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Bahz
12-08-2016, 06:20 AM
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We'll be postponing the winners announcement to Dec 30th, the winners for Battle #3 will be posted up on ROG Website


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The third battle is a new type of battle; it’s a “debate.” Share with us your thoughts on which game title you feel is the true champion of MOBA games. The obvious choices are LoL (League of Legends) and DOTA 2, but is there something else that belongs in this discussion?

This battle begins on December 8th 2016 at 8:00pm (UTC+8) and ends on December 22nd 2016 at 8:00pm (UTC+8).

Don’t just share your choice, tell us why and prove it with your passion for the game! Only one submission for this topic but you may discuss and debate with others to earn additional entries for the grand prize draw.

See prizes and complete rules below:

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Grand Prizes (draw will take place between January 5th 2017 – Janurary 11th 2017)
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Rules

Provide your answer on which game title you think is the best MOBA game and provide your reasoning and facts to back it up. Only entries that meet these criteria will be considered a valid entry.
Limit one entry per person for the biweekly prize draw but no limit for additional entries for the grand prize draw
Additional qualified replies/comments will earn you additional entries for the grand prize draw. All additional qualified replies/comments on this thread or the other 3 battle topic threads will be accepted as additional entries up until January 4th 2017
Qualified replies/comments must have substance and not 1-2 word replies and are helpful in carrying forward the discussion. The eligibility of each reply/comment will be determined by our ROG forum admins.
Winners will be announced on the ROG website 4 days after the conclusion of the battle (December 30th 2016).



For complete rules for this campaign, please visit the official campaign thread:
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raptormigs
12-08-2016, 12:25 PM
Well, for me I really don't like to compare which one is the best MOBA game because I play DOTA, LoL and Smite. I chose Dota because it's my first ever MOBA game since when I was a kid. I started playing that game and I grew up with it seeing it get mature and improve ever since. I also remember that before we can buy Aegis hahaha. Defense of the Ancients 2 for me is the number one MOBA game because it is well-balanced. The heroes are awesome. They have unique skills that can be enhanced by buying items. You have to be the best at making strategies to be one of the top players out there. Maybe someday you'll see me play in Majors. That's my dream. DOTA 2 IS THE BEST MOBA GAME.

nikiking
12-08-2016, 12:49 PM
Smite is my favourite moba and i have played LoL Dota2 and heroes of the storm.I like it so much cuz im not a huge fan of mobas and smite is the moba for ppl who dont like mobas.

leopretorius
12-08-2016, 02:17 PM
There is always this misconception that different MOBA players hate each other, but that's just a small majority of the community. We are after all gamers and thus most likely competitive in-game and in the real world, so we feel that need to compete with others regarding our titles we choose to play and love and that's what keeps our favorite titles on tip of there toes to impress and keeps the development cycle active giving us great games in return.

I've been playing DOTA since ice frog was the one and only king of MOBA. So as the game evolved I evolved with it and for me especially looking back I can't believe how far the game has come. For the amount of things that stayed the same, the things that changes just keeps me coming back for more. The excellent mechanics and balance (there has been issues :o ) and the community that just keeps getting bigger and bigger makes all the matches a challenge forcing you to up your game and adapt to a ever changing dynamic. That's why DOTA is king and so many other titles copied that same song and dance to compete with it on a global stage.

48377
12-08-2016, 03:51 PM
I haven't played MOBAs extensively before Heroes of the Storm alpha. I've tried wc3 DOTA and LOL, but they never "clicked" to me. Being a Blizzard fan, must have helped, but i found Hots very engaging and fun, without many of the aspects i didn't like in previous titles. I've been playing Hots ever since and game is still fun and fresh for me with the constant updates.

ygalion
12-08-2016, 04:01 PM
Still dota2 is the best. One of MOBA genre creator works on it. This game is completely free and open- all heroes are there for everyone to play. This game is more mature than others, no silly oversized boobs and silly childish skins because its seruius game with serijus character saving world. Also this is team game where in LOL one champion can win all game, in Dota2 only a team play can win. But i think most eill agree, Dota2 has been changed and not for the best. I dont play it for some time. I dont want to buy compendium all the time, but most prpblem is bad players where pkaying 1h match and 1 bad olayer in team and you start regret wasted time. I remember when game were in beta, so much good players, lot of events.

ygalion
12-08-2016, 04:03 PM
Smite is my favourite moba and i have played LoL Dota2 and heroes of the storm.I like it so much cuz im not a huge fan of mobas and smite is the moba for ppl who dont like mobas.

Its poor game most for those who dont like mobas but you can play heroes of the storm, but be prapared, that game is really easy but most of players are bad. But smite most biggest fun are heroes and reall fantasy mithology.

levluc
12-08-2016, 05:01 PM
Matter of taste. Dota 2 is a bit harder than LoL since it has more mechanics (turn rate, denying, runes, etc) and I felt like the heroes were more balanced than the champions in LoL, but LoL was much easier for me to get into.
Both are very hardcore games with a steep learning curve, but LoL seems a bit more casual than Dota 2. Dota 2 on the other hand is much more rewarding and actually managed to keep my interest for two years now, while I got bored by LoL after 6 months.
But ultimately it comes down to personal preference.

I would play both of them but if i have to Decide i have to take Dota

danzzal
12-08-2016, 05:10 PM
I've played Dota since 2007. There were no other MOBA games that was popular as Dota during that time, so I assume Dota is the first successful MOBA game internationally, especially in China and SEA region. Correct me if I'm wrong. So, for me, Dota 2 is the best MOBA games. There would be few reasons why I choose Dota 2, and they are:

1. The developer

Dota is one of the oldest MOBA games that always receive updates, and improvements since 2003. What really make the game stand out is that the developer listens to the player. They were plenty of developers involved in making this game, but the one that really listen and well known, is known as Ice Frog. What really make the game stand out is that the Dota community is deeply involved in the making of the game. I still remembered some of the heroes are made based on community's suggestion. One of the was Puck. For me, this is the reason why Dota is one of the game that stand strong until now.

2. Game mechanics

This will always be my first reason on why I played Dota 2. Dota 2 have a more complex mechanics. One of them is denying our own creeps to deny our enemy's gold and experience. This complex mechanics really make the game to have a very high degree of freedom to play. What I mean by that, there will be extremely large combinations of heroes and play styles that can win the game. Almost everything can work. This can be seen on competitive matches lately. Currently, out of 110 heroes pools in Captains mode that are possible to be picked, almost 95% of them are picked and this was just about matches from now like Boston Majors, to 8 months ago! This really shows that there are literally countless of possible combinations and all of them can work. They also keep adding and improving the mechanics.

3. Dota 2 community

Most games will have toxic players and I can't deny that. Even Dota 2 is one of them. But, most of the toxic players in Dota 2 are not like in the other games. Most of them are "funny" and made me laugh as Dota 2 community mostly made up of people that really like dank memes. Even some of the toxic behaviour get recorded and turned to be memes and get posted on the internet. I love this community, full of xd, ez game, mid or feed, etc. ;)

I can see this game will continue to grow in the future with the current trend.

Yuten
12-08-2016, 06:23 PM
Dota 2. Though my heart is begging me to actually say:"DOTA 2 EZ GGWP!!!"

Well let's breakdown what "best" means:
1) Overall enjoyment
2) Game design
3)Upkeep and Improvement
4)Visuals (Graphics)
5)Community and how it's controlled

I'm basing my analysis on these statistics supported by MY OWN thoughts.

I have sampled quite a lot of MOBA's but stuck with Dota 2 because it gave me a much better experience and enjoyment.

1) Being a warcraft all stars player Dota 2 has come a LONG way from it ancestor.
I enjoyed All stars because it was, at a stage, the only one of its kind and became very skilled at it. After sampling Dota 2 and various other MOBA games, my heart still stuck to my "1st love" simply because Valve took an amazing game... and made it better.
The graphics are better, mechanics are smoother and the community is larger... which means less waiting for matches and more playing.

2) The design of the game is flawless. There are very few bugs in the game and if one gets spotted, Valve quickly eradicates it to make the game fair. The fact that you have a hero that has no equal in the game makes it much more dynamic which contributes to anti picking (Making it way more competitive and sensitive).
There is NO hero that cannot be countered because of the vast spells and items each hero has and can gain respectively. In LoL, 90% of all spells are AOE and Skill shots (Target Point) which I REALLY enjoy but it becomes redundant when every player has the option for a "flash" and can use it at any given time, Dota 2 wins in this sense and ironically makes hero positioning that much more valuable. There is so much more I could talk about with the mechanics of Dota 2 but eventually people are gonna get bored of all the reading. One thing I particularly love about Dota 2 is that if you are a newbee, or if you are part of the Clan "Newbee", you both have an exact 50% chance of winning. I don't like the way a player gets better stats that helps in game just because you've played longer than others... Dota 2 take real skill and skill only to be good in the game, not relying on a "+2% attack speed with every hero because your player level is 9". All of the above I believe is better than any other Moba.

3)There are a lot of Moba''s but Dota definitely has the most updates. Sometimes annoying but necessary. When an update arrives it's usually visual items and alterations with hero skills and in game shop items. The alterations are VERY sensitively applied if Valve feel a hero/item is a bit too week/powerful and 90% of the time, the community agrees with the updates.
The visual items (sets) that come with the update are always gorgeous and most are affordable. What really caught me here is that there are THOUSANDS of items that are player created, giving people who have an artistic side a chance to grow their skill and make some money on the side. I have never been disconnected in Dota 2 due to server maintenance. If there is some to be done, you can continue your game and, once it's done, wait a very short while until the server is up and running again. One thing that I can say that I do NOT like about Dota 2 is that it takes a VERY long time to release new heroes, but with all my previous points I can wait :D.

4) Graphics, well I'll just summarize this one:
Best graphics in a MOBA with ratio to its visual theme (Artwork is closest to the aimed style).
Has the best GUI and Home screen vs other MOBAs.
Players can customize GUI/HUD, Map Theme, Heroes, Map Weather.
New to Dota 2 which I have yet to test is Dota VR which I expect will be amazing.

5) The Dota 2 community is full of all types of players like any MOBA. My main point in this section is to highlight that Dota 2 was only released in 2013, which makes it 3 years old, and it already has a much bigger player database than any other MOBA (including LoL which was released in 2009 making it 7 years old) If it wasn't the best MOBA, why are so many people playing it? xD
There are Bans and Mutes and AFK bans and so forth. Dota 2 has a control system that cannot really be abused. There are Mutes and Bans and etc... but it will only take effect if a pattern occurs with a player so, don't swear or feed too much cuz you'll get restricted :). If you feel you have been restricted for any reason, you can contact steam support and they will help you with how they feel is fair.

Overall Dota 2 is just an amazing game. I play every single day and I do so because it is extremely fun, I'm addicted to its competition, want to learn more about it and get better at it and meet new people from it.

I think many other people will agree with me after reading my essay xD.

Thank you for reading and all comments welcome within reason.

Bahz
12-09-2016, 01:48 AM
Dota 2. Though my heart is begging me to actually say:"DOTA 2 EZ GGWP!!!"

Well let's breakdown what "best" means:
1) Overall enjoyment
2) Game design
3)Upkeep and Improvement
4)Visuals (Graphics)
5)Community and how it's controlled

I'm basing my analysis on these statistics supported by MY OWN thoughts.

I have sampled quite a lot of MOBA's but stuck with Dota 2 because it gave me a much better experience and enjoyment.

1) Being a warcraft all stars player Dota 2 has come a LONG way from it ancestor.
I enjoyed All stars because it was, at a stage, the only one of its kind and became very skilled at it. After sampling Dota 2 and various other MOBA games, my heart still stuck to my "1st love" simply because Valve took an amazing game... and made it better.
The graphics are better, mechanics are smoother and the community is larger... which means less waiting for matches and more playing.

2) The design of the game is flawless. There are very few bugs in the game and if one gets spotted, Valve quickly eradicates it to make the game fair. The fact that you have a hero that has no equal in the game makes it much more dynamic which contributes to anti picking (Making it way more competitive and sensitive).
There is NO hero that cannot be countered because of the vast spells and items each hero has and can gain respectively. In LoL, 90% of all spells are AOE and Skill shots (Target Point) which I REALLY enjoy but it becomes redundant when every player has the option for a "flash" and can use it at any given time, Dota 2 wins in this sense and ironically makes hero positioning that much more valuable. There is so much more I could talk about with the mechanics of Dota 2 but eventually people are gonna get bored of all the reading. One thing I particularly love about Dota 2 is that if you are a newbee, or if you are part of the Clan "Newbee", you both have an exact 50% chance of winning. I don't like the way a player gets better stats that helps in game just because you've played longer than others... Dota 2 take real skill and skill only to be good in the game, not relying on a "+2% attack speed with every hero because your player level is 9". All of the above I believe is better than any other Moba.

3)There are a lot of Moba''s but Dota definitely has the most updates. Sometimes annoying but necessary. When an update arrives it's usually visual items and alterations with hero skills and in game shop items. The alterations are VERY sensitively applied if Valve feel a hero/item is a bit too week/powerful and 90% of the time, the community agrees with the updates.
The visual items (sets) that come with the update are always gorgeous and most are affordable. What really caught me here is that there are THOUSANDS of items that are player created, giving people who have an artistic side a chance to grow their skill and make some money on the side. I have never been disconnected in Dota 2 due to server maintenance. If there is some to be done, you can continue your game and, once it's done, wait a very short while until the server is up and running again. One thing that I can say that I do NOT like about Dota 2 is that it takes a VERY long time to release new heroes, but with all my previous points I can wait :D.

4) Graphics, well I'll just summarize this one:
Best graphics in a MOBA with ratio to its visual theme (Artwork is closest to the aimed style).
Has the best GUI and Home screen vs other MOBAs.
Players can customize GUI/HUD, Map Theme, Heroes, Map Weather.
New to Dota 2 which I have yet to test is Dota VR which I expect will be amazing.

5) The Dota 2 community is full of all types of players like any MOBA. My main point in this section is to highlight that Dota 2 was only released in 2013, which makes it 3 years old, and it already has a much bigger player database than any other MOBA (including LoL which was released in 2009 making it 7 years old) If it wasn't the best MOBA, why are so many people playing it? xD
There are Bans and Mutes and AFK bans and so forth. Dota 2 has a control system that cannot really be abused. There are Mutes and Bans and etc... but it will only take effect if a pattern occurs with a player so, don't swear or feed too much cuz you'll get restricted :). If you feel you have been restricted for any reason, you can contact steam support and they will help you with how they feel is fair.

Overall Dota 2 is just an amazing game. I play every single day and I do so because it is extremely fun, I'm addicted to its competition, want to learn more about it and get better at it and meet new people from it.

I think many other people will agree with me after reading my essay xD.

Thank you for reading and all comments welcome within reason.

Wow so detailed :)

It's nice reading about your thoughts on this topic

Bahz
12-09-2016, 01:49 AM
I've played Dota since 2007. There were no other MOBA games that was popular as Dota during that time, so I assume Dota is the first successful MOBA game internationally, especially in China and SEA region. Correct me if I'm wrong. So, for me, Dota 2 is the best MOBA games. There would be few reasons why I choose Dota 2, and they are:

1. The developer

Dota is one of the oldest MOBA games that always receive updates, and improvements since 2003. What really make the game stand out is that the developer listens to the player. They were plenty of developers involved in making this game, but the one that really listen and well known, is known as Ice Frog. What really make the game stand out is that the Dota community is deeply involved in the making of the game. I still remembered some of the heroes are made based on community's suggestion. One of the was Puck. For me, this is the reason why Dota is one of the game that stand strong until now.

2. Game mechanics

This will always be my first reason on why I played Dota 2. Dota 2 have a more complex mechanics. One of them is denying our own creeps to deny our enemy's gold and experience. This complex mechanics really make the game to have a very high degree of freedom to play. What I mean by that, there will be extremely large combinations of heroes and play styles that can win the game. Almost everything can work. This can be seen on competitive matches lately. Currently, out of 110 heroes pools in Captains mode that are possible to be picked, almost 95% of them are picked and this was just about matches from now like Boston Majors, to 8 months ago! This really shows that there are literally countless of possible combinations and all of them can work. They also keep adding and improving the mechanics.

3. Dota 2 community

Most games will have toxic players and I can't deny that. Even Dota 2 is one of them. But, most of the toxic players in Dota 2 are not like in the other games. Most of them are "funny" and made me laugh as Dota 2 community mostly made up of people that really like dank memes. Even some of the toxic behaviour get recorded and turned to be memes and get posted on the internet. I love this community, full of xd, ez game, mid or feed, etc. ;)

I can see this game will continue to grow in the future with the current trend.

Good points

Bahz
12-09-2016, 01:50 AM
Smite is my favourite moba and i have played LoL Dota2 and heroes of the storm.I like it so much cuz im not a huge fan of mobas and smite is the moba for ppl who dont like mobas.

I think that's true, although I haven't tried Smite yet but my friend who was a hardcore CS:GO player moved over to play Smite and he told me it's awesome.

Versifier
12-09-2016, 01:53 AM
I'm gonna have to go with Smite since it's the only one I've actually had any interest in playing more than once or twice...

jmrvb
12-09-2016, 02:18 AM
DOTA 2 no doubt about it...
its very enjoyable
unique
everyone is playing it(like most every gamers has tried it, even celebrities and athletes in my country post pictures of themselves playing dota2 on their social media)
and lets admit it, its very addictive
hahaha
so much fun...*

danzzal
12-09-2016, 02:20 AM
Good points

Thanks ;)

danzzal
12-09-2016, 03:09 AM
One more thing about why Dota 2 is really special and why it's a heavily community driven game.

1. Dota 2 have custom games just like the old days in Warcraft engine that uses World Editor. Dota 2 allows other people to create it's own game using Dota 2 Workshop tools! Currently there are plenty of custom games that are very fun to play, plenty of tower defense games, RPG games and even LoL mod is in Dota 2. For me, it's really good for people who want to take a break from playing Dota 2 without leaving Dota 2 client.

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Image taken from Dota2.com

2. Dota 2 also allows other people to create their own cosmetic items and submit them into the game. When accepted, they can get some commission based on the sales. People can even make serious money in the game.

Bahz
12-09-2016, 03:22 AM
One more thing about why Dota 2 is really special and why it's a heavily community driven game.

1. Dota 2 have custom games just like the old days in Warcraft engine that uses World Editor. Dota 2 allows other people to create it's own game using Dota 2 Workshop tools! Currently there are plenty of custom games that are very fun to play, plenty of tower defense games, RPG games and even LoL mod is in Dota 2. For me, it's really good for people who want to take a break from playing Dota 2 without leaving Dota 2 client.

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Image taken from Dota2.com

2. Dota 2 also allows other people to create their own cosmetic items and submit them into the game. When accepted, they can get some commission based on the sales. People can even make serious money in the game.

Yeah I agree it's a community based game, like the community funding part is an amazing idea, it's great that they're doing that for tournaments.

Detleg
12-09-2016, 04:19 AM
Fritz is playing call of duty again huh while we wating to eat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWPuqplYjWw

ITS DOTA DAMNIT

angelanz2
12-09-2016, 04:25 AM
Well, for me, it's always been DOTA 2, ive played dota since elementary school, that was when dota was based on warcraft 3 frozen throne. And now i really enjoyed DOTA 2 more than ever, it teaches you how to cooperate with people around Asia (since im Indonesian), there are lots of trashtalk most of the time during the game, but to me its what makes the game alive. Sometimes you argue the whole game about who's fault for causing the team to lose, no supports whatsoever. But yea then again, it's lively and fun. Other coll things about dota is that, there is never the strongest, either the person nor the DOTA heroes. In-game hero is always constantly changing (abilities, stats, and items) and there is absolutely no domination over who's the best player, cause its not a 1 on 1 game, its a 5 on 5, it requires team work.
Tournaments are so far the biggest in fan and prize. And the thrill to be there watching, supporting, and cheering for your team is just one of those best memories you have. Even thought i personally dont get the chance to be at the International (biggest dota 2 tournaments), streaming the games at home with friends is simply joyful.
Another cool thing about Dota is that you can also play some sort of mini games or custom game, in which you can either create a game or play someone else's game. There is also a custom made items for in-game heroes. This feature lets you create and design items as much as you imagine, then upload it to DOTA 2 community for voting, and highest vote get their items to be featured and posted for selling.
Last but not least, the game. It has many things in common compared to LoL or HON, only to me, DOTA requires more skills and mostly teamwork. The map are mostly the same. DOTA heroes are harder to control and master (meepo, invoker, magnus,etc). No matter how skilled you are, or how high your reflexes is, it still goes down to team communication, initiation, and plans. But dont get me wrong though, individual skills also matters, like alot. The graphics are way better than LoL and HON, which makes your eyes glittering with astonishment.
I've learned many so far with DOTA, including english, patience, solving situation, how to lead, carry and sometimes be the sidekick of the game, and not to give up even in most desperate times.
So, i hope this inspire you in the least to sneak a peek on DOTA for those of you who hasn't got their hands on DOTA and try the game. And Chill, there's also a ranked system called MMR, a bit challenging i suppose. Thats it from me, see ya.

markbugzz
12-09-2016, 06:33 AM
DOTA 2. simple as that

spartan_hoplite
12-09-2016, 06:47 AM
DOTA 2 may be the most popular MOBA games, but I think the graphic is already outdated. Now I love Paragon more because the graphic is really nice with the latest Unreal Engine 4 technology.
You can play Dota2 with low ends PC/Laptop( dual core, dx10 vga and 4gb Ram will runs fine) but to play Paragon you definitely need a ROG Class Laptop/PC.
My point is, if you have ROG PC/laptop then what for you keep spending more time with old DX10 games when there is a newer better games. We need to move on.

angelanz2
12-09-2016, 07:12 AM
haha.. indeed, the thing is, i dont have such nice laptop, im using regular ASUS laptop, not a besed-for-game laptop, thats why i consider it the best among other "MOBA" games i played so far. :))
I too wish for a nice laptop design for games.. :D

angelanz2
12-09-2016, 07:14 AM
DOTA 2. simple as that


Chill, it is the best for me and those who play.. hehe
For me, DOTA 2 is the best MOBA

angelanz2
12-09-2016, 07:17 AM
DOTA 2 may be the most popular MOBA games, but I think the graphic is already outdated. Now I love Paragon more because the graphic is really nice with the latest Unreal Engine 4 technology.
You can play Dota2 with low ends PC/Laptop( dual core, dx10 vga and 4gb Ram will runs fine) but to play Paragon you definitely need a ROG Class Laptop/PC.
My point is, if you have ROG PC/laptop then what for you keep spending more time with old DX10 games when there is a newer better games. We need to move on.


haha.. indeed, the thing is, i dont have such nice laptop, im using regular ASUS laptop, not a besed-for-game laptop, thats why i consider it the best among other "MOBA" games i can play so far. )
I too wish for a nice laptop design for games.. so that i can play many high-res 4k graphic games

Bahz
12-09-2016, 07:41 AM
I'm very shocked to see that it's so one sided right now and no LoL fan have come to defend it.

FilLis
12-09-2016, 07:47 AM
Dota2 best MOBA game of all at this time. In a relatively short period of time it has become a game-competition world scale. Tournaments collect tens of thousands of spectators in the hall and millions watching front of the screen, which is comparable to major sporting events! DOTA2 - Best MOBA game!

Yuten
12-09-2016, 07:59 AM
Wow so detailed :)

It's nice reading about your thoughts on this topic

Thank you very much!! :D

I have a huge passion for Dota 2.^^

Yuten
12-09-2016, 08:02 AM
I'm very shocked to see that it's so one sided right now and no LoL fan have come to defend it.

I agree. I'm really excited to read what they say!
Maybe with all the Dota 2 fans it's a bit overwhelming but don't be scared guys!!
It's not about the best game its about sharing your thoughs!! :D

Yuten
12-09-2016, 08:05 AM
Dota 2. Though my heart is begging me to actually say:"DOTA 2 EZ GGWP!!!"

Well let's breakdown what "best" means:
1) Overall enjoyment
2) Game design
3)Upkeep and Improvement
4)Visuals (Graphics)
5)Community and how it's controlled

I'm basing my analysis on these statistics supported by MY OWN thoughts.

I have sampled quite a lot of MOBA's but stuck with Dota 2 because it gave me a much better experience and enjoyment.

1) Being a warcraft all stars player Dota 2 has come a LONG way from it ancestor.
I enjoyed All stars because it was, at a stage, the only one of its kind and became very skilled at it. After sampling Dota 2 and various other MOBA games, my heart still stuck to my "1st love" simply because Valve took an amazing game... and made it better.
The graphics are better, mechanics are smoother and the community is larger... which means less waiting for matches and more playing.

2) The design of the game is flawless. There are very few bugs in the game and if one gets spotted, Valve quickly eradicates it to make the game fair. The fact that you have a hero that has no equal in the game makes it much more dynamic which contributes to anti picking (Making it way more competitive and sensitive).
There is NO hero that cannot be countered because of the vast spells and items each hero has and can gain respectively. In LoL, 90% of all spells are AOE and Skill shots (Target Point) which I REALLY enjoy but it becomes redundant when every player has the option for a "flash" and can use it at any given time, Dota 2 wins in this sense and ironically makes hero positioning that much more valuable. There is so much more I could talk about with the mechanics of Dota 2 but eventually people are gonna get bored of all the reading. One thing I particularly love about Dota 2 is that if you are a newbee, or if you are part of the Clan "Newbee", you both have an exact 50% chance of winning. I don't like the way a player gets better stats that helps in game just because you've played longer than others... Dota 2 take real skill and skill only to be good in the game, not relying on a "+2% attack speed with every hero because your player level is 9". All of the above I believe is better than any other Moba.

3)There are a lot of Moba''s but Dota definitely has the most updates. Sometimes annoying but necessary. When an update arrives it's usually visual items and alterations with hero skills and in game shop items. The alterations are VERY sensitively applied if Valve feel a hero/item is a bit too week/powerful and 90% of the time, the community agrees with the updates.
The visual items (sets) that come with the update are always gorgeous and most are affordable. What really caught me here is that there are THOUSANDS of items that are player created, giving people who have an artistic side a chance to grow their skill and make some money on the side. I have never been disconnected in Dota 2 due to server maintenance. If there is some to be done, you can continue your game and, once it's done, wait a very short while until the server is up and running again. One thing that I can say that I do NOT like about Dota 2 is that it takes a VERY long time to release new heroes, but with all my previous points I can wait :D.

4) Graphics, well I'll just summarize this one:
Best graphics in a MOBA with ratio to its visual theme (Artwork is closest to the aimed style).
Has the best GUI and Home screen vs other MOBAs.
Players can customize GUI/HUD, Map Theme, Heroes, Map Weather.
New to Dota 2 which I have yet to test is Dota VR which I expect will be amazing.

5) The Dota 2 community is full of all types of players like any MOBA. My main point in this section is to highlight that Dota 2 was only released in 2013, which makes it 3 years old, and it already has a much bigger player database than any other MOBA (including LoL which was released in 2009 making it 7 years old) If it wasn't the best MOBA, why are so many people playing it? xD
There are Bans and Mutes and AFK bans and so forth. Dota 2 has a control system that cannot really be abused. There are Mutes and Bans and etc... but it will only take effect if a pattern occurs with a player so, don't swear or feed too much cuz you'll get restricted :). If you feel you have been restricted for any reason, you can contact steam support and they will help you with how they feel is fair.

Overall Dota 2 is just an amazing game. I play every single day and I do so because it is extremely fun, I'm addicted to its competition, want to learn more about it and get better at it and meet new people from it.

I think many other people will agree with me after reading my essay xD.

Thank you for reading and all comments welcome within reason.

OH! I forgot to mention that Dota 2 is one of VERY few games in the world that has a server on every supported continent! Even in South Africa... 200 ping makes a HUGE difference. ^^

danzzal
12-09-2016, 08:09 AM
DOTA 2 may be the most popular MOBA games, but I think the graphic is already outdated. Now I love Paragon more because the graphic is really nice with the latest Unreal Engine 4 technology.
You can play Dota2 with low ends PC/Laptop( dual core, dx10 vga and 4gb Ram will runs fine) but to play Paragon you definitely need a ROG Class Laptop/PC.
My point is, if you have ROG PC/laptop then what for you keep spending more time with old DX10 games when there is a newer better games. We need to move on.

There's reason for that. Not everyone could afford high end gaming rig. There's a survey that Steam conducted, and guess what, the most used GPU is GTX 970, which is at 4.9% of the overall players and it's still extremely small. Based on current trend, GTX 750 Ti will take over that place soon. Here's the link to the conducted survey: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

My main point is, they don't make Dota 2 graphic outdated without any logical reasons. They set a constraint to game graphics at specific level, (preferable lowest as possible but not too low), thus lowering the barrier to entry, so that more players can play the game, even with potato rig. Even when you want to create a cosmetic item, there's specific number of polygons allowed before you can submit it into the game. Being able to reach out more players is much more important than having a good graphics. But that's my opinion, feel free to give your own ;)

Yuten
12-09-2016, 08:13 AM
DOTA 2 may be the most popular MOBA games, but I think the graphic is already outdated. Now I love Paragon more because the graphic is really nice with the latest Unreal Engine 4 technology.
You can play Dota2 with low ends PC/Laptop( dual core, dx10 vga and 4gb Ram will runs fine) but to play Paragon you definitely need a ROG Class Laptop/PC.
My point is, if you have ROG PC/laptop then what for you keep spending more time with old DX10 games when there is a newer better games. We need to move on.

Well I'll need to disagree with you there. Dota 2 had a recent complete engine update called "Reborn". Dota 2 Reborn was released on September 09, 2015. With the new engine Valve could've changed whatever they wanted in terms of graphics but kept most of it the same allowing people with a lower budget to be able to play aswell, not just the wealthy community. :p

angelanz2
12-09-2016, 09:20 AM
yeah nice.. player's enjoyment is most important, and despite what some people think of DOTA's bad graphics, it still wins the day (20+ millions dollar in the international total prize pool), i mean it sure is reassuring that DOTA is the best, most-played, and top ranking MOBA in the world. Just saying, no offense

DJFulcrum
12-09-2016, 11:53 AM
The best MOBA, not an original, but a new entry to the genre, Paragon.

Why Paragon? Though a game still in development, but playable, it is rich with what is missing in the traditional mix. It is competitively paced, it promotes teamwork and allows a player to customise his/her own individual playstyle. It took the good elements which made its competitors shine, and improved on them. It is the best game in its MOBA stable as opposed to the lacklustre Battleborn.

Since the game is still in development there is much to resolve, especially the balance, but the cards, character and Paragon points add a uniqueness to the overall quality. It also speaks to FPS players which is unreluctantly to place their time at MOBA’s like LoL and Dota2, like me which had a disastrous experience at LoL.

From strength to strength.

DJFulcrum
12-09-2016, 11:57 AM
Smite is my favourite moba and i have played LoL Dota2 and heroes of the storm.I like it so much cuz im not a huge fan of mobas and smite is the moba for ppl who dont like mobas.

I never quite got into Smite… For the very same reason you have listed Smite is the reason that I have listed Paragon.

Xxzero0000
12-09-2016, 12:43 PM
In my opinion, i think LoL is better than DOTA2. I've played LoL for 2 years and played DOTA2 maybe only 10 games. For the gameplay,I think LoL harder than DOTA2. Coz, LoL prioritizing Skill first. For the example skillshot on LoL you have to aim the target manually. Another case in Dota2 you can use skillshot automatically (my experience playing Luna Moonfang). So, in this case i think DOTA2 easier than LoL.
Other reason why i love to play LoL is there are many interesting changes each patch(buff/nerf to champion skill/item) which is made that game more interesting. I dont know DOTA2 has same / more interesting features than LoL.
Thanks for reading my opinion, all comments welcome within reason.

Sorry for my bad English 😞😞😞

Bahz
12-09-2016, 03:07 PM
In my opinion, i think LoL is better than DOTA2. I've played LoL for 2 years and played DOTA2 maybe only 10 games. For the gameplay,I think LoL harder than DOTA2. Coz, LoL prioritizing Skill first. For the example skillshot on LoL you have to aim the target manually. Another case in Dota2 you can use skillshot automatically (my experience playing Luna Moonfang). So, in this case i think DOTA2 easier than LoL.
Other reason why i love to play LoL is there are many interesting changes each patch(buff/nerf to champion skill/item) which is made that game more interesting. I dont know DOTA2 has same / more interesting features than LoL.
Thanks for reading my opinion, all comments welcome within reason.

Sorry for my bad English ������

Finally a LoL die-hard shows up, I hope the tides start turning back a little. I was expecting to see more 50/50 action between LoL and DOTA 2.

Bahz
12-09-2016, 03:11 PM
The best MOBA, not an original, but a new entry to the genre, Paragon.

Why Paragon? Though a game still in development, but playable, it is rich with what is missing in the traditional mix. It is competitively paced, it promotes teamwork and allows a player to customise his/her own individual playstyle. It took the good elements which made its competitors shine, and improved on them. It is the best game in its MOBA stable as opposed to the lacklustre Battleborn.

Since the game is still in development there is much to resolve, especially the balance, but the cards, character and Paragon points add a uniqueness to the overall quality. It also speaks to FPS players which is unreluctantly to place their time at MOBA’s like LoL and Dota2, like me which had a disastrous experience at LoL.

From strength to strength.

Interesting, I totally never heard about Paragon before, guess it's a good time to check it out.

seirafrncsc
12-09-2016, 03:56 PM
Dota 2, why? Because Pendragon ruined Leauge of Legend's reputation since from its release.

seirafrncsc
12-09-2016, 04:30 PM
In my opinion, i think LoL is better than DOTA2. I've played LoL for 2 years and played DOTA2 maybe only 10 games. For the gameplay,I think LoL harder than DOTA2. Coz, LoL prioritizing Skill first. For the example skillshot on LoL you have to aim the target manually. Another case in Dota2 you can use skillshot automatically (my experience playing Luna Moonfang). So, in this case i think DOTA2 easier than LoL.
Other reason why i love to play LoL is there are many interesting changes each patch(buff/nerf to champion skill/item) which is made that game more interesting. I dont know DOTA2 has same / more interesting features than LoL.
Thanks for reading my opinion, all comments welcome within reason.

Sorry for my bad English 😞😞😞

Initiating a skill or skill shot in dota 2 depends on which hero/champion you are using, I play both games (around 4800 hrs on dota, around 500 hrs on LoL and to add, maybe around 6000 hours on dota 1 which is both LoL and dota 2's base game). LoL is fun and fast paced because the game mechanics are pretty much easier than dota.Dota/dota 2's game mechanics are harder, can't explain cause there are tons of reasons, there are even pro games reaching 2 hours. Also both games surely do those interesting changes which are both the same.

Conclusions is:

1. Both game came from 1 root which is dota 1.

2. I think it's not that valid to compare LoL and DotA 2 since they are different from each other, they have vast differences on game mechanics.

3. Both are fun

4. For me, Both LoL and DotA 2 communities are currently supporting each other, which is supposed to be from the start.

5. As of now, due to recent patches of both LoL and DotA 2, DotA 2 is currently the best MOBA game. This might change in the future since most games are evolving thru time.

Sidenote: Most Dota 2 Community is hating LoL because of the pendragon incident, if it didn't happen, both community will be at peace and will be called literally sister games because of their root.

danzzal
12-09-2016, 04:31 PM
In my opinion, i think LoL is better than DOTA2. I've played LoL for 2 years and played DOTA2 maybe only 10 games. For the gameplay,I think LoL harder than DOTA2. Coz, LoL prioritizing Skill first. For the example skillshot on LoL you have to aim the target manually. Another case in Dota2 you can use skillshot automatically (my experience playing Luna Moonfang). So, in this case i think DOTA2 easier than LoL.
Other reason why i love to play LoL is there are many interesting changes each patch(buff/nerf to champion skill/item) which is made that game more interesting. I dont know DOTA2 has same / more interesting features than LoL.
Thanks for reading my opinion, all comments welcome within reason.

Sorry for my bad English ������

I think I have to disagree with the easy and skillshot part.

The difficulty of the game really depends on various factor including the hero that you chose. Luna is on of easy hero as she only have 2 active spells. Also, in my opinion, including easy hero is good to encourage new players to play the game. Imagine when you are new to Dota 2, and the only way you want to win the game is to master 4 active skillshot abilities. I bet most of the new players will run away after playing 1 game. That is why there are certain heroes have easy skill set and some of them have hard skill set.

For skillshot abilities, there are currently 112 heroes playable in Dota 2. Some of them are really easy to play and don't have skillshot ability like Luna, the one that you've played. Luna have 2 active abilities and 2 passive abilities and none of them are skillshot abilities, unless you bought an item that can change one of your ability which is Aghanim Scepter, that will alter Luna's ultimate, or the 4th skill. There are plenty more heroes that have skillshot abilities but most of them are hard to play. If you really want to play heroes that have skillshot abilities and want to aim the target manually, try Pudge. Pudge first skill is a skillshot ability, known as hook. This ability is the same as Rocket Grab on Blitzcrank in LoL. Based on my observations, all MOBA have skillshot abilities and non-skillshot abilities depending on what heroes/champions/etc you chose.

Also, there are pros and cons on both skillshot abilities and non skillshot abilities which I'm not going to explain since it might took a very long explanation that would not contribute to the discussion here.

One more thing, I think all MOBA games do release updates and patches regularly. Most of the patches include buffs, nerfs, item changes, just like you mentioned.

seirafrncsc
12-09-2016, 04:36 PM
Interesting, I totally never heard about Paragon before, guess it's a good time to check it out.

Also check Fractured Space which is also a cool Star Wars like MOBA game where heroes/champions are ships on a 5v5 space battle if you like space warfare movies/games. Played it for 30 hours when it got out on beta and still counting. I would like to add it on the list but it's not that popular yet.

RoBBBBBB
12-09-2016, 04:38 PM
Well i dont know where to start first. Ive been playing League of Legends for almost as long as i can remember, i remember playing it while it was still new on the year 2009(cant remember the month accurately) because my friend suggested that we play something new. Ever since then i got hooked playing until now, even though at the past i went on a hiatus playing LOL i find myself playing it again and again because its so much fun to play. now lets talk about who's the best. Well for starters Riot really outdid themselves with the UPDATES and consistency with their Game, what i mean is, it is really difficult to make a game, UPDATE it for the better and be consistent at the same time, i really feel Riot is paying attention not just for its players but for the game as well, There is something with this game that we gamers cant get enough of, This is probably one of the main reason why LOL is on top to-date. Let us go over to DOTA2/DOTA(to me its the same game) The Godfather of all MOBA games, The MOBA game that started all MOBA games. DOTA is arguably the best MOBA game(before LOL), ive been playing it since i was in highschool. our favorite past time, here in the Philippines, we take our DOTA gaming very seriously, even to the point that we even competed to earn money from it. How? we create 2 teams with each team consisting of 5 players and then we collect or we raise pot money e.g. each player shall raise 50 pesos/2 USD(latest exchange rate as of today) and then which ever team would win, they would have rights to the pot money where they will divide it depending on how much that player raised, so for example a player raised 50 pesos/2 USD if that player's team win, he would get a total of 100 pesos/ 5 USD. PLUS! bragging rights! You see MOBA games for me is a battle arena where we showcase our skill level and knowledge in order to play and WIN. that is the main point of MOBA games is to win.so in order to win you have to have the necessary skill set to use or play the game to your benefit and beat the competition, and these two Titans have served that purpose and served it well. With that said it is really hard to choose WHICH is the best MOBA game because i feel like they are both great games and really fun to play alone or with friends. But in my opinion League of Legends has a SLIGHT advantage against DOTA(for now). Just the marketing of how Riot sells the game is brilliant, i mean look at it this way, the prize money for DOTA 2 is way higher than LOL esports, probably one of the highest prize pool for esports today, BUT. with that said, League of Legends is still on top so probably for now The best MOBA game is League of Legends. But then again, for how long? Will DOTA regain it's throne again. The real question now, is. When?

quakelife911
12-09-2016, 05:55 PM
Dota is the best because it was first. :D

Athanasios2104
12-09-2016, 06:50 PM
LOL at the moment - more mature, well organised tourneys, lots of skins

satyrlampu
12-09-2016, 07:59 PM
Play dota 1 back in the day but now I play LoL

DaRkKenX
12-09-2016, 08:09 PM
Since this thread about matter of Opinion of every Individual, I believe many people might not agree with my statements.
However,
I will go with League of Legends as best MOBA game (for me).

I do realize why most people consider DOTA 2 over League of Legends as better MOBA and reason it with "DOTA Came first", "League is a copy of DOTA", "DOTA is harder than League" etc, I believe that most of these points doesn't mean that League of Legends is worse than DOTA.

While it's a matter of fact that DOTA did came before League, it doesn't mean that the game inspired by an already existing game is worse than it.
And I believe "DOTA is harder than League" is incorrect statement and I would rather prefer the term "DOTA is more punishing and complex than League".
Unlike League, dying in DOTA is much more punishing and it can get to the point where stronger keeps getting stronger and weaker isn't able to catch up anymore.
But that doesn't mean that DOTA is "BETTER" than league just because it's more punishing.

On contrary, I believe what makes the game better than another depends on "If you are having fun playing the game or not".

As I said before, everybody have their own opinions and experiences with both games.
Everybody have their own preference and might find one game more fun than another.

In my case, I found League of Legends more fun to play from my experiences so far.
I find the gameplay, simplicity, champ's skillsets, smoothness etc of League more fun than other MOBA games.
Also, knowing that even if you get behind in game, you can catch up to others quickly if you play well keeps up the positive attitude in the game.
I believe that the game's community plays a big part on your experience with the game, and surprisingly I found playerbase of League much better than DOTA, (Based on my experience, can be different for others)

In DOTA, majority of the players I played with took the game way too seriously were toxic which made the game experience much worse than my experience in league.

Now I'm not saying that one should not play their best in the match. But if one is to take the game too seriously itself, it's not longer played for "fun" or "entertainment" which it was meant to be.

For me, I found that entertainment in League of Legends, therefore for me it's the best MOBA game out there.

MaxBunny
12-09-2016, 08:53 PM
Clearly DOTA. When you get to MOBAs like League and Heroes of the Storm everything is a cut down version of what they think are the relevant/fun features of the genre. Those 2 in particular turn every character into a nuke (you press your buttons and all characters have similar, balanced ability damage to each other) so everyone essentially plays the same way. Whether you're Soraka, Riven, Diablo, or Zagara you're really the same as anyone else. I can't tell who's using an ability sometimes since they all look the same.

But you get to DOTA and suddenly there are multiple unique styles where the heroes have individuality, personality, and interconnecting backstories. All of that and non-gimped gameplay. People may *like* League/HOTS/Smite/Paragon, which is fine, but all of those are just watered down MOBAs hidden behind grindwalls to unlock all of the characters/stat boosts (runes/cards)/game modes and paywalls for the skins. It's not really a debate. :cool:

Zarthun
12-09-2016, 10:35 PM
Hello. I think the best play MOBA League of Legends because in this game you can learn self-control and cooperation between the players in the game calmly and pleasantly know there are exceptions so you should turn a blind eye and push on.

seirafrncsc
12-09-2016, 11:28 PM
LOL at the moment - more mature, well organised tourneys, lots of skins

Shanghai Major is a big facepalm in esport history, but tournaments next to it we're hundred times greater than past tourneys, talking about skins, have you ever played DotA? Check the steam market and play Dress-up of the Ancients? :p :D

angelanz2
12-10-2016, 01:00 AM
Finally a LoL die-hard shows up, I hope the tides start turning back a little. I was expecting to see more 50/50 action between LoL and DOTA 2.

try out invoker, pudge, magnus, kunka,etc

angelanz2
12-10-2016, 01:12 AM
now now.. a lot have said that LoL is more popular than DOTA, but in my country, out of the gamer in my school, only one guy plays LoL. Many favored DOTA for some reason. First, DOTA 2 platform might be easier to get and managed. Second, most of gaming-centers in my country provides DOTA 2, and other games, e.g: Point blank, Paladins, etc, but no LoL. So i think in terms of popularity, DOTA wins. And of course, friends influence.
Next, tourneys. I never seen any LoL tourneys in my country so far held by gaming-centers, so i cant complain about its organizing, prize, and so on.

angelanz2
12-10-2016, 01:14 AM
In my opinion, i think LoL is better than DOTA2. I've played LoL for 2 years and played DOTA2 maybe only 10 games. For the gameplay,I think LoL harder than DOTA2. Coz, LoL prioritizing Skill first. For the example skillshot on LoL you have to aim the target manually. Another case in Dota2 you can use skillshot automatically (my experience playing Luna Moonfang). So, in this case i think DOTA2 easier than LoL.
Other reason why i love to play LoL is there are many interesting changes each patch(buff/nerf to champion skill/item) which is made that game more interesting. I dont know DOTA2 has same / more interesting features than LoL.
Thanks for reading my opinion, all comments welcome within reason.

Sorry for my bad English 😞😞😞

nah, try other heroes, such as invoker, magnus, morp, etc

Xxzero0000
12-10-2016, 03:45 AM
now now.. a lot have said that LoL is more popular than DOTA, but in my country, out of the gamer in my school, only one guy plays LoL. Many favored DOTA for some reason. First, DOTA 2 platform might be easier to get and managed. Second, most of gaming-centers in my country provides DOTA 2, and other games, e.g: Point blank, Paladins, etc, but no LoL. So i think in terms of popularity, DOTA wins. And of course, friends influence.
Next, tourneys. I never seen any LoL tourneys in my country so far held by gaming-centers, so i cant complain about its organizing, prize, and so on.

In my country too. Dota2 more popular than LoL. But, in worldwide i think LoL more Popular than Dota.

Xxzero0000
12-10-2016, 03:51 AM
now now.. a lot have said that LoL is more popular than DOTA, but in my country, out of the gamer in my school, only one guy plays LoL. Many favored DOTA for some reason. First, DOTA 2 platform might be easier to get and managed. Second, most of gaming-centers in my country provides DOTA 2, and other games, e.g: Point blank, Paladins, etc, but no LoL. So i think in terms of popularity, DOTA wins. And of course, friends influence.
Next, tourneys. I never seen any LoL tourneys in my country so far held by gaming-centers, so i cant complain about its organizing, prize, and so on.

We are in the same country btw 😂😂😂😂😂

FrostHG
12-10-2016, 04:38 AM
Dota 2 even with the bad community and the trashtalkers. its fun to play with friends and rank up in the MMR system. Seeing the number of your MMR slowly increasing is satisfying after every match. There is also the model customization items that you can trade or sell in the market that is capable of giving you some extra $$$ after the trades which i always do in dota :P . Even after I quit dota 2,i can't leave it forever, the excitement of it pulls me back into the game and it is hard to actually leave dota 2 alone haha

VacuumoV
12-10-2016, 07:25 AM
Of course, I think the best MOBA is the original DotA. Nothing is like the classic, the original one! :)

Stealth1s1k
12-10-2016, 08:24 AM
I'm not going to blow smoke and say this or that is my favorite.
I freely admit I DON'T LIKE MOBA's.
I would much prefer a game with a well developed storyline.
A game I can play without the need for any form of having to care about another player
I gave up on online shooters, I gave up on MMO's
The true solo play is where I enjoy MY free time.

PlayfulBird
12-10-2016, 09:37 AM
Hi all and as the title says, I vote for Dota2.

I like the f2p strategy that Dota uses.The entire heroes pool of the bat on the same map with everyone having the same chances of success (which are low ^^).
I feel that Dota does throw you into the deep end as there is so much to learn, but a steep learning curve is very satisfying and much better then a game that holds your hand all the way.
The meta changes, there's always new stuff and all in all the community is great (in a match its often a bit tense because its a high risk high reward scenario). Winning in Dota is a huge endorphin high, but a loss feels like a waste of life (especially after a 60min+ game).
In Dota I also like the mechanics and physics used in the manipulation of your character as i feel it is responsive, fast enough but not too fast. Other moba often feel sluggish or a bit slippery.

All in all, yeah I believe in Dota2

PlayfulBird
12-10-2016, 09:44 AM
In my opinion, i think LoL is better than DOTA2. I've played LoL for 2 years and played DOTA2 maybe only 10 games. For the gameplay,I think LoL harder than DOTA2. Coz, LoL prioritizing Skill first. For the example skillshot on LoL you have to aim the target manually. Another case in Dota2 you can use skillshot automatically (my experience playing Luna Moonfang). So, in this case i think DOTA2 easier than LoL.
Other reason why i love to play LoL is there are many interesting changes each patch(buff/nerf to champion skill/item) which is made that game more interesting. I dont know DOTA2 has same / more interesting features than LoL.
Thanks for reading my opinion, all comments welcome within reason.

Sorry for my bad English 😞😞😞


While I respect your experience (and am happy you love lol), I would like to say that all the points you argue for lol are also true for dota and that 10games is not enough to judge dota in as depth as you do. Especially skill required (whith a huge heroe pool) there is no way that you can actually get a feel for how difficult some heroes are to play.
The meta changes with each patch and there are a lot of playstyles you will only see in very high skill level games that truly show you the flexibility of dota vs other moba.
Any way, I wish you all the best and just wanted to point some things out, not in any way disrespect or change your opinion.

PlayfulBird
12-10-2016, 09:48 AM
Dota 2 even with the bad community and the trashtalkers. its fun to play with friends and rank up in the MMR system. Seeing the number of your MMR slowly increasing is satisfying after every match. There is also the model customization items that you can trade or sell in the market that is capable of giving you some extra $$$ after the trades which i always do in dota :P . Even after I quit dota 2,i can't leave it forever, the excitement of it pulls me back into the game and it is hard to actually leave dota 2 alone haha

Trash talk, toxic players, etc. will always be there in highly competitive scenarios, especially were the entire enjoyment comes from the synergy of a team. When that doesn't happen it is hard to enjoy any moba or team based sport. Also you cant forget that there are trolls that come on just to blow of steam through cyber bullying or just trashtalking rather than actually having fun.

JKLorenzo
12-10-2016, 11:23 AM
For me, Dota 2 will be the best of them all. I chose Dota 2 because when I was still a kid, Dota is the most played game in any Cafe's and Internet Shops around my place. And I like the fact that this game needs thinking to win team fights and clashes, it just exercises my brain a lot and I liked it. When I heard that Dota will have the version 2, the Dota 2, I was excited on what are the changes that have been made. So when I first played it I was amazed seeing how the game evolved in graphics. So this led me to building my own rig that can handle immense graphics updates of the game, this was the time I met Asus and ROG. Now I can play my favorite game without any lags and fps drops. And seeing that Asus ROG is used in the Dota 2 Boston Major is outstanding. I chose Dota 2 because...

raldzxd
12-10-2016, 12:31 PM
I have played almost every MOBA game out there. It all started with DOTA 1 when i was still in elementary school. It was the very best game that got me hooked. No console games that can bring me back to console gaming even with great stories and gameplay nowadays. Then came variations of dota, from HoN to LoL and others that keep coming up. Then Icefrog teamed up with Valve and created this awesome 2nd version of DotA with a new engine and stand alone client. The game just feels awesome, and the pro-games are really fun to watch. It has a complex learning curve and you can't really abuse heroes/skills/items anymore and that just makes it more awesome and fun to play. Other mobas do have their own merits but what really is great about Dota 2 is the community. Their might be some trolls here and there and cancers as we call them but overall, the community is just a fun loving competitive environment that supports the growth of E-sports in this digital world.

khrasnaya
12-10-2016, 01:13 PM
DOTA 2 is the best MOBA . . . nothing else . . .

Oniichan0222
12-10-2016, 02:06 PM
No doubt, it is the one and only "Dota 2". The prizes of every Valve Tournaments are just like living in a dream. Besides, it's so fun to watch and play. So yeah, best MOBA game is Dota 2.

terk
12-10-2016, 04:15 PM
for me its DOTa. Imagine how long it has been running, I remember playing it from dota 1 where the map version is 6.20 something. Then HON came up with similarity to DOTA but it went down after because it is trying to copy Dota. ALso every update and combination of heroes that you can use is really challenging unless you're using a MACRO then it would be a different discussion like when I saw the macro use for Meepo. well I haven't tried LOL because I think the graphics is not that nice (IMO) so please do not hate.

Danny74
12-10-2016, 06:08 PM
Dota2 ♥

amisfit
12-10-2016, 06:24 PM
Well to be honest, I don't really play MOBA's. But based on what I've seen whenever I watch e-sports events with some of the different MOBA's I'd have to pick DOTA2 as the best for me. I find it the most visually pleasing, and it's genuinely exciting watching people show off their skills in the game. I can tell it's a very challenging game and requires a lot of good strategy to be successful at it. That's about all I know. I'm totally ignorant. :/

tophe15
12-11-2016, 02:50 AM
Many are confused of what is the best MOBA game. :confused:
And in this section you will know my opinion of what is the best MOBA game.

First of all, there are many similarities on MOBA game but the difference are the gameplay.
They also have both uniqueness, but what wins my heart on MOBA game is the DOTA2 because of its graphic style and its very unique style of blindspot and wise moves.
The Graphics of DOTA2 if i were to rate is 10/10
The gameplay and its balance is also 10/10
and its UI on for first timer is also easy to use.

I have also played some MOBA games like LoL and vainglory on cp, although the LoL and vainglory have similarities on blindspot on grasses which removes its uniqueness.
Well that is my opinion. how about yours? :p

#DOTA2
#ROGxDOTA2

sfvdgv
12-11-2016, 04:09 AM
DOTA 2... Because you can't win alone in DOTA 2 unlike LoL. lol

dingo99
12-11-2016, 05:37 AM
I think DOTA2 requires more teamwork, so it's more entertaining to watch. Solo skill is great, but there's nothing like watching a team pull together like clockwork.

zzidane
12-11-2016, 06:11 AM
wow I thought LoL would have more votes with how popular it is by sheer numbers, seems like I'm under the wrong impression, at least in the rog forum. Anyway, for me it's DotA \m/ I just like the mechanics better.

joeMarvin
12-11-2016, 06:26 AM
For me the best MOBA is DOTA2.
It is the first MOBA i played and i believe all other MOBA copied the main concept from this game.
But unlike other MOBA there are three things that will make DOTA2 stand-out from the rest.

1.) META
- The heropool in DOTA2 is huge and every hero can be played in different ways. Laning and itemization of heroes deepely varies, you can play a certain hero in different roles. There are also different strategies you can use to win the game.

2.) Balancing
- I think on of the best asset of DOTA2 is having Icefrog as the main developer as he always find ways to balance heroes thru minimal changes and without breaking or changing the hero concept.

3.) Community support
I think the DOTA2 community is the best compared to other MOBA community as shown by the support in "The International" tournaments as we always manage to surpass the crowdfunded prizepool every year and make it the highest prizepool for esport every yaer.

HTcruz
12-11-2016, 06:35 AM
Defense of the Ancients 2

DotA 2 is free-to-play PC game released by Valve in 2013. This game is the sequel to Defense of the Ancients (2003) which was a mod for Warcraft III. The development of DotA2 started in 2009 and its beta version was open to the public in 2011. In DotA 2 two five-players teams compete to destroy the stronghold of the rival team called "The Ancient". The game has a top-down isometric 3D view. Each player controls a hero with its own particular skills, powers and style of play. There are 110 different heroes organized in three groups according to their main attribute: Agility, Intelligence or Strength. During a game heroes collect gold, rewards and level up and unlock new abilities which they can use to defeat the rival team. Typically a DotA 2 match lasts 40-50 minutes. DotA 2 is one of the leading competitive videogames which has managed to get over one million players online simultaneously. "The International" is a DotA 2 specific competition which in 2015 has set a new record with a prize pool of over $18 million. "Evil Geniuses", the professional team of gamers which won the "The International", got over $6 million in prizes.

League of Legends

League of Legends (LoL) was developed by Riot Games and launched in 2009. As DotA 2, LoL is based on Defense of the Ancients. The gameplay and mechanics of League of Legends are similar to those of DotA 2. This is 5v5 3D real-time strategy multiplayer game. The typical length of a LoL match ranges from 30 to 50 minutes. Players control champions (more than 120 available) who need to teamwork in order to destroy the other team's "Nexus" or capture and defend some strategic locations on the game map. League of Legends characters also loot items and gold, and level up improving their powers and skills. League of Legends is not only the most played multiplayer online battle arena game, but also the most played PC game, beating Counter-Strike, Fallout 4, DotA 2 and World of Warcraft. In 2014 over 67 million people played LoL monthly, reaching peaks of 7.5 million concurrent players.

League of Legends is more accessible than DotA 2, which has a deepest learning curve and is a more punishing game. For instance, in DotA 2 when your character is killed you lose gold. LoL has better tutorials to learn how to play.
In DotA 2 all heroes are free while in League of Legends there are 10 free heroes every week and the rest of them need to be purchased in-game.
The design of characters in DotA 2 is slightly darker than in LoL which follows a more colorful comics style.
Level cap for champions in LoL is 18, and for heroes in DotA 2 is 25.
Skills are more important in DotA 2 and more difficult to use them correctly.
League of Legends has four maps: Summoner's Rift, Twisted Treeline, Howling Abyss, and Crystal Scar. DotA 2 has only one.

danzzal
12-11-2016, 08:03 AM
You also can watch on how far Dota has come from this cool video by Valve. IMO, The high quality presentation alone already shows how they really care about the games and their players. From patches to patches, slowly making the game more interesting and balanced.


http://cdn.dota2.com/apps/dota2/videos/700/countdown.webm

ramos25
12-11-2016, 09:51 AM
For me the best MOBA game is dota2 because since i was a kid I started playing this game. I see enhance feauture time to time until the game upgraded to DOTA 2. This game is Awesome!!.

Blabs
12-11-2016, 10:52 AM
I wouldn't say there is a "best"

It's simply just preference and with which you grew up with.
It's quite the same with the mobile phones. Like Android and Apple. You like what you grew up with and mostly despise the other one.
I grew up with League of Legends and I do like the game for sure, even though there are a lot of toxic players, but even in Dota2 there are a lot. You might just not realise it, because you're either not playing with them, they are not communicating or the percentage is less than in LoL. Which is fine and obviously tends to poeple having more fun if not flamed for a stupid mistake or a bad game.
I have been trying out Dota2, but for me there is too much to consider, the map is packed with way too much stuff. In this case I like it simple, even though I like more complex rpgs. But once again, it's all prefernces

The discussions concerning which MOBA is the best mostly ends in a three sided argument.

1) The ones who like LoL and just try to bring down Dota2 with the most idiotic arguments ever.
2) The ones who like Dota2 and just try to bring down LoL with the most idiotic arguments ever.
3) The ones who either like another MOBA or actually do like Dota2 or LoL, but don't mind others to be happy with the exact opposite.

I truly hope for this discussion not to end like that.

Just to repeat myself once again:
--in my opinion--

Yes, there are more toxic players in LoL than in Dota2, but hey, there's a mute button and suddenly you don't even have to think about those toxic players any more.

The maps are quite different.
The map of LoL is simple, not too much fancy stuff (even though it seems like they are trying to add some stuff to the map)
The map of Dota2 is compley, there are more ways to get from point A to B and you at least some champions can even eat the map. Not the whole map of course, but as far as I remember I played a champ who was able to eat the trees, which were part of the map and normally they functioned like walls. (which is in fact a quite interessting ability)

The champs are obviously different and at the same time they do have lots of similarities. Not all champs of course.
As far as I know Dota2 has a bigger pool of champs, but as far as I know it's quite obvious, because Dota2 has been there longer than LoL.
LoL has a smaller champion pool, but is steadly bringing out new champs as well as Dota2 is.
Every champ has their own lore and their own abilities. Sometimes even the abilities of champions inside the same game do have similarities. The fantasy of game producers sadly knows limits and at some point you just need a new head for a completly new setup of abilites.
But in the end, both games have champions with abilites. It's a MOBA after all.

The graphics are totally different.
As some mentioned before already. In LoL the graphics are obviously unreal. Not in the way that it is not a real world (obviously...), but in the way that you couldn't place an object of LoL inside the real world, because everyone would notice right away that something is not right.
In Dota2 the grapics are more realistic. Champions, Monsters and Creeps aside. Some objects could be placed in the real world and nobody would notice, because it looks quite the same.

And in the end it all comes down to the preferences again.
Overall I like LoL more than Dota2, but I obviously don't mind anyone preferring it the other way around.
I even like Smite, but only because of you being able to play in fist person.

And I'm sorry to say so, but in my opinion, whoever is trying to talk a game bad is simply being toxic. It's just the first stage and not as bad as we always remember those toxic players in the game.

Thanks for reading :D

Wacky.69
12-11-2016, 12:01 PM
Well for me i would say LoL is the best MOBA. I have been playing league of about 4 years now and would say i like it a lot. I tried DOTA 2 but there is way to many updates and the gameplay wasn't that fun (not trying to make anyone angry) but i think it's just what you like and sticks with you. I'm open to try any game but if i dont like it I wont play it for long. Don't have much to say but league stuck with me and im still playing it because each game is different with different types of ways to build your char. Thats what i like.

Sheltem
12-11-2016, 12:23 PM
Well, personally I never liked the RTT genre (real time tactics, most of the games that claim RTS are actually badly disguised RTT, e.g. Blitzkrieg, from better known that would be AoE, SC/SC2), hence I didn't really get sucked in by MOBAs and personally prefer Smite, which is "kind of" different. At least it isn't directly comparable, as focus is placed on different things than in LoL, for example.

However, I have played my share of early Dota 2, RoI, LoL, HoN. Seeing how Dota 2 has been turned to move straight towards making the gameplay to be as much as LoL as possible, I would have to admit that LoL is definitely the pinnacle of the genre. Although if we had to compare the two, I liked Dota 2 better. Now they are both moving straight towards convergence, so it doesn't really matter.

All in all, Smite ftw xD

Omnisentient
12-11-2016, 12:49 PM
Being the best is something subjective. However, I believe that there are two types of MOBA game players or video game players in general. The first type are people who just plays leisurely, use video games as entertainment, while the second type are people who want a big challenge, who want a more complex and more competitive game. League of Legends and DOTA 2 are both the best for Type A and Type B players, respectively.

League of Legends can be challenging but at the same time, it is not very complex, it can easily be learned and therefor can easily be enjoyed. I have played League of Legends for many years and I must say that it is not that hard, I'm sure if I invest more time in it, I can definitely climb the ranks.

In League of Legends you can easily focus on farming because compared to DOTA 2, players cannot kill their own minion, denying their opponent the last hit, and making it harder for them to get gold. In League of Legends you can easily kite your opponent because there is no such thing as turn rate, unlike in DOTA 2, where there's a delay before your character can change direction and walk. There is no creep stacking in League of Legends, making it easy for supports to just focus on their lane, instead of doing something tricky just to give more gold for their teammates. Mages (AP) won't have to worry about magic-immune targets (BKB) so they can easily just spam their skills.

But with that all said, my final say would depend on what kind of player I am. So what kind of player am I? I am the type that don't want to play games that are easy. I want a game that has complex mechanics. So even if I have played League of Legends for years and even though I have never really tried out DOTA 2 yet. I personally would say the DOTA 2 is the best for me. This answer is based on my analysis and my personal taste and category of types of players, I decided to be unbiased about this. So yes, I would say DOTA 2 is the best for me, or rather, it would have been the best if I hadn't spend my time on League of Legends.

smilkyy
12-11-2016, 03:38 PM
For me the best MOBA game is DOTA 2 because if you compare it to other MOBA games, there are many differences in which I can say, that DOTA is better than the others. One is the gameplay, where you have "fog moves/juke/micro" in high grounds, trees, cutting trees, planting trees, illusions, etc. Also the map. The map of DOTA 2 is bigger and better, well we can also say that it is more complicated. Indeed, complicated in which it makes DOTA more challenging than the others. And for me, the more the game is challenging, the more it interests me because in life, there's no such thing as easy. Well same for DOTA. Because DOTA is LIFE. :D

smilkyy
12-11-2016, 03:44 PM
Smite is my favourite moba and i have played LoL Dota2 and heroes of the storm.I like it so much cuz im not a huge fan of mobas and smite is the moba for ppl who dont like mobas.

I also play Smite, but I main DOTA 2. And I disagree that for the people who don't like mobas, Smite is their option. If you don't like mobas, the go play RPG's like FF series, The Witcher III, Skyrim, etc... or FPS games like CS:GO, Paladins, Overwatch, CF, etc...

shinz14
12-11-2016, 03:57 PM
in my opinion, it was definitely DOTA 2.
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The fact from DOTA 1 map, it grows like epidemia for any gamer who watch or try it. DOTA 2 is the evolution and fact that it has a HUGE community and gamer all over the world.
It has so many things to consider in every aspect to become a good player in any role, there's item, skills, timing and many more.
That's why we're here because of DOTA 2. GL and HF guys!
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awawe
12-11-2016, 07:46 PM
I choose LoL only because it's the only game in the list that i played a lot (something like 2500 hours). I also played some Smite and it wasn't bad at all.

HiVan
12-12-2016, 02:54 AM
I would say League of Legends is better, I mean. League of Legends are somewhat more innovative. They bring new champions, more interactive units, and they address the slightest of issues with updates. Moreover, they are attractive to the eyes. Many people would say that it has the graphics for children, but I beg to differ. Many adults play League, and their graphics are alright. They have made a huge upgrade with their map, they are even changing up the splash arts and skill icons. New items are being put into play, which results in diverse strategies. And if you may ask, yes I have played DotA 1, A LOT. I tried DotA 2, but I got tired of it after a while. League of Legends is really the better choice for me.

HiVan
12-12-2016, 03:15 AM
I would say League of Legends is better, I mean. League of Legends are somewhat more innovative. They bring new champions, more interactive units, and they address the slightest of issues with updates. Moreover, they are attractive to the eyes. Many people would say that it has the graphics for children, but I beg to differ. Many adults play League, and their graphics are alright. They have made a huge upgrade with their map, they are even changing up the splash arts and skill icons. New items are being put into play, which results in diverse strategies. And if you may ask, yes I have played DotA 1, A LOT. I tried DotA 2, but I got tired of it after a while. League of Legends is really the better choice for me.

Oh also, I feel that teamwork is much more important in League of Legends than in DotA. Yes, individual skill is needed, but with the jungler ganking and limited teleport spell, communication and connection between players is very much needed. The spells and masteries made by LoL is also a tricky aspect of the game, choosing the right one may give you an advantage in the early game, and then dominating in the late game. I just really love LoL. Their professional gaming is also so fun to watch, that's a plus for me! :)

kumar623
12-12-2016, 04:48 AM
In comparison to the other games on this list there are extra things to consider in-game, such as checking enemy skills, item builds, denying enemy tower kills, and movement around the map is less restricted thanks to consumable teleport scrolls. This means that players are expected to keep track of more during a match and apply their knowledge in more ways. A lot can happen in a short space of time during a Dota 2 match. Team structure is a little more fluid, but the game-specific lingo still exists. Matches usually run for about 40 minutes and can easily extend longer, so expect to have to dedicate a fair bit of time to play the game.

I am passionate about this games have spent many hours of my life into it. I had won a championship also.61025

Bahz
12-12-2016, 05:44 AM
It seems like Dota 2 is winning by a landslide, I thought it's about time I chimed in on my thoughts and experience with the MOBA titles.

I personally played a lot of LoL because from the start it was just way easier to learn the characters and the systems and little did I know I would end up playing 3 years of it. I also played a lot of DOTA 1 and the first MOBA game in my memory was even more addictive than LoL but yeah I sucked in DOTA 1 while I was pretty decent in LoL. Moving onwards to DOTA 2 which I did also try, however I was never able to get hooked on this game. From the start I felt that the game was kind of hard to learn and I really disliked the graphics style and everything just didn't add up for me. I played for 2 months before I called quits because it just wasn't attractive or fun for me.

Putting everything into consideration, I have to vote that LoL is the best MOBA of all time because they seriously push out a lot of good updates (not always in my favor) and they've been trying to balance the game and the new characters are mostly pretty good and keeps the game interesting. Of course it eventually got boring after 3 years but that's 3 years of fun that I don't regret.

angelanz2
12-12-2016, 07:46 AM
this is a debate about "THE BEST" MOBA games. If one has to say that there is no best between DOTA n LoL, then whats your point of being here?

Second, I want to say more about DOTA. DOTA had just launch patch 7.0, the new user interface in picking phase attract me more than ever, this always-changing interface has been the major progress and to me, the reason why DOTA is so popular and always able to keep their players playing, you know, not get bored and will always want to play and try out things more.

danzzal
12-12-2016, 11:07 AM
It seems like Dota 2 is winning by a landslide, I thought it's about time I chimed in on my thoughts and experience with the MOBA titles.

I personally played a lot of LoL because from the start it was just way easier to learn the characters and the systems and little did I know I would end up playing 3 years of it. I also played a lot of DOTA 1 and the first MOBA game in my memory was even more addictive than LoL but yeah I sucked in DOTA 1 while I was pretty decent in LoL. Moving onwards to DOTA 2 which I did also try, however I was never able to get hooked on this game. From the start I felt that the game was kind of hard to learn and I really disliked the graphics style and everything just didn't add up for me. I played for 2 months before I called quits because it just wasn't attractive or fun for me.

Putting everything into consideration, I have to vote that LoL is the best MOBA of all time because they seriously push out a lot of good updates (not always in my favor) and they've been trying to balance the game and the new characters are mostly pretty good and keeps the game interesting. Of course it eventually got boring after 3 years but that's 3 years of fun that I don't regret.

Yeah, I agree with your statement. Dota 2 is a hard game. Might be the hardest one in MOBA genre due to its complexity. Even me myself who played for thousand of hours still learned something new sometimes. Plus, Valve also push lot of updates to the game, making the players including me to catch up with the new changes/mechanics/items/etc. But that's what made me like Dota in the first place ;)

waluhyo
12-12-2016, 12:05 PM
Of course DOTA 2 be the champion of MOBA Games, I can see in the eyes of Gamers that I know (my friends). They so love play DOTA 2, me too. In my country, Indonesia; the popular MOBA games is DOTA 2.

seirafrncsc
12-12-2016, 12:16 PM
Yeah, I agree with your statement. Dota 2 is a hard game. Might be the hardest one in MOBA genre due to its complexity. Even me myself who played for thousand of hours still learned something new sometimes. Plus, Valve also push lot of updates to the game, making the players including me to catch up with the new changes/mechanics/items/etc. But that's what made me like Dota in the first place ;)

Dota 7.00 will be up later, Welcome back!

shinz14
12-12-2016, 01:28 PM
Well, for me I really don't like to compare which one is the best MOBA game because I play DOTA, LoL and Smite. I chose Dota because it's my first ever MOBA game since when I was a kid. I started playing that game and I grew up with it seeing it get mature and improve ever since. I also remember that before we can buy Aegis hahaha. Defense of the Ancients 2 for me is the number one MOBA game because it is well-balanced. The heroes are awesome. They have unique skills that can be enhanced by buying items. You have to be the best at making strategies to be one of the top players out there. Maybe someday you'll see me play in Majors. That's my dream. DOTA 2 IS THE BEST MOBA GAME.

agreed with this!
from DOTA1with imbalance to DOTA2 with well balance and much more complicated to win and become a good player. Not just a map but a dedicated game for DOTA2 itself to optimize gameplay and many more!

DJFulcrum
12-12-2016, 05:12 PM
Dota 7.00 will be up later, Welcome back!

I heard that the game will now have talents and talent trees? I wonder whether this will make the game too complicated… Maybe it is an opportunity to have another go at the game.

Xxzero0000
12-12-2016, 05:27 PM
Well for me i would say LoL is the best MOBA. I have been playing league of about 4 years now and would say i like it a lot. I tried DOTA 2 but there is way to many updates and the gameplay wasn't that fun (not trying to make anyone angry) but i think it's just what you like and sticks with you. I'm open to try any game but if i dont like it I wont play it for long. Don't have much to say but league stuck with me and im still playing it because each game is different with different types of ways to build your char. Thats what i like.

My ally appear 😁😁😁😁😁

danzzal
12-12-2016, 05:50 PM
I heard that the game will now have talents and talent trees? I wonder whether this will make the game too complicated… Maybe it is an opportunity to have another go at the game.

Based on my opinion, it will be more complicated from the old one. The old one you have "stats" where when you skill it you will get +2 to all your stats, which are strength, agility and intelligent. You can level up "stats" all the way and maxed at level 10 which is +20 to all your stats. This is kinda boring since all game you will basically always get +20 in every game when you reaches level 25 or you levelled stats all the way to level 10.

But in 7.00, they completely remove the "stats" and add talents tree. This thing is like a path. Every path will give you unique perks. You need to choose only one from two path for every level 10, 15, 20, and 25. This adds another complexity to the game since you might want to choose the right path depending on the situation because once you chose your path, you can't go back. But, with that new addition, it will make almost all the heroes to scale better at the late game. In other words, this will make the game better and I really liked it a lot.

61040

Here's an example of talent tree from hero Vengeful Spirit. This adds another variation of play style possibilities by 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16 just from the talents tree alone!

Just like playing RPG game like Skyrim, once you chose your class ie thief, you can't change your class anymore.

angelanz2
12-13-2016, 03:32 AM
Based on my opinion, it will be more complicated from the old one. The old one you have "stats" where when you skill it you will get +2 to all your stats, which are strength, agility and intelligent. You can level up "stats" all the way and maxed at level 10 which is +20 to all your stats. This is kinda boring since all game you will basically always get +20 in every game when you reaches level 25 or you levelled stats all the way to level 10.

But in 7.00, they completely remove the "stats" and add talents tree. This thing is like a path. Every path will give you unique perks. You need to choose only one from two path for every level 10, 15, 20, and 25. This adds another complexity to the game since you might want to choose the right path depending on the situation because once you chose your path, you can't go back. But, with that new addition, it will make almost all the heroes to scale better at the late game. In other words, this will make the game better and I really liked it a lot.

61040

Here's an example of talent tree from hero Vengeful Spirit. This adds another variation of play style possibilities by 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16 just from the talents tree alone!

Just like playing RPG game like Skyrim, once you chose your class ie thief, you can't change your class anymore.

It does feel like skyrim, im still waiting for my update to finish, 6 damn gigabytes. Cant wait

HiVan
12-13-2016, 04:17 AM
I would just like to clarify that League is fairly balanced, for me. People saying that League doesn't require teamwork and a single fed player can 1v5. No, that's not true, if both teams know how to properly play the game, the game wouldn't be easy as 1v5'ing. Trust me, if you play in higher elo's there are games that are nerve-racking no matter how fed you are. There are also games you can't carry just because you have 20 kills and 5 deaths. As i have said before, League provides several objectives that can turn the tides of the game. Baron (League's Roshan), Dragons, Elder Dragon, Inhibitor, Varied item builds, etc.

oasis789
12-13-2016, 04:46 AM
From an esports spectator's perspective, what I want out of MOBA is the kind of complexity and depth that rewards high level play and makes watching that high level play interesting, so I would consider DOTA 2 the "best MOBA" for that purpose. It's a challenging game, which is why it's such a pleasure to see the kind of talent and skill at the competition level. But if I were seeing it from a casual player's perspective, then perhaps DOTA 2 isn't because of those reasons, it has a steep learning curve and a high skill bar if you want to play online, so get good and get good fast. So I guess it depends on which perspective you prefer.

Heivv
12-13-2016, 06:51 AM
I choose Lol, Because it's easier to use even for beginners. DOTA is good too, but it's harder to use than Lol, For new MOBA players.

monkeydluffy1466
12-13-2016, 09:32 AM
DOTA 2 is a MOBA game from a map of Warcraft 3 called "DOTA or Defense Of The Ancients". Everyone was shaken by it's originallity, uniqueness and difficulty. I think MOBA games started there. It became so hotter than Miley Cyru's "Wrecking Ball or Psy's "Gangnam Style". It someway put the world together, the world became one at that time, even today.

Let's talk about what is DOTA 2 more.

DOTA 2 is for real professional.
DOTA 2 need real minds, timing is everything.
DOTA 2 have better community, unlike *ehem*league*ehem*. Excuse me.
DOTA 2 have wide variety unique of items and heroes.
DOTA 2 demand teamwork, or you'll lose.
DOTA 2 is everything that you crave for. It's a fine cake. It's the best.

Thank you for reading.

danzzal
12-13-2016, 09:46 AM
DOTA 2 is a MOBA game from a map of Warcraft 3 called "DOTA or Defense Of The Ancients". Everyone was shaken by it's originallity, uniqueness and difficulty. I think MOBA games started there. It became so hotter than Miley Cyru's "Wrecking Ball or Psy's "Gangnam Style". It someway put the world together, the world became one at that time, even today.

Let's talk about what is DOTA 2 more.

DOTA 2 is for real professional.
DOTA 2 need real minds, timing is everything.
DOTA 2 have better community, unlike *ehem*league*ehem*. Excuse me.
DOTA 2 have wide variety unique of items and heroes.
DOTA 2 demand teamwork, or you'll lose.
DOTA 2 is everything that you crave for. It's a fine cake. It's the best.

Thank you for reading.

MOBA genre actually came from Starcraft custom map, Aeon of Strife. That is the first MOBA game. After that, Dota came out on Warcraft 3 engine.

Even though Dota is not the first MOBA game, but it is Dota that made MOBA genre explode.

najirion
12-13-2016, 11:32 AM
Not really a huge MOBA gamer but I know for sure DOTA2 wins this. Not really about the gameplay or from which publisher the game came from or graphics whatsoever but because of the community that supports the game, the volume of professional esports athletes involved in the game, the number of massive tournaments with massive cash prizes come are from DOTA2. Statistics shows it...

1) Highest Paid eSports Athletes come from DOTA2
2) DOTA2 is said to have awarded over $91 million USD vs $36 million from LoL tournaments.

Just look at the recent Boston Major, a DOTA2 tournament with $3,000,000.00 prize pool. The community support, huge fan base, supporting tournaments and volume of professional athletes involved in this game makes it the best today in my opinion.

DJFulcrum
12-13-2016, 12:18 PM
Based on my opinion, it will be more complicated from the old one. The old one you have "stats" where when you skill it you will get +2 to all your stats, which are strength, agility and intelligent. You can level up "stats" all the way and maxed at level 10 which is +20 to all your stats. This is kinda boring since all game you will basically always get +20 in every game when you reaches level 25 or you levelled stats all the way to level 10.

But in 7.00, they completely remove the "stats" and add talents tree. This thing is like a path. Every path will give you unique perks. You need to choose only one from two path for every level 10, 15, 20, and 25. This adds another complexity to the game since you might want to choose the right path depending on the situation because once you chose your path, you can't go back. But, with that new addition, it will make almost all the heroes to scale better at the late game. In other words, this will make the game better and I really liked it a lot.

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Here's an example of talent tree from hero Vengeful Spirit. This adds another variation of play style possibilities by 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16 just from the talents tree alone!

Just like playing RPG game like Skyrim, once you chose your class ie thief, you can't change your class anymore.

Now that you gave me a quick glance at the new talent system it is a great technique at scaling the game better at the late game as you have said. It is similar to the card system introduced in other games, but not quite the same. How is LoL’s levelling system in comparison to DOTA 2 7.0?

danzzal
12-13-2016, 12:39 PM
I also would like to include the comparison chart here. I know it's quite outdated in term of number of players and number of playable characters, but it's still useful for comparing MOBA games.

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1. Number of characters
From the chart, another major advantage of playing Dota 2 is that all of the characters are playable and completely free. This means that, countering certain characters is extremely easy as you can pick anyone without paying. Other MOBA games you need to pay to unlock the characters. Lets say your enemy pick character A which only character B can counter, but character B is locked and you need to pay to unlock him instantly. It's seems like semi-"pay to win" for me (not completely "pay to win") if you know what I'm saying. This makes Dota 2 is much better. You can play the "full" game, and delete it if you didn't like the game without paying anything. Of course you can use in game currency but that would consume lot of time which might be unfavourable to some people like me.

2. Number of players
For the number of players, I think LoL is still leading. I have no idea why the majority of people in this thread prefers Dota. Statistically there should be more people voting for LoL :confused:. This one LoL wins.

3. Number of tournaments
If I'm not mistaken, Dota 2 also have lower number of tournaments organised compared to LoL. But, I would go for Dota 2 in term of tournaments organisation. Even they have lower number of tournaments compared to LoL, their production value is extremely high. I'm not sure about the other MOBA games.

4. Number of maps
Dota 2 only have one map (the terrain is customizable though). For me it is better since it make the game much more consistent. It also make the developer to fix any bugs related to map easily since there's only one map. Everyone including the professional players will have to play the same map.

5. Penalty for death
One more thing, the penalty for death. The toughest one is Dota. You not just giving the enemy experience and gold, you also lose gold when you die*. This make the game harder and make you to play much more cautiously. As I said, I like difficult game, so this one I would give it to Dota 2.

*You can however not losing any gold by using all your unreliable gold pool. This one is another mechanics that I won't explain here since it might took long essay to explain ;)

So, overall, Dota 2 is better for me.

DJFulcrum
12-13-2016, 01:14 PM
I also would like to include the comparison chart here. I know it's quite outdated in term of number of players and number of playable characters, but it's still useful for comparing MOBA games.

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1. Number of characters
From the chart, another major advantage of playing Dota 2 is that all of the characters are playable and completely free. This means that, countering certain characters is extremely easy as you can pick anyone without paying. Other MOBA games you need to pay to unlock the characters. Lets say your enemy pick character A which only character B can counter, but character B is locked and you need to pay to unlock him instantly. It's seems like semi-"pay to win" for me (not completely "pay to win") if you know what I'm saying. This makes Dota 2 is much better. You can play the "full" game, and delete it if you didn't like the game without paying anything. Of course you can use in game currency but that would consume lot of time which might be unfavourable to some people like me.

2. Number of players
For the number of players, I think LoL is still leading. I have no idea why the majority of people in this thread prefers Dota. Statistically there should be more people voting for LoL :confused:. This one LoL wins.

3. Number of tournaments
If I'm not mistaken, Dota 2 also have lower number of tournaments organised compared to LoL. But, I would go for Dota 2 in term of tournaments organisation. Even they have lower number of tournaments compared to LoL, their production value is extremely high. I'm not sure about the other MOBA games.

4. Number of maps
Dota 2 only have one map (the terrain is customizable though). For me it is better since it make the game much more consistent. It also make the developer to fix any bugs related to map easily since there's only one map. Everyone including the professional players will have to play the same map.

5. Penalty for death
One more thing, the penalty for death. The toughest one is Dota. You not just giving the enemy experience and gold, you also lose gold when you die*. This make the game harder and make you to play much more cautiously. As I said, I like difficult game, so this one I would give it to Dota 2.

*You can however not losing any gold by using all your unreliable gold pool. This one is another mechanics that I won't explain here since it might took long essay to explain ;)

So, overall, Dota 2 is better for me.

It is great that you have added more perspective to this, many MOBA games are an unknown territory in my books. Though I have played both LoL and DOTA 2 in the earlier days, it has changed to keep up with the times and each respective community’s demands. I have touched Smite, but have never played HotS. Now that you have made the comparison, it is odd that DOTA 2 has taken such a great leap in this thread’s poll, but more understandable why the game speaks more to this community going through every post in this thread. Just by listening here I will rather get back into DOTA 2 than LoL.

shinz14
12-13-2016, 01:39 PM
There is always this misconception that different MOBA players hate each other, but that's just a small majority of the community. We are after all gamers and thus most likely competitive in-game and in the real world, so we feel that need to compete with others regarding our titles we choose to play and love and that's what keeps our favorite titles on tip of there toes to impress and keeps the development cycle active giving us great games in return.

I've been playing DOTA since ice frog was the one and only king of MOBA. So as the game evolved I evolved with it and for me especially looking back I can't believe how far the game has come. For the amount of things that stayed the same, the things that changes just keeps me coming back for more. The excellent mechanics and balance (there has been issues :o ) and the community that just keeps getting bigger and bigger makes all the matches a challenge forcing you to up your game and adapt to a ever changing dynamic. That's why DOTA is king and so many other titles copied that same song and dance to compete with it on a global stage.

that's right! from DOTA 1 evolve to DOTA 2 the competitive had grown to a huge community but for us players, it's normal to be competitive that's why we choose to play and gain exp to become more good player to compete others.

HiVan
12-13-2016, 05:35 PM
DOTA 2 is a MOBA game from a map of Warcraft 3 called "DOTA or Defense Of The Ancients". Everyone was shaken by it's originallity, uniqueness and difficulty. I think MOBA games started there. It became so hotter than Miley Cyru's "Wrecking Ball or Psy's "Gangnam Style". It someway put the world together, the world became one at that time, even today.

Let's talk about what is DOTA 2 more.

DOTA 2 is for real professional.
DOTA 2 need real minds, timing is everything.
DOTA 2 have better community, unlike *ehem*league*ehem*. Excuse me.
DOTA 2 have wide variety unique of items and heroes.
DOTA 2 demand teamwork, or you'll lose.
DOTA 2 is everything that you crave for. It's a fine cake. It's the best.

Thank you for reading.

Hello monkeydluffy, can I counter your argument.
1. So first, "DotA 2 is for (a) real professional" -- this is subjective, but technically, both have professional tournaments already. Respect League, won't ya? :D

2. Secondly, "DotA 2 need real minds, timing is everything" -- are you saying that League doesn't need any intellect? Actually, timing is rather important in League of Legends as well. For instance, when to push turrets, when to respond using your teleport spell which has a long cooldown, when to engage the enemy, when to retreat, when to fight epic monsters which provides useful buffs, etc. Indeed, timing is everything, and League also requires real minds. :)

3. "DotA 2 has (a) better community" -- I wouldn't want to argue with this one. But from my experience, I'll hand it to the DotA community. The League community has indeed many toxic and childish players. :p

4. "DotA 2 have a wide variety **of unique items and heroes**" -- I'm pretty sure League has more champions. I'm not sure, but that's what is mentioned above. Also, League constantly adds new champions. They revamp champs, change some champs up (Poppy, Taric, etc.). They also keep a check on what they'll have to fix next. As for the items, League also added new items lately, they also pay attention to changing the items. With that said, I don't think DotA has an advantage on this one.

5. "DotA 2 demands** teamwork or you'll lose" -- Again, this is a misconception with League. LoL also requires teamwork, good chemistry of the support and ADC is important. Critical ganks from the jungler as well as the other laners. Teamfights. Objectives (Pushing, getting buffs, etc.). Map control (Warding, pressure, etc.). IT IS NOT TRUE THAT BEING FED SIMPLY MEANS THAT HE OR SHE CAN 1v5 THE OTHER TEAM. :) Believe me, all champs have their weakness, and any champ can be countered. and 1v5'ing is rather impossible, so I believe that 1v5'ing or simply disregarding teamwork is a thing. League also requires teamwork. Simply counter picking the other player and battling with individual skill are the other factors to win one's lane or role, but seriously, it won't win you the game just that easily.

6. "DotA 2 is everything that you crave for. It's a fine cake. It's the best." -- This isn't even debatable so I'll just leave this one be. If you say it's everything that we crave for, a fine cake, and it being the best, then okay.

I'm still voting for League! P.S. I reacted as kindly as I can! Friendly discussion! :D

miztrniceguy
12-13-2016, 10:14 PM
I would say League of legends

SwiftyUS
12-13-2016, 10:57 PM
I've tried both LoL and Dota2 but just didn't really get into either of them all that much. I feel like their concept is along the lines of games I'd enjoy but perhaps I just haven't found the one that really gives me the enjoyment that so many other gamers seem to receive from them.

Sh3pathome
12-14-2016, 04:33 AM
First off I'll just say it now... Dota 2 is better, and I have played them both casually and competitively achieving challenger for two/three years in LoL and competiting in WESG APAC regionals for Dota 2 so maybe my word will be a lot more influential than others (those who only played one, I'm looking at you).

1. Heroes and Abilities - LoL > Dota 2

Both MOBAs have the typical 5v5 and a wide variety of heroes / champions to choose from, I always see people comparing them and in 90% of the comparisons made LoL players will say Dota 2 heroes are way more diverse and interesting whereas Dota 2 players will say LoL champions are more diverse and varied. General consensus is that the new and unknown game will always have the more interesting heroes. But having played both quite a bit I will say LoL takes the cake with this one, heroes with multiple forms like Jayce and Nidalee are always interesting and a lot of champions that can manipulate or use terrain to their advantage like Poppy or Anivia. To top it all off, runes / masteries / AP and AD scaling and summoner spells all create a huge variety for a way to play a certain champion. Sure, there are optimal ways to play a champion but there are always different ways to play a champion to suit your playstyle. AP and AD variants create 2 champions out of one like AD/AP malzahar or AD/AP shaco, other ways that utilize masteries and runes can create different builds for champions like tank/AD Rengar or Tank/AP/AD Ekko and even Tank Jayce. I mainly played Tank Jayce to get Challenger which says something about the variety.

In Dota 2 all heroes are generally played the same, you do see a few outliers like a vengeful spirit going carry or gyrocopter going support but the heroes themselves are the same, they just build different items. There are unique heroes like Meepo, Chen and Invoker but they don't really raise the bar too high. LoL also releases a champion every few weeks while Dota 2 can take months.

2. Map, Movements and Vision - Dota 2 > LoL

Both Dota 2 and LoL are better in their own ways. LoL has an extra big advantage option (Dragon) along with red and blue buffs which sort of adds a PVE element to it as well. Bushes are there to jump people and make jukes (BIG PLAYS) but the map is small and the trees and environment are two dimensional (meaning a tree has the same effect as a cliff they just look different). You can't really TP in LoL unless you have the summoner spell so rotations rely on you running to other lanes which generally allow the enemy team to capitalize on objectives / kills if they know where you are. Vision is important and with vision you can play around all the bad foreseeable outcomes which makes the game bland and plain boring (IMO), there just isn't much variety in what can happen.

In Dota 2 the map is bigger, contains more environment you can interact with (you can even cut trees to create paths). You can stack the neutral camps and save them for farming later and runes itself add a huge variety and depth to the game. With big movement items like blink and TP you can move around the map at any given moment (you can TP to allies). Smoke adds a huge feature in Dota 2 in which you aren't visible to the enemy unless you get close to them or a tower, there is scan to counteract this but the point is, you can be anywhere and the enemy can't 100% predict where you'll be and what you'll do. There was just a new update in Dota 2 adding shrines and changing the map around so there's a lot more to offer now.

3. Different approaches and strategies- Dota 2 > LoL

There is no doubt about this one, I'm sure everyone can agree with me, the world of Dota 2 is far more varied than one on the Summoner's Rift. Let's look at the typical draft first, in LoL it is almost the same every game, 1 top 1 mid 1 jungler and 1 support / ADC bot... You rarely see anything different and the worst it can get is a lane swap so top goes bottom and bottom goes top. There was a game where a Korean team ran an all mid push strat with Heimerdinger but I'll have more on that later. In Dota 2 there are way too many strategies that are used, sometimes 3 people in one lane, 2 people mid, 2 junglers... And the list goes on, but if you've watched or played Dota 2 you will know what I mean. Every game can start off differently and there isn't the exact same "lets trade farm for the first 15 minutes" that happens in all solo queue games in LoL.

4. Denying - Dota 2 > LoL

I have to bring this one up because the most common argument I have seen on the internet is "You can deny in Dota 2 but you can't in LoL", this is both true and false. In Dota 2 yes you can kill your own creeps so they give no gold and less exp to the enemy, you can't do this in LoL. However what you can do in LoL is indirectly deny creeps by pushing them to the enemy tower and get that to kill them for you, obviously when the enemy just went back or is roaming. You can also zone the enemy champion by standing on the other side of the way to deny too but this require you to be at a higher skill level than the opponent or have a better jungler. In Dota 2 "zoning" the offlaner is pretty much the same as denying him of farm so I feel this should count in LoL too.

5. Casual gaming - LoL > Dota 2

As a casual player, both games are similar in this respect as it lets you play with your friends and run strategies together or just play together as a group. In Dota 2 there are loads of strategies that will be viable and fun which makes the game fresh, you can run all carries, 4 junglers(????) do insane push or all in strats and they will all work decently well. I've seen all these random strategies that people use in LoL that work well like 5 man tps or double bruiser bot lane or something. They are all fun to do and you can pull it off against other casual players easily. You can talk and strategize with friends making different things work but they only work to a certain level. As a casual LoL / Dota 2 player there are lots of different ways you can play the game and most of them will be viable at that level of play. The LoL community is a LOT bigger and there are way more events to follow with LoL so maybe that will be better if you are in it casually.

6. Competitive gaming - Depends on what you are after

Dota 2 has the bigger prize pool, this year's International was almost $21 million USD, far superior to LoL's $5 million. The best in Dota 2 make a lot more money than everyone else and same goes for LoL but the curve isn't as steep. There are championship series for LoL which give players a set salary on the games they play during the Season if they manage to make it in making Riot the main sponsor for most people. In Dota 2 prize money will be the main source of income even though sponsors do pay out to some extent.

Dota 2 requires a lot of teamwork and trust whereas LoL just requires a lot of individual skill. I'm sure people will tell me I'm wrong but this is very true to a certain extent. In LoL you even have Korean players in NA / Chinese teams and they don't even speak the language fluently. I know these teams don't perform that great so you can argue that teamwork isn't needed but imagine a team of the 5 best players in the world, they can outskill and there wouldn't really be much teamwork needed because it is very easy to play with each other in the game as long as you have the information.

In Dota 2 there are so many things that can happen in the game and so many things for you to watch out for that make the game very hard, there are TPs, smoke, runes, blinks and even buy backs so you can't really visualize what's going to happen ahead of time, you just go with the flow with the information you have. In LoL the game is boring and has nothing much to offer, early game the only variable is the jungler and you can play around almost everything as long as you have the information and it's very easy to see the options. This is why Koreans are always the best in LoL (and SC2), because they rehearse a lot and can process information quick, it's easy to win when you can rehearse the same game plan 100 times and have no variables that make it go wrong (as long as you have skill to execute). If you see a jungler bottom you know the options are dive tower or get dragon so you can either play around top or countergank bot depending on what you have available. If the enemy top laner used tp you know he can't tp for 4 or 5 minutes so you can send your top laner to split push and maybe secure baron area. Vision can also decrease the number of various game playouts as well, if you can plan how long it will take an enemy to arrive somewhere or look at where can they be in the next 30 seconds you can play around that. If somebody is dead he is dead, no buy back so you also have information there whether you are stronger or not to take an inhibitor or something. Don't get me started on Dota 2... There is way too much that can happen and you can't rehearse anything you just have to trust your intuition and teammates.

7. Watching as a Sport - Dota 2 > LoL

Both games have hype and action, amazing crowds and massive prize pools. But I just need to say one thing here and that is: SKT1 won the past 3 LoL World Championships and the Koreans have dominated the scene. LoL games have the same strategies and picks/bans every single game it just feels like you are watching it more to see the players play not the actual game being played itself. The only game that stood out for me in LoL was the Heimerdinger all mid push strat which is definitely worth a watch. However Dota 2 is amazing in the eyes of a specator, there are still the main picks/bans but almost all heroes are picked and there are a LOT of strategies run with some of them being new and fresh. Dota 2 has become a great game to watch because there is so much variety and you never can predict who will win. Some of the most hyped up teams can come last place whereas a new random team like Ad Finem can come 2nd place in the Boston Major. So much can happen in a game that it will leave your mind puzzled and have you thinking what just happened. There are insane moments with buy backs, clutch spell usage, smokes and a lot more which makes every point of the game fun to watch. Meta is always changing and created even though patches stay the same, I think Wings were the first to run SD Luna and that itself created the illusion meta with SD being picked almost every game despite never being picked up before.

I've said way too much here but hopefully it truly shows how much better Dota 2 is overall, LoL can still be picked up as a if you have some friends playing it but if you are looking at a new game to start, Dota 2 is definitely the better MOBA.

altereDad
12-14-2016, 05:15 AM
Seems like DOTA2 has a commanding lead. I'm giggling at the LoL crowd

HiVan
12-14-2016, 06:35 AM
First off I'll just say it now... Dota 2 is better, and I have played them both casually and competitively achieving challenger for two/three years in LoL and competiting in WESG APAC regionals for Dota 2 so maybe my word will be a lot more influential than others (those who only played one, I'm looking at you).

1. Heroes and Abilities - LoL > Dota 2

Both MOBAs have the typical 5v5 and a wide variety of heroes / champions to choose from, I always see people comparing them and in 90% of the comparisons made LoL players will say Dota 2 heroes are way more diverse and interesting whereas Dota 2 players will say LoL champions are more diverse and varied. General consensus is that the new and unknown game will always have the more interesting heroes. But having played both quite a bit I will say LoL takes the cake with this one, heroes with multiple forms like Jayce and Nidalee are always interesting and a lot of champions that can manipulate or use terrain to their advantage like Poppy or Anivia. To top it all off, runes / masteries / AP and AD scaling and summoner spells all create a huge variety for a way to play a certain champion. Sure, there are optimal ways to play a champion but there are always different ways to play a champion to suit your playstyle. AP and AD variants create 2 champions out of one like AD/AP malzahar or AD/AP shaco, other ways that utilize masteries and runes can create different builds for champions like tank/AD Rengar or Tank/AP/AD Ekko and even Tank Jayce. I mainly played Tank Jayce to get Challenger which says something about the variety.

In Dota 2 all heroes are generally played the same, you do see a few outliers like a vengeful spirit going carry or gyrocopter going support but the heroes themselves are the same, they just build different items. There are unique heroes like Meepo, Chen and Invoker but they don't really raise the bar too high. LoL also releases a champion every few weeks while Dota 2 can take months.

2. Map, Movements and Vision - Dota 2 > LoL

Both Dota 2 and LoL are better in their own ways. LoL has an extra big advantage option (Dragon) along with red and blue buffs which sort of adds a PVE element to it as well. Bushes are there to jump people and make jukes (BIG PLAYS) but the map is small and the trees and environment are two dimensional (meaning a tree has the same effect as a cliff they just look different). You can't really TP in LoL unless you have the summoner spell so rotations rely on you running to other lanes which generally allow the enemy team to capitalize on objectives / kills if they know where you are. Vision is important and with vision you can play around all the bad foreseeable outcomes which makes the game bland and plain boring (IMO), there just isn't much variety in what can happen.

In Dota 2 the map is bigger, contains more environment you can interact with (you can even cut trees to create paths). You can stack the neutral camps and save them for farming later and runes itself add a huge variety and depth to the game. With big movement items like blink and TP you can move around the map at any given moment (you can TP to allies). Smoke adds a huge feature in Dota 2 in which you aren't visible to the enemy unless you get close to them or a tower, there is scan to counteract this but the point is, you can be anywhere and the enemy can't 100% predict where you'll be and what you'll do. There was just a new update in Dota 2 adding shrines and changing the map around so there's a lot more to offer now.

3. Different approaches and strategies- Dota 2 > LoL

There is no doubt about this one, I'm sure everyone can agree with me, the world of Dota 2 is far more varied than one on the Summoner's Rift. Let's look at the typical draft first, in LoL it is almost the same every game, 1 top 1 mid 1 jungler and 1 support / ADC bot... You rarely see anything different and the worst it can get is a lane swap so top goes bottom and bottom goes top. There was a game where a Korean team ran an all mid push strat with Heimerdinger but I'll have more on that later. In Dota 2 there are way too many strategies that are used, sometimes 3 people in one lane, 2 people mid, 2 junglers... And the list goes on, but if you've watched or played Dota 2 you will know what I mean. Every game can start off differently and there isn't the exact same "lets trade farm for the first 15 minutes" that happens in all solo queue games in LoL.

4. Denying - Dota 2 > LoL

I have to bring this one up because the most common argument I have seen on the internet is "You can deny in Dota 2 but you can't in LoL", this is both true and false. In Dota 2 yes you can kill your own creeps so they give no gold and less exp to the enemy, you can't do this in LoL. However what you can do in LoL is indirectly deny creeps by pushing them to the enemy tower and get that to kill them for you, obviously when the enemy just went back or is roaming. You can also zone the enemy champion by standing on the other side of the way to deny too but this require you to be at a higher skill level than the opponent or have a better jungler. In Dota 2 "zoning" the offlaner is pretty much the same as denying him of farm so I feel this should count in LoL too.

5. Casual gaming - LoL > Dota 2

As a casual player, both games are similar in this respect as it lets you play with your friends and run strategies together or just play together as a group. In Dota 2 there are loads of strategies that will be viable and fun which makes the game fresh, you can run all carries, 4 junglers(????) do insane push or all in strats and they will all work decently well. I've seen all these random strategies that people use in LoL that work well like 5 man tps or double bruiser bot lane or something. They are all fun to do and you can pull it off against other casual players easily. You can talk and strategize with friends making different things work but they only work to a certain level. As a casual LoL / Dota 2 player there are lots of different ways you can play the game and most of them will be viable at that level of play. The LoL community is a LOT bigger and there are way more events to follow with LoL so maybe that will be better if you are in it casually.

6. Competitive gaming - Depends on what you are after

Dota 2 has the bigger prize pool, this year's International was almost $21 million USD, far superior to LoL's $5 million. The best in Dota 2 make a lot more money than everyone else and same goes for LoL but the curve isn't as steep. There are championship series for LoL which give players a set salary on the games they play during the Season if they manage to make it in making Riot the main sponsor for most people. In Dota 2 prize money will be the main source of income even though sponsors do pay out to some extent.

Dota 2 requires a lot of teamwork and trust whereas LoL just requires a lot of individual skill. I'm sure people will tell me I'm wrong but this is very true to a certain extent. In LoL you even have Korean players in NA / Chinese teams and they don't even speak the language fluently. I know these teams don't perform that great so you can argue that teamwork isn't needed but imagine a team of the 5 best players in the world, they can outskill and there wouldn't really be much teamwork needed because it is very easy to play with each other in the game as long as you have the information.

In Dota 2 there are so many things that can happen in the game and so many things for you to watch out for that make the game very hard, there are TPs, smoke, runes, blinks and even buy backs so you can't really visualize what's going to happen ahead of time, you just go with the flow with the information you have. In LoL the game is boring and has nothing much to offer, early game the only variable is the jungler and you can play around almost everything as long as you have the information and it's very easy to see the options. This is why Koreans are always the best in LoL (and SC2), because they rehearse a lot and can process information quick, it's easy to win when you can rehearse the same game plan 100 times and have no variables that make it go wrong (as long as you have skill to execute). If you see a jungler bottom you know the options are dive tower or get dragon so you can either play around top or countergank bot depending on what you have available. If the enemy top laner used tp you know he can't tp for 4 or 5 minutes so you can send your top laner to split push and maybe secure baron area. Vision can also decrease the number of various game playouts as well, if you can plan how long it will take an enemy to arrive somewhere or look at where can they be in the next 30 seconds you can play around that. If somebody is dead he is dead, no buy back so you also have information there whether you are stronger or not to take an inhibitor or something. Don't get me started on Dota 2... There is way too much that can happen and you can't rehearse anything you just have to trust your intuition and teammates.

7. Watching as a Sport - Dota 2 > LoL

Both games have hype and action, amazing crowds and massive prize pools. But I just need to say one thing here and that is: Samsung SKT1 won the past 3 LoL World Championships and the Koreans have dominated the scene. LoL games have the same strategies and picks/bans every single game it just feels like you are watching it more to see the players play not the actual game being played itself. The only game that stood out for me in LoL was the Heimerdinger all mid push strat which is definitely worth a watch. However Dota 2 is amazing in the eyes of a specator, there are still the main picks/bans but almost all heroes are picked and there are a LOT of strategies run with some of them being new and fresh. Dota 2 has become a great game to watch because there is so much variety and you never can predict who will win. Some of the most hyped up teams can come last place whereas a new random team like Ad Finem can come 2nd place in the Boston Major. So much can happen in a game that it will leave your mind puzzled and have you thinking what just happened. There are insane moments with buy backs, clutch spell usage, smokes and a lot more which makes every point of the game fun to watch. Meta is always changing and created even though patches stay the same, I think Wings were the first to run SD Luna and that itself created the illusion meta with SD being picked almost every game despite never being picked up before.

I've said way too much here but hopefully it truly shows how much better Dota 2 is overall, LoL can still be picked up as a if you have some friends playing it but if you are looking at a new game to start, Dota 2 is definitely the better MOBA.


Hello Sh3pathome, great analysis may I just say. I have made my own version of your analysis, read it if you feel like it. Let me just say that I'm siding with League, call me bias or whatsoever, these are all my opinions. :)

1.Heroes and Abilities (LoL > Dota 2) -- Yes, League of Legends definitely won this. Providing champions with two forms truly provides a unique experience for players: Jayce, Nidalee, Elise, Gnar, Kled (kinda). And yes there are those champs who makes use of terrains or interacts with it, Poppy (uses wall), Anivia (idk), Talon (now parkours over walls), Skarner (has runes all over the jungle), Bard (Portal), Ivern (kinda, creates bushes), etc. :cool: And yes, summoner spells, masteries, runes, builds (hybrid, full ap, full ad, tank) also mix it all up. I believe that playing champions ALONE is a HUGE win for League, this is why many people find the game so interesting and so fun. Before considering the map itself and strategies to use, the entertainment you get from playing champions alone is what makes League so fun. And might I just say, I think the whole point of only providing 10 free champions weekly, while purchasing other champions with in-game currency (IP or RP) is to push others to stick to a few champs first and master them. Instead of picking random champions every now and then, it is better to get the hang of a few number of champions first, isn't that right? :rolleyes: And yes, it is also a good way for them to earn money. But still, I never used any real money to buy all of the champs, I earned IP through hardwork and constant playing. Buying champions through IP will make you appreciate them, I only get to buy a new champ every few days, and when I do, I test it out immediately. With the hardwork of earning IP, I appreciated that champ. That is all. :) (Respect that you got Challenger with Tank Jayce, BTW what's your IGN and what server are you in?)

2. Map, Movements and Vision (LoL > DotA 2) -- Hmm. Yes, the SEVERAL (I have to emphasize this :o) different buffs provide a more diverse gameplay: Red buff (burn damage + heal,), Blue buff (Mana regeneration), 4 Elemental Dragons (Mountain, Ocean, Cloud, and Infernal), Rift Herald (single player buff), and Baron (team buff; those who are alive). Compared to DotA's buffs which is, single? Or have they added more? Even if you include the runes in the river I still think LoL wins this one.

Yes, the map is small and the trees and cliffs are pretty much the same. Just different texture and different sizes. But doesn't the implementation of the bushes match this disadvantage? DotA 2 has interactive trees while LoL has bushes. Doesn't that make them equal? BUT, League introduced the interactable plants in League (Vision plant, "jump" plant, and the honeyfruit plant) -- you can also add the scuttler in the river that provides vision here. :)

DotA has a bigger map, okay, but I believe LoL is proportionally right. Nevertheless, i'll give this one to DotA.

TP & Rotations? I really think it's not that bad that teleportation is limited in League. It makes the it more crucial to spend it wisely, there are plays that baits the enemy of using their teleport thus giving the other person to freely push. Also, it is also critical in backing when going to shop. In DotA there is a shop in the top and bottom side and you can just buy teleport scrolls so that's what makes it boring (IMO). Also, they have couriers in DotA to bring your items. So you can just stay in lane almost forever? But in LoL, it makes you choose wisely: when to use your teleport spell, when to back, and when to push lane. I maybe biased, but I think LoL wins this one.

Vision? you said that in League vision makes it boring because players can avoid and foresee the bad outcomes. Actually that good in a MOBA, vision control. It's still strategy. Nevertheless, there are oracle lenses and control wards that counter the vision of the enemy. So it all depends on how well you place wards, how you destroy the enemy's wards, and signalling to your jungler where the enemy placed their ward. Vision wins the game, mostly. But vision is not something that cannot be bypassed. I'm sure that this doesn't make the game boring, but rather makes it more challenging to be honest. :)

I believe LoL wins this one. :)

3.Different approaches and strategies (Dota 2 =/= LoL) Here, you talk about the roles. I don't know much about the roles in DotA in both casual gaming and professional gaming. In League it's pretty much standard 1 top, 1 jungler, 1 mid, 2 bot. Actually in LoL, there is a strat that there are 2 junglers... but League removed that by raising the bounty of getting the first tower in the game. Thus raising the importance of pushing faster instead of jungling faster. You said "trading farm in the first 15mins." occur in many LoL games, I cannot say that this is not true. But the double jungle in DotA actually portrays this exchanging of farm. And with LoL removing the double jungle, that fixed the trading of farm by the junglers. Also, with the plants made in LoL it gives the junglers more way to steal farm or even hunt the other jungler. ("jump" plant in surprising the other jungler is really used now).

you decide who wins this one.

4. Denying (Dota 2 > LoL) -- you take this one. there's nothing to defend here. lol.

5. Casual gaming (Dota 2 = LoL) I wouldn't say that League wins this one. (Yes, i'm not biased) It is true that mixing it up with friends is really fun. Also, League has a big community indeed. But this community itself is what brings League down as well. There are many players in League who are really toxic and trolls that aren't completely "reformed" by the tribunal. Some doesn't get banned, while others get banned even if they don't deserve it. Yes, that is sickening. So I won't give the win to LoL. :)

6. Competitive gaming (?? > ??) -- this is why I don't get. it isn't fair for League to compare the money in DotA with it. I mean, DotA is already well known because of DotA 1, and DotA 2 is obviously the sequel. It has an advantage with reputation so it's not a surprise that it has advantage in exposure and money. I think if LoL was released in the same time as DotA 1, I think it would compete rather better than it has now.

LoL + individual skill, here we go again. This is not true to be honest. Teamwork, like DotA 2, is needed in League. For instance, without teamwork, one cannot simply push all lanes, one cannot simply go for the objectives (turrets, inhibitors, buffs), one cannot simply hunt the other players, one jungler cannot simply get a gank without coordinating with the lane he/she is ganking (the jungler would have to know where the wards are set up, as well as what summoner spells the opponents have). What if the opponent in bot lane both has flash, that would turn the tides for them. Or even, what if the enemy top lane has TP, while their ally top lane doesn't? That will also result to a countergank. There are also champion combos that is crucial in clashes. Orianna ult + Yas ult combo. What if the other person's ult is on cooldown, or rather what if the other player doesn't want to initiate? The players in League needs teamwork, synergy, and communication. Saying otherwise is just not right. Yes, there are koreans in NA teams, but they are also required to learn speaking in English or atleast know the simple words of it. To address this, aren't there pings in League? As well as DotA? This is a form of communication, right? And communicating is, I believe, a form of teamwork between players. Anyhow, there are videos made by teams wherein the korean players are urged to learn to speak in English. For instance, Huni when he joined Fnatic or Immortals he was aided in learning English so that he would communicate with the European/American players in the team. The team helped him as well as his Korean colleague Reignover. I'm assuming this is enough?

Again, you mentioned vision, but this can be countered with control wards and oracle lenses. Also, invisibility and camouflage are two different things now in League. :)

Lastly, the buyback. This caught my attention. Saying that this is an advantage for DotA is being biased. You're saying that being able to buyback spices up the game and makes it more "diverse". Meanwhile, I think not being able to buyback tests the players to be more careful in shot calling or else it will result to the enemy team getting the objectives. Rather than, "Oh I died. No problem, i'll just buyback because i have the money. Oh the enemy player doesn't have money? Well, good for me". That's the way I look at it, but I'm respecting DotA 2 players, I'm not against the buyback. But why look at it as an advantage over League?

HiVan
12-14-2016, 06:37 AM
Continuation to my comment above, I exceeded by 2000 characters so I had to cut it short...

7. Watching as a Sport (DotA 2 = LoL) Firstly, it's SKT T1 that won the 3 championships. Samsung is the team they beat lately. Not consecutively though, Samsung White won in 2014 (but yeah, another korean team). Anyways, yes the bans are similar and picks as well. But doesn't the blame fall under the players/coach? I mean it was their decision to play it safe or not and go with the meta. Still, haven't you seen pro players pick out of the meta? Lucian Top by Huni, Riven Mid by Faker, Kennen ADC by Rekkles, MF support by GorillA. Come on, these are not meta, but they still use it competitively. There are also players picking utility mid, like Lulu or Zilean. There are others who are picking full AP support, Brand or Zyra. Top laners who can be tanky or bruiser. Junglers who are tanky or assassins. Idk why people are saying that the picks in LoL are repetitive. Don't blame the game, blame the players.

With your reference of a team unexpectedly performing well, I bring you Albus Nox. They are a wildcard team who were able to participate in Worlds and beat some of the big names out there. They proved that despite being a wildcard team, they are a force to be reckoned with. Nevertheless, they got eliminated and in the end SKT won the finals. But what, is it their fault they bested the other teams? Of course not. They put in so much time and effort in their scrimms and developing new tactics. Duke will always split push. Faker will get all the attention from the enemy team, thus freeing the other lanes of the pressure. Bang and Wolf will just farm but then start a duel with their opponents. And ofcourse, Bengi will have his own play style, mainly to help their ace midlaner, Faker.

And when you said clutch plays, it made me feel like DotA players doesn't appreciate League at all. No teamwork needed, no intellect needed, same teams performing very well, come on. :rolleyes: Well anyways, there are also moments in League pro play that keeps us at the edge of our seats. Getting cheesed for first blood, Baron fights, tower dives, 2v1 outplays, Dragon fights, counterganking, TP from both top laners, mid laner ganks, 1-man backdoor, heck, there's also a 5-man backdoor ignoring the enemy team, and ofcourse, the fails. :D

That's all I can say guys. I respect that you think DotA 2 is better, I think LoL is better. Let's respect each other! Let's be careful in what we say, but yeah, this is a debate. It's alright to go savage sometimes. :p ;)

angelanz2
12-14-2016, 08:45 AM
Continuation to my comment above, I exceeded by 2000 characters so I had to cut it short...

7. Watching as a Sport (DotA 2 = LoL) Firstly, it's SKT T1 that won the 3 championships. Samsung is the team they beat lately. Not consecutively though, Samsung White won in 2014 (but yeah, another korean team). Anyways, yes the bans are similar and picks as well. But doesn't the blame fall under the players/coach? I mean it was their decision to play it safe or not and go with the meta. Still, haven't you seen pro players pick out of the meta? Lucian Top by Huni, Riven Mid by Faker, Kennen ADC by Rekkles, MF support by GorillA. Come on, these are not meta, but they still use it competitively. There are also players picking utility mid, like Lulu or Zilean. There are others who are picking full AP support, Brand or Zyra. Top laners who can be tanky or bruiser. Junglers who are tanky or assassins. Idk why people are saying that the picks in LoL are repetitive. Don't blame the game, blame the players.

With your reference of a team unexpectedly performing well, I bring you Albus Nox. They are a wildcard team who were able to participate in Worlds and beat some of the big names out there. They proved that despite being a wildcard team, they are a force to be reckoned with. Nevertheless, they got eliminated and in the end SKT won the finals. But what, is it their fault they bested the other teams? Of course not. They put in so much time and effort in their scrimms and developing new tactics. Duke will always split push. Faker will get all the attention from the enemy team, thus freeing the other lanes of the pressure. Bang and Wolf will just farm but then start a duel with their opponents. And ofcourse, Bengi will have his own play style, mainly to help their ace midlaner, Faker.

And when you said clutch plays, it made me feel like DotA players doesn't appreciate League at all. No teamwork needed, no intellect needed, same teams performing very well, come on. :rolleyes: Well anyways, there are also moments in League pro play that keeps us at the edge of our seats. Getting cheesed for first blood, Baron fights, tower dives, 2v1 outplays, Dragon fights, counterganking, TP from both top laners, mid laner ganks, 1-man backdoor, heck, there's also a 5-man backdoor ignoring the enemy team, and ofcourse, the fails. :D

That's all I can say guys. I respect that you think DotA 2 is better, I think LoL is better. Let's respect each other! Let's be careful in what we say, but yeah, this is a debate. It's alright to go savage sometimes. :p ;)

For heroes and abilities, to me dota is better.
1. Wars are easier to waged in LoL, i watched a couple games from my friend and youtube, for LoL you dont really need to spread up and split roles, you just go as a team and fight (this happens mostly before the creep spawn. Either you r a support or tanker, it really doesnt matter, group up and the war is on.*
2. LoL abilities are i think too powerful, evenwhen you are still level 1 which means you only have 1 skill. It is enough to injure heroes really bad. 1 skill and a couple of hits
3. Maps, Dota have trees and LoL have bushes which grants invisibility when youre in it. Now, it is mostly the same as MOBA legends (moba game for phone). If you compare it to Dota, trees are more challenging and provides better hideouts for heroes. With trees you can juke, you can take advantage of fog therefore making your enemy blind so they cant hit you. High ground and low ground also gives your enemies a hard time to chase you if you can make use of it pretty well. Different to LoL, although bushes grants invisibility, if your enemies are in it aswell, your cover is blown. That would be, well, not much of a help.
4. Managing. It is a lot harder to manage heroes and to coordinate in team fights and escape in Dota. For example, 1 hero is usually the bait to starting a war. You also need the right time to initiate otherwise you will mess up. It doesnt stop there. Usually you need ganks to help a bero get a kill. But it is never the case in LoL, if you are up 1 on 1 against a hero. You yourself is enough to easily kill your oppenent, vise versa.
5. Person skill and instinct. Dota wins the day yet again, with various items and skills, it is important to know when to realease or use it. You can also juke with items and skill, such as skills and items which gives you illusion of yourselves (manta, phantasm). By making your enemies chase the wrong you, that requires some handy work and fast response cause it requires you to first select your illusion and then make them run and let your enemy chase it, you also need to not forget about the real you. So yeah it is tough to control.
7. For now, i personally think that with the newly realeased patch 7.0, Dota still need a lot of trimming and balancing work. But it will always be the best for me. I also respect LoL for what it is.*
One more thing, in my country we play LoL from garena. When you are online (not in game) and want to chat to your friends, there is just no way for you to chat merely because no chat feature were given. It could be troublesome. Different to steam of course. And i dont know if it is available from other platforms.

HiVan
12-14-2016, 11:16 AM
For heroes and abilities, to me dota is better.
1. Wars are easier to waged in LoL, i watched a couple games from my friend and youtube, for LoL you dont really need to spread up and split roles, you just go as a team and fight (this happens mostly before the creep spawn. Either you r a support or tanker, it really doesnt matter, group up and the war is on.*
2. LoL abilities are i think too powerful, evenwhen you are still level 1 which means you only have 1 skill. It is enough to injure heroes really bad. 1 skill and a couple of hits
3. Maps, Dota have trees and LoL have bushes which grants invisibility when youre in it. Now, it is mostly the same as MOBA legends (moba game for phone). If you compare it to Dota, trees are more challenging and provides better hideouts for heroes. With trees you can juke, you can take advantage of fog therefore making your enemy blind so they cant hit you. High ground and low ground also gives your enemies a hard time to chase you if you can make use of it pretty well. Different to LoL, although bushes grants invisibility, if your enemies are in it aswell, your cover is blown. That would be, well, not much of a help.
4. Managing. It is a lot harder to manage heroes and to coordinate in team fights and escape in Dota. For example, 1 hero is usually the bait to starting a war. You also need the right time to initiate otherwise you will mess up. It doesnt stop there. Usually you need ganks to help a bero get a kill. But it is never the case in LoL, if you are up 1 on 1 against a hero. You yourself is enough to easily kill your oppenent, vise versa.
5. Person skill and instinct. Dota wins the day yet again, with various items and skills, it is important to know when to realease or use it. You can also juke with items and skill, such as skills and items which gives you illusion of yourselves (manta, phantasm). By making your enemies chase the wrong you, that requires some handy work and fast response cause it requires you to first select your illusion and then make them run and let your enemy chase it, you also need to not forget about the real you. So yeah it is tough to control.
7. For now, i personally think that with the newly realeased patch 7.0, Dota still need a lot of trimming and balancing work. But it will always be the best for me. I also respect LoL for what it is.*
One more thing, in my country we play LoL from garena. When you are online (not in game) and want to chat to your friends, there is just no way for you to chat merely because no chat feature were given. It could be troublesome. Different to steam of course. And i dont know if it is available from other platforms.

1. Yup, that's call cheesing. Grouping up in the first few minutes in the game to pick up some kills. But roles are clearly divided, mind you. There will always be a top laner, jungler, mid laner, adc, and support. (Given that everyone knows how the game works.) And also, someone would have to build tank, someone will have to build ability power, and someone should be attack damage. Things like that are basic stuff, it is in league. :)

2. Hmm, I really don't know how to react with this. There are some skills that are strong, true. But I don't think it's something that would easily kill a player. I mean, any player could dodge skills. Also, each champion has their kit different from others that is used differently as well. It all depends, honestly.

3.Bushes, too, can be used for juking and ambushes. It is true that it is not that useful if your enemy is in the bush as well, that is why zoning and proper positioning is important. While high ground and low ground, as you say, is helpful when enemies are chasing you, there are elements in League that does the same. For instance, the "jump" plant that displaces champions depending on the angle. Similarly, the scuttle crab provides movement speed when walked upon (if your teammate claimed it. This is somewhat an objective since it gives sight and mobility to those who kills it). So I think DotA and LoL has their own advantages.

4.This is just wrong in so many levels.First of all, you can also bait in League of Legends. What makes you think that you can't? It depends how the players utilize that champion. Secondly, timing. Timing is also needed in League of Legends. Knowing when to initiate, start combos, trade, retreat. Come on, how is timing not important in League of Legends? Or in any strategy games at least? Now, ganking. You say 1on1 against a hero is enough in LoL. No, that is not true, especially if one player counterpicked the champion of another player. It is not all the time that both players are equally matched. Sometimes someone will be bullied, have a hard time, fall of in cs, zoned, etc. That is when the jungler is useful. For ganks. It is true that a single person can another person, and vice verso. But you think that other person will let him/her do that easily? I think not. That is why junglers in League are there, to get & ensure kills for himself or for the laner.

5. Hmm... skills, you mean by the hero/champion? As mentioned earlier, League definitely wins this one. There are champions in League with two forms which has a unique set of skills. Moreover, summoner spells are present in LoL in which two can be picked to be used in the game. So I doubt that DotA wins in the diversity of skills. Moving on, items. I don't remember much of the items in DotA 2 but I'm just gonna point out the items in League with their special abilities. But we have items that is used for shielding, increasing movement speed for the whole team, 2 hextech items (one similar to force staff but with shorter range and damage, the other for shooting missiles that slows enemies, buffing an allied minion/creep, we also have an item that spawns a portal that produces mini creeps that could help pushing, item that builds momentum which increases movement speed, item that is used in forming bonds with another ally to improve stat (mostly used for the support and AD Carry), and more. :)

6. And lastly, this. I don't know anything about the new patch in DotA 2 so i'll let that be. It's funny you said Garena, because we use that third-party app as well. I think the countries in Asia use Garena to be able to play LoL. And sorry, but I don't believe the part that there is no chat provided. I can screenshot mine and show you that mine has chat in both Garena and League of Legends itself. I doubt that any online game, especially MOBAs, wouldn't provide any chat feature with other people.

Sh3pathome
12-14-2016, 12:33 PM
Continuation to my comment above, I exceeded by 2000 characters so I had to cut it short...

7. Watching as a Sport (DotA 2 = LoL) Firstly, it's SKT T1 that won the 3 championships. Samsung is the team they beat lately. Not consecutively though, Samsung White won in 2014 (but yeah, another korean team). Anyways, yes the bans are similar and picks as well. But doesn't the blame fall under the players/coach? I mean it was their decision to play it safe or not and go with the meta. Still, haven't you seen pro players pick out of the meta? Lucian Top by Huni, Riven Mid by Faker, Kennen ADC by Rekkles, MF support by GorillA. Come on, these are not meta, but they still use it competitively. There are also players picking utility mid, like Lulu or Zilean. There are others who are picking full AP support, Brand or Zyra. Top laners who can be tanky or bruiser. Junglers who are tanky or assassins. Idk why people are saying that the picks in LoL are repetitive. Don't blame the game, blame the players.

With your reference of a team unexpectedly performing well, I bring you Albus Nox. They are a wildcard team who were able to participate in Worlds and beat some of the big names out there. They proved that despite being a wildcard team, they are a force to be reckoned with. Nevertheless, they got eliminated and in the end SKT won the finals. But what, is it their fault they bested the other teams? Of course not. They put in so much time and effort in their scrimms and developing new tactics. Duke will always split push. Faker will get all the attention from the enemy team, thus freeing the other lanes of the pressure. Bang and Wolf will just farm but then start a duel with their opponents. And ofcourse, Bengi will have his own play style, mainly to help their ace midlaner, Faker.

And when you said clutch plays, it made me feel like DotA players doesn't appreciate League at all. No teamwork needed, no intellect needed, same teams performing very well, come on. :rolleyes: Well anyways, there are also moments in League pro play that keeps us at the edge of our seats. Getting cheesed for first blood, Baron fights, tower dives, 2v1 outplays, Dragon fights, counterganking, TP from both top laners, mid laner ganks, 1-man backdoor, heck, there's also a 5-man backdoor ignoring the enemy team, and ofcourse, the fails. :D

That's all I can say guys. I respect that you think DotA 2 is better, I think LoL is better. Let's respect each other! Let's be careful in what we say, but yeah, this is a debate. It's alright to go savage sometimes. :p ;)

HiVan, I've read most of your points and while some are valid.. But I can easily tell you probably haven't played Dota 2 much or have just played at a lower level and don't really understand it. Unless you have put as much time and effort into understanding Dota 2 as you have in LoL you can't really say you are "not biased". But the same thing can be said for me, I've probably played Dota 2 more than I have for LoL so maybe I'm a bit biased too.

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I play on OCE server which sort of makes me trash but I 100% guarantee I could get Challenger on NA at least if given the chance. I wouldn't say I'm that good of a player, if somebody asked if I was good I'd say I am okay or decent. I think I can achieve results because I understand the games a lot, I don't play that much and I'm too old for these games now. 25 years old and been working full time for the past 5 years, got a GF who doesn't like me playing and tonnes of other things on the list too. Yet I've still had my share of competitive experiences, just came back from Korea last month after getting stomped in Dota 2 by teams like MVP Phoenix and TNC in WESG which is probably my last big tournament for MOBAs. However I still understand the games better than 99% of the player base (probably) and my opininon is purely based on my understanding from both games. You are basing your opinions having only played LoL and only heard of or watched Dota 2 and even though you can still have your say, it is similar to reviewing a restaurant based on one dish you have tried.

Well yeah there are a lot of buffs in LoL which does make it more diverse in a way but this is only one advantage compared to the many disadvantages. You only have 2 jungle camps on each side (excluding buffs) whereas Dota 2 has 5 on one side and 3 on the other so it's not really a relativity issue. The bad thing with LoL is that if you send your support jungler and mid laner to top lane for a gank / push you will probably lose the game. You lose out two waves mid and their jungler will probably pressure bottom, it will take your team about 15-30 seconds to get back to the lane depending on mid or bot. If you look at every LoL game between Koreans it is all very much the same, compare the CS, look at the laning stage, mid game everyone will just shove lane and group up. It's a simple formula that works almost everytime and hardly everyone does it differently. Just because somebody picks a champion that isn't "meta" doesn't mean there is variety, I saw the MF support and Lee Sin support at worlds and seeing everyone hyped up because of a 'different' champ pick into a role just shows how consistent the games have been.

Yeah I agree LoL is a lot more punishing and mistakes cannot be made, if you play in a high level game and make one mistake it is pretty much all over. Whether this is a good or bad thing depends on how you look at it. I think it's downright stupid because there are no comeback mechanics to get back into the game, no high risk plays to help your team come back. In Worlds if a team was behind 10k gold they have a 99% chance of losing but in Dota 2 there are many ways to comeback and risky plays to be made, people come back from 20k gold difference all the time in Dota 2. If I'm playing league with a team and we are behind the same strategy will be called, push lanes group up ward baron and dragon etc. But in Dota 2 if you are behind, you can choose to do a smoke rotation, do a bait, gamble on a big rune, buy a divine rapier etc.

I worded that sort of wrong when I was talking about the roles, there is a lot more variety in Dota 2 trust me on this one. Also I played the meta where top laner would get smite and jungle too. Hearing you say double jungler as a variety of the game just shows how streamlined it really is. Did you know in Dota 2 you can even kill Roshan (Baron) at lvl 1 when the game starts? Riot sort of enforces the meta to shape the same way which confuses me as to what they wanna do with the game but that's a different story.

Competitive is not always about the money, sure that drives more people to compete but some players just want to win. I thought the competitive scene was pretty black and white, Dota 2 is far more complex and superior in many ways and LoL doesn't even come close. Believe me when I say that Dota 2 trumps LoL in the competitive scene and how games are played and the teamwork needed to win, it just isn't even fair to compare and debate about it. I did not say LoL didn't require teamwork, I just said that there isn't really much depth to it and sure there are many combos to pull off but they are all very basic, if you play in high level games everyone will take timers of flash, and it's so easy to just press r when you are Orianna and your Malphite is spamming his going in ping. These things should be a given and if you are making a professional team and one player cannot do this then that player shouldn't be in the team. The Chinese / Korean hybrid teams communicate in English and they are all Fob as hell. If you've watched any of the Mic check series half the time you hear the teams say in teamfights: "Talon Talon Talon, Lucian Lucian Lucian, Nice nice nice, naisu naisu naisu. Is that really teamwork and communcation? There is some of that in Dota 2 but there is way too much going on and way too much that can happen that communication is ALWAYS an issue I guarantee it.

If you are pushing high ground in LoL you only really need to watch out for their initiation and their tower. In Dota 2 however, you have a glyph to worry about, buy backs which effectively means that you have to be prepared to kill EVERYONE TWICE when taking high ground potentially. Late game the only thing you need to make sure you do in LoL is not get caught out, because being dead for 60 seconds could cost the game. In Dota 2 team fights late game can go crazy, with Aegis, cheese, refresher, divines and buy backs with BoT TPs there are just endless possibilities and you might even fight the same hero 3 times in one team fight, somebody could use a refresher orb to use their ulti twice, there are now "9" item slots so late game will only be more hectic. I could go on about how crazy things can get in Dota 2 compared to LoL but I'll hold off for now.

I did not base the advantage purely off the buy back, it is just an added feature allowing comebacks, big plays, a safety net and sometimes this could be the reason games go on for 3 hours. Buy back is not as simple as you think, a lot of big decisions are made or held off because it exists which affects the game a lot.

felixline0411
12-14-2016, 02:04 PM
Well..Well...Well..
i think Dota 2 best MOBA game...
Why ? ....
i Like dota 2 graphic + many choice of skill +item
after patch 7.00...
its god damn different
but i like it..
2 bounty rune spot for each team that will make our support easier 2 get golds...
connector between offlane with the jungle ( make us think twice how we ganke / from where we will gank enemy )[ITS TEAM PLAY]
more skill upgradeable that will make us think twice which one will we choose 2 counter enmy hero and etc.
thats all
BES MOBA GAME STILL DOTA 2

DJFulcrum
12-14-2016, 04:18 PM
Seems like DOTA2 has a commanding lead. I'm giggling at the LoL crowd

Yeah, and the LoL crowd is pretty silent on the elaboration like the in-depth discussions the DOTA 2 crowd is having. I wish that I played these two games more though, so that I could also contribute my 2 cents. I must say though, richly learned about DOTA 2 here.

I am currently thinking about giving Gigantic a go to compare with Paragon. The two seems to be very similar, but Paragon is more third-person MOBA where Gigantic is more shooter with MOBA elements.

shinz14
12-15-2016, 12:02 AM
Still dota2 is the best. One of MOBA genre creator works on it. This game is completely free and open- all heroes are there for everyone to play. This game is more mature than others, no silly oversized boobs and silly childish skins because its seruius game with serijus character saving world. Also this is team game where in LOL one champion can win all game, in Dota2 only a team play can win. But i think most eill agree, Dota2 has been changed and not for the best. I dont play it for some time. I dont want to buy compendium all the time, but most prpblem is bad players where pkaying 1h match and 1 bad olayer in team and you start regret wasted time. I remember when game were in beta, so much good players, lot of events.

still DOTA2 has a huge community and not all players are good but that's when you become complex to any situation even it is hard to blend to other player or bad player

MartinDraganov
12-15-2016, 06:11 AM
I've tried both LoL and DOTA2, and I was just never drawn into them. I guess I value a story more than a battle arena.

laranje
12-15-2016, 09:21 AM
LoL :
I think that LoL is better than DOTA2. I've played LoL for 2 years and played DOTA2 maybe only 10 games. For the gameplay,I think LoL harder than DOTA2. Coz, LoL prioritizing Skill first. For the example skillshot on LoL you have to aim the target manually. Another case in Dota2 you can use skillshot automatically (my experience playing Luna Moonfang). So, in this case i think DOTA2 easier than LoL.
Other reason why i love to play LoL is there are many interesting changes each patch(buff/nerf to champion skill/item) which is made that game more interesting, merry Xmas !

piciusz
12-15-2016, 10:33 AM
Dota2 is well established and for me Lol is too cartoonish so that's one of the reasons why i like Dota2 better

HiVan
12-15-2016, 11:39 AM
HiVan, I've read most of your points and while some are valid.. But I can easily tell you probably haven't played Dota 2 much or have just played at a lower level and don't really understand it. Unless you have put as much time and effort into understanding Dota 2 as you have in LoL you can't really say you are "not biased". But the same thing can be said for me, I've probably played Dota 2 more than I have for LoL so maybe I'm a bit biased too.

My Lolking is here: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/oce/293042
Dotabuff is here: https://www.dotabuff.com/players/86964173

I play on OCE server which sort of makes me trash but I 100% guarantee I could get Challenger on NA at least if given the chance. I wouldn't say I'm that good of a player, if somebody asked if I was good I'd say I am okay or decent. I think I can achieve results because I understand the games a lot, I don't play that much and I'm too old for these games now. 25 years old and been working full time for the past 5 years, got a GF who doesn't like me playing and tonnes of other things on the list too. Yet I've still had my share of competitive experiences, just came back from Korea last month after getting stomped in Dota 2 by teams like MVP Phoenix and TNC in WESG which is probably my last big tournament for MOBAs. However I still understand the games better than 99% of the player base (probably) and my opininon is purely based on my understanding from both games. You are basing your opinions having only played LoL and only heard of or watched Dota 2 and even though you can still have your say, it is similar to reviewing a restaurant based on one dish you have tried.

Well yeah there are a lot of buffs in LoL which does make it more diverse in a way but this is only one advantage compared to the many disadvantages. You only have 2 jungle camps on each side (excluding buffs) whereas Dota 2 has 5 on one side and 3 on the other so it's not really a relativity issue. The bad thing with LoL is that if you send your support jungler and mid laner to top lane for a gank / push you will probably lose the game. You lose out two waves mid and their jungler will probably pressure bottom, it will take your team about 15-30 seconds to get back to the lane depending on mid or bot. If you look at every LoL game between Koreans it is all very much the same, compare the CS, look at the laning stage, mid game everyone will just shove lane and group up. It's a simple formula that works almost everytime and hardly everyone does it differently. Just because somebody picks a champion that isn't "meta" doesn't mean there is variety, I saw the MF support and Lee Sin support at worlds and seeing everyone hyped up because of a 'different' champ pick into a role just shows how consistent the games have been.

Yeah I agree LoL is a lot more punishing and mistakes cannot be made, if you play in a high level game and make one mistake it is pretty much all over. Whether this is a good or bad thing depends on how you look at it. I think it's downright stupid because there are no comeback mechanics to get back into the game, no high risk plays to help your team come back. In Worlds if a team was behind 10k gold they have a 99% chance of losing but in Dota 2 there are many ways to comeback and risky plays to be made, people come back from 20k gold difference all the time in Dota 2. If I'm playing league with a team and we are behind the same strategy will be called, push lanes group up ward baron and dragon etc. But in Dota 2 if you are behind, you can choose to do a smoke rotation, do a bait, gamble on a big rune, buy a divine rapier etc.

I worded that sort of wrong when I was talking about the roles, there is a lot more variety in Dota 2 trust me on this one. Also I played the meta where top laner would get smite and jungle too. Hearing you say double jungler as a variety of the game just shows how streamlined it really is. Did you know in Dota 2 you can even kill Roshan (Baron) at lvl 1 when the game starts? Riot sort of enforces the meta to shape the same way which confuses me as to what they wanna do with the game but that's a different story.

Competitive is not always about the money, sure that drives more people to compete but some players just want to win. I thought the competitive scene was pretty black and white, Dota 2 is far more complex and superior in many ways and LoL doesn't even come close. Believe me when I say that Dota 2 trumps LoL in the competitive scene and how games are played and the teamwork needed to win, it just isn't even fair to compare and debate about it. I did not say LoL didn't require teamwork, I just said that there isn't really much depth to it and sure there are many combos to pull off but they are all very basic, if you play in high level games everyone will take timers of flash, and it's so easy to just press r when you are Orianna and your Malphite is spamming his going in ping. These things should be a given and if you are making a professional team and one player cannot do this then that player shouldn't be in the team. The Chinese / Korean hybrid teams communicate in English and they are all Fob as hell. If you've watched any of the Mic check series half the time you hear the teams say in teamfights: "Talon Talon Talon, Lucian Lucian Lucian, Nice nice nice, naisu naisu naisu. Is that really teamwork and communcation? There is some of that in Dota 2 but there is way too much going on and way too much that can happen that communication is ALWAYS an issue I guarantee it.

If you are pushing high ground in LoL you only really need to watch out for their initiation and their tower. In Dota 2 however, you have a glyph to worry about, buy backs which effectively means that you have to be prepared to kill EVERYONE TWICE when taking high ground potentially. Late game the only thing you need to make sure you do in LoL is not get caught out, because being dead for 60 seconds could cost the game. In Dota 2 team fights late game can go crazy, with Aegis, cheese, refresher, divines and buy backs with BoT TPs there are just endless possibilities and you might even fight the same hero 3 times in one team fight, somebody could use a refresher orb to use their ulti twice, there are now "9" item slots so late game will only be more hectic. I could go on about how crazy things can get in Dota 2 compared to LoL but I'll hold off for now.

I did not base the advantage purely off the buy back, it is just an added feature allowing comebacks, big plays, a safety net and sometimes this could be the reason games go on for 3 hours. Buy back is not as simple as you think, a lot of big decisions are made or held off because it exists which affects the game a lot.

Hey, friend. Great comeback, first of all. Yes, I maybe biased. And let me just say, we have the same type of girlfriend, lol. You pointed out about the response time thing in LoL, but that's the whole point of it. Critical shot calling. Nevertheless, what you said is true -- Getting CS advantage, grouping up, shoving lanes, etc. But there are alot of games that is more on getting picks and ambushing instead of a boring game that plays safe. Still, I won't deny what you said is true. Yes, that is League. So yes, I think I am realizing what you are trying to say, competitive LoL is boring and LoL is better to be played casually. Hmm.

I still believe that games being more punishing in League is a good one. It's just to urge players to play as perfect as possible. I mean, being able to buyback is kinda "OP", wouldn't it? If players didn't have the money for a buyback then it's pretty much gg for them. Moving on, in League there are also exciting plays like the things you mentioned (a smoke rotation, do a bait, gamble on a big rune, buy a divine rapier etc.) -- baiting is also a thing in League (no doubt). Gambling in buying high risk & high reward item in LoL, nope, we don't have that. We do have faking Baron or Elder, or just doing it to bait the enemy team to a fight because it's more or less a victory if that particular team gets it. Also, clutch backdoors, avoiding vision and finding a way to the enemy nexus. All that things. Not be as good as your examples, but yeah, just want to say it. :)

Okay, I believe you with the part that DotA wins roles since you said it like you meant it. And yes, I think it was Ursa was the one capable of doing that level 1 Roshan? I still remember that in DotA 1. Or is there a different hero that can do that now? haha. Well anyways, maybe that's not possible in LoL because the Baron has a different reward. A buff that improves all your stat except your movement speed, also it empowers minions nearby you. So yeah, it would be kinda OP if you could claim Baron early in the game. Moreover, the whole team gets that buff.

With the competitive scene, okay, maybe DotA really wins. Maybe your right. As you said it like you meant it again, I am going to believe you. (Oh and also, I believe you have more experience than me) -- I would doubt however that the combos in League are basic. Believe me in this one, there are many ways to counter skills in League. But yeah, that's not something new in DotA either. And I laughed how you illustrated the way Koreans communicated. That is 100% true, rofl. But with that said, doesn't that signify how League is a very fast-paced game and how players should be quick both mentally and "physically"? And focusing on a player in League requires teamwork as well, setting up properly and peeling for your carry and things. Again, that is not new to DotA as well. But all of these things, I would just like to specify. :)

About the things about pushing high ground in LoL, I have nothing to say back. You are completely right, and you made me realize that. I am a League fan, but in the late game, all you need to do is avoid getting caught. And to push, just be careful about the tower damage and be sure to be careful about the opposing team's firepower.

All in all, thank you Sh3pathome. I have no doubt that you understand BOTH games very well. And I think, I should be too. I might play DotA 2 again sometime soon. For now, I am 100% on League's side. Thank you for enlightening me. :)

HiVan
12-15-2016, 11:43 AM
Dota2 is well established and for me Lol is too cartoonish so that's one of the reasons why i like Dota2 better

Yeah, a lot of people said that to me as well. League is indeed cartoonish and can be played by almost any PC with integrated GPU at the very least. Haha. No complaints about how it's designed tho. :D

SadGhost
12-15-2016, 12:19 PM
Best MOBA for me is Dota 2. Dota 2 is my answer because I enjoy playing it everytime, no rest for my passion of this game. Dota 2 becomes the bonding moments for me and my brother that doesn't live in the same home anymore. I've become friends with others because of this game. And everytime I play I make sure that my teammates and even my enemies that they enjoyed our fight to make us more proud about our talent in this game. Even though I suffer from slow internet connection, I always find a way to play my favorite game and share the moment with my friends. Dota 2 will always be my game, even the latest change/patch will not make me hate or leave this game.

leopretorius
12-15-2016, 12:43 PM
Dota 2. Though my heart is begging me to actually say:"DOTA 2 EZ GGWP!!!"

Well let's breakdown what "best" means:
1) Overall enjoyment
2) Game design
3)Upkeep and Improvement
4)Visuals (Graphics)
5)Community and how it's controlled

I'm basing my analysis on these statistics supported by MY OWN thoughts.

I have sampled quite a lot of MOBA's but stuck with Dota 2 because it gave me a much better experience and enjoyment.

1) Being a warcraft all stars player Dota 2 has come a LONG way from it ancestor.
I enjoyed All stars because it was, at a stage, the only one of its kind and became very skilled at it. After sampling Dota 2 and various other MOBA games, my heart still stuck to my "1st love" simply because Valve took an amazing game... and made it better.
The graphics are better, mechanics are smoother and the community is larger... which means less waiting for matches and more playing.

2) The design of the game is flawless. There are very few bugs in the game and if one gets spotted, Valve quickly eradicates it to make the game fair. The fact that you have a hero that has no equal in the game makes it much more dynamic which contributes to anti picking (Making it way more competitive and sensitive).
There is NO hero that cannot be countered because of the vast spells and items each hero has and can gain respectively. In LoL, 90% of all spells are AOE and Skill shots (Target Point) which I REALLY enjoy but it becomes redundant when every player has the option for a "flash" and can use it at any given time, Dota 2 wins in this sense and ironically makes hero positioning that much more valuable. There is so much more I could talk about with the mechanics of Dota 2 but eventually people are gonna get bored of all the reading. One thing I particularly love about Dota 2 is that if you are a newbee, or if you are part of the Clan "Newbee", you both have an exact 50% chance of winning. I don't like the way a player gets better stats that helps in game just because you've played longer than others... Dota 2 take real skill and skill only to be good in the game, not relying on a "+2% attack speed with every hero because your player level is 9". All of the above I believe is better than any other Moba.

3)There are a lot of Moba''s but Dota definitely has the most updates. Sometimes annoying but necessary. When an update arrives it's usually visual items and alterations with hero skills and in game shop items. The alterations are VERY sensitively applied if Valve feel a hero/item is a bit too week/powerful and 90% of the time, the community agrees with the updates.
The visual items (sets) that come with the update are always gorgeous and most are affordable. What really caught me here is that there are THOUSANDS of items that are player created, giving people who have an artistic side a chance to grow their skill and make some money on the side. I have never been disconnected in Dota 2 due to server maintenance. If there is some to be done, you can continue your game and, once it's done, wait a very short while until the server is up and running again. One thing that I can say that I do NOT like about Dota 2 is that it takes a VERY long time to release new heroes, but with all my previous points I can wait :D.

4) Graphics, well I'll just summarize this one:
Best graphics in a MOBA with ratio to its visual theme (Artwork is closest to the aimed style).
Has the best GUI and Home screen vs other MOBAs.
Players can customize GUI/HUD, Map Theme, Heroes, Map Weather.
New to Dota 2 which I have yet to test is Dota VR which I expect will be amazing.

5) The Dota 2 community is full of all types of players like any MOBA. My main point in this section is to highlight that Dota 2 was only released in 2013, which makes it 3 years old, and it already has a much bigger player database than any other MOBA (including LoL which was released in 2009 making it 7 years old) If it wasn't the best MOBA, why are so many people playing it? xD
There are Bans and Mutes and AFK bans and so forth. Dota 2 has a control system that cannot really be abused. There are Mutes and Bans and etc... but it will only take effect if a pattern occurs with a player so, don't swear or feed too much cuz you'll get restricted :). If you feel you have been restricted for any reason, you can contact steam support and they will help you with how they feel is fair.

Overall Dota 2 is just an amazing game. I play every single day and I do so because it is extremely fun, I'm addicted to its competition, want to learn more about it and get better at it and meet new people from it.

I think many other people will agree with me after reading my essay xD.

Thank you for reading and all comments welcome within reason.

Quite a nice review, really like the points you made except "EZ" that is toxic to the DOTA community.

leopretorius
12-15-2016, 12:46 PM
DOTA 2. simple as that

;) Enough said..

leopretorius
12-15-2016, 12:50 PM
I'm very shocked to see that it's so one sided right now and no LoL fan have come to defend it.

LOL maybe all the DOTA fans here made them shy?

Quoth
12-15-2016, 12:51 PM
none of the above, MOBA are the worst

leopretorius
12-15-2016, 01:14 PM
The best MOBA, not an original, but a new entry to the genre, Paragon.

Why Paragon? Though a game still in development, but playable, it is rich with what is missing in the traditional mix. It is competitively paced, it promotes teamwork and allows a player to customise his/her own individual playstyle. It took the good elements which made its competitors shine, and improved on them. It is the best game in its MOBA stable as opposed to the lacklustre Battleborn.

Since the game is still in development there is much to resolve, especially the balance, but the cards, character and Paragon points add a uniqueness to the overall quality. It also speaks to FPS players which is unreluctantly to place their time at MOBA’s like LoL and Dota2, like me which had a disastrous experience at LoL.

From strength to strength.

I also find the concept of the game quite interesting, how ever I don't think you can say its the best MOBA out there if its so early in its life.
You're other point is also a mystery to me regarding; "it promotes teamwork", cause all MOBA's are built on that principal of teamwork to achieve victory. It's not up to the game to achieve team play, but each individual player. That fact brings me to my biggest concern regarding 3rd person MOBA's, each player focuses more on there own individual actions apposed to having a top view where you can see what each player is doing thus having a more robust team orientated experience. It becomes more an FPS brawl than an actual ARTS.

shinz14
12-15-2016, 01:26 PM
Matter of taste. Dota 2 is a bit harder than LoL since it has more mechanics (turn rate, denying, runes, etc) and I felt like the heroes were more balanced than the champions in LoL, but LoL was much easier for me to get into.
Both are very hardcore games with a steep learning curve, but LoL seems a bit more casual than Dota 2. Dota 2 on the other hand is much more rewarding and actually managed to keep my interest for two years now, while I got bored by LoL after 6 months.
But ultimately it comes down to personal preference.

I would play both of them but if i have to Decide i have to take Dota

yeah DOTA2 is much more complicated because of many aspects even positioning is a critical part like timing. Yet still we love how DOTA2 works!

CouZou420
12-15-2016, 02:04 PM
To me League of Legends is the best game.
It bring joy in playing and it never gets boring.
The true concept of the game is to bring players together as teammates to take down objectives and win games.
A game where the developers and the community care about eachother.
Every month we have interesting gamemodes and stuff.
League is a game u can play with friends all around the world and that is how i met my girlfriend..
League realy does bring people together..

Heprer
12-15-2016, 02:11 PM
Damn... I remember when i started playing dota 1(warcraft3 tft) back in 2005. Those were the days! This game sticked with me till present day, and i got a feeling it'll stick for many years to come. Now i'm playing both dota 1 and 2. I like the buying system implemented in dota 2 but somehow the simpler/cleaner graphics of dota 1 help me on team fights to have a better response. Happy gaming!

bengast
12-15-2016, 03:10 PM
So I voted LoL.

LoL has issues yes, there's always some champ broken (Camille ahum), or people flaming at each other and more. But when you look past that you can see a great fun community where people help each other get better, have loads of fun and more. Also Riot works incredibly hard to deliver a fantastic experience. They have been nominated for top 100 best companies to work for so that sure says something about their dedication. If people here have played LoL they sure remember when the EUW servers where constantly lagging, down, DDOS'ed and more. But Riot invested into making our experience better and fixed it with their new networking system.

I might not be a good LoL player or anything of such sorts, but I have fun and ain't quitting soon. I want to contribute to it's fantastic community and improve it, by being a better person and player.

Let's see what this season is gonna bring.

Hadid21Vpro
12-15-2016, 03:30 PM
Well, Now, I Will Comparing MOBAs: League of Legends vs. Dota 2 vs. Smite vs. Heroes of the Storm. Which Is The Best??


-LEAGUE OF LEGENDS (LOL)
All hail the MOBA king. League of Legends was one of the first standalone MOBAs, and it was able to transform the spirit of the original mods into a free-to-play money-maker. While it has faced plenty of competition, none have knocked it out of the No. 1 spot.

League of Legends got rid of some of the complexities of Defense of the Ancients (the mod for the real-time strategy game Warcraft III that all MOBAs grew out from), notably the capability for players to deny the other team experience and gold by killing their own minions. It also continued to add a steady stream of new heroes, and right now it has a gigantic roster of 126. It has added different maps and modes besides the traditional three-laned MOBA standard, but the original still remains by far the most popular


-DOTA 2
While League of Legends made some changes from Defense of the Ancients, Dota 2 is a pretty faithful update of the original mod. It features the same mechanics and even most of the same heroes. It’s the most technical of the four, so it’s probably not a great place to start if you have no experience with MOBAs.

While League of Legends experimented with alternative maps and game modes, Dota 2 is strictly about playing on the same field of three lanes between two bases. However, developer Valve has recently allowed the modding community to create custom games using Dota 2’s assets, so we’re going to see all kind of wacky variants now.


-SMITE
The biggest difference with Smite is its perspective. While most MOBAs have an isometric, top-down view (a carryover from its real-time strategy origins), Smite is a third-person game. This allows for most of the abilities to require aiming, which can make the experience feel more frenzied and dependent on player skill. Also, while most MOBAs have a purely fantasy setting (another carryover from Warcraft III), Smite bases all of its playable characters after gods from different myothologies.

Smite is also one of the few MOBAs to come to consoles, with an Xbox One version currently in beta. The third-person experience makes a lot more sense for a controller than the traditional, mouse-dependent top-down view. Smite offers a $30 bundle that gives you all playable characters present and future.


-HEROES OF THE STORM
The newest kid on the block, Heroes of the Storm is the most casual MOBA on this list. Unlike the other three, it doesn’t have an in-game shop that requires you to buy and use items during play. It also has teams leveling up together, instead of heroes earning their own experience. This can prevent players, especially poor ones, from becoming quickly outclassed in a match.

Also, each Heroes of the Storm map — while retaining the traditional MOBA objective to destroy the other team’s base — has an additional goal that can help your team. One map has you collecting gold coins to turn into a ghost pirate, who then shoots cannons at the other team’s buildings once you meet its price. Another spawns tokens around the map, and getting three of them curses the other team, weakening their minions and structures. These objectives make team fights break out much earlier than in traditional MOBAs. Heroes of the Storm is also something like Blizzard’s take on Super Smash Bros., in that its roster includes characters from all of its franchises.


Well, I Vote Dota 2 Because Valve Has allowed the modding*community to create custom games using Dota 2’s assets That Can Be Funny To Play It And Other Moba Games Doesn't Have It, And Dota 2 Just Have Only One Arena But All Char Here Is Free So You Can Choice It What Ever You Wan It, And Other Thing Dota 2 Have, That Doesn't Have It In Other Moba Games. I Hope The Best MOBA Is Dota 2. :D

Yunyang
12-15-2016, 03:34 PM
I think league of legends is the best moba because it has a lot of different Champion and each with a different playstyle, It is very easy to play this game *and the tutorial explain in a Good way the basic of the game for a new player. This moba is very enjoyful to play with your friends and you can choose the best Champion that suits you. You can play very competitive in this games and to see how many player are Good at this game, you can trust your teamates and it is always fun to play

danzzal
12-15-2016, 03:43 PM
First off I'll just say it now... Dota 2 is better, and I have played them both casually and competitively achieving challenger for two/three years in LoL and competiting in WESG APAC regionals for Dota 2 so maybe my word will be a lot more influential than others (those who only played one, I'm looking at you).

1. Heroes and Abilities - LoL > Dota 2

Both MOBAs have the typical 5v5 and a wide variety of heroes / champions to choose from, I always see people comparing them and in 90% of the comparisons made LoL players will say Dota 2 heroes are way more diverse and interesting whereas Dota 2 players will say LoL champions are more diverse and varied. General consensus is that the new and unknown game will always have the more interesting heroes. But having played both quite a bit I will say LoL takes the cake with this one, heroes with multiple forms like Jayce and Nidalee are always interesting and a lot of champions that can manipulate or use terrain to their advantage like Poppy or Anivia. To top it all off, runes / masteries / AP and AD scaling and summoner spells all create a huge variety for a way to play a certain champion. Sure, there are optimal ways to play a champion but there are always different ways to play a champion to suit your playstyle. AP and AD variants create 2 champions out of one like AD/AP malzahar or AD/AP shaco, other ways that utilize masteries and runes can create different builds for champions like tank/AD Rengar or Tank/AP/AD Ekko and even Tank Jayce. I mainly played Tank Jayce to get Challenger which says something about the variety.

In Dota 2 all heroes are generally played the same, you do see a few outliers like a vengeful spirit going carry or gyrocopter going support but the heroes themselves are the same, they just build different items. There are unique heroes like Meepo, Chen and Invoker but they don't really raise the bar too high. LoL also releases a champion every few weeks while Dota 2 can take months.

2. Map, Movements and Vision - Dota 2 > LoL

Both Dota 2 and LoL are better in their own ways. LoL has an extra big advantage option (Dragon) along with red and blue buffs which sort of adds a PVE element to it as well. Bushes are there to jump people and make jukes (BIG PLAYS) but the map is small and the trees and environment are two dimensional (meaning a tree has the same effect as a cliff they just look different). You can't really TP in LoL unless you have the summoner spell so rotations rely on you running to other lanes which generally allow the enemy team to capitalize on objectives / kills if they know where you are. Vision is important and with vision you can play around all the bad foreseeable outcomes which makes the game bland and plain boring (IMO), there just isn't much variety in what can happen.

In Dota 2 the map is bigger, contains more environment you can interact with (you can even cut trees to create paths). You can stack the neutral camps and save them for farming later and runes itself add a huge variety and depth to the game. With big movement items like blink and TP you can move around the map at any given moment (you can TP to allies). Smoke adds a huge feature in Dota 2 in which you aren't visible to the enemy unless you get close to them or a tower, there is scan to counteract this but the point is, you can be anywhere and the enemy can't 100% predict where you'll be and what you'll do. There was just a new update in Dota 2 adding shrines and changing the map around so there's a lot more to offer now.

3. Different approaches and strategies- Dota 2 > LoL

There is no doubt about this one, I'm sure everyone can agree with me, the world of Dota 2 is far more varied than one on the Summoner's Rift. Let's look at the typical draft first, in LoL it is almost the same every game, 1 top 1 mid 1 jungler and 1 support / ADC bot... You rarely see anything different and the worst it can get is a lane swap so top goes bottom and bottom goes top. There was a game where a Korean team ran an all mid push strat with Heimerdinger but I'll have more on that later. In Dota 2 there are way too many strategies that are used, sometimes 3 people in one lane, 2 people mid, 2 junglers... And the list goes on, but if you've watched or played Dota 2 you will know what I mean. Every game can start off differently and there isn't the exact same "lets trade farm for the first 15 minutes" that happens in all solo queue games in LoL.

4. Denying - Dota 2 > LoL

I have to bring this one up because the most common argument I have seen on the internet is "You can deny in Dota 2 but you can't in LoL", this is both true and false. In Dota 2 yes you can kill your own creeps so they give no gold and less exp to the enemy, you can't do this in LoL. However what you can do in LoL is indirectly deny creeps by pushing them to the enemy tower and get that to kill them for you, obviously when the enemy just went back or is roaming. You can also zone the enemy champion by standing on the other side of the way to deny too but this require you to be at a higher skill level than the opponent or have a better jungler. In Dota 2 "zoning" the offlaner is pretty much the same as denying him of farm so I feel this should count in LoL too.

5. Casual gaming - LoL > Dota 2

As a casual player, both games are similar in this respect as it lets you play with your friends and run strategies together or just play together as a group. In Dota 2 there are loads of strategies that will be viable and fun which makes the game fresh, you can run all carries, 4 junglers(????) do insane push or all in strats and they will all work decently well. I've seen all these random strategies that people use in LoL that work well like 5 man tps or double bruiser bot lane or something. They are all fun to do and you can pull it off against other casual players easily. You can talk and strategize with friends making different things work but they only work to a certain level. As a casual LoL / Dota 2 player there are lots of different ways you can play the game and most of them will be viable at that level of play. The LoL community is a LOT bigger and there are way more events to follow with LoL so maybe that will be better if you are in it casually.

6. Competitive gaming - Depends on what you are after

Dota 2 has the bigger prize pool, this year's International was almost $21 million USD, far superior to LoL's $5 million. The best in Dota 2 make a lot more money than everyone else and same goes for LoL but the curve isn't as steep. There are championship series for LoL which give players a set salary on the games they play during the Season if they manage to make it in making Riot the main sponsor for most people. In Dota 2 prize money will be the main source of income even though sponsors do pay out to some extent.

Dota 2 requires a lot of teamwork and trust whereas LoL just requires a lot of individual skill. I'm sure people will tell me I'm wrong but this is very true to a certain extent. In LoL you even have Korean players in NA / Chinese teams and they don't even speak the language fluently. I know these teams don't perform that great so you can argue that teamwork isn't needed but imagine a team of the 5 best players in the world, they can outskill and there wouldn't really be much teamwork needed because it is very easy to play with each other in the game as long as you have the information.

In Dota 2 there are so many things that can happen in the game and so many things for you to watch out for that make the game very hard, there are TPs, smoke, runes, blinks and even buy backs so you can't really visualize what's going to happen ahead of time, you just go with the flow with the information you have. In LoL the game is boring and has nothing much to offer, early game the only variable is the jungler and you can play around almost everything as long as you have the information and it's very easy to see the options. This is why Koreans are always the best in LoL (and SC2), because they rehearse a lot and can process information quick, it's easy to win when you can rehearse the same game plan 100 times and have no variables that make it go wrong (as long as you have skill to execute). If you see a jungler bottom you know the options are dive tower or get dragon so you can either play around top or countergank bot depending on what you have available. If the enemy top laner used tp you know he can't tp for 4 or 5 minutes so you can send your top laner to split push and maybe secure baron area. Vision can also decrease the number of various game playouts as well, if you can plan how long it will take an enemy to arrive somewhere or look at where can they be in the next 30 seconds you can play around that. If somebody is dead he is dead, no buy back so you also have information there whether you are stronger or not to take an inhibitor or something. Don't get me started on Dota 2... There is way too much that can happen and you can't rehearse anything you just have to trust your intuition and teammates.

7. Watching as a Sport - Dota 2 > LoL

Both games have hype and action, amazing crowds and massive prize pools. But I just need to say one thing here and that is: SKT1 won the past 3 LoL World Championships and the Koreans have dominated the scene. LoL games have the same strategies and picks/bans every single game it just feels like you are watching it more to see the players play not the actual game being played itself. The only game that stood out for me in LoL was the Heimerdinger all mid push strat which is definitely worth a watch. However Dota 2 is amazing in the eyes of a specator, there are still the main picks/bans but almost all heroes are picked and there are a LOT of strategies run with some of them being new and fresh. Dota 2 has become a great game to watch because there is so much variety and you never can predict who will win. Some of the most hyped up teams can come last place whereas a new random team like Ad Finem can come 2nd place in the Boston Major. So much can happen in a game that it will leave your mind puzzled and have you thinking what just happened. There are insane moments with buy backs, clutch spell usage, smokes and a lot more which makes every point of the game fun to watch. Meta is always changing and created even though patches stay the same, I think Wings were the first to run SD Luna and that itself created the illusion meta with SD being picked almost every game despite never being picked up before.

I've said way too much here but hopefully it truly shows how much better Dota 2 is overall, LoL can still be picked up as a if you have some friends playing it but if you are looking at a new game to start, Dota 2 is definitely the better MOBA.

A very well elaborated points from an experienced Dota 2 and LoL player. I've read all the points and I'm glad to see that we have the same perspective :)

DJFulcrum
12-15-2016, 03:56 PM
I also find the concept of the game quite interesting, how ever I don't think you can say its the best MOBA out there if its so early in its life.
You're other point is also a mystery to me regarding; "it promotes teamwork", cause all MOBA's are built on that principal of teamwork to achieve victory. It's not up to the game to achieve team play, but each individual player. That fact brings me to my biggest concern regarding 3rd person MOBA's, each player focuses more on there own individual actions apposed to having a top view where you can see what each player is doing thus having a more robust team orientated experience. It becomes more an FPS brawl than an actual ARTS.

I have been playing the game since it had gone Beta, got me hooked. Fresh.

As an CSGO player, the teamwork carries the same merit, where voice commands/updates, roles and map knowledge are critical to achieving success which also is applicable to any team based game, but where you have mentioned that players attend more to their own individual actions as opposed to the top view where the traditional MOBAs have a more robust team orientated experience I may argue with my CSGO experience that there is no consistency without a team. Teams are built on the learning curve, strengths, individual skill, risk and trust, to promote individual contributions. Once you go PvP as a team, the card customisation largely contribute to the overall strategy. As long as there is communication the teamwork is as robust as any 'top down' MOBA.

Even as a new game, I have only had one or two PvP’s where non-team players were on the team, every other game the team, together, contributed throughout the 1st phase all the way towards the end game. We are already more than 5 regulars playing the game. I have also had at many times experienced non-team players on other MOBA's, especially due to mistaken matchmaking, though any online game is exposed to this.

I am yet to experience toxicity in solo queuing.

curtislu
12-15-2016, 04:31 PM
It just has the best updates and expansions

proscriptus
12-15-2016, 06:01 PM
I go with LoL just because it's so entertaining to watch, which I think is the whole point.

SergUA
12-15-2016, 06:36 PM
I am not a huge fan of mobas . think is the best MOBA game LoL

Yahia700
12-15-2016, 07:42 PM
for me ,i think it's dota 2 since its the only one i play :D

XaiDaX
12-15-2016, 08:31 PM
Let's be honest.. I've been playing League of Legends for over 6 years. Not seriously good at it but fairly decent. When there aren't any trolls and flamers and toxic people, it becomes my favorite MOBA. So let me talk about why it's my favorite?
It's my favorite because it's so fun to play with friends. There are endless possibilities in the game and that's what I really enjoy. You can get competitive with friends or even have full out random champ select games (if you know what I mean). Not only that, but the graphics aren't that bad. I enjoy all the colors that the game has to offer- especially when you set it on max graphics. The graphics aren't too demanding which is really nice! You also have different champions to match your play style; every game has that too, but I feel that LoL requires more skill, mechanics, and being one with the champ.
I definitely feel that I enjoy this game a lot better!
That's why it's my favorite game.

unicul
12-15-2016, 08:58 PM
Dota 2 - because it was my first ROG that i understand it and play it!

XaiDaX
12-15-2016, 09:18 PM
Well, for me I really don't like to compare which one is the best MOBA game because I play DOTA, LoL and Smite. I chose Dota because it's my first ever MOBA game since when I was a kid. I started playing that game and I grew up with it seeing it get mature and improve ever since. I also remember that before we can buy Aegis hahaha. Defense of the Ancients 2 for me is the number one MOBA game because it is well-balanced. The heroes are awesome. They have unique skills that can be enhanced by buying items. You have to be the best at making strategies to be one of the top players out there. Maybe someday you'll see me play in Majors. That's my dream. DOTA 2 IS THE BEST MOBA GAME.

I can definitely relate! I played DOTA when I was little. Grew up playing it with AREM and it was the most fun! I had a great time playing it with friends and family and it was one of my favorites since I was little. Who is your favorite character?

neroangel23
12-15-2016, 10:56 PM
The best MOBA would be DOTA 2.
few short personal reasons.
1. Fighting for your lane is more challenging.
-shifting creep agro
-last hitting and denying
-creep equilibrium

2. much more fulfilling map awareness and dominance
-random rune locations
-neutrals and ancients
-creep pulling and stacking

3. Graphics
-much more intricate map textures
-spells look great
-customization is almost endless and is modular

4. skills are more diverse and interesting
-counters
-supplements
-complements
-combos

metro0o
12-15-2016, 11:22 PM
my reply will be :
i choose league of legends because i played it more than 4 years. and tested alot of this game and what they have introduced to us,

PROS:

they are really paying attention to the :-

1- skins
2- map graphics
3- team combos / champions spells when activated together
4- variety of options when it comes to champion selection
5- servers all over the world

CONS:

they are having trouble doing :-

1- balance to the champions ; not all the assassins, tanks, fighters and supports are equal.
2- making people select one role to play all over the game-career
3- punishment to Unsports-man like players: not all bad players are penalized and even if they it is not equal to all

Nerlen_Poi
12-15-2016, 11:38 PM
Best moba ,I feel, is lol. I may be a bit biased as all of my friends play it, but its a game where I can just go in and relax and play a chill game.

The graphics i feel look better than Dota 2, but the community is saltier than the dead sea.

TheRoonDogg
12-15-2016, 11:52 PM
I'm not a MOBA player so I legitimately have no clue. I'm aware of how huge LoL and DOTA are, they seem to have consistently massive audiences on Twitch, but it's all too slow for me.

Hestar69
12-16-2016, 12:03 AM
LOL or dota 2 you can't go wrong with either but I vote for Dota :)

Nugwan
12-16-2016, 12:05 AM
For me the best MOBA is whatever I'm in the mood for. I don't have 1 that I consider to be above the rest, I love them all! I used to have just one game that I preferred but I burnt out and now I find that the more games I enjoy playing the more I enjoy playing games. I'm too old to get caught up in just one game, I prefer to sample them all. Every game has something slightly different to offer, why not take the the scenic route and enjoy everything?

Vegeta100
12-16-2016, 12:09 AM
i voted for dota

teteng
12-16-2016, 12:26 AM
I voted 'other' becoz I think Smite is the best MOBA out there. It has the best content and each champion (god) is well made :)
Environment -- ✔
Overall Graphics -- ✔
Content -- ✔
Requires teamwork & pro-skill -- ✔ :D

louie9588
12-16-2016, 12:30 AM
I genuinely find Heroes Of The Storm much easier to get into as someone that doesn't play MOBAs a lot. But also is my pick for the variety of gameplay. Each newer character seems to do a lot to mix up the play style.

RenAma
12-16-2016, 12:55 AM
The mostly important part of any entertainment is the message: Is what make your life worthy, what make meaning to life. Maybe that meaning is in the silence or in the noise, but what matters is what make you play, then, Dota, League of Legends, any game, any moba can be better for your meaning.That two bigger games (Dota and LOL) make a lot of meanings for many people, changed the world, but what do you think about the ''best MOBA'' or best something else? That meaning is only inside you.

amggotleir
12-16-2016, 01:15 AM
HoN, simply the best, better than all the rest.
Jk, well imo i find all the moba games are dying and get boring real fast. LoL is only popular because of money, has the worst graphics, very choppy gameplay and bad ui, and you gotta farm a million years to even play all the champions. Dota 2 is ok moba, an upgrade in terms of gameplay from LoL, but it gets boring fast, and there is more money to be earned in LoL. HoN on the other hand has the most fluid gameplay out of these games with the best ui, overall i find it the most fun to play as a game and better than the other games in every single aspect, but it has no big competitions or $$ involved so in the end there isnt really any point to play the game. Also the community in HoN is pretty bad.
Just my 2 cents

ClaudioKK
12-16-2016, 01:44 AM
I have over 3k hours in LoL and in my opinion this game is more skill based, you have to be really fast and good at fight. In Dota 2 it is like more stategy, it doesnt depend on player skills like it is in LoL in my opinion. After playing like 50 hours in Dota 2 I just can't play more, the camera, mechanics, the UI, I just donìt find it confortable for me. And I also think that LoL has more player because its mechanics are easier to learn. Just my opinion guys. :):)

Bahz
12-16-2016, 01:44 AM
This discussion has heated up and it seems like LoL has kind of caught up a little bit to DOTA 2, however it seems pretty clear cut which title is viewed as the best MOBA game.

I've seen some posts where there's no real answer, please note if you didn't clearly state your choice and provided your explanation then it won't count as an entry towards the biweekly prize draw.

7he3vent
12-16-2016, 01:53 AM
Well, it's just my opinion but dota its the most balanced MOBA right now and its the perfect example that a MOBA must be... Only way to have success in this game it's by team work, impossible if you play alone.

Obi-Juan
12-16-2016, 03:01 AM
Maybe it's because I'm a Blizzard fan and relative MOBA noob, but I found HotS to be the most accessible MOBA. I felt so lost in DOTA and LoL. Having a familiarity with the Blizzard lorehelped me get into the gameplay. Also, regardless of how you feel about the game, you have to admit Blizzard puts out a polished product.

chemy
12-16-2016, 03:09 AM
LoL

feel like a hero
12-16-2016, 03:15 AM
As a kid, I loved the warcraft campaign. The magical and brutal world of warcraft. Slowly, people introduce me to the defence of the ancients. Most will tell you why Dota2 is a superior game because of it's gameplay or it's origins. But Dota2 played a different role for me, It provided me with the feeling of being a hero after a long hard day. I've been playing Dota2 since I was 11, now I'm in university. Because of lack of farming, I can't afford a better computer than my 5 years old laptop. Because of the 7.00 patch, my computer can no longer run Dota2. So i'm just here, hoping to win this prize. Hoping for a Christmas miracle.

c4rly
12-16-2016, 06:48 AM
I vote Dota 2 for the extensive community, interactive gameplay, intensive team battles and interesting gaming scenarios every time which makes it super exciting and challenging.

trembeczkib
12-16-2016, 07:39 AM
Hello!
In my opinion LoL is better. Why is that?
Because altough I find DOTA extremly fun to play most of the time, i honestly think that it needs more skill and much deeper understanding to play it properly (yes for example I suck at it), while LoL seems much more simplified. Obviously you can say that it doesn't make a gmae good that everybody can play it but I think it DOES indeed.
Have fun :)
B.

ZhadowFayde
12-16-2016, 07:44 AM
Well I just look into the thread its Dota 2 written all over it :D. i would have debate the **** out of it But these folks have done it , Although I'm pretty sure Hands Down to Dota 2. I play league of legends as well but all in all Dota/Dota 2 is still the Original MOBA there is. And therefore the fits to be BEST out of most MOBA games out there.:cool:

Jietse
12-16-2016, 10:47 AM
I voted for DOTA 2, because of its many features and large gamer database! ;)

Simplecookie
12-16-2016, 11:21 AM
Most people have compared Dota, Dota 2 and League of Legends as well as Smite and Heroes of the Storm. I have skimmed through all the entries so far but I couldn't see anyone mentioning my favourite MOBA, Heroes of Newerth. I have tried Dota from Warcraft 3 The Frozen Throne, Dota 2 and League of Legends and even so, I can clearly say I enjoy Heroes of Newerth the most.

The best part about Heroes of Newerth is the communication, sure a lot of people are toxic, me included at times, but at least we communicate. On league, voice chat isn't even available, like what? What's up with this? Do they assume people don't need to talk to the team when they solo queue?
When I tried Dota 2 I was annoyed by the controls and the skills, it feels far from well thought/planned. For example, I played Puck on dota 2 and his ability to surf and teleport is juts so incredibly slow. It felt like it was going in slow motion, I could grab a coffee before it arrives at its' destination. They also gave you a NEW skill to activate again to teleport it. Mind me asking, what's wrong with the already existing skill? Just activate it again to teleport, no ? Come'n, some engineering guys.

I have a lot of things to complain about, but I have to say, I have considered moving to Dota 2 despite loving Heroes of Newerth, but only because it's a larger audience and I enjoy streaming.

angelanz2
12-16-2016, 12:48 PM
I may therefore conclude that DOTA is indeed harder and maybe the hardest to learn due to its complexity. LoL on the other hand is simpler to learn. And to every DOTA fans, the game will remain the best, vise versa. In terms of best, i think it is more towards how you see the game, how you express your feelings towards the game, and how you defend your statement. The game are to me superb in their own ways, people like it simpler and some like challanges that are more advance. I myself Love DOTA 2 and have shared my opinions in the previous comments.

shinz14
12-16-2016, 01:05 PM
I've played Dota since 2007. There were no other MOBA games that was popular as Dota during that time, so I assume Dota is the first successful MOBA game internationally, especially in China and SEA region. Correct me if I'm wrong. So, for me, Dota 2 is the best MOBA games. There would be few reasons why I choose Dota 2, and they are:

1. The developer

Dota is one of the oldest MOBA games that always receive updates, and improvements since 2003. What really make the game stand out is that the developer listens to the player. They were plenty of developers involved in making this game, but the one that really listen and well known, is known as Ice Frog. What really make the game stand out is that the Dota community is deeply involved in the making of the game. I still remembered some of the heroes are made based on community's suggestion. One of the was Puck. For me, this is the reason why Dota is one of the game that stand strong until now.

2. Game mechanics

This will always be my first reason on why I played Dota 2. Dota 2 have a more complex mechanics. One of them is denying our own creeps to deny our enemy's gold and experience. This complex mechanics really make the game to have a very high degree of freedom to play. What I mean by that, there will be extremely large combinations of heroes and play styles that can win the game. Almost everything can work. This can be seen on competitive matches lately. Currently, out of 110 heroes pools in Captains mode that are possible to be picked, almost 95% of them are picked and this was just about matches from now like Boston Majors, to 8 months ago! This really shows that there are literally countless of possible combinations and all of them can work. They also keep adding and improving the mechanics.

3. Dota 2 community

Most games will have toxic players and I can't deny that. Even Dota 2 is one of them. But, most of the toxic players in Dota 2 are not like in the other games. Most of them are "funny" and made me laugh as Dota 2 community mostly made up of people that really like dank memes. Even some of the toxic behaviour get recorded and turned to be memes and get posted on the internet. I love this community, full of xd, ez game, mid or feed, etc. ;)

I can see this game will continue to grow in the future with the current trend.


DOTA2 grow from the past years, some bug or even player exploited glitch abuse when exposed but developers fix it. We have a huge community to rely in any aspect like combining heroes combos or ideas to become a better player. A huge numbers of players around the globe, play everyday that's a one fact that the competition on each of one of us never end but we still learn and grow as player.

Regnator
12-16-2016, 01:08 PM
I have tried LoL, DotA, HotS, Smite.
Smite really isn't my cup of tea, I played a game or two and got bored. Maybe it evolved since I list tried it (almost 2 years ago, I believe).

HotS feels casual -- no need to last hit, focused on objectives, there are no (situational) builds (unless you take the traits into consideration). I tried it with some friends ( 5-man premade) and it was fun, for a couple of games, but I couldn't bear playing more. Still, I like the different objectives.

DotA (2) on the other hand feels like the opposite of HotS -- you will get matched up against veterans (speaking from experience here, maybe I was just unlucky?) and you run down mid and you can't last hit anything because the other dude is denying everything from you and you end up with 2 lvls behind and you just get **** on. Sure, git gud, but that's not that easy to achieve when you're tilted AF. Anyway, you invest some time into it and get to a point where you actually make a difference, you're strong and... and you wreck the enemy team. Again, speaking from experience here and I found it extremely hard or simply impossible to comeback or to lose once I had certain advantage. All in all, DotA 2 is clearly more complex than HotS and even LoL.

And now my pick -- League of Legends.
First of all, I probably play it over the other mobas because most of my friends play it also. What's the point of playing a multiplayer game if you're not playing with your friends? I'd get bored so very easily.
There are a lot of champions/heroes for you to try out, lots of builds and all that good stuff, but DotA has that too, right?
The characters are pretty dynamic, especially the new ones. There are objectives -- drakes, rift herald, baron (these 3 grant you buffs), towers, inhibitors and, finally, the nexus -- the big rock you have to destroy in order to win.
All I can say, guys, is that, if you haven't already, give LoL a try. You might like it.
I ended up in diamond last season and oh boy, I gotta say -- most of the community is ****, though (don't know how DotA's community is). Hang in there.

Have fun, whatever you are playing and have a nice Christmas!

yvsmadhav
12-16-2016, 01:36 PM
I don't have the time and also the equipment to engage myself in MOBA games.But with a little help from a good friend, I get the opportunity to play and for me there is no one that is better than MOBA2. The game engages in every possible respect.I must, however, confess that it is most of the time difficult to keep pace with the rivals and the game. Maybe it is due to the fact that I am already past 45 years when eyes and ears start playing tricks!

HiVan
12-16-2016, 02:16 PM
Admittedly, it looks like DotA is without a doubt the best MOBA for the majority of the users here.

In addition to why I like League is better, or rather more enjoyable for me is that I am attracted to the skins they make. Seriously, kind of childish but I like how they make skins in LoL. They just express their inner creativity via the skins (examples of creative skins: Elementalist Lux, Meowkai, Dunkmaster Darius, etc.). They also make skins for pro teams (Fnatic, SKT, SSW) and skins for the personality of the characters themselves (Devil Teemo, Baker Pantheon, etc.) -- All these skins has some awesome splash art, different particles on some skins, special emotes on some skins, and some different voice. :)

Furthermore, to make it more attractive to some, League offers rotating game modes every week. (I think there are five, not sure, I don't play those. Haha.)

Come on League fans, express yourselves! xD

HiVan
12-16-2016, 02:18 PM
I don't have the time and also the equipment to engage myself in MOBA games.But with a little help from a good friend, I get the opportunity to play and for me there is no one that is better than MOBA2. The game engages in every possible respect.I must, however, confess that it is most of the time difficult to keep pace with the rivals and the game. Maybe it is due to the fact that I am already past 45 years when eyes and ears start playing tricks!

Gamers don't age. If so, age is just a number. Go on, friend.

daristotler
12-16-2016, 04:19 PM
Gonna have to go with DOTA. I think it's been updated and supported pretty well over the years.

tre982
12-16-2016, 04:31 PM
Seems more accessible for beginners.

Lugzan
12-16-2016, 05:38 PM
well, for me there can not be any other one since it's the only MOBA that I ever touched, and I am not making this up :cool:

mohamad3333
12-16-2016, 07:13 PM
I have to go with smite.I have tried playing LoL , it is played like you would play "red alert 2" or similar games, clicking the mouse to move the character seemed old fashioned,"Dota 2" looked similar gameplay .On the other hand smite is played in a first person shooter kind of way, which makes it more realistic, and like a future version of "LoL" And "Dota 2".

eViLeYeD
12-16-2016, 09:44 PM
DOTA 2

Maybe it's my affection for niche mod concepts turn main stream or just the fact Valve picked this up. Built with community first mentality makes this one of the few MOBA games still going strong. With plenty of characters and strategies to pick from this is easily my favorite.

TenshiLX
12-16-2016, 10:01 PM
First of all i'd like to mention out that, since this is purely an opinion game where we debate on what is better or worse and why. Many people have had their claims on facts that have a hold in them but I will write down my own opinion according to what I've played and experienced.

In overall I've had around 6000 hours of mobas played alltogether. I've played Dota 1, Dota 2, Heroes of Newerth, League of Legends, Smite and Heroes of the Storm. Primarily I will talk about Dota 2 and League of legends with a scoop of Heroes of Newerth.

Now before some of you can start having a cringe at me for saying Heroes of Newerth as it has had an excessive amount of toxicity beyond League of Legends and Dota. I am judging that by swearing, insult and hatred per game and I can easily HoN took the cake in that. Despite all of that, it's what got me more into the MOBA genre.


Why I like Dota 2? What's the good and bad about it?
__________________________________________________ _____________

Lets start with the positive:
1) It punishes you heavily and makes you lose gold. (this can be a negative thing to people)
2) It has runes that can change teamfights and or cripple the enemy from making a move because someone has a specific rune.
3) Has the possibility to make ganking on a whole new level. By either having a smoke of deceit (to turn yourself invisible until you reach a certain range to the enemy hero) or by aquiring an invisibility rune or Shadow Blade (insibility active item)
4) If you are a lone wolf and a proper carry yet have a sense as a teamplayer, you /can/ singlehandedly win the game for the team.
5) Free language learning tool (mainly for russian, sometimes chinese)
6) The variety of heroes the game has to offer can make you change your gameplay style just because there might be a specific hero in the game.
7) e-Sports is fun to watch along with the Allstar and troll matches they do.
8) Pause functionality, if enemy team or your team doesn't troll you when someone really has to move away from the pc for a moment quickly.
9) Possibility of punishing your enemy with denying your creeps with autoattacks and making him or her lose income.
10) All heroes are free to play in the game.
11) Possible to buy as many wards as you want in the game and use them, they only have a cooldown timer until you can buy another set.
12) Possibility to counterward and punish enemy team, to not being able to see your team for awareness advantage.

The negative:
1) Supports can get severely handicapped if they are constantly being picked out, making them incapable and scared on taking bigger steps.
2) Not the most starter-friendly to people who have never played or played to a very minimal amount of MOBA genre prior to it.
3) In EUWest terms, having a full English talking team is a rather rare or uncommon occasion, to be able to have team strategy or communication can be heavily limited
3.5) In US It's easier to get an English speaking team, however there seems to be slight bit of additional toxicity with whining brazilians.
4) This can be a bad thing if you're playing with your spouse who might not have the best temper.
5) Last hitting has a tiny delay, which you have to consider your character animation to properly start and finish for the hit to count.
6) Making a player leave in a match is more common than in League. Just throw them on a cliff and not allow them to teleport back. hee..hee..hehe.

Bonus:
1) Buyback functionality. This can be both good and bad because teamfights can start off with heavily and when heroes die, they can use their gold to buyback themselves and get quickly back to the battle using teleport boots or teleport scrolls to nearby towers. This can be a minus in terms of teamfight fairness but they pay a price for that possibility.
2) Playing with jungler heroes are rather easy to use and jungle is pretty straight-forward on clearing the camps and gaining the exp and money to benefit in aiding your team later on.
3) In-game voice mic possibility. (this can help if your PC or laptop is a bit old and has issues running other programs in the back and reduces the amount of computer resources required to talk with someone to make fast decisions).
4) Graphics look pretty yet takes a lot of more resources to get it maxed out for eyecandy reasons.


Why I like League of Legends? What's the good and bad about it?
__________________________________________________ _____________

The positive side:
1) It's friendlier towards players who have from small to no experience at all on learning how to play a MOBA game.
2) Gameplay mechanics are easy to understand but have a large learning curve until being able to use its full potential to your advantage.
3) Teamfights make the difference in the game, unless you're super fed. Although, you are more depended on your team than being a lone wolf. (Unless you are rengar and making my day a nightmare..)
4) Lasthitting is easier.
5) Every champion is easy to play but has a learning curve attached to them, to make big plays you have to get a better grasp of the champion.
6) Supports are loved in this game a lot, supports don't lose money if they die, supporter role items can benefit the team a lot.
7) No punishment given besides a time penatly for dying.
8) If you're at a stalemate on how to approach at an enemy team then the game has objectives that you should strongly consider taking to gain a better advantage over your opponent. Those would be the Dragon buffs and Baron buff. Those buffs give you a significant boost and helps you deliver more devastating blows, stronger minions, additional hp, faster regeneration on both mana and health.

The negative side:
1) All champions have a cost to them, you can unlock them with either real money or ingame points(IP).
2) You can't be as much of a lone wolf, you should stick to your team more often.
3) No voice chat option
4) E-sports as of late has been rather dull.
5) Warding is very limited. Not a lot of people usually buys them and they are usually limited and in late-game wards are blessings if you have them.
6) With certain champions, if you have certain skins you can actually have spell effects and their size fooling the enemy player. For example Zombie Jinx has small traps and if you think you can squeeze through the gap, most likely you won't.
7) Jungling for a beginner is slightly difficult and a downfall. They don't have as good awareness, knowledge of how to keep track of enemies and when is the right time to gank.
8) From the course of time I've come to realize that in especially Diamond level games, if each lane starts out horribly, there is a very small chance to even remotely have a comeback chance unless the enemy team pulls a 180 and starts throwing the game away in their favor.

The bonus:
1) Bush hiding is an interesting feature and can allow ganking rather easily.
2) Elixirs can boost your physical or magical damage.
3) It has summoner spells with a high cooldowns to assist and aid you in fights and defending.
4) Aquiring baron and dragon buff makes you a BAMF.
5) Doesn't require you to go on a noodle diet to max out graphics, even at maxed out it looks pretty.

Conclusion:
Now i'm not going to turn the tides by saying 1 game is significantly better than the other. They both have their positives and negatives. It is completely depended on which one suits the style you want to play in.

Dota 2 has the upper advantage if you want to be able to destroy your opponent by punishing them constantly and the game rewards people for it. The game also has in my book a lot more opportunities when it comes down to having a wombo-combo teamfight in destroying an entire enemy team quickly or making the teamfight already decided. If you are a carry and near the end game, you can single-handedly solo the entire enemy team if the position is just right. Same goes for certain supports like Rubick, Earthshaker, Sandking or Witch doctor. It is not the best choice for newcomers as it has its own niches that can make it harder for a newcomer to pick the game up. Dota 2 gets my vote.

League of Legends has the upper hand when it comes down to starting, playing and learning easy. The game rewards you if you start to get a hand in the game mechanics and mastering champions.

This does not mean that how the high-tier players handle it. Now when it comes down to high-tier players, both Dota and League can make the game very difficult for you because players at that stage already start counting how to read time, what usually the jungler does and who is roaming, when he /might/ be in a threat and so on. Dota however has more of the element of surprise since despite having wards, having an invisibility rune or a smoke to cloud you from detection, you can make ganks happen a lot easier and push the game more on your side easily. You don't usually see your supporter roaming from bottom lane to top lane.

E-sports however have it way differently. League seems to be super serious about everything and the Koreans are the biggest superstars from what I've seen (SKT for those who know them). League does have it's own fun moments when they do allstar matches, or a 1v1 team red vs blue in howling abyss game. To me that seems the only small part of fun, the main event is still 5v5 on Summoners Rift and from watching many years now, to me it just seems to get boring and boring. Occasionally there are fun matches that are good to watch but usually it's very strict on what will get picked and you think to yourself. Oh damn, I nearly saw this exact same lineup not so long ago. Dota seems to make it a bit more fun, they have additional things programmed in after the main event and it's pretty fun to watch and how the players keep it chill. They seem to have a bit more options when it comes down to picking something, they do repeat the same strategies often like on League just because it's meta and they know how to play it because they want to be sure with what they play with they are certain they have trained for it in practise.

TL;DR ver. Dota 2 takes my vote in allowing me to punish the enemy and for me to suit more into my kind of role and style of the way how I like to play it.

erkaynar
12-16-2016, 10:29 PM
I think everytime i look first games graphics, dota 2 great about this then my best moba dota 2, playable nice others mobas too.:)

Kazinand
12-16-2016, 11:20 PM
I vote League of Legends, which may be a very mainstream choice, but for a valid reason of course! I have played Smite, Paladins, and have yet to try HOTS. While all of them are very fun and unique, none match the gameplay of League of Legends. These games provide some lore, some uniqueness, but haven't gone the extra step I believe League has. League has the variety of Heroes, the point of view you play at, the different abilities, and the game modes provided are very fun. It is a very active community, with many players around the world, and I don't think people queue without finding a match ever, as whenever I queue, it take only 20-60 secs. to get a match-up, and on average about 43 secs. Not bad. They pay attention to detail when developing characters, with both abilities and lore, which I love to learn about, their animated shorts are wonderful, and I think it just makes the game more enjoyable to play, creating a sort of mental relation to the game and yourself. I have yet to be disappointed by this game and am not expecting to be in the near future. Keep rocking LoL. :cool:

shadowvzs
12-17-2016, 05:02 AM
if someone ask me few year ago then i say LoL but now i must say Strife is the best
( only problem is too less people play)
- similiar graphic than lol
- alot less toxic community, rarly get a trashtalker or something
- everything was built around a more peacefull gameplay
- campaign was unique ideea (seadly have only chapter 1) but still unique)
- all platform game, linux/max/windows
- with minimum settings run very well even on old vga


http://store.steampowered.com/app/339280/


(acctually in few point lol kinda would the best if have cross platform, less toxic community but sadly non of these in lol until strife have but there hard to get pvp match but atleast bots ai better than in lol a bit in gank)

*even i was warcraft 3 fan and i played the old dota still i dislike the dota2, idk why*

cyruslanzzord
12-17-2016, 06:43 AM
Dota 2 that's it!

Shinpa
12-17-2016, 06:56 AM
I think both games are pretty similar and they're quite close to each other, although the question is, why is it better DOTA?

I've played both games enough time to talk about this, so i can say

- League of Legends is most popular moba actually not the BEST, while DOTA the most worked moba in these last years, and that makes it better than league, these are my points thought

- Mechanics(Dota LoL comparison): In terms of mechanics LoL is Is much simpler and easier to learn, you have to learn the classic last hit, defend turrets and ambushes, In simple words the game is defined more for gold advantage and exp, If the advantage is too high it is almost impossible to comeback, Using this in your favor you can win easily without making a single fight, It's very simple And makes the experience a little empty thought, yes yes Most champions powers have interactions with each other but we'll talk about that below.

So Dota. In terms of mechanics Dota has literally the same mechanics as league of legends and other MOBAS thought, but they are much more complicated than it seems forgetting about the most basic of the mobas, last hitting, defense, ganks, etc... dota has a mechanic that allows you to deny your own creeps, It looks pretty simple ya, but changes completely the way you play in lanes, when you play against an offlaner ( "top" refer to lol, can be top or bot depends of the side ) you can deny creeps and these will not give them the experience at all delaying his levels and make it difficult stay so it will probably leave the lane and will be much more easier to take down his tower in case this doesnt happen he will go on and it will be very vulnerable to die, this applies more for carry/adc in dota, mid depends of the skill players thought, and if you're the offlaner this will happen to you 99% of times in high ranked then dota. but if youre very good at offlaning,taking advantage of the moments in which your lane advances or supports going around the map,you will probably make a big difference in that game, while in LoL you just 1v1 man like mid so you dont actually have to kill the other, unless your jungle ganks, you just have to take push advantage or hp advantage to get his turret, same mid, same bot.

- Gameplay( Dota LoL comparison )

I-n dota you call "heroes" instead of "champions" then here we go, when you choose your hero you have a primary and secondary stats, strenght, agility and intelligence, and basics like HP, mana, basic attack, and you know what I'm talking about, in lol is literally the same, but generally its AP = Ability Power and AD= Attack Damage, some champions have an energy bar instead of mana, some have other names but I will not mention them, in dota you buy items according to your main attribute, while in lol this works differently according to the lane you go to, AD goes for bot, AP mid, and top mostly goes tank and either, both games have situational items that could be bought depending of the situation, some heroes in dota requires a lot of mana and hp to being relevant but his skills are quite dangerous although it has its cons, in LoL hp and mana has interactions with some spells that give you and advantage doing harm commonly, but it doesnt make a disavantage, so some champs they become much more potentially dangerous making the game unbalanced, but usually these champions are quite slow or have limitations although I think It's more difficult for you than for them because small advantages can give you a early loss, in dota these heroes that are similar can easily fck up if they're not very carefully playing them, they're powerful also, but they are not invincible, his mistakes can easily give you an advantage against them making the game more balanced in terms of playing, another thing that's in LoL every champion has a unique passive which can give you a great advantage or disadvantage, making it literally impossible dealing with your counters even if youre good, while in DOTA depends how you play your hero your skill and map knowledge, which can give you a chance to deal against counter picks, yeah it's hard though, But makes the game much more intense and close as well, also in dota there's a turn rate and cast animation that if you have good reflexes you can dodge skills and very powerful skills, And also take advantage harassing, maximizing your damage, avoid jukes in some cases but requires time learning so mostly of time you will die, while in LoL champs reacts instantly, yeah also some skills have cast animation or channeling but most of them have no delay executing them, not being able to predict moves most of the time, fights ends early i call them "flash fights" it takes away emotion and makes you feel empty for me at least, last thing im going to talk is about brush in LoL and highground in DotA, in LoL brush are commonly use for juke spots because you cant see unless you enter, some champs have an advantage that making sometimes impossible to kill them without help, this is frustrating mostly of the times because theyre just in front of you but you cant do anything if youre 1v1 against them, Is quite interesting but I feel it is something forced, makes you feel like an idiot if you die, so literally is like fighting in poor conditions when the bush is supposed to be beneficial to both at least that's what I think of those bushes on the lanes, but i think is player fault sometimes too, bush is ok but mostly it gives advantage to these champs and not a small advantage could be even bigger if you make mistakes so its literally more hard for you and more easy for them giving a feeling that isnt very balanced as all

In Dota highground is pretty simple, highground in every side grants you 20% evasion when the other enemy hits you, this is used early on mid lane commonly, or when an enemy ganks so you can get that advantage for winning fights, quite significant really you can comeback with this if your team use it properly, and you can also counter ganks or bait.

- Graphics ( oh dear )

-We will talk about LoL first, ya i know that mostly ppl will said "Riot will not upgrade his game engine because most ppl will play the game, bleh bleh bleh", but come on man!, its been 6 years and rito only improved ... his textures? (its a joke dont be salty lol fans ), yeah his game engine improved a lot but nothing relevant ( my opinion ) wc3 still has better graphics, you cant deny that, also you will say "its f2p also you can not demand them so much",yeah but they can invest in a new game engine with more current things, they actually can, I'm not trying to say that riot should switch the game to unreal engine or some game engine like source 2, because not everyone can afford a new pc but almost Almost mostly of us have a standard pc, but they can create a game engine cool and polished that does not require so many resources, obviously something better than wc3? .... anyways they can do it, they have the money, maybe they just want to squeeze players without spending so much, or they are not ambitious, i don think so, With a new engine they could sell new content also and get more money so why not? Maybe an answer?... we dont know.

Then Dota. Why im going to talk about this?
im going just to resume, better graphics, better animations, better immersion( because of graphics of course ), better textures, And a very long list of things that makes feel better the experience playing this game.

PD: im skipping some things on dota that are important like supports rotation, buybacks, gold penalty... in LoL things like how jungle work, etc...i think you can only notice a difference by playing both games, also currently skipping changes on lol and dota recently because i dont have time for analyze them, all i can say is riot breaks the balance every patch weekly and releasing champs literally every month, they could actually balance the game pretty well without rushing patchs but riot doesnt care ffs ( rito pls )
and for icefrog : why u do dis ?

shinz14
12-17-2016, 09:28 AM
Dota 2. Though my heart is begging me to actually say:"DOTA 2 EZ GGWP!!!"

Well let's breakdown what "best" means:
1) Overall enjoyment
2) Game design
3)Upkeep and Improvement
4)Visuals (Graphics)
5)Community and how it's controlled

I'm basing my analysis on these statistics supported by MY OWN thoughts.

I have sampled quite a lot of MOBA's but stuck with Dota 2 because it gave me a much better experience and enjoyment.

1) Being a warcraft all stars player Dota 2 has come a LONG way from it ancestor.
I enjoyed All stars because it was, at a stage, the only one of its kind and became very skilled at it. After sampling Dota 2 and various other MOBA games, my heart still stuck to my "1st love" simply because Valve took an amazing game... and made it better.
The graphics are better, mechanics are smoother and the community is larger... which means less waiting for matches and more playing.

2) The design of the game is flawless. There are very few bugs in the game and if one gets spotted, Valve quickly eradicates it to make the game fair. The fact that you have a hero that has no equal in the game makes it much more dynamic which contributes to anti picking (Making it way more competitive and sensitive).
There is NO hero that cannot be countered because of the vast spells and items each hero has and can gain respectively. In LoL, 90% of all spells are AOE and Skill shots (Target Point) which I REALLY enjoy but it becomes redundant when every player has the option for a "flash" and can use it at any given time, Dota 2 wins in this sense and ironically makes hero positioning that much more valuable. There is so much more I could talk about with the mechanics of Dota 2 but eventually people are gonna get bored of all the reading. One thing I particularly love about Dota 2 is that if you are a newbee, or if you are part of the Clan "Newbee", you both have an exact 50% chance of winning. I don't like the way a player gets better stats that helps in game just because you've played longer than others... Dota 2 take real skill and skill only to be good in the game, not relying on a "+2% attack speed with every hero because your player level is 9". All of the above I believe is better than any other Moba.

3)There are a lot of Moba''s but Dota definitely has the most updates. Sometimes annoying but necessary. When an update arrives it's usually visual items and alterations with hero skills and in game shop items. The alterations are VERY sensitively applied if Valve feel a hero/item is a bit too week/powerful and 90% of the time, the community agrees with the updates.
The visual items (sets) that come with the update are always gorgeous and most are affordable. What really caught me here is that there are THOUSANDS of items that are player created, giving people who have an artistic side a chance to grow their skill and make some money on the side. I have never been disconnected in Dota 2 due to server maintenance. If there is some to be done, you can continue your game and, once it's done, wait a very short while until the server is up and running again. One thing that I can say that I do NOT like about Dota 2 is that it takes a VERY long time to release new heroes, but with all my previous points I can wait :D.

4) Graphics, well I'll just summarize this one:
Best graphics in a MOBA with ratio to its visual theme (Artwork is closest to the aimed style).
Has the best GUI and Home screen vs other MOBAs.
Players can customize GUI/HUD, Map Theme, Heroes, Map Weather.
New to Dota 2 which I have yet to test is Dota VR which I expect will be amazing.

5) The Dota 2 community is full of all types of players like any MOBA. My main point in this section is to highlight that Dota 2 was only released in 2013, which makes it 3 years old, and it already has a much bigger player database than any other MOBA (including LoL which was released in 2009 making it 7 years old) If it wasn't the best MOBA, why are so many people playing it? xD
There are Bans and Mutes and AFK bans and so forth. Dota 2 has a control system that cannot really be abused. There are Mutes and Bans and etc... but it will only take effect if a pattern occurs with a player so, don't swear or feed too much cuz you'll get restricted :). If you feel you have been restricted for any reason, you can contact steam support and they will help you with how they feel is fair.

Overall Dota 2 is just an amazing game. I play every single day and I do so because it is extremely fun, I'm addicted to its competition, want to learn more about it and get better at it and meet new people from it.

I think many other people will agree with me after reading my essay xD.

Thank you for reading and all comments welcome within reason.


very detailed!
:D
still DOTA2 is the best with a huge community.
we love to play and have fun that's why were still here.

AngryMonkey
12-17-2016, 09:32 AM
my vote go for Heroes of the Storm

aluxdoni
12-17-2016, 12:11 PM
i personally prefer lol, but really games are about taste, so the best moba is the one you like more

Zohid
12-17-2016, 03:49 PM
Honestly I am not die hard MOBA Game player but for me DOTA 2 is much better than others. It looks more complicated and interesting than others.*

Kazakr
12-17-2016, 04:14 PM
I know there are some gamers loves LOL and DOTA 2 (like me) and I believed that everyone who played these games EXPERIENCED the best MOBA Game ever made. So Thank you so much DOTA 2 for giving the excitement and enjoyment and thanks to ROG GL552VX for making the game SPECTACULAR. GG!:p

rofltheory
12-17-2016, 06:08 PM
I chose LOL as the best Moba game because I have enjoyed it immensely. It was my first true introduction to MOBAs and I really enjoyed it. I first started off playing against bots, then ventured into normals, then ranked. I appreciate that they have several modes that were designed to just enjoy, such as dominion and ARAM, and nowadays they have rotating maps every weekend so we can play some of our fun favorites. They have come a long way from where they've started and it has been great being a part of the community.

Accolade_
12-17-2016, 08:49 PM
I think Vainglory, a MOBA on iOS and Android, is the best. The developers, SEMC, listen to their community and have regular updates adding in new maps and characters as well as skins for the characters. It's also simple to get into while being hard to master, shown by the many professionals who live-stream it or compete in tournaments. For those that do stream or record gameplay the developers have added tools in-game to make it much easier to do so.

Chan.alacar
12-17-2016, 11:01 PM
]For me the best moba game is dota 2. It is always a team effort game where everybody has a role to perform. Everyones role is critical for the team's success. It cant be look as one man who carried the team. It is always the team effort. It is also one of the game that showcases leadership and camaraderie. Also some of the members might need to sacrifice in order to win. Just like one of my favorite quote from napoleon bonaparte "loose the battle; win the war"

Fabonikazell
12-18-2016, 01:57 AM
For me, DOTA 2 was always been the best MOBA for me. Well, it's the only MOBA I've played so far that's why. I've watched a couple of gameplays of other MOBAs from my friends like LOL, HON, HOTS but they didn't really catch my attention or really stood out for me.
DOTA 2's interface for a start is the best interface I've seen compared to the others. It just looks very appropriate, if not very clean, for a DOTA game. For me it's also user friendly, at least to DOTA players.
As for the heroes, yes DOTA 2 has a vast selection of heroes of different kinds, divided into 3 classes - the Agility, Intelligence and Strength class. The heroes are not plain looking or the mediocre ones. They are cool and very different from each other. The abilities too match well with the heroes and can create perfect combos when done with the right items and good cooperation of the players.
The game map is also nicely done. Dividing the map equally to both teams by the river in the middle. Each of the team has their own creep camps. Well, the map for me is damn good that's all I can say. XD
The HUDs is also good and the players have a choice in using different customized HUDs that can create a whole new atmosphere to the gameplay. DOTA 2 also have different game modes aside from the original mode and also have different exciting events throughout the year.
I don't know about the other MOBAs as I've not played them yet, but DOTA 2 for me is the best one. I stopped playing DOTA 2 last year so I may not be very updated about the game but what I said above came from my own experience on playing the game in the past. I'm hearing many talks from my friends that DOTA 2 recently had a huge update and some are saying the game is now trash and some says the game just keeps getting better and better. I can't relate to them 'cause I already stopped but who knows, maybe I'll get to play this game again and join the fray once more. XD
And DOTA 2's graphics are cool as hell though. =)
Thanks for reading!

freaky_wanderer
12-18-2016, 02:30 AM
Dota 2 is a free-to-play multiplayer online battle arena (MOBA) video game developed and published by Valve Corporation. The game is the stand-alone sequel to Defense of the Ancients (DotA), which was a community-created mod for Blizzard Entertainment's Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and its expansion pack, The Frozen Throne. The Dota series began in 2003 with Defense of the Ancients (DotA)—a mod for Blizzard Entertainment's Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos—created by the pseudonymous designer "Eul". An expansion pack for Warcraft III, entitled The Frozen Throne, was released later that year; a series of Defense of the Ancients clone mods for the new game competed for popularity.
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nickwj13
12-18-2016, 04:09 AM
Dota 2 has to be the best.

I have played both League of Legends and Dota 2, but Dota 2 takes the cake. Reason being is that a good friend of mine plays, so I would rather play the same as him. Also, he has over a thousand hours in the game, so I trust his judgement.*

shinz14
12-18-2016, 09:32 AM
DOTA 2 no doubt about it...
its very enjoyable
unique
everyone is playing it(like most every gamers has tried it, even celebrities and athletes in my country post pictures of themselves playing dota2 on their social media)
and lets admit it, its very addictive
hahaha
so much fun...*


important is we enjoy and have fun playing DOTA2

OrionG
12-18-2016, 10:24 AM
its simple. all the other "moba" style games go for the classic original formula that was created during "starcraft" times, and perfected in WC3
this formula while good does feel very out-dated.
thus enters the new type of MOBA games, Smite was the 1st i encountered that actually gave a different feel and gameplay while keeping the classic design, it is much more action oriented and added a new dimension to the MOBA univers.
today you can find other games do the same, whether its Epic's Paragon or Motiga's gigantic.
they all do F2P really well and try to innovate on the concept.

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O.s.k
12-18-2016, 01:30 PM
Ok, IMO the best moba is dota 2 i didn't like LOL and smite that much but i have never played HOTS before! The reason that i choose dota is that i like that graphic style and the heroes and last i don't have much time so i made my choise once ;)

ArmpitTit
12-18-2016, 04:10 PM
Can't say I've played much of any of these games, but so far I enjoy DOTA more

HiVan
12-18-2016, 05:37 PM
So far, DotA is still winning. Apart from LoL and DotA, however, who is winning between Smite and HotS?

Bahz
12-19-2016, 06:33 AM
So far, DotA is still winning. Apart from LoL and DotA, however, who is winning between Smite and HotS?

DOTA 1 and Smite is mentioned quite a few times

HiVan
12-19-2016, 12:16 PM
DOTA 1 and Smite is mentioned quite a few times

Funny you mentioned DotA 1, in our country a lot of people still plays it. In fact, there still are tournaments being held for DotA 1 :eek::D

shinz14
12-19-2016, 01:15 PM
One more thing about why Dota 2 is really special and why it's a heavily community driven game.

1. Dota 2 have custom games just like the old days in Warcraft engine that uses World Editor. Dota 2 allows other people to create it's own game using Dota 2 Workshop tools! Currently there are plenty of custom games that are very fun to play, plenty of tower defense games, RPG games and even LoL mod is in Dota 2. For me, it's really good for people who want to take a break from playing Dota 2 without leaving Dota 2 client.

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Image taken from Dota2.com

2. Dota 2 also allows other people to create their own cosmetic items and submit them into the game. When accepted, they can get some commission based on the sales. People can even make serious money in the game.


definitely a good one opinion!
but I didn't know that u can have like that commision based on sales when approved.
didn't bother me bcoz I'm not good creating cosmetic seriously :D

HiVan
12-19-2016, 05:42 PM
definitely a good one opinion!
but I didn't know that u can have like that commision based on sales when approved.
didn't bother me bcoz I'm not good creating cosmetic seriously :D

Oh wow, I didn't know they got the custom games from DotA 1 in DotA 2. Oh my god, those were the days. Treetag specifically is my favorite. I really should install DotA 2 soon, haha. I'll give it another shot. Though, DotA 2 requires better specs compared to LoL. I hope my PC will hold up. Wish me luck.

Nikich500
12-19-2016, 08:01 PM
I think the best MOBA game is a game which has the following five points:

ease of understanding;
The game, which does not require understanding of any problems, allowing to have an advantage over newcomers. The game principle - equality of new and old players.
a choice in everything;
The game, which allows you to choose not only his character with unique skills, but also the possibility to choose the location in which to conduct the battle. Agree to bother fighting on the same card.
Just a good game should allow to choose characters with unique abilities buildup, instead of giving them prepared in advance, allowing you to dynamically change the strategy of the game, depending on the situation.
improve the game;
by that I mean the existence of the store during the game, which can be exchanged for in-game currency for various improvements during the match.
nice graphics, animation;
Just a beautiful game with a nice animation.
Freedom of movement, unique emotions of the character.
The game allows you to run, jump, allowing the character to share a variety of emotions and its allies, which is accompanied by an appropriate animation.



So my choice would be the Land Of Chaos Online (LOCO), if it is not closed. Now I am looking forward to the resumption of the game called TADAR ...

Amused2Death
12-19-2016, 09:34 PM
I have played Dota 1(3-4years?), HoN(1 year) , Dota2(3-4 years?) , Infinite Crysis,(1year) ,Hots(1 year) and also saw some gameplays of LoL........ (I also played Smite 1 month... technically it is a moba.... but i dont like to call it that).

-Even tho i liked Infinite Crysis because it had the popular characters from DC Universe (batman ,superman etc), the mechanics were pretty simple...and the game was closed sadly:(...

-Even tho i am currently playing Heroes of the storm cause i got bored of Dota2 and also cause it's a bit different with it's TALENTS/SKILLS based gameplay not with ITEMS like the other mobas and also different objectives based maps....

I will still place Dota 2 in the first place because yeah... it's the most complex game in every way..... especially with the new added mod custom maps from Warcraft 3... complex mechanics....awesome graphics... etc.

So yeah if i were to make a Top with these games which i liked and had fun hmm it might go like this:
1.Dota2
2.Hots
3.Dota1

Not sure about these ones order:
4.HoN
5.LoL
6.Infinite crysis
7.Smite

Badelhas
12-20-2016, 01:46 AM
When and where will the winner be announced?

Cheers

HiVan
12-20-2016, 04:05 AM
I have played Dota 1(3-4years?), HoN(1 year) , Dota2(3-4 years?) , Infinite Crysis,(1year) ,Hots(1 year) and also saw some gameplays of LoL........ (I also played Smite 1 month... technically it is a moba.... but i dont like to call it that).

-Even tho i liked Infinite Crysis because it had the popular characters from DC Universe (batman ,superman etc), the mechanics were pretty simple...and the game was closed sadly:(...

-Even tho i am currently playing Heroes of the storm cause i got bored of Dota2 and also cause it's a bit different with it's TALENTS/SKILLS based gameplay not with ITEMS like the other mobas and also different objectives based maps....

I will still place Dota 2 in the first place because yeah... it's the most complex game in every way..... especially with the new added mod custom maps from Warcraft 3... complex mechanics....awesome graphics... etc.

So yeah if i were to make a Top with these games which i liked and had fun hmm it might go like this:
1.Dota2
2.Hots
3.Dota1

Not sure about these ones order:
4.HoN
5.LoL
6.Infinite crysis
7.Smite

Try playing League of Legends, who knows, it might be the one for you? ;)

Bahz
12-20-2016, 04:27 AM
When and where will the winner be announced?\

Cheers

It's listed in the details in the original post, estimated 4 days after the battle concludes (Thursday, December 22), the winners will be announced on ROG website on Dec 26.

danzzal
12-20-2016, 09:42 AM
definitely a good one opinion!
but I didn't know that u can have like that commision based on sales when approved.
didn't bother me bcoz I'm not good creating cosmetic seriously :D

Yeah, you can even make some serious money even when you don't play professionally. That is why Dota 2 community consist of plenty talented artist and Valve really encouraging them more.

danzzal
12-20-2016, 09:53 AM
Oh wow, I didn't know they got the custom games from DotA 1 in DotA 2. Oh my god, those were the days. Treetag specifically is my favorite. I really should install DotA 2 soon, haha. I'll give it another shot. Though, DotA 2 requires better specs compared to LoL. I hope my PC will hold up. Wish me luck.

They do have a lot of custom games that were from Dota 1 and Tree tag is one of them. The custom game is still new in Dota 2 so there might me some annoying bug, but that really depends on the developers of the custom games. But there are already plenty of great custom games, for example, Legion TD, Element TD, Troll vs Elves are great games with very little bug.

Dota 2 is really forgiving in term of PC performance. The settings are really flexible. You can adjust a lot of things especially the one that you wouldn't mind in low quality like shadows, etc. while gaining noticeable performance. Also, Dota 2 is a CPU demanding game, so, less chance for your CPU to bottleneck the performance (which is a good thing)

DJFulcrum
12-20-2016, 10:28 AM
Funny you mentioned DotA 1, in our country a lot of people still plays it. In fact, there still are tournaments being held for DotA 1 :eek::D

Is DOTA still supported, I have seen that the game is still widely played in Asian countries and parts elsewhere, but does the community input still result in patches or is the game EoL?

Sh3pathome
12-20-2016, 10:50 AM
Is DOTA still supported, I have seen that the game is still widely played in Asian countries and parts elsewhere, but does the community input still result in patches or is the game EoL?

As far as I know Icefrog always patched Dota 1 because a lot of people are still playing it, he always works on Dota 2 first though. I think this last major patch might have been the last update to Dota 1 because there is a lot to add and I don't know if it'll be even possible to get the talent trees working in Dota 1 (would be hard for some heroes).

In Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia and the other SEA countries people still play Dota 1 in net cafes even though Dota 2 is available. Although some PCs might not run it well there. Whatever makes them happy I guess, just shows how much people love Dota, or they aren't willing to let go haha.

shinz14
12-20-2016, 03:04 PM
Well, for me, it's always been DOTA 2, ive played dota since elementary school, that was when dota was based on warcraft 3 frozen throne. And now i really enjoyed DOTA 2 more than ever, it teaches you how to cooperate with people around Asia (since im Indonesian), there are lots of trashtalk most of the time during the game, but to me its what makes the game alive. Sometimes you argue the whole game about who's fault for causing the team to lose, no supports whatsoever. But yea then again, it's lively and fun. Other coll things about dota is that, there is never the strongest, either the person nor the DOTA heroes. In-game hero is always constantly changing (abilities, stats, and items) and there is absolutely no domination over who's the best player, cause its not a 1 on 1 game, its a 5 on 5, it requires team work.
Tournaments are so far the biggest in fan and prize. And the thrill to be there watching, supporting, and cheering for your team is just one of those best memories you have. Even thought i personally dont get the chance to be at the International (biggest dota 2 tournaments), streaming the games at home with friends is simply joyful.
Another cool thing about Dota is that you can also play some sort of mini games or custom game, in which you can either create a game or play someone else's game. There is also a custom made items for in-game heroes. This feature lets you create and design items as much as you imagine, then upload it to DOTA 2 community for voting, and highest vote get their items to be featured and posted for selling.
Last but not least, the game. It has many things in common compared to LoL or HON, only to me, DOTA requires more skills and mostly teamwork. The map are mostly the same. DOTA heroes are harder to control and master (meepo, invoker, magnus,etc). No matter how skilled you are, or how high your reflexes is, it still goes down to team communication, initiation, and plans. But dont get me wrong though, individual skills also matters, like alot. The graphics are way better than LoL and HON, which makes your eyes glittering with astonishment.
I've learned many so far with DOTA, including english, patience, solving situation, how to lead, carry and sometimes be the sidekick of the game, and not to give up even in most desperate times.
So, i hope this inspire you in the least to sneak a peek on DOTA for those of you who hasn't got their hands on DOTA and try the game. And Chill, there's also a ranked system called MMR, a bit challenging i suppose. Thats it from me, see ya.


we all start from DOTA 1and when DOTA 2 appear in the scene, it was great to have a dedicated valve team to develop and enchance the game we love <3

HiVan
12-20-2016, 05:30 PM
As far as I know Icefrog always patched Dota 1 because a lot of people are still playing it, he always works on Dota 2 first though. I think this last major patch might have been the last update to Dota 1 because there is a lot to add and I don't know if it'll be even possible to get the talent trees working in Dota 1 (would be hard for some heroes).

In Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia and the other SEA countries people still play Dota 1 in net cafes even though Dota 2 is available. Although some PCs might not run it well there. Whatever makes them happy I guess, just shows how much people love Dota, or they aren't willing to let go haha.

Yep, I can attest to that. I am from the Philippines and a lot of people are still playing DotA 1. Most of them are saying that DotA 2 just feels very different, that's why they didn't shift to DotA 2.

ssssskull
12-20-2016, 05:54 PM
I started off with league of legends after playing COD2 for 6 years. It was enjoyable, the mechanics easy to understand but hard to master. After playing with it for months i felt like this game might be something i'd enjoy for years, but the community was getting worse and worse. I simply stopped caring and therefore deleted the game (this was before the pick system was introduced). I moved over to CS:GO and OVERWATCH after. OW had this prize, if you played Blizzard's other title - Heroes of the storm- you'd get a skin in OW. I tried the game, the community was helpful enough, but the game felt like Blizzard was ******* their own d. Naming the base Hearthstone, heroes are characters from other blizzard titles... felt cheap. DOTA 2 on the other hand.. I only heard good things about it. Any recommendations for someone who hasn't played it yet?

CheshireNeko
12-21-2016, 12:39 PM
Simply because it's my first MOBA, and the one with better memories. When you don't have many friends, the time you spend playing together is so important: it makes you feel better, appreciated and usually happier (when you don't rage-quit, of course :D). I am, and always be, the noob, but this game will always be linked to some of my best memories because when you play with people you like you don't care about scores, you just go on and have a laugh whenever you are killed or you are so inefficient that your whole team loses because of you. And that's why I'll never be a professional gamer!:o

shinz14
12-21-2016, 01:17 PM
DOTA 2. simple as that

nice!
direct to the point but say something awesome like DOTA2 is number 1
:D

batekha
12-21-2016, 06:44 PM
in my opinion its League of Legends. the largest factor is because it's very fun to play and just meets my thoughts and on top of this it's free to play. yes, there are shops but you dont need to buy anything to stay competitive

also it's a very deep game, not just hack and slay style, it's very strategic

and last but not least the developers are very user friendly and caring. they really care for the game and update it very often

Greets from Germany.

maczat
12-21-2016, 10:47 PM
en mi opinión, por que tiene mucha variedad y cada día están innovando y tambn por uqe siempre regalan skins y hacen eventos.

Johnnakos007
12-21-2016, 11:39 PM
My vote goes to DOTA 2 because the battles captures your gaming spirit. I like battles that take some time to finish instead in other mobas the battle ends in a matter of seconds. I love the chase after the fight, to get into try hard mode and try your best. The counter strategies that you think in that moments can change the flow of the game, and the items are more utilized opening many paths on builds, and not only the standard ones.
TRY HARD OR DIE TRYING :cool:

Albrtus
12-21-2016, 11:42 PM
I'm a stickler for originals rather than spinoffs. I'll stick to the granddaddy of them all MOBAs, DOTA. Been playing it and its analogs since '03.

Blizzard was then the dominant developer with Warcraft III and the aging Starcraft and Diablo series installed on most computers. Blizzard was and still is one of the best developers out there, and one thing they are really good at is making RTS games. Both Starcraft and Warcraft have excellent story, gameplay, and graphics for their time. Admit it, we we're hooked on the campaign story as much as the multiplayer. More than a decade later, we are still waiting for the long-overdue sequel of Warcraft III. But enough of the history....

One thing that is often overlooked in a game is their game engine and its editor. DOTA2 owes much of its existence to its game engine and the creativity of the players. A game engine editor allows player/modders to expand the horizons, making a good game great. Just think of Skyrim and Warcraft III mods, with DOTA being one of the latter. Even after Valve's acquisition, DOTA still retained its distinct gameplay. Valve didn't make a rat rod out of a hot rod. But as I have said, originals are better than spinoffs.

When it comes to MOBAs, graphics play second fiddle to gameplay. Stunning graphics mean nothing if the gameplay is not dynamic, it would be "just another MOBA". Valve is undoubtedly responsive to changes and their support is outstanding. Don't get me wrong here, other MOBAs are themselves good for they offer different gameplay dynamics. Variation is a good thing too, MOBA games will treat other MOBA games like Betas, we in the end are provided with better gameplay.

But it all boils down to our preference really. But the fact still remains that when you play a MOBA other than DOTA, there is always that smell - grandpa DOTA's smell.

edofriky
12-22-2016, 01:45 AM
I think DOTA 2 is the best MOBA game ´cuz it already have a different parts of every moba you could think also includding a dinamic enviroment that allows you to improve yours skill in every new match. whit an easy interface and the option to watch in real time games of PRO-Players.

davidlesterbaron
12-22-2016, 04:46 AM
I think I'm a little bit late on the topic but I wanna voice out my opinion in the two popular, similar, opposing games of 2016.

IN A SHORT ANSWER, ITS DOTA 2..........................IS THE SECOND, HEHEHHE IM JUST KIDDING.

Of all honesty, both games are equally good but in different setting, kind of players, gameplay and etc.

But for me I preferably play League of Legends than Dota 2.

No bias on both games, Ill explain why.

League of legends have:

A RANKING SYSTEM, A SKIN SYSTEM, NEW CHAMPION EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS, FREE CHAMPION ROTATION, A RUNE SYSTEM, A NEAR PERFECTION BALANCING OF HERO ITEMS ETC., DIFFERENT KINDS OF MAP/LANE TO PLAY, MASTERY SYSTEM, LESS BUG, SMALL PATCH 1-2 TIME(S) A MONTH, CONDUCTED MORE TOURNAMENTS THAN DOTA 2 :D.

I also liked Dota 2 because it is based on a old Blizzard game and my personal favorite, Warcraft 3(AKA Dota).

Dota 2:

IS STEAM SUPPORTED, HAS OFFLINE GAME SUPPORT(OR YOU CAN DO LAN BASE GAMES), JUST RELEASED ONE OF THIER BIGGEST UPDATES ON THE GAME IN 2016(7.0) INCLUDES NEW HERO, A NEW INTERFACE, NEW PREGAME, MAP CHANGES, SOME HERO REMODEL ETC., THEY ALSO HAVE A SKIN SYSTEM, HAVE AN INGAME COURIER!!!(LEAGUE OF LEGENDS DOES NOT HAVE ONE :P), AND FINALLY DOTA 2 HOST 1 OF THE BIGGEST TOURNAMENTS IN 2016(THE BOSTON MAJOR).

I hope you guys liked my review :D feel free to voice out your opinion.

-----------BTW THE STATISTICS ABOVE YOU SEE ARE JUST NUMBERS, ITS ONLY SAYING THAT MANY VOTED DOTA 2 BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY DOTA 2 FANS IN THIS FORUM :D----------------

markzend310
12-22-2016, 08:33 AM
for me, dota is still the best MOBA especially with the 7.00 patch. yes everything has changed within the game but that is what separates dota from other MOBAs. LOL or other MOBAs tend to stick to the original gameplay and skill set of the hero, thus, skill arent being balanced. dota on the otherhand has introduced a brand new world for the users. all the years of knowledge and expertice? now gone because of the new patch. its like having a venture to a new world. in addition to that, dota has been around more than any other MOBAs, i think :D? and thats what makes it truly a defense of the ancients. dota maybe old and the community may be hard on new players. but that is what sets dota apart from other MOBAs. the fact that the strongest are the ones that last.

angelanz2
12-22-2016, 09:33 AM
just wanna add a point. I want to point out about the most important thing you get from playing DOTA 2 as well as LoL, which is the lessons. A lot have said about in-game stuffs and interface including me, but as far as i can see, no one is posting about life lessons. There are two things, the positives and negatives.
1. Positive lessons. DOTA has taught me English, im each day increasing my english vocabulary, grammar, etc. It has also taught me how to cooperate and not being selfish cause it takes more than just skills to win the game. Studies have also shown that, gamer is usually brilliant in class and has higher IQ than non-gamer. It also helps me to spend money wisely.
2. Negatives. DOTA like all games, is highly addictive, therefore it must be balanced by other activities, e.g. sports. I have seen people that are really addicted to DOTA and has never spent a full day outside and away from computer, not even prayer or hangout with their family, its like living in a cave, only this cave is equipped with techs. You have no connection to the world outside. Second is time-managing. I am a Muslim, we are obliged to pray 5 times a day, and DOTA (well, its not just DOTA) has turned almost everyone to abandon their prayers and other obligations.
Now, for me, i have learned from the negatives that, i must not fall for the virtual world, DOTA is good, but there are also many other things to achieve. So, instead of falling to the dark side, hehe... i took the bad habits into life lessons, and as a reminder that life is just too short to spend most of the time with games. And by the way im still siding with DOTA cause of the many features, challenging, and hardness which i have shared in my previous comments.

angelanz2
12-22-2016, 09:47 AM
I think I'm a little bit late on the topic but I wanna voice out my opinion in the two popular, similar, opposing games of 2016.

IN A SHORT ANSWER, ITS DOTA 2..........................IS THE SECOND, HEHEHHE IM JUST KIDDING.

Of all honesty, both games are equally good but in different setting, kind of players, gameplay and etc.

But for me I preferably play League of Legends than Dota 2.

No bias on both games, Ill explain why.

League of legends have:

A RANKING SYSTEM, A SKIN SYSTEM, NEW CHAMPION EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS, FREE CHAMPION ROTATION, A RUNE SYSTEM, A NEAR PERFECTION BALANCING OF HERO ITEMS ETC., DIFFERENT KINDS OF MAP/LANE TO PLAY, MASTERY SYSTEM, LESS BUG, SMALL PATCH 1-2 TIME(S) A MONTH, CONDUCTED MORE TOURNAMENTS THAN DOTA 2 :D.

I also liked Dota 2 because it is based on a old Blizzard game and my personal favorite, Warcraft 3(AKA Dota).

Dota 2:

IS STEAM SUPPORTED, HAS OFFLINE GAME SUPPORT(OR YOU CAN DO LAN BASE GAMES), JUST RELEASED ONE OF THIER BIGGEST UPDATES ON THE GAME IN 2016(7.0) INCLUDES NEW HERO, A NEW INTERFACE, NEW PREGAME, MAP CHANGES, SOME HERO REMODEL ETC., THEY ALSO HAVE A SKIN SYSTEM, HAVE AN INGAME COURIER!!!(LEAGUE OF LEGENDS DOES NOT HAVE ONE :P), AND FINALLY DOTA 2 HOST 1 OF THE BIGGEST TOURNAMENTS IN 2016(THE BOSTON MAJOR).

I hope you guys liked my review :D feel free to voice out your opinion.

-----------BTW THE STATISTICS ABOVE YOU SEE ARE JUST NUMBERS, ITS ONLY SAYING THAT MANY VOTED DOTA 2 BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY DOTA 2 FANS IN THIS FORUM :D----------------

You miss a thing, DOTA also have a ranking system called MMR, highest MMR is always a spotlight on youtube. Biggest tournament in 2016 is The International 2016 and not Boston. I think

davidlesterbaron
12-22-2016, 11:11 AM
You miss a thing, DOTA also have a ranking system called MMR, highest MMR is always a spotlight on youtube. Biggest tournament in 2016 is The International 2016 and not Boston. I think

oh yea i forgot about thier ranking system :) sorry about that

davidlesterbaron
12-22-2016, 11:12 AM
You miss a thing, DOTA also have a ranking system called MMR, highest MMR is always a spotlight on youtube. Biggest tournament in 2016 is The International 2016 and not Boston. I think

in dota 2 its probably the boston

davidlesterbaron
12-22-2016, 11:19 AM
just wanna add a point. I want to point out about the most important thing you get from playing DOTA 2 as well as LoL, which is the lessons. A lot have said about in-game stuffs and interface including me, but as far as i can see, no one is posting about life lessons. There are two things, the positives and negatives.
1. Positive lessons. DOTA has taught me English, im each day increasing my english vocabulary, grammar, etc. It has also taught me how to cooperate and not being selfish cause it takes more than just skills to win the game. Studies have also shown that, gamer is usually brilliant in class and has higher IQ than non-gamer. It also helps me to spend money wisely.
2. Negatives. DOTA like all games, is highly addictive, therefore it must be balanced by other activities, e.g. sports. I have seen people that are really addicted to DOTA and has never spent a full day outside and away from computer, not even prayer or hangout with their family, its like living in a cave, only this cave is equipped with techs. You have no connection to the world outside. Second is time-managing. I am a Muslim, we are obliged to pray 5 times a day, and DOTA (well, its not just DOTA) has turned almost everyone to abandon their prayers and other obligations.
Now, for me, i have learned from the negatives that, i must not fall for the virtual world, DOTA is good, but there are also many other things to achieve. So, instead of falling to the dark side, hehe... i took the bad habits into life lessons, and as a reminder that life is just too short to spend most of the time with games. And by the way im still siding with DOTA cause of the many features, challenging, and hardness which i have shared in my previous comments.

Yea, one of the good thing in dota 2 is that there is NO surrender unlike LoL. The game wants you to play till the end and that what makes a good player pro :D

angelanz2
12-22-2016, 11:35 AM
in dota 2 its probably the boston

TI was bigger i think, in prize and everything else, dont know about Boston though, cause i was in the middle of my long final week of school exam. So i didnt quite follow

shinz14
12-22-2016, 12:10 PM
I'm very shocked to see that it's so one sided right now and no LoL fan have come to defend it.

that's because DOTA2 had that much players and community member all over the world :D

Turkisht
12-22-2016, 04:09 PM
Constantly expanding and offers such a wide array of characters and playstyles you can play anything the way you want. Several maps to play on and whats funner than jumping into the middle of the enemy team and wiping them out when you are about to lose the game and take it to the house for the win!@

Only negatives I can really think of is the desire for the skins and it takes a beating on your wallet.

davidlesterbaron
12-23-2016, 12:15 AM
I'm very shocked to see that it's so one sided right now and no LoL fan have come to defend it.

ahahah im on team LoL!

FALCOX
12-23-2016, 12:47 AM
I'm not a huge fan of MOBA games therefore I can't be helpful here.

shinz14
12-23-2016, 09:18 AM
Dota2 best MOBA game of all at this time. In a relatively short period of time it has become a game-competition world scale. Tournaments collect tens of thousands of spectators in the hall and millions watching front of the screen, which is comparable to major sporting events! DOTA2 - Best MOBA game!

agree!
"The International" was the most awaiting tournament every year and highlights of all. An epic match between pro's, unexpected gameplay and more awesome things!
:D

mohamad3333
12-23-2016, 01:49 PM
I know the competition has ended, but after i read some comments about dota 2, I'd have to say there were some good points there, like the complex mechanics and that all characters are for free. No one encouraged smite enough here. I played smite since beta.
When you talk about Gameplay: In smite you don't have to move the mouse to follow your character and there is no light area around you that shows your enemy and a dark area that hide them, it only exists on the map. as while your playing you can see as far as possible, even if they don't appear on map. You have easier control of the character as its a first-shooter-person style. which is the most unique between all. where you have to keep a sharp ear and sight on the the field, and the map ofc,and rotate the mouse for aiming . and that is the main reason i play.
Even though it has many Over Powered characters, and you hardly get a decent game. the fact that its a first-shooter-person game makes it at top. as for those decent games there would be an incredible gameplay and incredible stability and balance, that they last for an hour at least. But stability in smite is almost non existent, and the balance is almost always off. I play smite for those rare balanced games.
As for the Community, it sucks. many afk players and feeders. But recently they actually started banning people.
If you compare Graphics between smite and another game, I believe smite should at top.

Fhil09
12-23-2016, 03:00 PM
Dota 2 never fails to give us smiles,relieve stress and give us joy. Its challenging, now with the new update it gives more challenging gameplay and new tactics. I hope I win a graphics card for my computer thanks :D*

shinz14
12-24-2016, 06:29 PM
yeah nice.. player's enjoyment is most important, and despite what some people think of DOTA's bad graphics, it still wins the day (20+ millions dollar in the international total prize pool), i mean it sure is reassuring that DOTA is the best, most-played, and top ranking MOBA in the world. Just saying, no offense

DOTA1 have not good graphics but it's ok because in that generation, graphics were in development stage, compare to what we use to now and still developing for more accurate or let's say becoming realistic graphic but YES! DOTA2 si still the best of all moba game!!! :D

davidlesterbaron
12-25-2016, 12:22 AM
im surprise no one mentioned Heroes of the Storm and Smite in this discussion :(

Bahz
12-25-2016, 12:25 AM
I know the competition has ended, but after i read some comments about dota 2, I'd have to say there were some good points there, like the complex mechanics and that all characters are for free. No one encouraged smite enough here. I played smite since beta.
When you talk about Gameplay: In smite you don't have to move the mouse to follow your character and there is no light area around you that shows your enemy and a dark area that hide them, it only exists on the map. as while your playing you can see as far as possible, even if they don't appear on map. You have easier control of the character as its a first-shooter-person style. which is the most unique between all. where you have to keep a sharp ear and sight on the the field, and the map ofc,and rotate the mouse for aiming . and that is the main reason i play.
Even though it has many Over Powered characters, and you hardly get a decent game. the fact that its a first-shooter-person game makes it at top. as for those decent games there would be an incredible gameplay and incredible stability and balance, that they last for an hour at least. But stability in smite is almost non existent, and the balance is almost always off. I play smite for those rare balanced games.
As for the Community, it sucks. many afk players and feeders. But recently they actually started banning people.
If you compare Graphics between smite and another game, I believe smite should at top.

Very interesting insight on Smite, thanks for sharing! :)

Potrimpo
12-25-2016, 09:53 AM
that's because DOTA2 had that much players and community member all over the world :D

This is my favorite aspect. Get Players round the clock without waiting.

Badelhas
12-25-2016, 11:15 PM
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The third battle is a new type of battle; it’s a “debate.” Share with us your thoughts on which game title you feel is the true champion of MOBA games. The obvious choices are LoL (League of Legends) and DOTA 2, but is there something else that belongs in this discussion?

This battle begins on December 8th 2016 at 8:00pm (UTC+8) and ends on December 22nd 2016 at 8:00pm (UTC+8).

Don’t just share your choice, tell us why and prove it with your passion for the game! Only one submission for this topic but you may discuss and debate with others to earn additional entries for the grand prize draw.

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2nd Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
3rd Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
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Provide your answer on which game title you think is the best MOBA game and provide your reasoning and facts to back it up. Only entries that meet these criteria will be considered a valid entry.
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Additional qualified replies/comments will earn you additional entries for the grand prize draw. All additional qualified replies/comments on this thread or the other 3 battle topic threads will be accepted as additional entries up until January 4th 2017
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Bahz
12-26-2016, 08:22 AM
The announcement will be delayed, we'll be postponing the announcement to Dec 30th

DJFulcrum
12-26-2016, 01:48 PM
im surprise no one mentioned Heroes of the Storm and Smite in this discussion :(

It had been mentioned, but lacking elaboration. DOTA 2 players went deep into discussion their game.

DJFulcrum
12-26-2016, 02:49 PM
I know the competition has ended, but after i read some comments about dota 2, I'd have to say there were some good points there, like the complex mechanics and that all characters are for free. No one encouraged smite enough here. I played smite since beta.
When you talk about Gameplay: In smite you don't have to move the mouse to follow your character and there is no light area around you that shows your enemy and a dark area that hide them, it only exists on the map. as while your playing you can see as far as possible, even if they don't appear on map. You have easier control of the character as its a first-shooter-person style. which is the most unique between all. where you have to keep a sharp ear and sight on the the field, and the map ofc,and rotate the mouse for aiming . and that is the main reason i play.
Even though it has many Over Powered characters, and you hardly get a decent game. the fact that its a first-shooter-person game makes it at top. as for those decent games there would be an incredible gameplay and incredible stability and balance, that they last for an hour at least. But stability in smite is almost non existent, and the balance is almost always off. I play smite for those rare balanced games.
As for the Community, it sucks. many afk players and feeders. But recently they actually started banning people.
If you compare Graphics between smite and another game, I believe smite should at top.

Since this thread is largely rivalling LoL against DOTA 2, vice versa. I brought Paragon into the discussion, but I did not have any ‘current’ game to compare it to as it has been some time since I have played DOTA 1 or 2 and LoL. The best game to compare it to is Smite, and yeah, I know this competition thread has closed. What I had to do was to do an overview on Smite, what it is today, and to read the opinions made by both communities.

Paragon is still a Beta game; game content is still in development and the characters are unbalanced at this stage to make it a competitive product.
Similarities between Smite and Paragon:

- Free to play (and console ready)
- Third-person MOBA
- ‘Destroy to Win (Conquest)’ game mode

The advantages Paragon has over Smite:

- Long games
- Less characters (less balancing maintenance)
- Vertical maps
- Card system
- Big map, and since the latest ‘MAJOR’ update includes a small map.
- Unreal Engine 4 (best graphics)
- Battle movement speed/sprint movement speed
- Less game modes (more coming)
- Less balanced
- Hard escape
- Replays

The advantages Smite has over Paragon:

- Quick games
- More characters (more balancing maintenance)
- Less verticality
- Item purchases
- Small map
- Unreal Engine 3 (optimal graphics, more compatible with older PC hardware)
- Fast movement speed
- More game modes
- More balanced
- Easy escape
- No replays

The above may vary between players, some may see negatives in the above, but games are tailored to suit a desired market. Both these games will be 60 FPS unlocked on the consoles in time, I do not know whether Paragon has been unlocked now.

The one big advantage that Paragon has over Smite is the card system which allows player customisation and team based strategies which invokes a burst in the short or/and long game. It is debatable whether item purchases are more suited than a card system and which presents more diversity.

At the end, Smite is an polished product and is supported by an larger community. Paragon is gaining traction, and some do see it as a more attractive alternative.

mgs2009
12-28-2016, 04:37 PM
DOTA 2...... i have friends there.

geronimo8
12-30-2016, 01:33 AM
The best MOBA game is the one you can play with your friends.

Mine would be DotA (the first one, over Warcraft III) because it can run over Intel HD graphics. Hehehe.

AkaNe0
12-30-2016, 11:15 AM
Winners of the Battle #3 just have been announced! Thanks everyone for your participation, and here are the chosen ones:

1st Prize – ROG Goodies Box (filled with a ton of exclusive ROG swag)
Yuten - Dota 2
2nd Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
DaRkKenX - League of Legends
3rd Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
TenshiLX - Dota 2 + LoL
4th Prize – Mafia 3 Game Code (digital game code)
Hadid21Vpro - Dota 2

More details on the article - so hit the link (http://rog.asus.com/articles/giveaways/rog-forum-battleground---battle-3-winners-announced/).