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DJFulcrum
12-31-2016, 09:00 AM
Winners of the Battle #3 just have been announced! Thanks everyone for your participation, and here are the chosen ones:

1st Prize – ROG Goodies Box (filled with a ton of exclusive ROG swag)
Yuten - Dota 2
2nd Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
DaRkKenX - League of Legends
3rd Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
TenshiLX - Dota 2 + LoL
4th Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
Hadid21Vpro - Dota 2

More details on the article - so hit the link (http://rog.asus.com/articles/giveaways/rog-forum-battleground---battle-3-winners-announced/).

Congratulations to you all!

TenshiLX
12-31-2016, 09:53 PM
Thankyou!

Congratulations to all the winners and people who participated in this giveaway.

From Estonia, which New Years will hit in 6 minutes, I wish you a Happy New Year and to have a great time at your home with your family/friends/spouse or whoever you are with.

Have a good time,

TenshiLX

geronimo8
01-01-2017, 06:55 AM
Winners of the Battle #3 just have been announced! Thanks everyone for your participation, and here are the chosen ones:

1st Prize – ROG Goodies Box (filled with a ton of exclusive ROG swag)
Yuten - Dota 2
2nd Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
DaRkKenX - League of Legends
3rd Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
TenshiLX - Dota 2 + LoL
4th Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
Hadid21Vpro - Dota 2

More details on the article - so hit the link (http://rog.asus.com/articles/giveaways/rog-forum-battleground---battle-3-winners-announced/).

Congratulations to all the winners. The entries are definitely a good read.

Bahz
01-01-2017, 01:07 PM
Congrats to all the winners!

I just wanted to mention there were too many good answers so we took the top 30 best answers and randomly picked 4 winners, we made sure everyone who spent the time to provide a good answer had an equal chance to win.

Happy New Year and good luck to everyone with the rest of the campaign!

Omnisentient
01-03-2017, 09:02 AM
Well, for me I really don't like to compare which one is the best MOBA game because I play DOTA, LoL and Smite. I chose Dota because it's my first ever MOBA game since when I was a kid. I started playing that game and I grew up with it seeing it get mature and improve ever since. I also remember that before we can buy Aegis hahaha. Defense of the Ancients 2 for me is the number one MOBA game because it is well-balanced. The heroes are awesome. They have unique skills that can be enhanced by buying items. You have to be the best at making strategies to be one of the top players out there. Maybe someday you'll see me play in Majors. That's my dream. DOTA 2 IS THE BEST MOBA GAME.

DOTA is also the very first moba I played. I believe I was in high school when I started playing it. I remember those days when denying your own creeps will turn you into a chicken. I became really addicted to DOTA but I never got really good at it. I haven't tried DOTA 2 yet but I believe not much has changed? And good luck on your dream. :)

Omnisentient
01-03-2017, 09:09 AM
There is always this misconception that different MOBA players hate each other, but that's just a small majority of the community. We are after all gamers and thus most likely competitive in-game and in the real world, so we feel that need to compete with others regarding our titles we choose to play and love and that's what keeps our favorite titles on tip of there toes to impress and keeps the development cycle active giving us great games in return.

I've been playing DOTA since ice frog was the one and only king of MOBA. So as the game evolved I evolved with it and for me especially looking back I can't believe how far the game has come. For the amount of things that stayed the same, the things that changes just keeps me coming back for more. The excellent mechanics and balance (there has been issues :o ) and the community that just keeps getting bigger and bigger makes all the matches a challenge forcing you to up your game and adapt to a ever changing dynamic. That's why DOTA is king and so many other titles copied that same song and dance to compete with it on a global stage.
Yeah, I honestly don't get those people who have to insult others for playing a different moba game. I had an old friend who was being a prick to us because he plays DOTA and we played LOL. It's as if he's just upset that we're not playing with him on his favorite game. I think people have the right to choose whatever title they feel like. Is Ice Frog no longer working on DOTA 2? I'm not really updated with what's going on there. I stopped playing DOTA during the time the phoenix was released, and I've been avoiding DOTA 2 for a long time now because I don't want to get addicted to it.

Omnisentient
01-04-2017, 02:14 AM
Still dota2 is the best. One of MOBA genre creator works on it. This game is completely free and open- all heroes are there for everyone to play. This game is more mature than others, no silly oversized boobs and silly childish skins because its seruius game with serijus character saving world. Also this is team game where in LOL one champion can win all game, in Dota2 only a team play can win. But i think most eill agree, Dota2 has been changed and not for the best. I dont play it for some time. I dont want to buy compendium all the time, but most prpblem is bad players where pkaying 1h match and 1 bad olayer in team and you start regret wasted time. I remember when game were in beta, so much good players, lot of events.

Ah yes, one of the things I dislike about League of Legends is that you have to buy the champions to be able to use them or wait for them to be available on the weekly rotation. While I understand that it's their way of discouraging players to use complicated champions, I still feel like making them available to practice whenever is a much better system. Hm, while League of Legends maybe easier to play then DOTA, I don't really believe that one champion can carry an entire team. Teamplay is still very important in League of Legends.

Omnisentient
01-04-2017, 02:17 AM
Matter of taste. Dota 2 is a bit harder than LoL since it has more mechanics (turn rate, denying, runes, etc) and I felt like the heroes were more balanced than the champions in LoL, but LoL was much easier for me to get into.
Both are very hardcore games with a steep learning curve, but LoL seems a bit more casual than Dota 2. Dota 2 on the other hand is much more rewarding and actually managed to keep my interest for two years now, while I got bored by LoL after 6 months.
But ultimately it comes down to personal preference.

I would play both of them but if i have to Decide i have to take Dota

I very much agree with this. It seems that League of Legends intentionally wanted their game to have faster matches, and for it to be easily learned by anyone. While DOTA requires a lot of knowledge and practice. I don't believe that a "harder" a game is the better it is. Sometimes that's a bad thing. So at the end of the day, it's really up to your personal preference, if you want a challenging game or if you want a more relaxing game.

Omnisentient
01-04-2017, 02:22 AM
I've played Dota since 2007. There were no other MOBA games that was popular as Dota during that time, so I assume Dota is the first successful MOBA game internationally, especially in China and SEA region. Correct me if I'm wrong. So, for me, Dota 2 is the best MOBA games. There would be few reasons why I choose Dota 2, and they are:

1. The developer

Dota is one of the oldest MOBA games that always receive updates, and improvements since 2003. What really make the game stand out is that the developer listens to the player. They were plenty of developers involved in making this game, but the one that really listen and well known, is known as Ice Frog. What really make the game stand out is that the Dota community is deeply involved in the making of the game. I still remembered some of the heroes are made based on community's suggestion. One of the was Puck. For me, this is the reason why Dota is one of the game that stand strong until now.

2. Game mechanics

This will always be my first reason on why I played Dota 2. Dota 2 have a more complex mechanics. One of them is denying our own creeps to deny our enemy's gold and experience. This complex mechanics really make the game to have a very high degree of freedom to play. What I mean by that, there will be extremely large combinations of heroes and play styles that can win the game. Almost everything can work. This can be seen on competitive matches lately. Currently, out of 110 heroes pools in Captains mode that are possible to be picked, almost 95% of them are picked and this was just about matches from now like Boston Majors, to 8 months ago! This really shows that there are literally countless of possible combinations and all of them can work. They also keep adding and improving the mechanics.

3. Dota 2 community

Most games will have toxic players and I can't deny that. Even Dota 2 is one of them. But, most of the toxic players in Dota 2 are not like in the other games. Most of them are "funny" and made me laugh as Dota 2 community mostly made up of people that really like dank memes. Even some of the toxic behaviour get recorded and turned to be memes and get posted on the internet. I love this community, full of xd, ez game, mid or feed, etc. ;)

I can see this game will continue to grow in the future with the current trend.

Yeah, I don't think there were any other moba around the time DOTA was popular. While the map's idea itself was taken from a custom Starcraft map, DOTA map is the one that became really popular. A developer that listens to their player is a good thing, although it can be a bad thing if they get pressured to do something that ruins the game just because a bunch of people are whining about something. The statistics you mentioned is very interesting, it makes me wonder if there is something similar for League of Legends' champions.

Omnisentient
01-04-2017, 03:17 PM
Dota 2. Though my heart is begging me to actually say:"DOTA 2 EZ GGWP!!!"

Well let's breakdown what "best" means:
1) Overall enjoyment
2) Game design
3)Upkeep and Improvement
4)Visuals (Graphics)
5)Community and how it's controlled

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Man, finding a decent match in original DOTA was a pain in the ass. I'm honestly thankful that they decided to create their own game, causing other MOBAs to appear. Having their own system really made finding a match easier.

Are there only few skillshots in DOTA? League of Legends didn't have much complex mechanics, but now that you've mentioned it, I realize that a lot of champions in League of Legends has a skillshot-based skill. When my friends told me about LoL and told me about the summoner skills. I honestly thought it was a bit lame that champions have the ability to flash for free, even in and out of combat.

Omnisentient
01-04-2017, 03:25 PM
One more thing about why Dota 2 is really special and why it's a heavily community driven game.

1. Dota 2 have custom games just like the old days in Warcraft engine that uses World Editor. Dota 2 allows other people to create it's own game using Dota 2 Workshop tools! Currently there are plenty of custom games that are very fun to play, plenty of tower defense games, RPG games and even LoL mod is in Dota 2. For me, it's really good for people who want to take a break from playing Dota 2 without leaving Dota 2 client.

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2. Dota 2 also allows other people to create their own cosmetic items and submit them into the game. When accepted, they can get some commission based on the sales. People can even make serious money in the game.

Wow, I wasn't aware of this. This means players can play those other custom maps from Warcraft III again? Provided that someone created it for DOTA 2. I would honestly love to play Hero Siege and it seems it has been recreated there. Another favorite custom map that I would love to see recreated on DOTA 2 would be GOH or Guild of Hyppos. I'm not sure if anyone here has played that but it's pretty addictive. And ah, It's nice of them to actually give money to those who suggest good cosmetic items. I wish something like that was applied on League of Legends too.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 12:33 AM
Well, for me, it's always been DOTA 2, ive played dota since elementary school, that was when dota was based on warcraft 3 frozen throne. And now i really enjoyed DOTA 2 more than ever, it teaches you how to cooperate with people around Asia (since im Indonesian), there are lots of trashtalk most of the time during the game, but to me its what makes the game alive. Sometimes you argue the whole game about who's fault for causing the team to lose, no supports whatsoever. But yea then again, it's lively and fun. Other coll things about dota is that, there is never the strongest, either the person nor the DOTA heroes. In-game hero is always constantly changing (abilities, stats, and items) and there is absolutely no domination over who's the best player, cause its not a 1 on 1 game, its a 5 on 5, it requires team work.
Tournaments are so far the biggest in fan and prize. And the thrill to be there watching, supporting, and cheering for your team is just one of those best memories you have. Even thought i personally dont get the chance to be at the International (biggest dota 2 tournaments), streaming the games at home with friends is simply joyful.
Another cool thing about Dota is that you can also play some sort of mini games or custom game, in which you can either create a game or play someone else's game. There is also a custom made items for in-game heroes. This feature lets you create and design items as much as you imagine, then upload it to DOTA 2 community for voting, and highest vote get their items to be featured and posted for selling.
Last but not least, the game. It has many things in common compared to LoL or HON, only to me, DOTA requires more skills and mostly teamwork. The map are mostly the same. DOTA heroes are harder to control and master (meepo, invoker, magnus,etc). No matter how skilled you are, or how high your reflexes is, it still goes down to team communication, initiation, and plans. But dont get me wrong though, individual skills also matters, like alot. The graphics are way better than LoL and HON, which makes your eyes glittering with astonishment.
I've learned many so far with DOTA, including english, patience, solving situation, how to lead, carry and sometimes be the sidekick of the game, and not to give up even in most desperate times.
So, i hope this inspire you in the least to sneak a peek on DOTA for those of you who hasn't got their hands on DOTA and try the game. And Chill, there's also a ranked system called MMR, a bit challenging i suppose. Thats it from me, see ya.

I started playing DOTA from Warcraft 3 at an early age too. The game is honestly more fun if you play with classmates or friends. Instead of playing alone. I don't know about "no strongest" but there was a time here when everyone was using Shadow Fiend and dominating with it all the time. Although I heard that that is not the cast with DOTA 2, so it seems that they're doing better with balancing their heroes now.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 12:57 AM
DOTA 2 may be the most popular MOBA games, but I think the graphic is already outdated. Now I love Paragon more because the graphic is really nice with the latest Unreal Engine 4 technology.
You can play Dota2 with low ends PC/Laptop( dual core, dx10 vga and 4gb Ram will runs fine) but to play Paragon you definitely need a ROG Class Laptop/PC.
My point is, if you have ROG PC/laptop then what for you keep spending more time with old DX10 games when there is a newer better games. We need to move on.

Whoa, I just looked at the trailer of this and it looks pretty amazing. The graphics is stunning and in addition to that, it is also in third-person view, which is my personal favorite style. I got to admin, after all the replies here about DOTA 2, it made me want to try it. But seeing this game, I feel like I'm more tempted to play this one instead of DOTA 2. I'm glad you mentioned it. I hope the game has good servers and it keeps growing.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 01:03 AM
There's reason for that. Not everyone could afford high end gaming rig. There's a survey that Steam conducted, and guess what, the most used GPU is GTX 970, which is at 4.9% of the overall players and it's still extremely small. Based on current trend, GTX 750 Ti will take over that place soon. Here's the link to the conducted survey: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

My main point is, they don't make Dota 2 graphic outdated without any logical reasons. They set a constraint to game graphics at specific level, (preferable lowest as possible but not too low), thus lowering the barrier to entry, so that more players can play the game, even with potato rig. Even when you want to create a cosmetic item, there's specific number of polygons allowed before you can submit it into the game. Being able to reach out more players is much more important than having a good graphics. But that's my opinion, feel free to give your own ;)

You make a good point. Targeting a bigger audience to sell your product is always better. Although, it's not like the users can't adjust their settings. DOTA 2, if they wish, could make the game have really stunning graphics that can only be played by those with really high-end PCs. (I don't know if that already exists, because I don't play DOTA 2). And Paragon could add a low graphic settings, so that it can be played by people with low-end PCs. But with that said, it means that Paragon cannot rely on its good graphics alone. The gameplay has to be good so it can be appreciated even by players who can't enjoy the realistic graphics.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 05:18 AM
The best MOBA, not an original, but a new entry to the genre, Paragon.

Why Paragon? Though a game still in development, but playable, it is rich with what is missing in the traditional mix. It is competitively paced, it promotes teamwork and allows a player to customise his/her own individual playstyle. It took the good elements which made its competitors shine, and improved on them. It is the best game in its MOBA stable as opposed to the lacklustre Battleborn.

Since the game is still in development there is much to resolve, especially the balance, but the cards, character and Paragon points add a uniqueness to the overall quality. It also speaks to FPS players which is unreluctantly to place their time at MOBA’s like LoL and Dota2, like me which had a disastrous experience at LoL.

From strength to strength.

Good point. I know some friends who are really bad at MOBA games but are good at shooter games. I'm the opposite but I still do enjoy shooter games. Paragon seems to be a combination of MOBA + Orcs Must Die gameplay. I think this game needs to be advertised more if they want more players to join. They should add their game on Steam at least.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 05:22 AM
In my opinion, i think LoL is better than DOTA2. I've played LoL for 2 years and played DOTA2 maybe only 10 games. For the gameplay,I think LoL harder than DOTA2. Coz, LoL prioritizing Skill first. For the example skillshot on LoL you have to aim the target manually. Another case in Dota2 you can use skillshot automatically (my experience playing Luna Moonfang). So, in this case i think DOTA2 easier than LoL.
Other reason why i love to play LoL is there are many interesting changes each patch(buff/nerf to champion skill/item) which is made that game more interesting. I dont know DOTA2 has same / more interesting features than LoL.
Thanks for reading my opinion, all comments welcome within reason.

Sorry for my bad English 😞😞😞

I played a lot of League of Legends too but I'd have to disagree that LoL is harder than DOTA 2. The mechanics for DOTA 2 is way more complex. Honestly, I feel like the only thing that is "hard" for LoL are the skillshots, other than that, nada. But that's what make League of Legends good too. It can be enjoyed by anyone easily without needing to learn a bunch of things. Although personally, I wish LoL would get complicated over time, at least add denying your own minions.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 05:27 AM
Initiating a skill or skill shot in dota 2 depends on which hero/champion you are using, I play both games (around 4800 hrs on dota, around 500 hrs on LoL and to add, maybe around 6000 hours on dota 1 which is both LoL and dota 2's base game). LoL is fun and fast paced because the game mechanics are pretty much easier than dota.Dota/dota 2's game mechanics are harder, can't explain cause there are tons of reasons, there are even pro games reaching 2 hours. Also both games surely do those interesting changes which are both the same.

Conclusions is:

1. Both game came from 1 root which is dota 1.

2. I think it's not that valid to compare LoL and DotA 2 since they are different from each other, they have vast differences on game mechanics.

3. Both are fun

4. For me, Both LoL and DotA 2 communities are currently supporting each other, which is supposed to be from the start.

5. As of now, due to recent patches of both LoL and DotA 2, DotA 2 is currently the best MOBA game. This might change in the future since most games are evolving thru time.

Sidenote: Most Dota 2 Community is hating LoL because of the pendragon incident, if it didn't happen, both community will be at peace and will be called literally sister games because of their root.

Jeez, two hours? I don't watch League of Legends professional games but I don't think any of them have reached two hours. Not saying that's a bad thing, but that's got to be stressing if you're the player. My personal record of longest match must be 1 hour at most, and that already gave me a headache. Wait, so are DOTA 2 community supporting or hating? And if I may ask, what's the Pendragon incident? I haven't heard about that one before.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 05:31 AM
I think I have to disagree with the easy and skillshot part.

The difficulty of the game really depends on various factor including the hero that you chose. Luna is on of easy hero as she only have 2 active spells. Also, in my opinion, including easy hero is good to encourage new players to play the game. Imagine when you are new to Dota 2, and the only way you want to win the game is to master 4 active skillshot abilities. I bet most of the new players will run away after playing 1 game. That is why there are certain heroes have easy skill set and some of them have hard skill set.

For skillshot abilities, there are currently 112 heroes playable in Dota 2. Some of them are really easy to play and don't have skillshot ability like Luna, the one that you've played. Luna have 2 active abilities and 2 passive abilities and none of them are skillshot abilities, unless you bought an item that can change one of your ability which is Aghanim Scepter, that will alter Luna's ultimate, or the 4th skill. There are plenty more heroes that have skillshot abilities but most of them are hard to play. If you really want to play heroes that have skillshot abilities and want to aim the target manually, try Pudge. Pudge first skill is a skillshot ability, known as hook. This ability is the same as Rocket Grab on Blitzcrank in LoL. Based on my observations, all MOBA have skillshot abilities and non-skillshot abilities depending on what heroes/champions/etc you chose.

Also, there are pros and cons on both skillshot abilities and non skillshot abilities which I'm not going to explain since it might took a very long explanation that would not contribute to the discussion here.

One more thing, I think all MOBA games do release updates and patches regularly. Most of the patches include buffs, nerfs, item changes, just like you mentioned.

Since it seems you have played both and are familiar with DOTA 2 and League of Legends, which do you think has more heroes/champions with skillshots? Of all gaming mechanics, skillshots is one of my favorite. Back in DOTA days in Warcraft 3, I used to play Pudge a lot because of the meat hook, I also used Clockwork but, I liked Pudge more. So when I switched to League of Legends, I immediately tried to find a champion that can pull an enemy using a skill shot, and that's how Blitzcrank became my main.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 09:05 AM
Well i dont know where to start first. Ive been playing League of Legends for almost as long as i can remember, i remember playing it while it was still new on the year 2009(cant remember the month accurately) because my friend suggested that we play something new. Ever since then i got hooked playing until now, even though at the past i went on a hiatus playing LOL i find myself playing it again and again because its so much fun to play. now lets talk about who's the best. Well for starters Riot really outdid themselves with the UPDATES and consistency with their Game, what i mean is, it is really difficult to make a game, UPDATE it for the better and be consistent at the same time, i really feel Riot is paying attention not just for its players but for the game as well, There is something with this game that we gamers cant get enough of, This is probably one of the main reason why LOL is on top to-date. Let us go over to DOTA2/DOTA(to me its the same game) The Godfather of all MOBA games, The MOBA game that started all MOBA games. DOTA is arguably the best MOBA game(before LOL), ive been playing it since i was in highschool. our favorite past time, here in the Philippines, we take our DOTA gaming very seriously, even to the point that we even competed to earn money from it. How? we create 2 teams with each team consisting of 5 players and then we collect or we raise pot money e.g. each player shall raise 50 pesos/2 USD(latest exchange rate as of today) and then which ever team would win, they would have rights to the pot money where they will divide it depending on how much that player raised, so for example a player raised 50 pesos/2 USD if that player's team win, he would get a total of 100 pesos/ 5 USD. PLUS! bragging rights! You see MOBA games for me is a battle arena where we showcase our skill level and knowledge in order to play and WIN. that is the main point of MOBA games is to win.so in order to win you have to have the necessary skill set to use or play the game to your benefit and beat the competition, and these two Titans have served that purpose and served it well. With that said it is really hard to choose WHICH is the best MOBA game because i feel like they are both great games and really fun to play alone or with friends. But in my opinion League of Legends has a SLIGHT advantage against DOTA(for now). Just the marketing of how Riot sells the game is brilliant, i mean look at it this way, the prize money for DOTA 2 is way higher than LOL esports, probably one of the highest prize pool for esports today, BUT. with that said, League of Legends is still on top so probably for now The best MOBA game is League of Legends. But then again, for how long? Will DOTA regain it's throne again. The real question now, is. When?

I have never gambled when it comes to MOBA although I've had friends who made a lot of money from it. I just don't think I'm good enough to bet money on myself. The most risky thing I've done was battle with some college students when I was in high school. Luckily, we won. There were no bets but we really assumed they would be way better than us that time. I feel like involving money is too risky, not just because you'll lose, because I've heard about riots and killings happen just because the losing team became so frustrated with their defeat.

Omnisentient
01-05-2017, 09:14 AM
Since this thread about matter of Opinion of every Individual, I believe many people might not agree with my statements.
However,
I will go with League of Legends as best MOBA game (for me).

I do realize why most people consider DOTA 2 over League of Legends as better MOBA and reason it with "DOTA Came first", "League is a copy of DOTA", "DOTA is harder than League" etc, I believe that most of these points doesn't mean that League of Legends is worse than DOTA.

While it's a matter of fact that DOTA did came before League, it doesn't mean that the game inspired by an already existing game is worse than it.
And I believe "DOTA is harder than League" is incorrect statement and I would rather prefer the term "DOTA is more punishing and complex than League".
Unlike League, dying in DOTA is much more punishing and it can get to the point where stronger keeps getting stronger and weaker isn't able to catch up anymore.
But that doesn't mean that DOTA is "BETTER" than league just because it's more punishing.

On contrary, I believe what makes the game better than another depends on "If you are having fun playing the game or not".

As I said before, everybody have their own opinions and experiences with both games.
Everybody have their own preference and might find one game more fun than another.

In my case, I found League of Legends more fun to play from my experiences so far.
I find the gameplay, simplicity, champ's skillsets, smoothness etc of League more fun than other MOBA games.
Also, knowing that even if you get behind in game, you can catch up to others quickly if you play well keeps up the positive attitude in the game.
I believe that the game's community plays a big part on your experience with the game, and surprisingly I found playerbase of League much better than DOTA, (Based on my experience, can be different for others)

In DOTA, majority of the players I played with took the game way too seriously were toxic which made the game experience much worse than my experience in league.

Now I'm not saying that one should not play their best in the match. But if one is to take the game too seriously itself, it's not longer played for "fun" or "entertainment" which it was meant to be.

For me, I found that entertainment in League of Legends, therefore for me it's the best MOBA game out there.

It bothers me when people act like DOTA is the very first MOBA ever. It isn't. So people can't really use the argument that League of Legends copied DOTA, because DOTA itself is a copy of a game - a custom map on Starcraft. And you're right, just because something isn't the "first", it doesn't mean it's not as good. In fact in real world, most popular brands of products are just "copies" and the original ones rarely become popular. That's just how it works.

While I love League of Legends, I'd have to disagree with you and say that DOTA 2 is harder. You said it yourself that it has more complexity and it is more punishing, thus logically making the game harder. My point is, yes, DOTA 2 is harder, but League of Legends is still hard to master.

Omnisentient
01-06-2017, 06:09 AM
Clearly DOTA. When you get to MOBAs like League and Heroes of the Storm everything is a cut down version of what they think are the relevant/fun features of the genre. Those 2 in particular turn every character into a nuke (you press your buttons and all characters have similar, balanced ability damage to each other) so everyone essentially plays the same way. Whether you're Soraka, Riven, Diablo, or Zagara you're really the same as anyone else. I can't tell who's using an ability sometimes since they all look the same.

But you get to DOTA and suddenly there are multiple unique styles where the heroes have individuality, personality, and interconnecting backstories. All of that and non-gimped gameplay. People may *like* League/HOTS/Smite/Paragon, which is fine, but all of those are just watered down MOBAs hidden behind grindwalls to unlock all of the characters/stat boosts (runes/cards)/game modes and paywalls for the skins. It's not really a debate. :cool:

While I agree that League of Legends only applied simpler mechanics than DOTA, I don't think it is THAT simple that all champions are very similar or have similar play style. Maybe some champions have big similarities like Renekton and Riven, but if I remember correctly, DOTA also had similar champions like Sven and Wraith King. The champions on League of Legends also have unique play styles, they also have bakcstories, aka lore. Some of them even say different things/taunts when facing a specific champion.

Omnisentient
01-06-2017, 06:14 AM
now now.. a lot have said that LoL is more popular than DOTA, but in my country, out of the gamer in my school, only one guy plays LoL. Many favored DOTA for some reason. First, DOTA 2 platform might be easier to get and managed. Second, most of gaming-centers in my country provides DOTA 2, and other games, e.g: Point blank, Paladins, etc, but no LoL. So i think in terms of popularity, DOTA wins. And of course, friends influence.
Next, tourneys. I never seen any LoL tourneys in my country so far held by gaming-centers, so i cant complain about its organizing, prize, and so on.

Maybe just in your area? I believe it's a fact that League of Legends has more players than DOTA 2. There are statistics out there gathered by unaffiliated websites, showing that League of Legends has millions more players than DOTA 2. Although the number of players shouldn't be "proof" that a game is better than the other. It's just that League of Legends has made their game easily enjoyable by more people. So, when it comes to marketing strategy, for lack of a better term, in my opinion LOL wins.

Omnisentient
01-06-2017, 06:17 AM
Dota 2 even with the bad community and the trashtalkers. its fun to play with friends and rank up in the MMR system. Seeing the number of your MMR slowly increasing is satisfying after every match. There is also the model customization items that you can trade or sell in the market that is capable of giving you some extra $$$ after the trades which i always do in dota :P . Even after I quit dota 2,i can't leave it forever, the excitement of it pulls me back into the game and it is hard to actually leave dota 2 alone haha

League of Legends also have a lot of toxic players trashtalkers, so DOTA 2 isn't that bad community-wise. League of Legends also have skins but sadly, there isn't a market, at least the last time I played it. It would have been awesome if we were allowed to buy skins or shards from other players though, especially if we can buy it with in-game cash instead of real money. I also have quit moba (League of Legends), a lot of times, I take months of hiatus but I find myself reinstalling it and playing again. Right now, I've been on a really long hiatus though and I'm not sure if I'll play again.

Omnisentient
01-06-2017, 06:19 AM
I'm not going to blow smoke and say this or that is my favorite.
I freely admit I DON'T LIKE MOBA's.
I would much prefer a game with a well developed storyline.
A game I can play without the need for any form of having to care about another player
I gave up on online shooters, I gave up on MMO's
The true solo play is where I enjoy MY free time.

Yeah, I understand how you feel. Playing competitive games sometimes can be more stressing than relaxing. And I know some people play games to relax. I personally wouldn't want to be stressed from work, then stressed from online games too when I get home. It's one reason why I have given up on playing MOBA games and one reason why I avoid playing CS:GO and the likes. For me, the purpose of a game is to entertain, and if it isn't entertaining anymore, it's time to uninstall it.

Omnisentient
01-07-2017, 01:22 AM
Hi all and as the title says, I vote for Dota2.

I like the f2p strategy that Dota uses.The entire heroes pool of the bat on the same map with everyone having the same chances of success (which are low ^^).
I feel that Dota does throw you into the deep end as there is so much to learn, but a steep learning curve is very satisfying and much better then a game that holds your hand all the way.
The meta changes, there's always new stuff and all in all the community is great (in a match its often a bit tense because its a high risk high reward scenario). Winning in Dota is a huge endorphin high, but a loss feels like a waste of life (especially after a 60min+ game).
In Dota I also like the mechanics and physics used in the manipulation of your character as i feel it is responsive, fast enough but not too fast. Other moba often feel sluggish or a bit slippery.

All in all, yeah I believe in Dota2

I think a game that is hard to learn isn't always better. Although me personally, I'd be okay with that. But I'm sure many people will disagree, considering how League of Legends has more players than DOTA 2, I'm sure one factor of that is because League of Legends is easier to learn. I agree with you about the physics, DOTA 2 has turnspeed. I wish they'd apply that to LoL. Kiting, in my opinion is an acceptable strategy, but it gets kind of ridiculous with how easy it is to pull of on LoL.

Omnisentient
01-07-2017, 02:05 AM
Trash talk, toxic players, etc. will always be there in highly competitive scenarios, especially were the entire enjoyment comes from the synergy of a team. When that doesn't happen it is hard to enjoy any moba or team based sport. Also you cant forget that there are trolls that come on just to blow of steam through cyber bullying or just trashtalking rather than actually having fun.

Yeah, competitive games with a lot of toxic players is normal but it's also expected from those games to have a good report or banning system. I don't know what it's like for DOTA 2 but I think League of Legends has an effective or strict(?) banning system. But sadly, bans get bypassed easily when they login their smurf/main accounts. Usually when I play, I just mute ALL chat and I mute my teammates if they don't really type anything helpful to the match.

Omnisentient
01-07-2017, 02:10 AM
For me, Dota 2 will be the best of them all. I chose Dota 2 because when I was still a kid, Dota is the most played game in any Cafe's and Internet Shops around my place. And I like the fact that this game needs thinking to win team fights and clashes, it just exercises my brain a lot and I liked it. When I heard that Dota will have the version 2, the Dota 2, I was excited on what are the changes that have been made. So when I first played it I was amazed seeing how the game evolved in graphics. So this led me to building my own rig that can handle immense graphics updates of the game, this was the time I met Asus and ROG. Now I can play my favorite game without any lags and fps drops. And seeing that Asus ROG is used in the Dota 2 Boston Major is outstanding. I chose Dota 2 because...

To be fair, I'm sure other mobas require a lot of thinking too when it comes to team fights or game strategy in general. I used to play DOTA Warcraft a lot too and indeed, it was so popular in internet cafés. I didn't react the same way you did when I heard that they're making DOTA 2. My initial thought was that, they really want to "milk" from the DOTA label and the Warcraft characters a lot. They could've made a new game title, with different looking heroes. But they did the lazy way and just upgraded and tweaked the DOTA heroes. But then again, I'm sure it's what most of DOTA community would have wanted.

Omnisentient
01-07-2017, 02:58 AM
I have played almost every MOBA game out there. It all started with DOTA 1 when i was still in elementary school. It was the very best game that got me hooked. No console games that can bring me back to console gaming even with great stories and gameplay nowadays. Then came variations of dota, from HoN to LoL and others that keep coming up. Then Icefrog teamed up with Valve and created this awesome 2nd version of DotA with a new engine and stand alone client. The game just feels awesome, and the pro-games are really fun to watch. It has a complex learning curve and you can't really abuse heroes/skills/items anymore and that just makes it more awesome and fun to play. Other mobas do have their own merits but what really is great about Dota 2 is the community. Their might be some trolls here and there and cancers as we call them but overall, the community is just a fun loving competitive environment that supports the growth of E-sports in this digital world.

As a League of Legends player, I can't really think of anything good or special about its community. Seeing that Steam forum, workshop, and what not encourages the community to participate in improving the game, I'm guessing that DOTA 2 does have a better community than League of Legends. I think it would be nice if LOL had something like Steam too, where players from all around the word can discuss and contribute to the game easily. Unlike right now where we're isolated from other countries.

Omnisentient
01-07-2017, 06:45 AM
Many are confused of what is the best MOBA game. :confused:
And in this section you will know my opinion of what is the best MOBA game.

First of all, there are many similarities on MOBA game but the difference are the gameplay.
They also have both uniqueness, but what wins my heart on MOBA game is the DOTA2 because of its graphic style and its very unique style of blindspot and wise moves.
The Graphics of DOTA2 if i were to rate is 10/10
The gameplay and its balance is also 10/10
and its UI on for first timer is also easy to use.

I have also played some MOBA games like LoL and vainglory on cp, although the LoL and vainglory have similarities on blindspot on grasses which removes its uniqueness.
Well that is my opinion. how about yours? :p

#DOTA2
#ROGxDOTA2

I'm a League of Legends player but I agree about the graphics. Some characters on League of Legends just don't belong in their world. For example is Annie, she have Anime eyes for goodness sake. I don't mind that they have a child character, but at least do it properly. The splash art on some of the skins needs a rework too. All in all, I feel like DOTA 2 has a more mature graphics. As for the blind spots or fog of war, that's not really a DOTA invention. That has been very common feature with strategy games.

Omnisentient
01-07-2017, 06:50 AM
DOTA 2... Because you can't win alone in DOTA 2 unlike LoL. lol

I don't really agree with this. I don't know if you can win alone in DOTA 2, but I'm sure if someone really good fought 5 new players, there's a possibility for the one player to still win. Same thing with LoL. I have never seen a match where a single person defeats an entire team. Unless they're on a ridiculous different level, which I'm sure would apply to most, if not all, games. Actually, from what I've gathered, it seems to be easier in LoL to catch up even if you're on a losing side, while in DOTA 2, the strong just gets stronger and the losing side just keep getting further below.

Omnisentient
01-07-2017, 06:58 AM
For me the best MOBA is DOTA2.
It is the first MOBA i played and i believe all other MOBA copied the main concept from this game.
But unlike other MOBA there are three things that will make DOTA2 stand-out from the rest.

1.) META
- The heropool in DOTA2 is huge and every hero can be played in different ways. Laning and itemization of heroes deepely varies, you can play a certain hero in different roles. There are also different strategies you can use to win the game.

2.) Balancing
- I think on of the best asset of DOTA2 is having Icefrog as the main developer as he always find ways to balance heroes thru minimal changes and without breaking or changing the hero concept.

3.) Community support
I think the DOTA2 community is the best compared to other MOBA community as shown by the support in "The International" tournaments as we always manage to surpass the crowdfunded prizepool every year and make it the highest prizepool for esport every yaer.

As for #1, League of Legends also has a lot of champions. In fact, it has more champions than DOTA's heroes. I don't think there's much variety with what you can do or build with a champion though, I feel like it's always the same thing. The only thing that changes are mid and top lane switching. As for #2, League of Legends is a bit crap with balancing. Whenever they release a new champion, you can guarantee that it's going to be very OP.

adiath
01-09-2017, 10:18 PM
both of dota & lol have great fans & great competitions. My friend also play both of them

saltyBubble
01-22-2017, 03:02 PM
Never tried any other MOBA besides LoL so I got nothing to compare it with. But I always get a good laugh when me and my friends sit down to play some.

Bahz
01-25-2017, 05:11 AM
We have 2 winners that have yet to respond so they have 6 more days to do so before we announce the re-draw for these prizes.

If you know these two users in person, please let them know because these are some awesome prizes to miss out on.

Feldon (ROG G20)
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Thanks,
Bahz