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Apoapsis
07-10-2016, 06:06 AM
I just recieved a G751JT with Windows 8 installed, which I briefly upgraded to Windows 10. Are there any drivers that I should update to Windows 10 on the Asus support page? Any drivers that I shouldn't install, since I may have already installed a few?

Also, my BIOS is version 207. Should I even bother risking upgrading it?

JustinThyme
07-11-2016, 05:07 AM
Your BIOS is several revisions old, I would certainly upgrade it as 211 was the last one released in dec 2015.

Check your driver revisions against what is on the website listed for windows 10. If its the same, leave it be, if its not then update. I normally use most of their driver updates with the exception of the graphics that I get from Nvidia and the wifi and IRST that I get from Intel.

Apoapsis
07-11-2016, 06:31 AM
Amidst the horror stories of BIOS updates gone wrong, is there anything to look out for when doing an update?

Also, I've heard that ASUS only posts generic Win10 drivers on its support website instead of posting ones for their specific machines due to a lack of Win10 support for some devices. Is this actually anything to worry about?

Dreamonic
07-11-2016, 07:48 AM
BIOS updates are NOT to be considered like 'driver updates' for any stretch of the definition. Sure, some BIOS updates solve fan/temp problems to random BSOD/shutdowns, but if you aren't experiencing any of those problems currently with the version you're on, then stay with it! These 'updates' exist because of production dates on outgoing units where minor/major manufacturer changes in FW exist due to the order of batch 'field' testing with variety of OTHER components and hardware throughout the assembling process. This can be contributed by a test engineer or through end user feedback as later units are still being shipped.

It's not only risky in some cases, but imposes major downtime if something goes awry and you don't got means to correct it. I can say that I've flashed every version of BIOS available back and forth numerous times on my G751JY, mostly without issues using either Easy Flash, AFUWIN or FPT. You just need to be sure your system isn't overclocked, overvolted, undervolted, on battery only, during stormy weather, frequent power outs, random restarts or shutdowns, etc. There is still a chance even when all that is taken care of, that the BIOS boot block still gets corrupted from flashing to another version of BIOS (whether older or newer). You got to expect the unexpected.

So, to the question, will you notice a difference updating your system BIOS? Unlikely, unless it's addressing the fix in question you require.

I do a lot of BIOS/VBIOS modifications and not everything goes according to plan (although mine is mostly just through modifications). I've had bad flashes because of the nature of the modifications I've done which caused me to use my programmer on even my 980M (W25X40CL) SOIC BIOS chip and even my system SOIC BIOS chip (W25Q64FV) because of it. The point is, I have no worry as I can always correct this.

So I suggest for you to have a backup plan is all I'm saying before proceeding with updating BIOS (if you feel so inclined to do so now).

JustinThyme
07-11-2016, 12:42 PM
Well so much for my vote of knowledgeable.
Things can go very wrong turning your machine on or getting out of bed. BIOS revisions are made for a reason and its not purely fluff. Take the latest in the G752VY, nothing in the BIOS revisions said anything about fixing the slow boot time. Nothing in the previous one said anything about adding raid 0. The only way what was found it it addressed? update it!

Ive flashed BIOS literally thousands of times and not once has one bricked.......ever. The only time I've ever had an issue is flashing a VBIOS I got from voltground.com That rendered my first G752VY into a pile of junk from which there was no recovery follwoing the directions provided there precisely then later finding the author didnt even have a G752VY to test it on.

Dreamonic
07-11-2016, 04:33 PM
Actually the VBIOS you used was the same one MrRuckus and a few others used and they've had no issues. So why yours failed wasn't entirely VBIOS related for all I know as you told me you flashed your system BIOS beforehand. I got the PMs you messaged me about all that still. Nothing is certain and I post disclaimers and you accepted the risk. You even said I wasn't to blame and that you knew better than to do it.

I also apologized that it happened and wished you the best going forward with it. Which you were able to resolve. Was I a dick about it toward you? Did I ignore you? No, I tried to figure out what may have caused the issue.

So why the hate, because of my opinion on BIOS updates? Does it mean that's how I personally feel about BIOS updates myself? No, but I direct it that way toward everyone so it's not just taken so lightly that in the event something doesn't work, they were AT LEAST prepared for it.

EDIT: I put a lot of effort into my site and try my hardest to make sure nothing DOES happen. If you're so determined to make a difference on this ROG forum, why not open a thread of your own explaining everything about certain BIOS versions on every model that is undisclosed on the ASUS support page that you know about (maybe you already did). I'm sure people would really appreciate that.

You obviously are knowledgeable in your own field as am I with mine.

Apoapsis
07-11-2016, 05:20 PM
Well, aside from the drama (alleged, extant, or soon to exist), if I were to find a BIOS update desirable, what steps could I take to ensure a safe update? Recommended update methods?

Whether I update my machine's BIOS or not, I'd like to learn anyways.

JustinThyme
07-13-2016, 02:02 AM
Have everything set at stock, no over clocks. Charged up and plugged in. Ive used the asus winflash tool with no problems multiple times. My G752VY has been flashed back and forth a few dozen times with zero ill effects while I was trying to replicate issues others were having with earlier versions of the BIOS. As I stated before I've literally over the years flashed thousands of times and never had an issue until I tried a modded VBIOS. Machine was working perfectly before and would not make it through 10 seconds of anything graphic intensive after. Load up Firstrike and it locked up 5 seconds into the first graphics test. Returned it to default, it never recovered. Lesson learned and I take full responsibility for my stupidity of even trying it. Turns out not everything you read on the internet is true.
But even with that, there is a huge difference between flashing the VBIOS with a third party flash tool and VBIOS modded by a private individual and flashing the main BIOS with the manufacturers tool and approved BIOS.
I'm not going to tell you there is zero risk but will tell you that most bricked BIOS are caused by user error of impatience and interrupting the process before its done or using a modded BIOS.

Apoapsis
07-13-2016, 03:58 AM
The Intel Turboboost feature counts as stock, despite its OC-ish nature, right? I wouldn't have to disable it before flashing?

JustinThyme
07-15-2016, 03:09 AM
The Intel turbo boost is fine, its not really overclocking. Its just a feature to run the core at slower speeds for less energy consumption. There is a utility Intel XTU that some folks use to squeeze a few more clock cycles out or undervolt hot cores but thats not on your machine from the factory, you would have to intentionally download, install and configure that. Ive come to find that overclocking a laptop IMO is just not worth the headache to get minimal returns. Desktops are another story altogether.

xeromist
07-15-2016, 03:26 AM
Recommended update methods?

Win flash seems pretty reliable but if you decide to use a memory stick I'd use a smaller stick formatted with FAT32. In the past people have had problems with other formats. I'm not sure if this has been resolved.