install can't be completed, restart is needed ... didn't look like normal restart prompt, had an error code for it. Restarted and there it was...

This CPU is a 4710, yours must be a 4720, then.

warryabel
02-05-2016, 09:47 PM
i think the point is win 8.1/10 have uninstalled newest 6.0.2.8 reboot-installed asus orginal xtu...and forced installation over asus orginal xtu! without reboot cant see 38x on win8.1....i should be lucky had my rma back...lol
ok last try was fine...the only thing was a last reboot after i installed over...now my watchdog is not present but i have max multi 38 unlocked veryfied by throttlewatch!
thx for work...but how get i wdt back? the funny is xtu is useless now...if i open it the multi goes down to37x and in xtu is showed max.37 but
when xtu is closed i can raise multi to 38x an the clocks goes above 3,7ghz???? upload of picture in forum failed...no plan why

andreacos92
02-06-2016, 12:32 PM
Do you remember what version you had before updating to 6.0.2.8?

Here there are all the version of XTU.. but if I try updating from a previous version to the latest, it request to uninstall the old version and then install the latest.. I have i7-4710 and w8.1 with 211 Bios.
http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=150700

warryabel
02-06-2016, 12:39 PM
1.uninstall previous...2. reboot and install orginasl asus xtu from support folder and reboot 3.install newest 6.0.2.8 over orginal and then in my case i must make reboot! 4. raise multi in throttlewatch on max and set all performance settings to high! but when you open xtu see your max.multi goes down and when close xtu it goes up....?
running fine on 4720 with 3794mhz

warryabel
02-06-2016, 12:46 PM
http://www2.pic-upload.de/thumb/29656286/hwinfo.png (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29656286/hwinfo.png.html)

http://www2.pic-upload.de/thumb/29656294/asus.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29656294/asus.jpg.html)

andreacos92
02-06-2016, 12:50 PM
I'll give it a try.. but I have no Support folder (maybe I deleted it :confused: )

On Asus download page I found only Intel CPPC and Intel Management Engine, but no Intel XTU.

antoine52200
02-06-2016, 01:16 PM
Hey, guys.

So in the i7-4720HQ thread >here< (https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?82661-max-multi-on-4720) Antoine supposedly came across something interesting.
All I had to do was install XTU 6.0.2.8 (which had to be done manually, since XTU itself didn't recognize the new version) and voila. 3.5 > 3.7GHz. Haven't done any benchmarks yet, but there you have it.

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Previously, this wasn't possible with firmware over version 202, though I have not tested older versions of XTU for it...since, apparently, this version bypasses whatever changes ASUS might have made. Thanks, Intel?
No troubles so far with it ... an extra 100MHz is an extra 100MHz. Dunno what changed.
I imagine this would work for all G751s. Have a go I guess, not much to lose.
No problems with Watchdog, either. Running firmware ver. 207 and Win10. warryabel thinks it won't work on Win8?

Still the same issue is to get WDT working again, because if you don't really know how far you can go, you gonna brick your laptop..

I'm gonna try again installing it your way, but everytime i did, it didn't work or it did but didn't load the overclock on boot, i had to load profile at every boot..

I managed to get it to load profile at every boot but, WDT is pissing me off, and a MUST have when overclocking laptop CPUs

antoine52200
02-06-2016, 02:59 PM
Everything is stable, and temps are ok, i get 79-80C during XTU benchmark (a 806 score) and 74C max after 2 hours of XTU CPU stress test

Still WDT missing is really ennoying!! Edweird you have it present under the system information tab ? Because i have it in system32 folder but not in XTU and not working..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdt7scmkam5yc0p/Capture1.PNG?dl=0

warryabel
02-06-2016, 03:07 PM
Still the same issue is to get WDT working again, because if you don't really know how far you can go, you gonna brick your laptop..

I'm gonna try again installing it your way, but everytime i did, it didn't work or it did but didn't load the overclock on boot, i had to load profile at every boot..

I managed to get it to load profile at every boot but, WDT is pissing me off, and a MUST have when overclocking laptop CPUs
what does wdt? i dont mess with ram timings or bclk the other stuff is unrelated to wdt i think

warryabel
02-06-2016, 03:08 PM
Everything is stable, and temps are ok, i get 79-80C during XTU benchmark (a 806 score) and 74C max after 2 hours of XTU CPU stress test

Still WDT missing is really ennoying!! Edweird you have it present under the system information tab ? Because i have it in system32 folder but not in XTU and not working..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdt7scmkam5yc0p/Capture1.PNG?dl=0
your rams run above 1600?

warryabel
02-06-2016, 03:13 PM
Everything is stable, and temps are ok, i get 79-80C during XTU benchmark (a 806 score) and 74C max after 2 hours of XTU CPU stress test

Still WDT missing is really ennoying!! Edweird you have it present under the system information tab ? Because i have it in system32 folder but not in XTU and not working..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdt7scmkam5yc0p/Capture1.PNG?dl=0

you play with the bclk i see....in the latest version is no bclk for haswell changing does not affect the busspeed look in you cpuz on picture! in this case wdt can help you reset the bclk but when this feature is no present he had nothing to do.lol the watchdog wuff

antoine52200
02-06-2016, 03:24 PM
yes i changed somes timings on the ram to 9,9,10,28

Yes bclk is working, at default 100mhz my bus speed is 99.76 i only play a little to go to 99.8, 99.9. right now i'm at 99.94mhz

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6cl6txyyltkcdnn/Capture3.PNG?dl=0

Edweird
02-06-2016, 04:03 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Ur4Yce5.png

antoine52200
02-06-2016, 04:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Ur4Yce5.png


Thanks,

I'm gonna do it all again from beginning and all, but somehow i don't have it.. i don't really need it right now but i want everything right!

fidelity101
02-07-2016, 12:25 AM
I can only go to 36x on my 4710 so I'm not sure what I'm missing. Firmware version 211 on my Asus G751JY. XTU latest version .28.

andreacos92
02-07-2016, 12:44 AM
I can only go to 36x on my 4710 so I'm not sure what I'm missing. Firmware version 211 on my Asus G751JY. XTU latest version .28.

Me too.. I tried different Bios and I tried updating to 6.0.2.8 from many previous versions, but no way to unlock values.

Honestly, I want to "trick" XTU not only for the 37x multiplier, but for exceeding the 50/60 W TDP, because in benchmarks/stress tests it limits the CPU speed.

Are you on W 8.1 too?

warryabel
02-07-2016, 09:10 AM
cant use xtu for raise multi anymore...only throttlestop show me 38x after procedure.but the result 3791mhz on 3?or4? cores make me lol55414

antoine52200
02-07-2016, 09:59 AM
cant use xtu for raise multi anymore...only throttlestop show me 38x after procedure.but the result 3791mhz on 3?or4? cores make me lol55414

Yes, but it doesn't work 38x on 4 cores i already tried but it stays at 36x on 4 cores while benchmarking

Edweird
02-07-2016, 11:20 AM
Your CPU would suffer a nuclear meltdown if all 4 cores ran at 3,8GHz. :)
3 and 4 core options are always 2x below max.

warryabel
02-07-2016, 11:29 AM
Your CPU would suffer a nuclear meltdown if all 4 cores ran at 3,8GHz. :)
3 and 4 core options are always 2x below max.
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antoine52200
02-07-2016, 11:32 AM
Your CPU would suffer a nuclear meltdown if all 4 cores ran at 3,8GHz. :)
3 and 4 core options are always 2x below max.

Yeah, you're right, it visually unlock 38x on 4 cores but our 4720s are locked at 38x on 1 core by intel, and ASUS locks it at 37x..

Anyway 38x is enough i think, it gives a good performace boost :)

warryabel
02-07-2016, 11:37 AM
wich bench show me activity of core while benching?

antoine52200
02-07-2016, 12:09 PM
Yes i know what you mean, but, look at hwinfo and run a benchmark next to it, you will see that your processor when using the 4 cores at the same time can't go higher then 3.60 ... 38x is only for 1 active core

antoine52200
02-07-2016, 02:47 PM
what does wdt? i dont mess with ram timings or bclk the other stuff is unrelated to wdt i think

WDT will reset default ram settings if you get your timing wrong, so you don't brick your laptop.

But if you're using the default samsung ram sticks you can easily do 10, 10, 10, 30. My 16go went to 9, 9, 10, 28 no problem.. And it does give you quiet a boost in every day tasks..

antoine52200
02-07-2016, 02:49 PM
I'm also using a custom vBios for my 970m. The last update i got is as stable as the official one, i'm so impressed by it!

warryabel
02-07-2016, 06:03 PM
thx for the ramtimings...have mixed with hyundai not samsung only

andreacos92
02-07-2016, 07:14 PM
I'm running 9-9-9-28 also with no problem, but WatchDog is not perfect.
When I set them to 8-8-8-28 (I know that it's too much, but I trusted in WatchDog..) my laptop didn't start at all. Black screen and bootloop.

I had to disassemble it and remove the CMOS battery. So, pay attention with RAM timings :)

NitroX
02-08-2016, 11:54 PM
Hmm, so the only way to unlock the 4710HQ to x37, x36, x35, x35 is by Warryabel's method ? Cause then I would like to ask someone to upload the ASUS Intel XTU version, as I've done a clean install of win10 on my unit :D.

Hopefully, I'll get another 100Mhz from my rusty CPU.

warryabel
02-09-2016, 06:43 AM
its not my method,was eds tip
im on 4720...here the link http://workupload.com/file/2ADAEzIO

can someone tell me if the motherboard changed,must the sn of g751 also must change or have i the same when changing mb?

NitroX
02-09-2016, 10:01 AM
I saw that Ed started the thread but then I saw that you found a way to reproduce the effect.

Well, I actually managed to get it working last night :D. I was already running on the latest version of Intel XTU (without installing over previous versions). So I just did a reinstall of the same version and then I downloaded Throttlestop and set the Turbo Ratio Limits (TRL) to 37, 36, 35, 35 and now the CPU work at 3500Mhz with 3 and 4 cores active :D.

What's weird is that I don't even have to keep Throttlestop turned On or even running. Once I've changed the Ratio Limits and selected the corresponding profile for which I made the changes (Performance, Game, Internet, Battery - It doesn't really matter which one you change. I changed the Game profile from Throttlestop) the CPU seems to work at 3500Mhz in full load, even though in my Intel XTU the multipliers are showing x36, x35, x34, x34.

To check this I ran benchmarks and GTA V with more monitoring programs. All my monitoring programs are telling me the same thing, that the CPU works at x35 with 3 and 4 cores active, and MSI's OnScreenDisplay is telling me the same thing while playing GTA V. ALso the benchmarks give more points so it's not a reading error of the monitoring programs.

You can see that the minimum clock ratio on all cores was x35 (high performance plan to keep the clocks at max all time) and that MSI shows 3492Mhz while in-game.
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Here you can see that, even though Intel XTU shows x34, x34 for 3 and 4 cores active, the minimum frequency that he registered was x35, and the max x36. So, it's just an user interface limitation I suppose.
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And here are the TLR (Turbo Limit Ratio) from Throttlestop. As you can see, it's not even turned on:
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warryabel
02-09-2016, 10:13 AM
what is your facit? has you the same issue when start xtu the multi in throttle goes down also the max. showed freqency and when close all went fine?

NitroX
02-09-2016, 10:51 AM
Nopes. I can keep all of them running and the clocks remain at x35/x36. I don't even need Throttlestop running after I've done the changes to the Turbo Limit Ratios:

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Important factors might be: I'm running a clean version of Windows10 in UEFI mode.

antoine52200
02-09-2016, 11:01 AM
You shouldn't have to use throttlestop at all, if done right, you should just need XTU and you should have 37x in xtu..

The good thing about xtu is it will run the new profile on every boot, so you don't have to open throttlestop everytime...

antoine52200
02-09-2016, 11:02 AM
You should do it again nitro, your xtu isn't unlock now, and it should be! :)

warryabel
02-09-2016, 12:27 PM
it should...for me with 4720 xtu shows 37x of course,then if i close the programm the max goes 38x in throttlewatch. both programms togheter 37x,xtu allone 37x,38x throttlewatch without open xtu! very mystery
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NitroX
02-09-2016, 01:23 PM
You shouldn't have to use throttlestop at all, if done right, you should just need XTU and you should have 37x in xtu..

The good thing about xtu is it will run the new profile on every boot, so you don't have to open throttlestop everytime...

The x37 was only going to work for a single core anyways. What is important for me is to have 3500Mhz while 3 and 4 cores are working. I don't know what actually changes but even though XTU isn't "unlocked", as you say, making those settings in throttlestop gets my CPU to run at 3500Mhz in load. And as I said, I don't even need throttlestop to run. I just made the changes and then closed the program

I think Throttlestop unlocks the x35 multipliers for 3/4 active cores in XTU, but the user interface in Intel XTU isn't showing them. It's a weird thing but I dunno.


Could you guys tell me your Cinebench15 and Cinebench11.5 results for multi and single core ? Cause another strange thing is that, with 3500Mhz on all cores, I only seem to get 655Points in multi test and the guys from Notebookcheck got 662Points with the CPU on default (3300Mhz on 4 active cores). I wanna see if this is a problem with CInebench, since it may not be optimized for Win10.

warryabel
02-09-2016, 02:13 PM
cinebench 15 multicore 714 on i4720 it seems to be high...lol in singlecore i got 144 tested with win 8
first place cinebench 4720 :-)

andreacos92
02-09-2016, 02:25 PM
Same here as NitroX.

I unlocked 37x 36x 35x 35x with ThrottleStop and works fine. Furthermore, with latest version of ThrottleStop you can set almost everything: voltages, power limits, ecc
I keep XTU installed because I changed FSB and RAM timings there :)
ThrottleStops works with XTU opened too, of course sometimes CPU goes to 35x on all 4 cores, but this is normal because is using all 4 cores.

Then, I noticed that with 37x 36x 35x 35x and a slight undervolt (-25 mV) our 4710HQ draws up to 80 W on full load, a very high wattage (of course only in stress test/benchmark).

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So I ended up with XTU profile loading automatically at every boot and using my usual settings: 36x 35x 34x 34x, RAM timings, -80 mV stable undervolt, etc.
And when I need more power I open ThrottleStop and I have 1 bit more on every core and raised power limits.

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Edweird
02-09-2016, 02:26 PM
Again, seems like something is happening with the registry ... can't think of anything else that would cause this weird behaviour. Still, I guess it wasn't really the BIOS version doing it or at least I guess it wasn't.

andreacos92
02-09-2016, 02:51 PM
The x37 was only going to work for a single core anyways. What is important for me is to have 3500Mhz while 3 and 4 cores are working. I don't know what actually changes but even though XTU isn't "unlocked", as you say, making those settings in throttlestop gets my CPU to run at 3500Mhz in load. And as I said, I don't even need throttlestop to run. I just made the changes and then closed the program

I think Throttlestop unlocks the x35 multipliers for 3/4 active cores in XTU, but the user interface in Intel XTU isn't showing them. It's a weird thing but I dunno.


Could you guys tell me your Cinebench15 and Cinebench11.5 results for multi and single core ? Cause another strange thing is that, with 3500Mhz on all cores, I only seem to get 655Points in multi test and the guys from Notebookcheck got 662Points with the CPU on default (3300Mhz on 4 active cores). I wanna see if this is a problem with CInebench, since it may not be optimized for Win10.

In Cinebench15 I have 711 in multicore and 145 in singlecore.
Check your CPU Package Power, maybe you hit the continuous power limit of 50W.

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NitroX
02-09-2016, 03:22 PM
Hmm, my best score until now is. My CPU goes as high as 49W, so it doesn't reach the 50W limit. And the single-core test should have been the same, since it shouldn't be power limited.
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I think I'm gonna try to unlock Intel XTU also. Have you done like Warryabel said ? Installed ASUS XTU and then the newest Intel XTU over it ?


PS: It might also be cause you changed your RAM Timings. What are your settings for RAM right now ? And what RAM are u using ? Cause I have the samsung default.

antoine52200
02-09-2016, 03:32 PM
With the default samsung ram you can easy do 9,9,10,28

And your scores are really nice, with my 4720 i get 736 on multi, 155 on single

andreacos92
02-09-2016, 03:33 PM
I have the Samsung at 9-9-9-28., I raised FSB too. All seems stable after hours of stress tests.

However if your Package is at 49W, maybe you are hitting 50 power limit.
Keep XTU opened monitoring while you run benchmark, it has the option for monitoring Power Throttling :)

However, I think difference in our scores is all in RAM and FSB.

NitroX
02-09-2016, 03:38 PM
I'm actually a little bit afraid that it may brick if the Timings won't be ok. I've read smth over here: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?71728-Newbie-Overclocking-mistake-1-Where-is-the-G751jy-CMOS-battery-located&p=571408&viewfull=1#post571408 that really worries me. And the biggest problem is that I am not at home and I don't have the tools to tear up the notebook if anything happens. I also badly need it for my college stuff :)).

So actually, with these scores the CPU works better than the newest Skylake version. Nice !

EDIT: For FSB I don't see any option in Intel XTU. Where this might be ?

antoine52200
02-09-2016, 03:42 PM
I have the Samsung at 9-9-9-28., I raised FSB too. All seems stable after hours of stress tests.

However if your Package is at 49W, maybe you are hitting 50 power limit.
Keep XTU opened monitoring while you run benchmark, it has the option for monitoring Power Throttling :)

Like he said! but go easy step by step on the ram, not all do the same..

Also there is (if i'm not mistaking) the tfaw or tRC need to be equal to tRP + tRAS. check the info on each..

antoine52200
02-09-2016, 03:43 PM
if you're not home don't do it then..

andreacos92
02-09-2016, 03:52 PM
For RAM timing, as I said pay attention.
Watchdog doesn't work very well with them, and if you set them incorrectly you may brick.
It happened to me, and I had to move the CMOS battery to restore default settings.

tRAS must be > tCL + tRCD + 2

For FSB, it's the first option on XTU: Reference Clock.
Pay attention with it, too. Watchdog seems to work well in restoring it to default, but it doesn't accept much overclock.. do little step and test it.

NitroX
02-09-2016, 04:49 PM
Yeah, I'm gonna wait with the RAM Timings and FSB until June when I get back home. I wanna add 8 more GB anyways.

@Antoine: I've tried once again as Warryabel said: uninstalled latest Intel XTU -> Reboot -> Installed ASUS XTU -> Reboot -> Installed Latest 6.0.2.8 XTU over ASUS XTU -> Restart -> No unlocked XTU. I'm still using throttlestop for x35 on 3 and 4 active cores, but I can't reach x37 with a single active core. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong.

As I said, it might be cause I have a clean Windows 10 install on my unit.

Edit: Btw, my reference clock in XTU is already at 100Mhz. So I dunno if I should mess with that O_o. You guys we're saying something about 99.8/99.97. I do indeed get 99.7 readings for Bus Clock in HWInfo but idk now.

warryabel
02-09-2016, 06:56 PM
read xtu carefully bclk is not available since 6.0.2.8 its only show....in the last intelversion i could raise the bclk real :-) i must go to 101.23 to reach 3700.
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we must improve our thinking it never goes straight forward

NitroX
02-09-2016, 07:58 PM
Srry. I didn't have time to read a lot about this thing. I'm quite short on time right now, but I was very intrigued by this XTU unlock when I read the thread last night, and today I lost almost half of my day only trying to unlock XTU and test the CPU :)).
I still can't get it why Intel XTU won't show me x35, even if Throttlestop unlocked the multiplier. Huh... strange thing this technology.

warryabel
02-09-2016, 08:16 PM
Srry. I didn't have time to read a lot about this thing. I'm quite short on time right now, but I was very intrigued by this XTU unlock when I read the thread last night, and today I lost almost half of my day only trying to unlock XTU and test the CPU :)).
I still can't get it why Intel XTU won't show me x35, even if Throttlestop unlocked the multiplier. Huh... strange thing this technology.
are u on last bios? im on 211

warryabel
02-10-2016, 06:51 AM
now im looking how it works...without intel me
i read something about intel me...is part of bios and have capabilities for oc
it gives bits in hex in the me firmware for region block that block is blocking bclk
also some user have flashed an unlocked region intel me as part of bios for bc
lk oc.
yet...i uninstalled intel management componets and have no issues 4720 but also no decrease in something then my multi is sureley unlocked! no plan,must read :-)

NitroX
02-10-2016, 12:33 PM
are u on last bios? im on 211

Nopes, I have bios 208. But there's also something very strange happening when I run the Geekbench test. Usually, the results should be between 12000 and 13000 for multicore and 3000-3300 for single core. I mean, look at this score (left) compared to mine (right). You can see that the biggest difference comes from the Memory... Maybe it's because I only have a single channel 8GB O_o ?

But, you can also see that the AES Multi and Dijkstra Multicore are also almost twice of what I get. This is very, very strange. And there are a lot of other examples with the same differences compared to mine. I've chosen this one because, apart from the 16GB RAM module, there are no major differences (Both machines running 4710hq on windows 10, same MB, same anything).


Anyone has an idea of why this might happen ? And could you please do a geekbench3 test and tell me the results.

andreacos92
02-10-2016, 04:22 PM
Nopes, I have bios 208. But there's also something very strange happening when I run the Geekbench test. Usually, the results should be between 12000 and 13000 for multicore and 3000-3300 for single core. I mean, look at this score (left) compared to mine (right). You can see that the biggest difference comes from the Memory... Maybe it's because I only have a single channel 8GB O_o ?

But, you can also see that the AES Multi and Dijkstra Multicore are also almost twice of what I get. This is very, very strange. And there are a lot of other examples with the same differences compared to mine. I've chosen this one because, apart from the 16GB RAM module, there are no major differences (Both machines running 4710hq on windows 10, same MB, same anything).


Anyone has an idea of why this might happen ? And could you please do a geekbench3 test and tell me the results.

I don't know why there is this difference.
I just tried Geekbench3, all the runs are with 37x 36x 35x 35x multipliers.

I have this score with OCed RAM timings and FSB
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5217535

And this result with RAM and FSB at stock values (100 MHz and 11-11-11-28)
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5217675

EDIT: I'm on Asus W8.1 and bios 211 :)

NitroX
02-10-2016, 04:45 PM
Thx for the reply! It seems that you have the normal values. I'll update the bios and see if anything changes. It's pretty weird that both Cinebench and Geekbench give me lower scores than yours. At first I thought that it was because of dual-channel and higher memory freq, but I've searched on the internet and the dual-channel vs single-channel shouldn't influence Cinebench that much.

andreacos92
02-10-2016, 04:57 PM
Thx for the reply! It seems that you have the normal values. I'll update the bios and see if anything changes. It's pretty weird that both Cinebench and Geekbench give me lower scores than yours. At first I thought that it was because of dual-channel and higher memory freq, but I've searched on the internet and the dual-channel vs single-channel shouldn't influence Cinebench that much.

My memory frequencies are the same as yours I think: 1600MHz (1620 with OCed FSB, but 20MHz is nothing).
Dual channel makes difference, but not so notable.

Try updating Bios, and then you can try Asus Realbench as another benchmark :)

NitroX
02-10-2016, 11:54 PM
So, I did a BIOS update to 211 and I tried once again to unlock XTU by Uninstalling previous Intel XTU -> Cleaning Registry with AVG -> Install New Bios (211) -> Install ASUS XTU -> Restart -> Install Intel XTU 6.0.2.8 -> Restart -> No luck ...

So, I'm still using Throttlestop to get x35 on all cores, but the scores are the same @670Cinebench and I also did a Realbench run and these are the reuslts (compared to andreacos92): http://rog.asus.com/realbench/show_comment.php?id=11405&compare=11459

In fact, I saw a lot of people with lower scores than yours andreacos92. I think that your scores are quite "out of the box" and not that mine are lower than normal :)). I think it's something with that unlock XTU because for my CPU freq, Realbench shows only 35Multiplier cause that's the maximum working frequency while benchmarking, but yours shows 37Multiplier O_o.

Now, I'm even more intrigued by this thing with Intel XTU. Could you give me more info on how exactly you did the Intel XTU unlock? And are you sure you can reproduce it now, if you're going to uninstall Intel XTU once again ?

Saipher
02-11-2016, 07:23 AM
Just a bit offtopic, but please bear with me. While tweaking with XTU and benchmarking after each change, I sometimes get wildly varying scores with identical settings. What would you guys recommend as a CONSISTENT benchmark for CPU? With consistent I mean that you get almost identical scores each time you test with the same settings for the processor...

Edit: As a sidenote, at stock settings for 4720HQ (i.e. nothing is touched, multipliers at their defaults, etc...) I got 727 benchmark with XTU. With everything (that I dared) tweaked, multipliers maxed, max undervolt, max power settings, max amperage, longer boost time, I get 769 score. So, about 5,7% increase. Is this what you can normally gain with XTU? When benchmarking, XTU logs that I am most of the time Power Limit Throttling, is there anything I can do about that?

warryabel
02-11-2016, 07:47 AM
Just a bit offtopic, but please bear with me. While tweaking with XTU and benchmarking after each change, I sometimes get wildly varying scores with identical settings. What would you guys recommend as a CONSISTENT benchmark for CPU? With consistent I mean that you get almost identical scores each time you test with the same settings for the processor...

Edit: As a sidenote, at stock settings for 4720HQ (i.e. nothing is touched, multipliers at their defaults, etc...) I got 727 benchmark with XTU. With everything (that I dared) tweaked, multipliers maxed, max undervolt, max power settings, max amperage, longer boost time, I get 769 score. So, about 5,7% increase. Is this what you can normally gain with XTU? When benchmarking, XTU logs that I am most of the time Power Limit Throttling, is there anything I can do about that?
my best score was 772 but i never reached this result again at this try i was run undervolt -70 but it seems very unstabel maybe because i had raised the reference clock to reach 100mhz showing in throttlestop.
now with unlocked multi and oced ram timing without undervolt i get a much badder result.
very intresting in this scenario ts6 cant raise the clocks so much as ts7. can someone explain the screenshot? read error or auto raising bclk by somewhat?! very strange havent touched the bclk :-)
55547

andreacos92
02-11-2016, 08:57 AM
So, I did a BIOS update to 211 and I tried once again to unlock XTU by Uninstalling previous Intel XTU -> Cleaning Registry with AVG -> Install New Bios (211) -> Install ASUS XTU -> Restart -> Install Intel XTU 6.0.2.8 -> Restart -> No luck ...

So, I'm still using Throttlestop to get x35 on all cores, but the scores are the same @670Cinebench and I also did a Realbench run and these are the reuslts (compared to andreacos92): http://rog.asus.com/realbench/show_comment.php?id=11405&compare=11459

In fact, I saw a lot of people with lower scores than yours andreacos92. I think that your scores are quite "out of the box" and not that mine are lower than normal :)). I think it's something with that unlock XTU because for my CPU freq, Realbench shows only 35Multiplier cause that's the maximum working frequency while benchmarking, but yours shows 37Multiplier O_o.

Now, I'm even more intrigued by this thing with Intel XTU. Could you give me more info on how exactly you did the Intel XTU unlock? And are you sure you can reproduce it now, if you're going to uninstall Intel XTU once again ?

No, wait. I know that every piece of hardware is different, but our score difference is not in this margin IMO.

I don't use XTU for the unlocked multipliers, because (like you) I can't trick it.. so I'm using ThrottleStop8, downloaded from here
https://www.sendspace.com/file/of4xwj

I'm using 37x 36x 35x 35x multipliers, 37x cache, a bit of undervolt (actually -30 mV), raised Power limits.
I'm able to avoid any Power limit throttling. If I use a benchmark/stress test that use AVX instructions (like newer Prime95 versions, AIDA64 FPU test, or XTU benchmark), my CPU ask for 80+ Watt, and after some minutes it starts to thermal throttling due to the VR modules (the modules that supply voltage to the cores).
This is a very well known "problem" with Haswell CPU (aka Hotwell :) ) because they ask for more voltage when using AVX instructions, and I simply avoid these AVX stress tests, because they reproduce a not-real-world load on CPU.

But RealBench, Cinebench, Geekbench don't use AVX instructions, so CPU wattage during these benchmark stay at about 60/65W maximum, and you can avoid Power limits throttling without problems, without risking to hit any Thermal throttling.

Said this, if you are sure that no Throttling happens, I really don't know why we are experiencing this "huge" difference.
In XTU I set Reference Clock to 101.58 (101.4 effective) and I come back to 10-10-10-28 RAM timings, because 9-9-9-28 give me some stability issues during stress test.

In Windows Power Plan, when using benchmark/stress tests, I swith to the Performance Plan, that lock the CPU at maximum frequency and doesn't let CPU slow down (minimum 35x). Give it a try if you're not using this.

Last, for Asus RealBench score, I have OCed my 980m too, that helps in the OpenCL test.

Let me know if you find something, this situation is strange and hope you can improve :)



Just a bit offtopic, but please bear with me. While tweaking with XTU and benchmarking after each change, I sometimes get wildly varying scores with identical settings. What would you guys recommend as a CONSISTENT benchmark for CPU? With consistent I mean that you get almost identical scores each time you test with the same settings for the processor...

Edit: As a sidenote, at stock settings for 4720HQ (i.e. nothing is touched, multipliers at their defaults, etc...) I got 727 benchmark with XTU. With everything (that I dared) tweaked, multipliers maxed, max undervolt, max power settings, max amperage, longer boost time, I get 769 score. So, about 5,7% increase. Is this what you can normally gain with XTU? When benchmarking, XTU logs that I am most of the time Power Limit Throttling, is there anything I can do about that?

You are hitting Power Limit Throttling, it's normal if you don't raise Power settings.
For "Raise Power settings" I mean not in XTU, 60W are not sufficient.. Intel understimates the Power this CPU can ask at very high load.
You can raise them with ThrottleStop, only if you know what you're doing. Read above my reply to NitroX.



my best score was 772 but i never reached this result again at this try i was run undervolt -70 but it seems very unstabel maybe because i had raised the reference clock to reach 100mhz showing in throttlestop.
now with unlocked multi and oced ram timing without undervolt i get a much badder result.
very intresting in this scenario ts6 cant raise the clocks so much as ts7. can someone explain the screenshot? read error or auto raising bclk by somewhat?! very strange havent touched the bclk :-)
55547

Here too, with less undervolt your CPU wattage increase. So maybe you're experiencing a worse score because your CPU power throttles more with no undervolt.

With my 4710HQ, 37x and about 101.4MHz of FSB, i reach 3750 MHz. I cannot use -70 mV, it just crash and freezes often.
Now I'm using -30 mV and right now I'm running a full Prime95 26.6 (NO AVX) Blend Test (7h 46m now, without problems).
Maybe then I will try -40 mV.

warryabel
02-11-2016, 09:13 AM
look pls at my picture and explain my 3845mhz without touching bclk 4720 only reach 3800 on paper! with stock bclk around 99,77 never 100 i reached avg. 3791 or 3794mhz that 38xx is an surprise also the automatic bclk jump.

andreacos92
02-11-2016, 09:20 AM
My blck sometimes spikes too, it has always done that, especially on startup if I remember well.
Now, with 101.58 in XTU, I sometimes read about 103 as maximum.

Maybe it's some kind of automatic OC by Asus, I really don't care much about it, because it's rare and goes up for very short time, not in constant load.

Saipher
02-11-2016, 09:39 AM
You are hitting Power Limit Throttling, it's normal if you don't raise Power settings.
For "Raise Power settings" I mean not in XTU, 60W are not sufficient.. Intel understimates the Power this CPU can ask at very high load.
You can raise them with ThrottleStop, only if you know what you're doing. Read above my reply to NitroX.

Thanks, I was not sure whether the Power Limit Throttling was to be expected or not. At first, I ran into Current Limit Throttling, but when I raised Processor Current Limit from 85A to 90A, went to Power Limit Throttling. Which makes sense, because the higher the amperage, the higher the wattage. And wattage is limited by Turbo Boost Power Max and Turbo Boost Short Power Max, which both I have maxed (50W and 60W). Power Limit Throttling was lessened each time I added more undervolt, which again makes sense (less volts = less wattage) and also lessened the longer I changed the Turbo Boost Power Time Window, which also makes sense (more time for Short Power Max = greater power limit for longer time). I ran some short stress tests also with my "Max" settings, nothing special there. Temps were okay, 75-80C, no instability. How safe is it to change the Current Limit (85A to 90A [Max in XTU]) and TB Power Time Window (8 secs default, have tried 16 secs, but not longer)?

Also, which benchmark would you suggest to be used to measure if changing settings has positive or negative effect? I think XTU benchmark cannot be trusted since with same settings I can end up with 700+ and on another run, 500-something. That's a huge difference, considering that the "environment" (same boot, no other applications open, etc...) was the same each time these "fluctuations" happened..

andreacos92
02-11-2016, 10:08 AM
Thanks, I was not sure whether the Power Limit Throttling was to be expected or not. At first, I ran into Current Limit Throttling, but when I raised Processor Current Limit from 85A to 90A, went to Power Limit Throttling. Which makes sense, because the higher the amperage, the higher the wattage. And wattage is limited by Turbo Boost Power Max and Turbo Boost Short Power Max, which both I have maxed (50W and 60W). Power Limit Throttling was lessened each time I added more undervolt, which again makes sense (less volts = less wattage) and also lessened the longer I changed the Turbo Boost Power Time Window, which also makes sense (more time for Short Power Max = greater power limit for longer time). I ran some short stress tests also with my "Max" settings, nothing special there. Temps were okay, 75-80C, no instability. How safe is it to change the Current Limit (85A to 90A [Max in XTU]) and TB Power Time Window (8 secs default, have tried 16 secs, but not longer)?

Also, which benchmark would you suggest to be used to measure if changing settings has positive or negative effect? I think XTU benchmark cannot be trusted since with same settings I can end up with 700+ and on another run, 500-something. That's a huge difference, considering that the "environment" (same boot, no other applications open, etc...) was the same each time these "fluctuations" happened..

You can run Asus Realbench in Benchmark mode, I like it.
You set 5 runs, and take the best score as reference, because the first 1-2 runs give a little inferior score (in my tests).

Your thinking about voltage/amperage and wattage are all right.
IMO, if you don't have thermal problems, these CPU can run at 60W constant too. My Prime95 test actually is at 9 hours, with a 63W average and 67W max, without any kind of throttling and max temp is 79.

So, if you don't want to use ThrottleStop, leave 50W and 60W as Power limits and max out TB Power Time Window, with stock voltage (or better less voltage) and good temperature, you cannot damage anything.

However, as said, in real world usage, almost no applications/game hit these Power Limits.

warryabel
02-11-2016, 10:12 AM
would like to see a picture of the raised fsb...you ocing the fsb/bclk with xtu 6.0.2.8?
55552

Saipher
02-11-2016, 10:13 AM
You can run Asus Realbench in Benchmark mode, I like it.
You set 5 runs, and take the best score as reference, because the first 1-2 runs give a little inferior score (in my tests).

Your thinking about voltage/amperage and wattage are all right.
IMO, if you don't have thermal problems, these CPU can run at 60W constant too. My Prime95 test actually is at 9 hours, with a 63W average and 67W max, without any kind of throttling and max temp is 79.

So, if you don't want to use ThrottleStop, leave 50W and 60W as Power limits and max out TB Power Time Window, with stock voltage (or better less voltage) and good temperature, you cannot damage anything.

However, as said, in real world usage, almost no applications/game hit these Power Limits.

Thanks, I'll be trying Realbench! I am not sure about hitting power limits, but Planetside 2 is a very CPU-intensive game, and if you have even a halfway decent GPU, you're most likely to be limited by CPU. That's why I want to get everything out of the CPU. :) Thanks again for your advice!

andreacos92
02-11-2016, 10:19 AM
would like to see a picture of the raised fsb...you ocing the fsb/bclk with xtu 6.0.2.8?

Yes, 6.0.2.8. Every application read the increased FSB and the resultant 3750 MhZ in 37x multipliers.
Right now multiplier go up to 35x because I'm on stress test and all 4 cores are active at moment.

Five different software: 101.3/101.35/101.4 :)

55553




Thanks, I'll be trying Realbench! I am not sure about hitting power limits, but Planetside 2 is a very CPU-intensive game, and if you have even a halfway decent GPU, you're most likely to be limited by CPU. That's why I want to get everything out of the CPU. :) Thanks again for your advice!

I can suggest you to play with XTU running in background, and after a game session you can check the maximum wattage and if CPU entered in Power Throttling ;)

Saipher
02-11-2016, 10:29 AM
I did game with Afterburner monitor open to see if temps go too high, when I had oveclocked the GPU, but yeah, I should do that with XTU monitor as well to see the (possible) throttle and power infos.

warryabel
02-11-2016, 10:33 AM
thx andreacos i ask because intel has offerd in the description of 6.0.2.8 without bclk oc... read this tread side 6 first post! is this false?

NitroX
02-11-2016, 10:39 AM
@Andreasco: Hah, I just downloaded Throttlestop 8 Beta 7 today and managed to unlock +2 on all cores :)). I was just coming to say that on the thread. Okay, so now, I'm actually only running Throttlestop, as the latest 8 Beta 7 version has undervolt option too, so I don't really need Intel XTU anymore. I also like Throttlestop more cause it has the Hotkeys and I can easily change profiles for the CPU.

Now, as for the performance part, even though I managed unlocking the clocks to x37, x36, x35, x35 I still don't get your scores in Cinebench. I'm never near the 700point. And what's stranger is that I checked the Power Throttle limit and I never hit it during benchmarking. I used both Intel XTU and HWInfo64 to check this out. It might be because of my -75mv core/-75mv cache undervolt.

I actually tried lowering the undervolt to -50mv/-50mv and HWInfo64 showed that EDP (electrical design point) was reached. With -75mv/-75mv it never tells me this. Even so, I am currently running with Package Power Limits at 55W/65W just in case, but I never go above 51W during benchmarks.

And yes, I'm always running High Performance plan in windows and I made sure every option is tuned for maximum performance in the plan settings.

So actually, the only differences are the increased FSB (a +40-50Mhz), the RAM timings and the dual-channel mode.

I'm going to OC my GPU for the Realbench test and see what I'm gonna get with that.


Btw, during benchmarks, my Core 3 (4th core actually) always has lower temps. Is there any possible way that it might not work at its full potential ?


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andreacos92
02-11-2016, 10:40 AM
thx andreacos i ask because intel has offerd in the description of 6.0.2.8 without bclk oc... read this tread side 6 first post! is this false?

I read that. I don't know exactly what Intel means with that statement, but it works. I noticed a little improvements in benchmark score with raised FSB, so it definitely works.

You can try yourself :)

andreacos92
02-11-2016, 10:54 AM
@Andreasco: Hah, I just downloaded Throttlestop 8 Beta 7 today and managed to unlock +2 on all cores :)). I was just coming to say that on the thread. Okay, so now, I'm actually only running Throttlestop, as the latest 8 Beta 7 version has undervolt option too, so I don't really need Intel XTU anymore. I also like Throttlestop more cause it has the Hotkeys and I can easily change profiles for the CPU.

Now, as for the performance part, even though I managed unlocking the clocks to x37, x36, x35, x35 I still don't get your scores in Cinebench. I'm never near the 700point. And what's stranger is that I checked the Power Throttle limit and I never hit it during benchmarking. I used both Intel XTU and HWInfo64 to check this out. It might be because of my -75mv core/-75mv cache undervolt.

I actually tried lowering the undervolt to -50mv/-50mv and HWInfo64 showed that EDP (electrical design point) was reached. With -75mv/-75mv it never tells me this. Even so, I am currently running with Package Power Limits at 55W/65W just in case, but I never go above 51W during benchmarks.

And yes, I'm always running High Performance plan in windows and I made sure every option is tuned for maximum performance in the plan settings.

So actually, the only differences are the increased FSB (a +40-50Mhz), the RAM timings and the dual-channel mode.

I'm going to OC my GPU for the Realbench test and see what I'm gonna get with that.


Btw, during benchmarks, my Core 3 (4th core actually) always has lower temps. Is there any possible way that it might not work at its full potential ?


55554

Yes, latest version of ThrottleStop is really good.
I keep using XTU just for RAM timings and FSB.

However, EDP is the current limit. Set it to 90A in XTU and you should avoid this.
-70 mV can seem stable in these not really heavy benchmark (realbench, cinebench), but in my case crash in light use like browser (LOL) and in heavier load. But we know, every CPU is different, and if you can run 37x stable at -75mV, you're fine.
As said I'using Prime95 v26.6 to check stability.

On Geekbench you have also my score with stock FSB and RAM timings :)
So, the only difference now is the amount of RAM (8 vs 16) and the Dual Channel mode, but I really don't know how much difference can do.

Cores different temperatures are normal, I have always up to 4-5 gap between the hottest and the coldest core.
Sometimes you can reduce this gap with a repaste, but I don't think it worths in your case, your temps are fine :)

Saipher
02-11-2016, 11:05 AM
One question, before it's too late. :)

If I run into problems, for example, laptop crashes and wont boot anymore, because of the changes done with XTU, how do I proceed to unbrick the laptop? Remove the CMOS battery to reset everything to defaults? I've been running max undervolts (achievable with XTU) in normal daily use now for about 2 work days, with no problems, but I haven't really stressed the laptop.

And a newbie question also - FSB = BCLK = Reference Clock (in XTU)? I've had an impression that changing that can lead to problems, is that correct? Or just something that needs to be tested by for example stress testing?

andreacos92
02-11-2016, 11:17 AM
One question, before it's too late. :)

If I run into problems, for example, laptop crashes and wont boot anymore, because of the changes done with XTU, how do I proceed to unbrick the laptop? Remove the CMOS battery to reset everything to defaults? I've been running max undervolts (achievable with XTU) in normal daily use now for about 2 work days, with no problems, but I haven't really stressed the laptop.

And a newbie question also - FSB = BCLK = Reference Clock (in XTU)? I've had an impression that changing that can lead to problems, is that correct? Or just something that needs to be tested by for example stress testing?

Here it's only noon, and it will be a looooong day of testing :)

Theoretically, if you do some wrong adjustaments in XTU, then Intel Watchdog Time Driver (WDT) will reload default settings. I experienced this with undervolt, reference clock, etc.
RAM timings seems a problem, if you go too low with it, WDT is not very able to restore default setting and you may brick.
It happens to me and I had to remove CMOS battery. Maybe, you can only remove a RAM stick, PC will detect hardware changes, and reload default setting. In this case you don't have to remove the entire motherboard from the chassis.

For FSB, yes it should be Reference Clock in XTU.
Increasing FSB clock, you will increase the speed of every device connected to the motherboard (CPU, RAM, GPU, hard drives, etc...). So, you have to do really little increase, because not all devices can accept this speed increment.

However, with different stress tests (CPU, RAM, Cache, GPU, hard drives) you should be sure that it's stable :)

Saipher
02-11-2016, 11:38 AM
Thanks again!


Here it's only noon, and it will be a looooong day of testing :)

By "too late" I meant bricking the laptop having no way to google/use forums to get help. :)

NitroX
02-11-2016, 11:55 AM
Oky, so I ran Realbench with GPu also OCed and I've done multiple runs. It is a little better right now, but I'm still 10k points shorter from your lowest score :)). Oh well, I've actually done everything I could for the moment. I'll see once again when I get back home and add a dual-channel kit to my unit.

Here's the latest comparison: http://rog.asus.com/realbench/show_comment.php?id=11405&compare=11476 . I think you've got a 4710hq on steroids or something :)).


I'm going to run some stability tests too cause I got a blue screen earlier right after benchmarking. I was previously using -80mv/-80mv with the maximum Intel XTU multipliers so if -75mv won't be stable, I think that -70mv will be for sure. I'll just have to see.

I'm gonna come back if I have any news or improvements. Thanks for all the help Andreasco ! And the other guys from this thread ofc :D.

warryabel
02-11-2016, 01:51 PM
luxmark crashed evry time in realbench...plan? only thing is vt disabled in bios!

andreacos92
02-11-2016, 02:19 PM
Oky, so I ran Realbench with GPu also OCed and I've done multiple runs. It is a little better right now, but I'm still 10k points shorter from your lowest score :)). Oh well, I've actually done everything I could for the moment. I'll see once again when I get back home and add a dual-channel kit to my unit.

Here's the latest comparison: http://rog.asus.com/realbench/show_comment.php?id=11405&compare=11476 . I think you've got a 4710hq on steroids or something :)).


I'm going to run some stability tests too cause I got a blue screen earlier right after benchmarking. I was previously using -80mv/-80mv with the maximum Intel XTU multipliers so if -75mv won't be stable, I think that -70mv will be for sure. I'll just have to see.

I'm gonna come back if I have any news or improvements. Thanks for all the help Andreasco ! And the other guys from this thread ofc :D.

I also was using -80/-80 mV with x36 multiplier for months without issues, but with x37 I had a crash at -50mV. I'll test at -40mV.

Let us know if you improve with Dual Channel RAM :)



luxmark crashed evry time in realbench...plan? only thing is vt disabled in bios!

Have you overclocked your GPU?
If yes, try reducing memory clock. Happened the same to me..

warryabel
02-11-2016, 03:36 PM
no oc on gpu if this causing by nftools? i have no chance the luxmarkbench make trouble gpu driver restore...or modified vbios?

warryabel
02-13-2016, 07:49 AM
now by trying to get luxmark to work i have several times try with settings in bios or devicemanager or installed btw. deinstalled some things
but now is strange, icant get xtu properly work in cpl is wdt present but was not in devicemanager, when i installed the driver manually i get a yello hello in devicemanager with error 10. when i deinstal in devicemanager the wdt driver wdt is still present in cpl!
i need no wdt but why i get xtu no correct working? have reinstalled chipset,mei,cppc and xtu several times no chance. the biggest **** is the 38x multi was gone no plan where he is...

NitroX
02-13-2016, 09:39 AM
You could just use Throttlestop 8 Beta 7 to unlock the x38, x37, x36, x36 multipliers :). It's easier than messing up with bugging Intel XTU.

andreacos92
02-13-2016, 09:41 AM
now by trying to get luxmark to work i have several times try with settings in bios or devicemanager or installed btw. deinstalled some things
but now is strange, icant get xtu properly work in cpl is wdt present but was not in devicemanager, when i installed the driver manually i get a yello hello in devicemanager with error 10. when i deinstal in devicemanager the wdt driver wdt is still present in cpl!
i need no wdt but why i get xtu no correct working? have reinstalled chipset,mei,cppc and xtu several times no chance. the biggest **** is the 38x multi was gone no plan where he is...

I don't know what is wrong with XTU.. I decided to not touch it anymore, I leave RAM latency at 10 and Reference Clock to effective 100.1 (101.3 was too much), it applies setting at each boot but I will not open it to avoid conflicts with ThrottleStop.

Check if Windows created a restore point before you uninstalled/installed softwares and try to restore it.

warryabel
02-13-2016, 12:20 PM
now all seems fine... manually deinstalled watchdog and xtu driver under not visible devices... now i can change the multi in xtu but the ram timings away! its funny how you can waste a lot time...

warryabel
02-13-2016, 12:36 PM
You could just use Throttlestop 8 Beta 7 to unlock the x38, x37, x36, x36 multipliers :). It's easier than messing up with bugging Intel XTU.
i used ts8 the whole time...xtu was a present for undervolting but now undervolting is easy with ts8... ramtimings are ramtimings, and xtu bench is only xtu bench...lol

Rares95
02-13-2016, 01:48 PM
its not my method,was eds tip
im on 4720...here the link http://workupload.com/file/2ADAEzIO

can someone tell me if the motherboard changed,must the sn of g751 also must change or have i the same when changing mb?

What the hell is in that archive. Tried installing that AsDetI7CPU thing, then the XTU thing (the xtu said i don't have sufficient permission even with admin), then installed XTU again, now it says i have 0Ghz, 0 cores etc. https://www.dropbox.com/s/eyff7ggd8mergmb/Untitled_compressed.jpg?dl=0

warryabel
02-13-2016, 02:03 PM
What the hell is in that archive. Tried installing that AsDetI7CPU thing, then the XTU thing (the xtu said i don't have sufficient permission even with admin), then installed XTU again, now it says i have 0Ghz, 0 cores etc. https://www.dropbox.com/s/eyff7ggd8mergmb/Untitled_compressed.jpg?dl=0

must not installing that AsDetI7CPU only xtu it bring the other stuff(wdt,etc) with it...
p.s when you install xtu there is no detect exe in the install exe....the detect exe is only in the orginal asus xtu folder! but the orginal is not 6.0.2.8
i think you try something wrong

Rares95
02-13-2016, 02:06 PM
must not installing that AsDetI7CPU only xtu it bring the other stuff(wdt,etc) with it...

GEE THANKS for the heads up! But now that Installed it, how do I delete it?

Edit: Fixed by manually removing watchdog. Never installing anything again without having proper instructions.

Dreamonic
07-24-2016, 05:14 AM
Highest G751JY score to date: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11437793 using the 202 BIOS (why GPU isn't recognized). Battery drained 10% during benchmark. CPU maxed out at 82.1W (notice the OC) and GPU at 212.4W. Time to start looking at the Dell X51 330W AC adapter.

warryabel
07-24-2016, 06:45 AM
Highest G751JY score to date: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11437793 using the 202 BIOS (why GPU isn't recognized). Battery drained 10% during benchmark. CPU maxed out at 82.1W (notice the OC) and GPU at 212.4W. Time to start looking at the Dell X51 330W AC adapter.
x40 isnt default... only modded bios or is this the result of 202 because higher multis(+2bin)?

Dreamonic
07-24-2016, 06:53 AM
Modified of course. I can go higher, up to 4.2Ghz but at +183.6mV and temps are a problem. I can cool 4.0Ghz with my mods in everything for a 24/7 clock but with AC adapter maxing out completely now with the GPU overclock as well, I'll have to stick with 4.0Ghz until X51 AC adapter arrives.

It's also all 4 cores locked at 4.0Ghz too.

ROG_HARDCORE
07-24-2016, 12:57 PM
Modified of course. I can go higher, up to 4.2Ghz but at +183.6mV and temps are a problem. I can cool 4.0Ghz with my mods in everything for a 24/7 clock but with AC adapter maxing out completely now with the GPU overclock as well, I'll have to stick with 4.0Ghz until X51 AC adapter arrives.

It's also all 4 cores locked at 4.0Ghz too.


Possible with G752VY? Skylake 6700HQ 4.0Ghz + 3D Vapor Chamber Cooling