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Simao
12-06-2016, 03:20 PM
Hi.

Im thinking in buy a new gaming laptop.
I like Asus, because was my first gaming laptop.
Im divided between Asus G752VS and the MSI GT73VR 6RE, both with GTX 1070 and I7 6820Hk.
I have read here and in another places reviews telling that the G752VS OC edition have overheat problems, hight temps, and hardware problems like the keyboard.
Are this problems resolved?

Some people here said that GT73VR is better. What do you think?

These are the specs of both models

Asus G752VS

I7 6820Hk
GTX 1070
32Gb ram
1Tb with 512Gb SSd (maybe in raid 0, according asus oficial web site of my country)
17"3 full hd screen, 120Hz, around 74% rgb color (again, according asus oficial web site of my country)
With the laptop came one backpack, asus cerburus headset, asus sica mouse
Price: 2300

MSI GT73VR 6RE

I7 6820Hk
GTX 1070
16Gb ram
1Tb with 256Gb M2 (i dont know what is M2)
17"3 full hd screen, 120Hz, around 97% rgb color
Price: 2370

Thanks to all

Armesis
12-06-2016, 04:52 PM
Truly i say to you, please do not buy an ASUS ROG laptop. Where do i begin? My G752VY is the most unreliable laptop/pc ive ever owned/built since the 1990s.

There is the famous, constant in game stuttering. Most games suffer them though not all. There is NO solution for this and many people have returned their laptops because of this, please look it up. Ive had my g752vy for about 5 months now and already the keyboard and screen have been replaced due to failure (also very common, this laptop is made in China), mind you, i treat this laptop very well, and it has almost never been moved since it was new. At the ASUS repair center there was a long queue of people sending in their laptops and smart phones, not a good sign. Ive had 2 Toshiba laptops before this and for the past 6 years, absolutely nothing has gone wrong with them, although theyve traveled with me all over the world and have been banged around ALOT (Airline crew).

Even 5 months down the road, i am still trying to find a solution, with no success. I would have returned it for my money back, months ago ,but in Malaysia where i am, there are no such things as refunds, returns, or generally consumer rights.

Besides the poor hardware quality fitted on these laptops, here are a few links showing how widespread the stuttering is -

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?56518-G751-Severe-Frame-Stuttering-Intermittently-on-Some-Games
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?58352-G751JY-DH73-frequent-regular-micro-stutter
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?58736-TWO-G751-s-same-problem-scared-of-ROG
http://www.overclock.net/t/1608930/asus-rog-strix-gtx-1070-low-fps-and-stutter
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1908260-Gaming-Notebook-Asus-ROG-GL771JW-T7098H-Severe-Stuttering-as-soon-as-a-game-starts
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89283-playing-almost-any-game-is-unbareable-please-read
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89273-Asus-G752VY-gaming-experience-not-smooth
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89027-g751-hanging-issues-repair-shop-issues
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89184-Asus-G752VY-Q72SX-CB-lag-at-60-70-fps
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89066-G752VS-Black-and-Pink-Screen-on-startup
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?87605-I-need-advice-how-to-proceed-for-G751-JY-keyboard-and-freezing-issues

Notice on all these ROG threads, no one can seem to help them?

These are only a few problems, there is light bleed on the screen, the also famous ROG popping sounds from the speakers, and just too many other issues i dont have the strength to type about. My advice, build your own gaming rig if you really dont need a laptop. If you do need a gaming laptop, i suggest Alienware or MSI instead, the only reason so many people buy ROG laptops is that its the cheapest option. I made that mistake and i regret it everyday. (Where i am, the ASUS ROG is much cheaper than MSI or Alienware)

Not all games suffer from the stutter, but most do. It really is a game breaker. Seriously, please do not make the same mistake as i did.

Buggsy
12-06-2016, 05:32 PM
I've had my ROG G752VS for about 3 months now and I've been very happy with my gaming experience. My biggest complaint(s) are all based around Asus support. In summery, I have higher expectation for support on a laptop that I spent $2300 USD for. Dell and HP have much better support, even if its hard for me to understand their accents.

G752VS
I7 6700HQ
16GB RAM
GTX 1070
512 GB NVMe SSD
1 TB SATA HD

Looking at your two options, I *still* like the Asus over the MSI for the value of the hardware and, personally, I liked the appearance of the Asus more too. I also have to say though, that because of the support issues, I do not know if I will buy another Asus laptop next time.

As a foot note, do not go by the specs on either MSI or Asus's websites. I stress this because the laptops you buy can vary greatly depending on where you buy them. For example, my laptop *could* have a 120 Hz screen, but the place I bought it from was selling them with 75 Hz screens. That didn't bother me, but it might bother you. The place that you buy either laptop from is the place you should get your specs from.

And as if you needed more information, I bought this laptop for my brother in law. He loves it. I only used it for a day before I gave it to him, but I liked it a lot to. It's about half the weight of either laptop you are looking at. The biggest problem I had with it was that I hate the track pad with the integrated buttons. Give Gigabyte a look too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834233175

Jon G
12-06-2016, 10:23 PM
If you have the money get the ASUS G701 w/ the faster, better GTX 1080 GPU, it'll cost more but be well worth it in the long run!

Simao
12-06-2016, 11:02 PM
The Asus G701VI is good, but the version available cost much, around 3700€.
What do you think between this two models?
Thanks

MaxG73jh
12-07-2016, 06:11 AM
I'm also looking to get a newer rig and need some suggestions. I've been thinking about a newer ROG but really dislike the internal battery and I've heard/seen more bad things about these new gen than I think all other ROG laptops combined. As far as not buying a ROG - I've owned many, they have all been solid.. especially the G750 series (bulletproof). I would like something newer but I'm kind of sketchy about the issues I've heard with these later ones. Maybe someone can clarify which models to watch out for / what issues come with them...

In any case I would strongly recommend not buying brand new if that's what it will cost you. Do you NEED a laptop or just prefer them? I mainly use ROG because they are all around excellent and I get great deals on them, but if I were wanting the latest and greatest and had to pay full retail I don't think it would be my top choice - you'd get a far bigger bang for your buck building your own pc or ordering a premade, but I'm sure you already know that. I got my G750jm's "new out of box" with 2 years warranty for practically nothing... Those are the best deals to watch for, unless you only want brand new.

MaxG73jh
12-07-2016, 06:38 AM
I prefer ASUS to MSI for many reasons, but it comes down to your personal preference on looks/style and small details. In almost every comparison I've seen between ASUS ROG vs MSI models with identical hardware, the ASUS not only performs better but has better features - fan noise is quieter, cooling is better and evenly distributed (no hot hands, hot keyboard ect), battery life, ect ect... They will both perform almost identically it's just preference. MSI has been praised for their laptop internals being easier to get at also, among other things.

If you have it boiled down to a handful of models you are interested in, google around for reviews and comparisons. Almost every high end gaming laptop has been covered at one time or another and if they are similar enough you can often find VS pages comparing the 2 directly. *Speak of the devil, heres a link with a direct comparison between the original two you were interested in :

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Face-Off-MSI-GT73VR-vs-Asus-G752VS-vs-Alienware-17-R3.173596.0.html

My problem is I can't boil it down to the models I want, I kind of just have to research them all -.-


Edit: It's actually funny how closely that comparison page reflects what I wrote... It's the same story just repeated. On these particular rigs the MSI actually performs better, if you are set between the two I'd say go MSI 100% (and I almost always prefer ROG). The MSI scores higher on almost every bench, has a superior display, easy internal access, and a big one, 4k support. Other than that it's the little differences I mentioned - Asus was slightly cooler, MSI had hotspots ect, but it looks like these issues have been mitigated compared to many of the others I've seen where it was LARGE screen/heat/fan noise/ect differences. Here the "issues" are almost not worth mentioning, almost as cool/quiet.. The MSI uses alot more power but who runs these on battery anyways.

If they are close to the same price my vote is for the MSI :)

MaxG73jh
12-07-2016, 07:38 AM
Armesis -

What region did you buy yours from? Did you buy it online or locally?

It honestly seems like the quality greatly differs on ROG laptops depending on the region. That should be pure nonsense since they are all manufactured the same way, same parts, same factory (I assume), it's hard to imagine so many are fine with no issues and some come out as Lemons if they are all made under identical standards. That's a shame you can't return it.... does that mean you also effectively have zero warranty even when buying brand new?

Armesis
12-07-2016, 09:34 AM
Armesis -

What region did you buy yours from? Did you buy it online or locally?

It honestly seems like the quality greatly differs on ROG laptops depending on the region. That should be pure nonsense since they are all manufactured the same way, same parts, same factory (I assume), it's hard to imagine so many are fine with no issues and some come out as Lemons if they are all made under identical standards. That's a shame you can't return it.... does that mean you also effectively have zero warranty even when buying brand new?

Im in Malaysia, bought locally for about USD2100. The back of the laptop says 'Made in China'. ASUS is Taiwanese, which is very close by. It came with a 2 years warranty, but since there are no consumer rights here, refunds are not possible. So far the screen and keyboard have been replaced, its actually the first time ever ive had to go to a computer service center since ive owned computers from the 1990s.

Sorry for the original, long rant. But that just shows how much suffering this laptop has brought me. There is not much stuttering on games like BF4 (still abit though) or SW Battlefront, but for some others it can be game breaking. Its hard to take advice from others because sometimes we need to experience things first hand, but i sincerely hope you buy something else instead, just look it up online. This problem is very widespread, i really do envy those who do not have this stuttering problem. Everyday i am still looking for a solution.

Edit - Ive just had a thought, to those who dont experience the stuttering, do you guys play alot of games on your laptop? It doesnt seem to be very prevalent on A title games like the BF series, Battlefront, etc. I have about 310 games on Steam/Origin combined so i do play a large variety of different games. For most of them, the stutter is there.

Simao
12-07-2016, 02:16 PM
I was also thinking in whait for the new G753 with the Kaby Lake, but i think we dont will soon laptops with kaby lake. Asus launch right now the GX800 with a I7 6820HK, one month before the CES. This can mean, "maybe", that the kaby lake processors dont come in the beginning of the year.
My only doubt about the Asus is:

How are the temps in extreme mode?
Can handle overclock in 4 Ghz?

Buggsy
12-07-2016, 04:18 PM
Edit - Ive just had a thought, to those who dont experience the stuttering, do you guys play alot of games on your laptop? It doesnt seem to be very prevalent on A title games like the BF series, Battlefront, etc. I have about 310 games on Steam/Origin combined so i do play a large variety of different games. For most of them, the stutter is there.

So far, these are the games I've played. None have had stuttering issues:
Age of Emipers II: HD Edition
Cities Skylines
FTL
Watch_Dogs
Batman: Arkham Knight (played the most of all games)


My System:
G752VS
I7 6700HQ
16GB RAM
GTX 1070
512 GB NVMe SSD
1 TB SATA HD

Simao
12-09-2016, 07:16 PM
In this moment, the two laptops mentioned before, are at the same price. What do you think is better to pick? What have better hardware?
I really need your help.
Thanks

Clintlgm
12-10-2016, 03:11 PM
Seems you already stated they had the same hardware, its really do you want to Cadillac or Lincoln Ford or Chevy get the one you like and don't look back.

Simao
12-10-2016, 03:39 PM
Seems you already stated they had the same hardware, its really do you want to Cadillac or Lincoln Ford or Chevy get the one you like and don't look back.

My concerns with the asus are about the overheat, high temps on cpu, and when overclocking.
It is the only thing that are hold my choice.

Clintlgm
12-10-2016, 04:23 PM
Well you in an Asus user forum we all like Asus, If you go to the MSI user forum they will like the MSI personally I think Asus has the very best Cooling system of them all, I don't think any other manufacture comes close. That's just me though

Armesis
12-11-2016, 09:38 AM
Simao, i dont wanna get pushy but i beseech you, please do not buy a ROG. There are too many unsolvable problems, if only you could experience what i did first hand. Again, this is the worst machine ive had since building pc's from the 1990s till now. The stutter is still very prevalent on most games, and can be game breaking.

ASUS motherboards and cards are good as ive always used them in my builds before, but their gaming laptops are broken. Please go for Alienware or MSI, or anything else. I sincerely wish you the best in your future purchase, whichever it may be, no one should suffer these unsolvable problems.

Gustave
12-11-2016, 10:22 AM
Simao, i dont wanna get pushy but i beseech you, please do not buy a ROG. There are too many unsolvable problems, if only you could experience what i did first hand. Again, this is the worst machine ive had since building pc's from the 1990s till now. The stutter is still very prevalent and most games, and can be game breaking.

ASUS motherboards and cards are good as ive always used them in my builds before, but their gaming laptops are broken. Please go for Alienware or MSI, or anything else. I sincerely wish you the best in your future purchase, whichever it may be, no one should suffer these unsolvable problems.


I'd go for Asus all the way.

Been using their products for more than 15 years, motherboards, laptops, (gaming)notebooks. Never been dissapointed.

Armesis
12-11-2016, 10:41 AM
I'd go for Asus all the way.

Been using their products for more than 15 years, motherboards, laptops, (gaming)notebooks. Never been dissapointed.

Thats sounds good, but many other people including me do not have the same experience. Can you maybe help out on our stuttering problem? This is widespread and people have returned their laptops because of this.

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89283-playing-almost-any-game-is-unbareable-please-read

Some more for reference here -

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...-on-Some-Games
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...-micro-stutter
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...-scared-of-ROG
http://www.overclock.net/t/1608930/a...ps-and-stutter
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-a-game-starts
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...le-please-read
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...nce-not-smooth
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...ir-shop-issues
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...g-at-60-70-fps
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...een-on-startup
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...reezing-issues

Rentard
12-11-2016, 06:07 PM
Truly i say to you, please do not buy an ASUS ROG laptop. Where do i begin? My G752VY is the most unreliable laptop/pc ive ever owned/built since the 1990s.

I have to second this. Mine has been horrendous from the start, and I think it needs an RMA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5hr4by/asus_more_like_assus_rog_and_intel_suck/

Next time I buy a laptop it will be something easier to service yourself like Clevo/Sager, maybe Lenovo since their support is better, maybe a business-class HP (shame they only use quadro's).

The only thing good about ASUS is the quiet fan and efficient cooling. Not that useful when your product is chock full of issues!

PS: I can confirm the stuttering issue. Despite the good cooling, it's still not enough for a 45w cpu and a 1060 which is essentially the desktop part. The cpu hits 100 and throttles, and the GPU seems to throttle around 76C (so that it stays around 76C). Is very annoying to die in Titanfall 2 with a guy in your crosshairs just because the throttling kicked in at a retarded time in a retarded way.

MaxG73jh
12-12-2016, 02:00 AM
I already gave my opinion just based off the comparison and review/testing done on them, the MSI looks better between the two and I always use ROG because it's well..... almost always better. You will be fine picking either one but where are these heating issues everyone is talking about coming from?


I'm wondering how in god's name you guys are getting up to 100 degrees C and complaining about throttling? You should be using GPUTweak every time you play ANY game with the fan set to full and if you aren't, well idk what to say. There is no way you are hitting 100C unless you are overclocking far past recommended specs for LONG periods with fans on low. What conditions are you putting it under to reach this heat/throttling state?

OP - You're worried about cooling on the ASUS? The ASUS has the best cooling by far.

Armesis
12-12-2016, 09:18 AM
I have never overclocked any of my machines. The laptop stutters even when i play games like Rome Total War, Oblivion, Running with Rifles, etc. Low demand games from the 2000s. If this $2100 laptop cannot handle it without overheating and stuttering, something is very wrong, or the '3D cooling' doesnt actually work. My 5 year old Toshiba satellite laptop can run games fine without stuttering like this. Come to think of it, this is the first time ive ever experienced such stuttering on a laptop/pc before. Also, before owning this laptop, ive have NEVER been to a laptop/pc service center. It really is an annoying adventure, and i will stand by my opinion that these are sub quality laptops.

Dreamonic
12-12-2016, 10:58 AM
I've modified a lot of ROG Notebooks over the years and I understand the frustration and experiences here so I'll shed some light on this for everyone.

Every model has it's own quirks, and with that one critical piece is the root of the commoner - temperatures. This ALWAYS stood out the most to me in every ROG notebook disassembly I've done, and that's the heatsink assembly is always resting cockeyed! Due to the design (if 3DVC model) and overall dimensions ASUS use for their G751 and G752 heatsink assemblies (which have the most problems with temperatures). There is so much room for error in handling and assembling these notebooks because of their massive one-construction-design heatsink assemblies.

Are CPU/GPU temps high? Hovering near throttling limits of 95C at stock clocks even? (100C if temp activation offset in BIOS set to 0). Performance not as advertised? Feel like your money went to waste with your ROG purchase? Absolutely understand the experience! The problem is that ASUS doesn't train technicians to "troubleshoot" these RMA requests about your notebook problems at their service centers. In fact they just replace your recently purchased "new" parts with refurbished ones so the turn around time is more desirable to you (very rarely are new parts used as replacement in this process).

Does the heatsink assembly make proper contact? It requires a disassembly and a checklist to complete - order of process - easiest and cheapest options first.
I've had to bend so many heatsink assemblies at their heatpipes ever so gently so that they rest as flat as possible on the components below in almost every ROG Notebook I've purchased. I've gone even to the point of using a dremel tool to reduce the mounting points (before affecting threads) of the bottom bracket to lower the heatsink assembly that much further downward. To go as far as even removing the brass plated prong springs around the VRM area of a GPU in the newer G752 models and visually noticing the heatsink assembly making better contact. Sometimes it's not just a repaste but further intervention!

Is there ever a problem with just the heatsink assembly? Not usually, in fact I was recently helping a fellow ROG member out who had temperature issues. Having gone down this road before and through the extensive list I've made in the past like checking fans (ramping speed up with EC registers), repasting with better TIM, doing an intake mod, even dremel tool mounting points, readjusting heatsink assembly - rinsed and repeated - to addressing the higher temps it did, but the gains of the lowered numbers weren't as beneficial as other attempts. Why is that you might ask? As my last suspicion, it was dud heatpipes in the heatsink assembly. So another one had to be purchased and that solved everything! Things like this can be overlooked by ASUS employees who work on these ROG Notebooks because it's time based! I've mentioned it before and I'll mention it again, they need to further educate their division and teams who handle their ROG Notebook lineup, so that down the chain, these problems can be easily addressed!

Take a look at the newer G701VI model, the entire bottom part of the chassis can now be removed exposing the entire heatsink assembly, instead of an entire notebook disassembly to get there. This makes for easier upgrading and maintenance now... hopefully they stick with this kind of design in their future ROG Notebook models.

Typically, temperature related issues are almost ALWAYS tied with whoever assembled your notebook. Sure you might get horribly binned CPUs and GPUs that have higher ASIC voltage, but improper care with handling and mounting of the heatsink assembly, to the amount of thermal compound used throughout the notebook assembly, is the cause of it. In fact, why ASUS doesn't even properly test each unit with an ACTUAL stress test to stamp it with a seal of approval based on the report BEFORE allowing into the distribution channel is beyond me.

Most people don't have the necessary tools, skills or even time to take on doing these kind of modifications to avoid going through RMAs even (and they shouldn't have to as a customer), as RMAs too present a problem if the ASUS service technicians aren't actually addressing the same hardware if they are simply replacing it with another working one - refurbished - which may have it's own problems and so the cycle continues through further RMAs. It goes deep and because ASUS is such a big company who sells in volume (cookie cutter), despite each person and their experiences, whether negative or positive, doesn't mean their notebooks are terrible just because of what is posted on the forums. A lot of people who've had positive experiences aren't likely to register here to post how well their systems are running, but some do.


The point of all of this was, there are ways to combat these issues should you be the DIY type, or if RMA is an only option for you, to understand the leniency you must have in the return of your new to <used> product. By going with another brand of notebook, you take on the problems inherited with it. Some people just get better assembled notebooks than others do. Surely do extensive testing after purchasing and depending on the store or online vendor, if it's not performing as advertised in stock configuration, return it or exchange it for another one. Not much else can be done about it.


EDIT: After all my G752VS cooling mods and heatsink assembly adjustments, just to reference for anyone else curious about potential performance, running FIRE STRIKE at "STOCK" configuration (and a few open applications). This is the result for CPU and GPU temps:

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11059699
(http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11059699)
No, the notebook was not cooled by an AC unit or placed in a freezer; The G752VS overclocked FIRE STRIKE results are in my signature.

Buggsy
12-12-2016, 04:57 PM
I want to add to this whole topic, that you cannot judge a product solely on the bad reviews. I don't mean to take away from people that have had a bad experience, but if you only consider the bad reviews, you'll never some to a decision. I guarantee that if you go to the MSI forums, you'll find plenty of people that are unhappy and had to return/exchange a laptop. If you go to a Chevy forum, you'll find people that hate their brand-new cars. If you look at yelp for a popular restaurant, you'll find people that got sick and hate it.

I've had some bad experiences, but I'm not ready to swear people off of Asus ROG. Why? Because in the end I get an awesome gaming experience, with about the best and quietest cooling I've seen on a laptop.

Armesis
12-12-2016, 08:18 PM
I want to add to this whole topic, that you cannot judge a product solely on the bad reviews. I don't mean to take away from people that have had a bad experience, but if you only consider the bad reviews, you'll never some to a decision. I guarantee that if you go to the MSI forums, you'll find plenty of people that are unhappy and had to return/exchange a laptop. If you go to a Chevy forum, you'll find people that hate their brand-new cars. If you look at yelp for a popular restaurant, you'll find people that got sick and hate it.

I've had some bad experiences, but I'm not ready to swear people off of Asus ROG. Why? Because in the end I get an awesome gaming experience, with about the best and quietest cooling I've seen on a laptop.

That sounds nice, but unfortunately there are alot of people who do not enjoy awesome gaming experiences with it, but rather endless misery (like mine). Could you help with our problem maybe? There are numerous threads on the net, but no one seems to be able to solve it -
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89283-playing-almost-any-game-is-unbareable-please-read
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89495-screen-tearing-stutter-lag-in-single-player-games

m3ntaL
12-12-2016, 11:07 PM
I think with 1070 and desk cpu, you better go for some clevo or msi, if you can repaste it with no guarantee issues. i got g752vm(1060 + hq cpu) in a month and no issues. pleased with quality and the low temps.hope that will help with the lifespan. max temps - gpu 75-80, cpu 80-85 on some push benchmarks (not sure about the values, Ive run it on its default/auto setts). 7 mb/s torrents on wifi and dota 2 or some new cod simultaniously... that's enough for me :)

JustinThyme
12-13-2016, 04:00 AM
Just my opinion of course but if you really want an awesome experience dont buy a laptop at all. Does it really have to be portable? None of them are exactly light. None of them perform on battery power, regardless of who makes it and when you do run them as hard as they will go (which is about half throttle) you get 45 mins tops out of a full charge.

If you are just looking for a small form factor consider the G20 series.

If you are looking for ultimate experience, build your own dektop.

Problem with any high end laptop is heat. The G700 is the only one that comes close to handling it but its a lot to pack around.

Buggsy
12-13-2016, 02:20 PM
That sounds nice, but unfortunately there are alot of people who do not enjoy awesome gaming experiences with it, but rather endless misery (like mine). Could you help with our problem maybe? There are numerous threads on the net, but no one seems to be able to solve it -
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89283-playing-almost-any-game-is-unbareable-please-read
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89495-screen-tearing-stutter-lag-in-single-player-games

I was actually the first reply to that user. Either he didn't try my suggestions, or he didn't say they didn't work. Either of the two fixes I listed have solved a lot of people's problem. And if Asus can't fix it, then it's time to insist on a replacement. You should do the same if your new laptop is useless for gaming.
I'm honestly not trying to take away your opinion, but I'm trying to add that these bad experiences do not speak for the entire user base.

Armesis
12-13-2016, 08:07 PM
I was actually the first reply to that user. Either he didn't try my suggestions, or he didn't say they didn't work. Either of the two fixes I listed have solved a lot of people's problem. And if Asus can't fix it, then it's time to insist on a replacement. You should do the same if your new laptop is useless for gaming.
I'm honestly not trying to take away your opinion, but I'm trying to add that these bad experiences do not speak for the entire user base.

I tried the first one, and the second one is not applicable to my case ( i dont have any autodesk products). Still the problem persists, i'll keep looking for solutions. Please keep posting on the thread if you have any ideas, thanks.

Rentard
12-13-2016, 08:45 PM
I'm wondering how in god's name you guys are getting up to 100 degrees C and complaining about throttling? You should be using GPUTweak every time you play ANY game with the fan set to full and if you aren't, well idk what to say. There is no way you are hitting 100C unless you are overclocking far past recommended specs for LONG periods with fans on low. What conditions are you putting it under to reach this heat/throttling state?

I don't overclock, and if someone tried to overclock my stuff, I'd ban them from my house entirely. Stability is a must, and ECC is a must.

When left alone, the cpu hits ~96c in prime95. Games like Titanfall 2 should not be running the cpu hotter than prime95...
When I limit the speed of the cpu to 2.3ghz, the temp is 80c max and the throttling isn't as noticable or often (again, the gpu seems to throttle itself to not pass 76c).

I think this is a two prong problem: asus does not seat the cpu heatsink properly (anyone repasting theirs has said you need to buy a copper shim or it won't contact) and insufficient cooling when both parts are fully utilized.

Even so, asus cooling does seem to be very efficient and quiet, but it's still not enough. I can tolerate that crap cause it's a laptop after all and I also have a much better desktop, but ASUS seems to have a lot of other issues and you should not need to fully disassemble to pull/replace battery, ram, clean the fans, etc. I HATE machines that act like they have a ghost haunting it.

BogdanCiulei
12-13-2016, 09:16 PM
After owning a G752VS for a couple of weeks now, I can say that I can see the micro-stutter in some less demanding games ( contrary to what you would expect ) and even in desktop mode, with windows animations , when maximizing for example.

Monitored with GPU-Z and it seems that this is caused by a too aggressive power management policy on the Nvidia GPU. It always tries to down-clock to 139 Mhz, which is not enough to do most things - my desktop resolution is also UHD as are set the games I tried. The GPU does UHD gaming very well, except for this problem.

I am not sure why this only happens on ROGs and not on desktops or other laptop brands, after all they all do power saving. The most probable cause is poorly done drivers.

Anyway, I think the problem can be at least eased by setting max performance power management from the Nvidia Control Panel ( which of course is undesirable to have as a permanent setting because it keeps the GPU running full speed and will wear it down sooner )

Can other people try this and confirm you see an improvement ?

Buggsy
12-13-2016, 09:48 PM
I tried the first one, and the second one is not applicable to my case ( i dont have any autodesk products). Still the problem persists, i'll keep looking for solutions. Please keep posting on the thread if you have any ideas, thanks.

Just take a look at this instructions from Autodesk. Just substitute your application (like a benchmark app, your video game...) instead of "Autodesk Composite". It's the one way to be 100% sure that you are getting your GPU and not using the integrated graphics.

Armesis
12-14-2016, 01:09 PM
Just take a look at this instructions from Autodesk. Just substitute your application (like a benchmark app, your video game...) instead of "Autodesk Composite". It's the one way to be 100% sure that you are getting your GPU and not using the integrated graphics.

Strange, i do not have Option 2 - Set the desired graphics processor for this program.

I only have the 1st and 3rd option. Many people in thread have the same problem...

Edit - Apparently Asus have disabled the integrated graphics processor for the G752 series

"Asus has it disabled for a reason it uses the GTX card only as its a gaming laptop. Intel graphics card cannot be enabled , Optimus is an awful feature to have on a gaming laptop only causes problems"

This quote was from here -https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?85039-Possible-to-Enable-Asus-ROG-G752-Integrated-Graphics

Buggsy
12-14-2016, 02:47 PM
Strange, i do not have Option 2 - Set the desired graphics processor for this program.

I only have the 1st and 3rd option. Many people in thread have the same problem...

Edit - Apparently Asus have disabled the integrated graphics processor for the G752 series

"Asus has it disabled for a reason it uses the GTX card only as its a gaming laptop. Intel graphics card cannot be enabled , Optimus is an awful feature to have on a gaming laptop only causes problems"

This quote was from here -https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?85039-Possible-to-Enable-Asus-ROG-G752-Integrated-Graphics

That's awesome! Optimus has been the bane of gaming laptops, even though it was basically created for gaming laptops. It's usually a BIOS setting, but most laptops don't seem to open access to disable it that way.

Armesis
12-14-2016, 08:58 PM
We can get that out of the way then. The search for a solution continues.

Buggsy
12-14-2016, 10:10 PM
We can get that out of the way then. The search for a solution continues.

I don't want to hijack this thread anymore than we have. However, it seems that you have unfortunately been stuck with a known issue with the GTX 1070. It doesn't matter if it's a laptop or desktop chip, MSI or Gigabyte, it's just randomly some GTX 1070's suffer. Last I saw about that was that nVidia was working on a solution. This is new enough that anyone with a 1070 should still be in warranty. Insist on a replacement (refurbished) laptop. I think that's the quickest solution as nVida has been working on this for months.

Tyceon
12-15-2016, 02:26 AM
If you have the money get the ASUS G701 w/ the faster, better GTX 1080 GPU, it'll cost more but be well worth it in the long run!

Seriously DON'T buy one of these if your in the UK unless you like your screens looking like this : http://imgur.com/66oJqJk

That is supposed to be a black picture full screened. That was the second G701VI I've tried, the first one was exactly the same and lasted 4 days when the screen actually popped : http://imgur.com/pqhvEAi

Extremely poorly built screen frame =( Very sad as I love the look and feel of this laptop - Going MSI this time around, Maybe next upgrade I'll try another ROG Laptop.

Armesis
12-15-2016, 09:07 AM
I don't want to hijack this thread anymore than we have. However, it seems that you have unfortunately been stuck with a known issue with the GTX 1070. It doesn't matter if it's a laptop or desktop chip, MSI or Gigabyte, it's just randomly some GTX 1070's suffer. Last I saw about that was that nVidia was working on a solution. This is new enough that anyone with a 1070 should still be in warranty. Insist on a replacement (refurbished) laptop. I think that's the quickest solution as nVida has been working on this for months.

My G752VY has the GTX980M. It was only 2 weeks after i bought the laptop did Nvidia announce the new 1000 series lol. This is the nature of pc gaming, walk out of a shop with your new machine and it almost immediately becomes obsolete.

@Tyceon - Yes i will never purchase another ROG laptop, but to be balanced i will say that ASUS desktop chipsets are very good. Ive been using them since the 90s and have never had any issues whatsoever.

Buggsy
12-15-2016, 01:53 PM
My G752VY has the GTX980M. It was only 2 weeks after i bought the laptop did Nvidia announce the new 1000 series lol. This is the nature of pc gaming, walk out of a shop with your new machine and it almost immediately becomes obsolete.

@Tyceon - Yes i will never purchase another ROG laptop, but to be balanced i will say that ASUS desktop chipsets are very good. Ive been using them since the 90s and have never had any issues whatsoever.

Oooh, I guess I knew that was a possibility, but I forgot. With a 980M, try to remove the ROG Game First application. It's a network traffic prioritization application, but it is known to cause strutting for some.

Armesis
12-15-2016, 06:18 PM
@Buggsy

That was probably one of the first things i ever did, 5 months ago...It might have helped abit though (cant remember), either that or im simply getting used to the constant stuttering lol.

MrRuckus
12-15-2016, 07:25 PM
@Buggsy

That was probably one of the first things i ever did, 5 months ago...It might have helped abit though (cant remember), either that or im simply getting used to the constant stuttering lol.

Hey Armesis, I have the same laptop you do, and have never experienced this stuttering issue. I have run in to a few black screens when loading games but it turned out to be a conflict with an RDP program called teamviewer which I use for work that was running in the background. Have you changed anything hardware wise on the laptop since it was purchased? It almost seems like a HDD loading/stuttering issue from the youtube video that was posted in one of the threads. But I myself have not run into it and load games from my steam library which is on the 1TB mechanical drive.

Have you tried to run furmark by any chance to see if it occurs while running that? Thats a pretty small program that will load the GPU down and shouldn't be bound by any HDD stuttering.

Armesis
12-16-2016, 08:42 AM
Hey Armesis, I have the same laptop you do, and have never experienced this stuttering issue. I have run in to a few black screens when loading games but it turned out to be a conflict with an RDP program called teamviewer which I use for work that was running in the background. Have you changed anything hardware wise on the laptop since it was purchased? It almost seems like a HDD loading/stuttering issue from the youtube video that was posted in one of the threads. But I myself have not run into it and load games from my steam library which is on the 1TB mechanical drive.

Have you tried to run furmark by any chance to see if it occurs while running that? Thats a pretty small program that will load the GPU down and shouldn't be bound by any HDD stuttering.

No nothing was changed hardware wise at all, nor have i attempted any overclocking either. All my games run from either Steam or Origin and are installed on the 1TB HDD as well. Im downloading Furmark now, will test it later and i'll let you know the results, thanks.

fyi games do run very smoothly on this laptop at max settings, SW Battlefront, BF4. Basically 'A' title games seem to run fine. Its other games that stutter to varying degree. The worst is Running with Rifles, an old game yeah, but still...

FonzieBulldog
12-16-2016, 09:14 AM
Had two laptops from Asus in form of the Rog G752VT and G752VS but sold them both when i didnt like these small laptop gaming screens.Didnt use them a long time but when i should sell the G752VS who only was used for some short time i found out on the last upstart that there was a strange line across the screen who didnt go away.Strange quality for sure when payed around 3200 dollar for the G752VS.My hardware updated desktop Asus G20CB is a whole other story with BIG quality in a nice case with some nice light to.

Armesis
12-16-2016, 01:33 PM
Had two laptops from Asus in form of the Rog G752VT and G752VS but sold them both when i didnt like these small laptop gaming screens.Didnt use them a long time but when i should sell the G752VS who only was used for some short time i found out on the last upstart that there was a strange line across the screen who didnt go away.Strange quality for sure when payed around 3200 dollar for the G752VS.My hardware updated desktop Asus G20CB is a whole other story with BIG quality in a nice case with some nice light to.

Yeah i had the pinkish line thing as well, over time it became worse until ASUS changed the screen. They keyboard was also going bad so they changed it too. Took only 3 days.


@MrRuckus -

I did the FurMark test under max anti alaising, 1080p HD, res 1920x1080 - The GPU temp only went up from 53C to a steady 67C, with a SCORE:4324 points (72 FPS, 60000 ms)

No stuttering at all and it was smooth as butter. Also a comparatively decent score. While this is good, i still dont know why it stutters on some games :(

Any thoughts?

Hitchy
12-16-2016, 03:00 PM
No nothing was changed hardware wise at all, nor have i attempted any overclocking either. All my games run from either Steam or Origin and are installed on the 1TB HDD as well. Im downloading Furmark now, will test it later and i'll let you know the results, thanks.

fyi games do run very smoothly on this laptop at max settings, SW Battlefront, BF4. Basically 'A' title games seem to run fine. Its other games that stutter to varying degree. The worst is Running with Rifles, an old game yeah, but still...

Try running your games from a SSD maybe? And to complete the test try cloning your hole HDD to an SSD and see if theres difference... Thats my little contribution to you

Good luck

Buggsy
12-16-2016, 04:17 PM
Hey Armesis. Just a thought. I know you have posted this before, but I don't know where anymore. Please list the old games that don't work well.

Armesis
12-16-2016, 06:20 PM
Hey Armesis. Just a thought. I know you have posted this before, but I don't know where anymore. Please list the old games that don't work well.

Running with rifles - very bad stuttering
TES Oblivion - stutters sometimes, mostly right before an arrow hits an enemy
7 days to die - random stuttering
Rome total war - random stuttering
Fallout new vegas - random stuttering, lasts abit longer than normal

The games that dont stutter -

BF4 - Not that much at all with the new drivers
SW Battlefront - no stutter
killing floor 2 - no stutter
Borderlands 2 - no stutter

I have alot more games in my library, more installed, but i really dont actually play them. Creature of habit...

@Hitchy - Ive got about 300GB worth of games installed on the HDD and the SSD is only 128GB :(
I will try to install some games on the SSD and see if theres a difference, but im expecting it will still have problems. People with the same problem with mine have done exactly that and have had no success. I'll try it and will update you, thanks.

Buggsy
12-16-2016, 09:18 PM
Ahh, so at a glance those are mostly (or all) DX9 games. That's rough. DX9 was not transitioned gracefully. Firstly, have you tried this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3oatuw/those_of_you_gaming_on_windows_10_heres_how_i/

I'm not sure off hand how to improve that, but I have a copy of Oblivion that I can install and play with. Is it possible within any of these games to change the video render settings?

And secondly, check out tool like this.
http://www.traynier.com/software/steammover

It's just a tool to copy your games around and make symbolic links. Install your games to the SSD and move them to the HDD when you are done. I had a 128 GB SSD, and kept about 1 game on at a time. Well a big game, I had things like FTL on it without any consequence.

Armesis
12-17-2016, 02:25 PM
@Buggsy

The Timer Tool utility didnt make a difference, the current timing was 15ms, and went to 0.5ms whenever any game was run anyway.

The second solution to move steam games into the SSD seems to have done the trick though :)
I moved Running with Rifles and Oblivion to the C: SSD and it runs very smoothly with no lag whatsoever! Although this does not fully solve the problem (why do they lag on the D: HDD???), maybe i can play older games on the SSD and newer ones on the conventional drive, since they do not suffer this...

I dont know whether to celebrate or to feel even more confused at this point, im just burned out with all this over the months. I'll put Rome Total War onto the SSD and see how it goes.

For now at least, thanks for you help Buggsy. If you dont see me around these forums anymore, that will be a good sign. Cheers!

Buggsy
12-19-2016, 03:10 PM
I'm glad to hear that you have a solution, but that only raises new questions. I would suspect now that something is possibly wrong with the HDD. Spinning disk is plenty fast enough for games like Oblivion. Try a program like Crystal Disk Mark and see what kind of performance you get from the HDD.

Hitchy
12-19-2016, 04:21 PM
@Buggsy

The Timer Tool utility didnt make a difference, the current timing was 15ms, and went to 0.5ms whenever any game was run anyway.

The second solution to move steam games into the SSD seems to have done the trick though :)
I moved Running with Rifles and Oblivion to the C: SSD and it runs very smoothly with no lag whatsoever! Although this does not fully solve the problem (why do they lag on the D: HDD???), maybe i can play older games on the SSD and newer ones on the conventional drive, since they do not suffer this...

I dont know whether to celebrate or to feel even more confused at this point, im just burned out with all this over the months. I'll put Rome Total War onto the SSD and see how it goes.

For now at least, thanks for you help Buggsy. If you dont see me around these forums anymore, that will be a good sign. Cheers!

Glad to see that my little advice helped you :)

To push things further and understand why your HDD causes those stuttering , you should check what mode is your HDD under UEFI BIOS : is it IDE ou AHCI? It should be AHCI but we never know... But dont do under this for now, enjoy your experience and test to see if things are right for at leat a weak before trying understand what causes stuttering from HDD!

Enjoy your ASUS Gaming experience ;)

Armesis
12-22-2016, 10:44 AM
Glad to see that my little advice helped you :)

To push things further and understand why your HDD causes those stuttering , you should check what mode is your HDD under UEFI BIOS : is it IDE ou AHCI? It should be AHCI but we never know... But dont do under this for now, enjoy your experience and test to see if things are right for at leat a weak before trying understand what causes stuttering from HDD!

Enjoy your ASUS Gaming experience ;)

Thanks for that, i can now really enjoy these games for once lol. I'll check that out and see whats what.

@Buggsy - I'll try that out too, but for now im just taking a holiday from all this lol. Enjoying the games for once :)

Vastus9001
12-22-2016, 08:16 PM
I've had my Asus G751JY for a little over three months now. I've definitely enjoyed my time with it. The first laptop i've ever purchased was the Asus GL502VT. It had horrible overheating issues which I then found out is a huge problem with that laptop. I quickly spend a bit more to upgrade to the Asus G751JY and was not disappointed. However, the first one I bought had a stuck pixel on it which I found out was a common problem. I returned it and got it exchanged. Luckily the second one had a beautiful screen and I was good to go. This is my first laptop i've ever purchased and also it is the most expensive electronic I have ever purchased. It performs like I needed it to, it's amazing. I love the GTX980M performance, and I love the mean look of my laptop.

I also like to do Custom PC builds for people who have a budget in mind but don't know the best things to choose for the computer. Feel free to get in touch with me if you want to build a Wish List.

Merry Christmas!