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gabjiboji
02-16-2016, 01:04 PM
Hi guys

I am saving money to buy a laptop and I would very much like to be able to play Witcher 3 on it at acceptable settings. By acceptable settings I think I mean above medium settings (would prefer high settings, but you know). I do not know much about the proper fps and other computer talk. I just want the game to run smoothly and look good as well.

I have been trying to understand exactly what things to take into consideration when choosing a model but as I said, I am not exactly versed in the hardware thingies. I've seen videos on the web with people testing the Witcher game with various models of GTX, but is that all it takes? I can't just say 'It's got GTX960 so it will work', right? Is a 2.0 GHz processor a good processor for what I want? Should I look for a higher GTX or a higher GHz count? You see, I really don't know.

So I thought it would just be easier if I could find someone that can help me find the right type of gaming laptop that I need. That way I can see exactly how much money I should save.

I hope one of you can lend a hand, I'd be über grateful.

Thank you very much!

navis995
02-17-2016, 01:09 AM
You need at least 1500€ for that one my friend. I have 880M and i7-4700hq and on high I have average of around 40 fps.

Julskey
02-17-2016, 05:15 AM
any gtx965m or 970m?

gabjiboji
02-17-2016, 07:03 AM
any gtx965m or 970m?

any? So that is all that matters? A gtx970 with a 2.0 GHz processor is better than a gtx860 with a 3.2 GHz processor? (i don't know if such combos exist, just giving an example)

Julskey
02-17-2016, 09:11 AM
Forget 965m

Get this, http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g751jtwh71wx-p-8776.html

gabjiboji
02-17-2016, 02:02 PM
Forget 965m

Get this, http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g751jtwh71wx-p-8776.html


thanks. it doesn't seem to be the cheapest though.

antoine52200
02-17-2016, 02:16 PM
thanks. it doesn't seem to be the cheapest though.

Yep it's not the cheapest, but you need at least a 970m if you want to keep your laptop some time and be able to play new games at medium/high settings. Like Julskey said, forget the 965m! To play witcher 3 you need a 970m.

antoine52200
02-17-2016, 02:18 PM
Witcher 3 is a CPU intense game, but, the most important is the GPU. As long as you get a laptop with a 970m, the cpu will be good enough to go with the 970m.

sevymar
02-17-2016, 03:30 PM
My old laptop, the G750JX with GTX770M ran the witcher 3 at around 40FPS everything low. still looks great imo.
My current laptop, G752VY with GTX980M runs at a smooth 60FPS on Ultra but hairworks turned off.

gabjiboji
02-17-2016, 08:32 PM
Witcher 3 is a CPU intense game, but, the most important is the GPU. As long as you get a laptop with a 970m, the cpu will be good enough to go with the 970m.

thanks!

gabjiboji
02-17-2016, 08:33 PM
My old laptop, the G750JX with GTX770M ran the witcher 3 at around 40FPS everything low. still looks great imo.
My current laptop, G752VY with GTX980M runs at a smooth 60FPS on Ultra but hairworks turned off.

thanks, this gives me something to compare with

Boxis
02-17-2016, 08:59 PM
Check this page, if you can:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Witcher-3-Notebook-Benchmarks.143187.0.html

There were some optimalization patches, but fps is kinda similar, so the data shown there is mostly accurate.

nandodean
02-17-2016, 09:26 PM
GL552 will do the job on medium settings.

gabjiboji
02-18-2016, 07:10 PM
GL552 will do the job on medium settings.

now see what i mean, it was said above that i need gtx970 to run it. did you play the game on gl552? or you estimate that it should work, based on its specs?

gabjiboji
02-18-2016, 07:20 PM
Check this page, if you can:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Witcher-3-Notebook-Benchmarks.143187.0.html

There were some optimalization patches, but fps is kinda similar, so the data shown there is mostly accurate.

OK.. I don't think i understand everything on that page, but that table was clear enough. however, it refers only to the gpu as far as i can tell. now i'm not so sure on the processor. will a 2.0 ghz affect gameplay much?

Dreamonic
02-18-2016, 10:24 PM
Lets put this to rest, because back in the day if any of you can recall, some CPUs like the A10-4600M were paired up with flagship GPUs at the time like the 7970M for example. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible CPU/GPU configuration, because when the CPU was at maximum load, the GPU wasn't (essentially, GPU performance bottleneck by the CPU). So FPS of equivalent GPU config notebooks showed just how much that piss poor of CPU choice was affecting average FPS! The difference was like 50%, but then again, it was a cheaper configuration than going Intel i7-3630QM/3940XM at the time. So you get what you pay for, enough said there.

If you want to do some reading on the MSI GX60 (older notebook) I was using in my example above, you can read about it here (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GX60-Notebook.86283.0.html) since this will answer how important CPU performance is with a gaming notebook.

Nowadays, most gaming notebook configs are using higher end CPU models paired with mid range/high end GPU models so max performance (no bottlenecks - shouldn't even being using this word here) can be attainable 99.9% of the time; Lower end gaming notebook configs still mostly use higher end CPU models, but the GPU models are usually mid range and this is where the cost in savings come from, the GPU, amount of system memory, SSD space, screen size/res, even brand!


For the sake of argument, let's say this:

A 2Ghz quad core CPU with a 960M vs 3Ghz quad core CPU with a 960M (say price difference is $150 between the two) of course the 2Ghz CPU model will run games fine, but average FPS will be down compared to the 3Ghz model. How much will it be down? It could be anywhere from a minimum of 30% to the 50% as mentioned earlier. So let's say the 2Ghz model gets 30fps and the 3Ghz model gets you 45fps. Is $150 worth that FPS improvement going with the faster CPU? You decide.

So to answer the question, will a 860M/960M play The Witcher 3 at decent FPS at 1080p? Unless you enjoy most settings at low/medium with some high at avg 30-40fps in a game like that, by all means go for it. Ideally, a 965M/970M can do most settings high with some ultra and get around avg 40-50 at 1080p. The 980M/980 (mobile) can do most settings ultra and get around avg 60fps at 1080p (hairworks off in all of these). Overclock any of them substantially and you can get upwards of 15-25% FPS improvement but not everyone wants to overclock their systems, so some people pay more for these higher end GPU configs when the mid range GPU configs could be overclocked enough to meet identical benchmark scores or even exceed them, but that's for an entirely different thread altogether.


EDIT: Any ROG notebook with a 960M is enough for +medium

antoine52200
02-18-2016, 11:29 PM
When you see the price drops on the g751 line you would be crazy not to go for a 970m... the witcher 3 isn't the only game you gonna want to play right?

Any game that will come in the next year, you will be able to play it at medium settings. With a 965m or less.. well, your laptop will run so hot, for so few fps... always try to get the best gpu you can afford, if you need to wait a couple of months to be able to afford it, then wait!

with a 970 you WILL enjoy playing your favorit game! at nice fps and decent settings! Don't waste your money on a old graphic card

antoine52200
02-18-2016, 11:33 PM
there is a 100 $ difference on this model between a 965m and the 970m! depending on your contry and where you buy it, you can even find it cheaper than this!

You would get a good CPU (4720) and you can always buy a SSD later on, and install it yourself! it will make a good gaming laptop with great cooling, a 17 inch G-SYNC overclockable panel to 100Hz, 16Go of RAM, 1 Tb HDD...

here:

http://www.amazon.com/G751JT-WH71-WX-17-Inch-GeForce-Version/dp/B015QZVAF2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455838247&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+g751+970m

To me this laptop is the safest/smartest buy when on a budget.

gabjiboji
02-19-2016, 07:34 AM
there is a 100 $ difference on this model between a 965m and the 970m! depending on your contry and where you buy it, you can even find it cheaper than this!

You would get a good CPU (4720) and you can always buy a SSD later on, and install it yourself! it will make a good gaming laptop with great cooling, a 17 inch G-SYNC overclockable panel to 100Hz, 16Go of RAM, 1 Tb HDD...

here:

http://www.amazon.com/G751JT-WH71-WX-17-Inch-GeForce-Version/dp/B015QZVAF2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455838247&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+g751+970m

To me this laptop is the safest/smartest buy when on a budget.


thanks yet again. where i'm from (romania), this laptop doesn't exactly fall under 'on a budget'. however, you are right, it would be a better choice on the long run. i will not buy a new device anytime soon. i guess now i have to decide whether to wait another couple of months to be able to afford it or just get one of the cheaper models sooner. Most places don't even have G751 on stock here anymore, i suppose they don't sell as well. but thanks :)

gabjiboji
02-19-2016, 07:36 AM
Lets put this to rest, because back in the day if any of you can recall, some CPUs like the A10-4600M were paired up with flagship GPUs at the time like the 7970M for example. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible CPU/GPU configuration, because when the CPU was at maximum load, the GPU wasn't (essentially, GPU performance bottleneck by the CPU). So FPS of equivalent GPU config notebooks showed just how much that piss poor of CPU choice was affecting average FPS! The difference was like 50%, but then again, it was a cheaper configuration than going Intel i7-3630QM/3940XM at the time. So you get what you pay for, enough said there.

If you want to do some reading on the MSI GX60 (older notebook) I was using in my example above, you can read about it here (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GX60-Notebook.86283.0.html) since this will answer how important CPU performance is with a gaming notebook.

Nowadays, most gaming notebook configs are using higher end CPU models paired with mid range/high end GPU models so max performance (no bottlenecks - shouldn't even being using this word here) can be attainable 99.9% of the time; Lower end gaming notebook configs still mostly use higher end CPU models, but the GPU models are usually mid range and this is where the cost in savings come from, the GPU, amount of system memory, SSD space, screen size/res, even brand!


For the sake of argument, let's say this:

A 2Ghz quad core CPU with a 960M vs 3Ghz quad core CPU with a 960M (say price difference is $150 between the two) of course the 2Ghz CPU model will run games fine, but average FPS will be down compared to the 3Ghz model. How much will it be down? It could be anywhere from a minimum of 30% to the 50% as mentioned earlier. So let's say the 2Ghz model gets 30fps and the 3Ghz model gets you 45fps. Is $150 worth that FPS improvement going with the faster CPU? You decide.

So to answer the question, will a 860M/960M play The Witcher 3 at decent FPS at 1080p? Unless you enjoy most settings at low/medium with some high at avg 30-40fps in a game like that, by all means go for it. Ideally, a 965M/970M can do most settings high with some ultra and get around avg 40-50 at 1080p. The 980M/980 (mobile) can do most settings ultra and get around avg 60fps at 1080p (hairworks off in all of these). Overclock any of them substantially and you can get upwards of 15-25% FPS improvement but not everyone wants to overclock their systems, so some people pay more for these higher end GPU configs when the mid range GPU configs could be overclocked enough to meet identical benchmark scores or even exceed them, but that's for an entirely different thread altogether.


EDIT: Any ROG notebook with a 960M is enough for +medium

This was helpful, thanks Dreamonic. It is now time for me to do the thinking and take a decision

nandodean
02-19-2016, 10:07 AM
It's easy; 960m gaming laptops are around 1000€ and move everything decently at medium sets.

970m gaming laptops are around >1500€ and move everything at high sets.

980m gaming laptops are around >2000€ and move every-maxed-freaking-thing

Obviously each configuration comes with a good processor that doesn't get the bottleneck role. That's why it's important the word "gaming" on the laptop. You'll find laptops with a 960m but a not-so-decent processor. Also the heat dissipation is way stronger on gaming laptops, which is important for the life of the CPU/GPU

clockworksatan
02-19-2016, 02:47 PM
I've been playing TW3 on my G751JT and can assure you that if you get a machine with a GTX970m you'll have no problems. It handles it beautifully at near-ultra settings. The ONLY setting that really impacts the frame rates is if you set NVidia Hairworks to be on all characters, so if you turn it off or set it so that it only affects Geralt himself it works just fine.

Get yourself a G751/G752 and you'll have a beast of a gaming rig that also miraculously manages to stay remarkably cool.

gabjiboji
02-19-2016, 03:31 PM
It's easy; 960m gaming laptops are around 1000€ and move everything decently at medium sets.

970m gaming laptops are around >1500€ and move everything at high sets.

980m gaming laptops are around >2000€ and move every-maxed-freaking-thing

Obviously each configuration comes with a good processor that doesn't get the bottleneck role. That's why it's important the word "gaming" on the laptop. You'll find laptops with a 960m but a not-so-decent processor. Also the heat dissipation is way stronger on gaming laptops, which is important for the life of the CPU/GPU

thanks

gabjiboji
02-19-2016, 03:33 PM
I've been playing TW3 on my G751JT and can assure you that if you get a machine with a GTX970m you'll have no problems. It handles it beautifully at near-ultra settings. The ONLY setting that really impacts the frame rates is if you set NVidia Hairworks to be on all characters, so if you turn it off or set it so that it only affects Geralt himself it works just fine.

Get yourself a G751/G752 and you'll have a beast of a gaming rig that also miraculously manages to stay remarkably cool.


thanks, it looks great but it is not the cheapest

amoso
03-17-2016, 08:11 AM
Actually this is a pretty good deal ASUS ROG GL552VW-DH71

amoso
03-17-2016, 08:13 AM
Check the details: http://pcgamerhome.com/gaming-laptops-under-1000/
ASUS ROG GL552VW-DH71
15.6-Inch IPS 1920 x 1080
Intel i7-6700HQ 2.6 GHz
1TB 7200 RPM
16GB DDR3
GeForce GTX 960M 2GB DDR

djr955
03-17-2016, 09:01 AM
Personally, I think you would regret going for the "cheapest" option you can find to play your current game choice.
Within a year I think you would be regretting your decision.
Personally I would save a little longer and aim higher, then you know that the next gen game will still run rather than then having to look again.

Ancients
03-17-2016, 10:34 AM
Here are two videos, both with ROG laptops, that will show what you can expect from a 960m and a 970m while playing The Witcher 3. A 965m would be somewhere in the middle.

960m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0cwZsNG5mg

970m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi7sCcmqXyk

gabjiboji
03-17-2016, 11:27 AM
Personally, I think you would regret going for the "cheapest" option you can find to play your current game choice.
Within a year I think you would be regretting your decision.
Personally I would save a little longer and aim higher, then you know that the next gen game will still run rather than then having to look again.


I know, you are right. It's not easy for me to save money, first of all cause my paycheck is not so phat. secondly cause... I lack the discipline. However I managed to get over myself and technically I should be able to buy a GL552VW (GTX960 4 GB, 16GB DDR4, 1TB + 128GB SSD) at the end of this month. And there are cheaper models out there that can play the game, so I kind of gave up the idea of getting the cheapest one.
All my life, the PCs/laptops that I had were always subpar and I never could play the games that I wanted, always just the low req ones. Now I sort of set TW3 as a reference point, thinking that if I can play this one, I can play others as well. I really like The Witcher and I have been dreaming of TW3 for a long time that postponing it for another 2-3 months (most probably) would feel like waiting for another whole year.
I'm this close, you know... and giving up right when I thought the waiting would be over feels like a major party pooping case to me.

However, I am considering the idea of saving more money cause I always find myself looking longingly at other models with higher specs and I think that I would regret not getting a better notebook. But at the same time, I am not a gamer gamer so I don’t know.

We’ll see.. 3 more months doesn't sound like much :rolleyes:

Thanks for your message

gabjiboji
03-17-2016, 11:28 AM
Here are two videos, both with ROG laptops, that will show what you can expect from a 960m and a 970m while playing The Witcher 3. A 965m would be somewhere in the middle.

960m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0cwZsNG5mg

970m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi7sCcmqXyk



thanks, I have seen the videos. At the moment i am set on getting a GL552VW (GTX960 4 GB, 16GB DDR4, 1TB + 128GB SSD)

gabjiboji
03-17-2016, 11:29 AM
Check the details: http://pcgamerhome.com/gaming-laptops-under-1000/
ASUS ROG GL552VW-DH71
15.6-Inch IPS 1920 x 1080
Intel i7-6700HQ 2.6 GHz
1TB 7200 RPM
16GB DDR3
GeForce GTX 960M 2GB DDR


thanks, I think I will actually get a GL552VW (GTX960 4 GB, 16GB DDR4, 1TB + 128GB SSD)