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Atovv
04-03-2016, 07:21 AM
Hello Guys

I have an issue with the Image Rendering in RealBench, my best score is 206K, but I was doing 195 - 198 K range.

I was trying to level up, so I installed my OS again. I was running Windows 8,1 Pro and now Ive installed same OS.

No hardware change or anything like it ... but know, Im doing 150K best score 160K.

I really dont know why my score went down.

Any tips or advice?

Gobe
04-03-2016, 09:12 PM
A few of us are scratching our heads on the image editing scores. I've max'ed the field at over 270,000 yet Arne, with the same basic equipment and NVMe setup is next best at around 252,000. 18,000 points is a HUGE difference and we just can't come up with a good reason for it. I do have DRAM that runs XMP at 3200 and 14-14-14-34, but I've turned it down and didn't lose much of anything.

Not that I'm complaining...

I'd be taking a close look at Task Manager to see if anything has somehow snuck into your diagnostic mode and might be stealing performance in your new OS installation. Definitely make sure Intel Speed Step/C-States are disabled. I know that just the other day, my AV started showing up in diagnostic mode where it previously didn't (I think I installed an update to the AV engine). I have to kill it manually as it really drags the benches down.

Atovv
04-04-2016, 02:19 PM
Hey Thanks I fix my issue. I had on Energy Setting on Balance Mode (Default) when re-installing the new OS. Now it in Performance Mode, and my CPU is at min. 100%, so its running as it should in the benchmark.

I want to get thru the 200K barrier in Image Rendering, I just cant. Dont know why.

5960X @ 4.7 GHZ, 4 Titan X @ 1510 mhz and 16GB (4x4GB) Kingston Predator @ 2667 mhz and timing @ 13-14-14-28-2T

With this setup I should be getting better Image Rendering Scores, but nope.

Any clues o tips, just for pushing further the Image Rendering Scores.

cekim
04-04-2016, 03:11 PM
Hey Thanks I fix my issue. I had on Energy Setting on Balance Mode (Default) when re-installing the new OS. Now it in Performance Mode, and my CPU is at min. 100%, so its running as it should in the benchmark.

I want to get thru the 200K barrier in Image Rendering, I just cant. Dont know why.

5960X @ 4.7 GHZ, 4 Titan X @ 1510 mhz and 16GB (4x4GB) Kingston Predator @ 2667 mhz and timing @ 13-14-14-28-2T

With this setup I should be getting better Image Rendering Scores, but nope.

Any clues o tips, just for pushing further the Image Rendering Scores.
Not looking at it at the moment, but when you say "image rendering" you mean the first test? If so, I've found it to be highly correlated to (in order):
1. disk speed
2. cache speed
3. memory speed

disk speed when running it "cold". Cache speed when running it for a 2nd or 3rd time as now the cache is warm and disk performance becomes less critical (though still bounding - I assume on the write side). A 950Pro and a cache as far above 4.0GHz as you can manage seems to be the key.

Arne Saknussemm
04-04-2016, 07:06 PM
This is intriguing...

This test does respond well to memory tuning...cache I'm not sure...

My RAM timings

14-15-15-15-1T / 4-6-260-8320-12-4-16-3-8-6-14 / 0-1-2-2-2-1-1-0-0-0-5-5-4-1-0-2

Maybe something down in second or third timings?

I ran 4.7 cache on that run still 18000 points off Gobe...I want those points! LOL

RAM quantity?

Gobe...mind posting up your timings and cache frequency? if not bench secret...

cekim
04-04-2016, 07:53 PM
This is intriguing...

This test does respond well to memory tuning...cache I'm not sure...

My RAM timings

14-15-15-15-1T / 4-6-260-8320-12-4-16-3-8-6-14 / 0-1-2-2-2-1-1-0-0-0-5-5-4-1-0-2

Maybe something down in second or third timings?

I ran 4.7 cache on that run still 18000 points off Gobe...I want those points! LOL

RAM quantity?

Gobe...mind posting up your timings and cache frequency? if not bench secret...
Is gobe still running with the 960? I wonder if we've hit a point where _something_ actually renders faster in software for lack of mondo GPUs or if he's actually doing raid0 950 pro (he has 2 in his specs), so his disk has electrolytes per plants craving ;-)

I hadn't seen much impact with 2800 cas 12 vs 3000 cas 14, but then, the CAS improvement should help with random access, so maybe that's why I didn't notice it. I traded speed for random latency and ended up in roughly the same place?

Perhaps more importantly (or not) is why I don't get any love from the realbench leader-board. I was #3 or so by top-score for a while and #5 more recently. I never saw my name in lights. ;-) (had to select all scores).

Gobe
04-05-2016, 02:45 AM
Hey guys.. working in Michigan till Wednesday night so I'm not able to take a look at things until I get back home.

(Arne, you want the 18,000? You can't handle the 18,000!) :D

My timings are 14-14-14-34 and I've not messed with anything secondary or tertiary yet. I don't get any benefit from dropping down to 13-13-13-30. I've managed to flirt with 12-12-12, but haven't really made any conclusions. I've even loosened the timings and not really lost anything. Go figure.

I've just recently managed to break the 270K barrier, but that was up at 4.9 GHz with the ice bucket. I can get around 268K consistently and that's whether I have my cache at 4200 or 4700. Actually, with the CPU frequency up over 4.8 Ghz, I hit 268K pretty much regardless of various settings. If I have a bench secret, it's a damned good secret, because even I don't know what the secret is. I'll try dropping from 32GB quad to 16 GB dual and see if anything happens.

cekim, I'm running dual 960 now and it makes no difference to the image editing whether I run one or two. My motherboards don't boot 950 Pro NVMe, so I don't run in RAID0, but I did set up for boot off a regular SSD and set up the 950 Pro's in RAID0 in Windows and ran the benchmark on the RAID0 and I got absolutely zero benefit from it. If anyone has any ideas for ways I can test, I'll be happy to give it a try.

cekim
04-05-2016, 05:34 AM
Hey guys.. working in Michigan till Wednesday night so I'm not able to take a look at things until I get back home.

(Arne, you want the 18,000? You can't handle the 18,000!) :D

My timings are 14-14-14-34 and I've not messed with anything secondary or tertiary yet. I don't get any benefit from dropping down to 13-13-13-30. I've managed to flirt with 12-12-12, but haven't really made any conclusions. I've even loosened the timings and not really lost anything. Go figure.

I've just recently managed to break the 270K barrier, but that was up at 4.9 GHz with the ice bucket. I can get around 268K consistently and that's whether I have my cache at 4200 or 4700. Actually, with the CPU frequency up over 4.8 Ghz, I hit 268K pretty much regardless of various settings. If I have a bench secret, it's a damned good secret, because even I don't know what the secret is. I'll try dropping from 32GB quad to 16 GB dual and see if anything happens.

cekim, I'm running dual 960 now and it makes no difference to the image editing whether I run one or two. My motherboards don't boot 950 Pro NVMe, so I don't run in RAID0, but I did set up for boot off a regular SSD and set up the 950 Pro's in RAID0 in Windows and ran the benchmark on the RAID0 and I got absolutely zero benefit from it. If anyone has any ideas for ways I can test, I'll be happy to give it a try.

Admit it, you put pine tar on your PCIe pins don't you? LOL

Gobe
04-06-2016, 02:09 AM
Admit it, you put pine tar on your PCIe pins don't you? LOL

No, but if I thought it might help, hell yea, I would!

cekim
04-06-2016, 03:52 AM
No, but if I thought it might help, hell yea, I would!
I saw that voltage you inflicted on your chip, I have no doubt. ;-)

Atovv
04-06-2016, 04:24 AM
Well I don't know what to do ! I cant breach the 200K score. My 5960X its @ 4.6 GHZ, maybe later ill put it in DICE, to lower the temps and push it to 4.9 - 5.0 GHZ @ 1.5 - 1.7 volts. I think my cache is the problem ... should I be @ 4.7 ?

So Image Editing ... its all CPU ! Ram Timings, SSD or 4X M2 950 PRO RAID 0 lol ! wont help?

cekim
04-06-2016, 07:29 AM
Well I don't know what to do ! I cant breach the 200K score. My 5960X its @ 4.6 GHZ, maybe later ill put it in DICE, to lower the temps and push it to 4.9 - 5.0 GHZ @ 1.5 - 1.7 volts. I think my cache is the problem ... should I be @ 4.7 ?

So Image Editing ... its all CPU ! Ram Timings, SSD or 4X M2 950 PRO RAID 0 lol ! wont help?
hmm, there has to be something else going on in your system.

I was in windows checking stability after a change (I got impatient with my longer stability test) I ran it 2x the first time was in the 190k range. The second was 223854. Here's my config right now:
CPU:Intel Core i7 5960X - Speed:1199.7 MHz - Multi:12.0 - Bus:100.0 MHz
RAM:1399.7 MHz (1:28) - 128GB - 14-14-14-34-2T
MB:X99-PRO/USB 3.1 - FW:2101 - Desktop
OS:Windows 7 Professional
GPU1:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980

Disk is an an 840 500G, no SLI , one card in there only.
Cache is 4.2GHz for this run.

Have you run something like aida64 to see if you are throttling at all?

Also check task manager make sure you don't have something chewing up your CPU (google drive, afterburner, etc...)

Gobe
04-06-2016, 10:21 AM
I'm going to try degrading each of the usual suspects one by one to see which ones eat into my 270K score and which ones don't.

Will try SATA SSD or even a spinner versus my NVMe 950 Pro. Also can back off the XMP 3200 down to 2166 and go up to 15-15-15 (or even higher) instead of 14-14-14. Can also drop the cache down toward 3500. Will also drop the CPU down to 4.6 from the 4.8/4.9 range to better match what a lot of folks are getting.

Out of all of these, I know dropping the CPU speed will have an effect, but will be interesting to see the individual effect of the others.

Arne Saknussemm
04-06-2016, 10:51 AM
DDR4 is very sensitive to secondary and tertiary timings as well as primary...

Gobe can you post up what your kit is setting in 2nd and 3rd?

I whittled my timings down one by one looking at AIDA benchmark...who knows if this is best for RB...or if there is some secret to an optimum relationship between them all....I am aware of RTL/IO but not had time to go into this.....

Atovv
04-06-2016, 03:34 PM
Gobe theres something magic with your setup ! lol

But this is really wierd, lisen to this .... I ran realbench hwbot version with a i7 6700K @ 4.7 ghz, with Kingston Predator 3000, a regular SSD ... with 1 MSI GTX 980Ti Lightning, and I was doing around 220K in Image Rendering ... I dont get it ...

Maybe there is somekind of instability with my 5960X and thats the reason of the scores.

My best guess is that the scores are some kind related to CPU/RAM issues ... when is not stable, low score .. im going to check that out

Arne Saknussemm
04-06-2016, 03:50 PM
The HWbot version is just that...a different version...different scoring...not comparable

cekim
04-06-2016, 03:51 PM
Just as another data point, I ran the same thing, but 4.7/4.2 vs 4.5/4.2 and it was about 236 vs 224 (at 4.5/4.2). That.s 4.4% speed up of CPU and 5.4% speed up of benchmark. Given that 1-% is total noise in windows, this seems pretty reasonable and linear in this range.

Gobe
04-07-2016, 11:06 AM
Just got back home... seems the airlines get all nervous about sending planes back out after they get hit by lightning. Had to drive the last 200+ miles through driving rain. Yuck. Will look at all the things folks think I should look at after I've rested up in the next few days.

Then I'll sell my secret to the highest bidder. lol.