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IWILZ
02-06-2017, 12:10 AM
Hi all.
I'm not a SSD guru and my english is not good, but i would share my experience just hoping that could be useful for someone.
I've bought a G752VT-GC173T equipped with a Samsung PM951/128GB (MZVLV128HCGR) as O.S. disk and a Hitachi HTS721010A9E630/1TB as second data disk.

Since the G752VT has a second empty M.2 slot, my purpose was to install a bigger SSD (for the S.O.) using the original 128GB disk as an additional data disk.
So i asked to italian Asus technical support for compatibility and i bought a Samsung SM951 256GB (MZVPV256HDGL-00000)

This is what i done:

installed the new SSD into the empty slot
started the BIOS (F2 + POWER ON) to check that the new SSD was seen by the BIOS --> OK
checked that the new disk was seen by "device manager" --> OK
using "disk manager" i initialized the new disk as GPT
format it as "simple volume/NTFS"

At this point the new SSD was ready for some little test and it worked fine reading and writing some directories and files :)


Now i was ready to "clone" the system disk on the new one, but unfortunately both "Samsung Data Migration Software" and "Samsung Magician" programs are incompatible with the new SSD disk so i decided to use "AOMEI Backupper Pro - Portable".
The original PM951 has 3 partitions and this program allows to trim the partitions size on the new (bigger) disk to maximize the O.S. partition maintaining the size of the others 2.
by the BIOS i set the new SSD as boot disk

At this point the system starts good from the new disk without any visible or troubling problems ;)

After some hours i noticed an error ID 158 (disk identifiers duplicate) between the system events and i'm pretty sure that is because i "cloned" the original disk.
So i decided to remove the original disk for a few days and set it aside as a precaution.

When i will sure that the new system disk works perfectly, i will insert it into the PC and format it as a second data disk.

BTW this is a speed test of the new disk (Samsung SM951/256G)
62380

...and this is the original one (Samsung PM951/128GB)
62381

BoutTime01
02-06-2017, 06:12 AM
Hi all.
I'm not a SSD guru and my english is not good, but i would share my experience just hoping that could be useful for someone.
I've bought a G752VT-GC173T equipped with a Samsung PM951/128GB (MZVLV128HCGR) as O.S. disk and a Hitachi HTS721010A9E630/1TB as second data disk.

Since the G752VT has a second empty M.2 slot, my purpose was to install a bigger SSD (for the S.O.) using the original 128GB disk as an additional data disk.
So i asked to italian Asus technical support for compatibility and i bought a Samsung SM951 256GB (MZVPV256HDGL-00000)

This is what i done:

installed the new SSD into the empty slot
started the BIOS (F2 + POWER ON) to check that the new SSD was seen by the BIOS --> OK
checked that the new disk was seen by "device manager" --> OK
using "disk manager" i initialized the new disk as GPT
format it as "simple volume/NTFS"

At this point the new SSD was ready for some little test and it worked fine reading and writing some directories and files :)


Now i was ready to "clone" the system disk on the new one, but unfortunately both "Samsung Data Migration Software" and "Samsung Magician" programs are incompatible with the new SSD disk so i decided to use "AOMEI Backupper Pro - Portable".
The original PM951 has 3 partitions and this program allows to trim the partitions size on the new (bigger) disk to maximize the O.S. partition maintaining the size of the others 2.
by the BIOS i set the new SSD as boot disk

At this point the system starts good from the new disk without any visible or troubling problems ;)

After some hours i noticed an error ID 158 (disk identifiers duplicate) between the system events and i'm pretty sure that is because i "cloned" the original disk.
So i decided to remove the original disk for a few days and set it aside as a precaution.

When i will sure that the new system disk works perfectly, i will insert it into the PC and format it as a second data disk.

BTW this is a speed test of the new disk (Samsung SM951/256G)
62380

...and this is the original one (Samsung PM951/128GB)
62381
Thanks for this. Will probably be doing this myself soon except with a 256GB SM961.

But in truth, with those speeds of the original PM950 (especially the writes) it's not even worth putting it back in the laptop for use as a 2nd drive. It's too slow. I updated my 1TB HDD with a sata SSD which has around 500 for both read/write.

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BoutTime01
02-08-2017, 05:21 AM
So do you notice a difference in performance after upgrading to the new drive?

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IWILZ
02-08-2017, 01:04 PM
So do you notice a difference in performance after upgrading to the new drive?

I've bought my G752VT only 2 weeks ago and i don't used it a lot before the upgrade.
In addition i was looking for more system space and not for better performances.

So i can just say that using Adobe Premiere to make a video editing at 1920x1080 is very good now (but i have not tried it before) and that my speed tests seems to confirm that the performances are improved.

P.S.
After 5 days, still no any kind of errors shown by Event Viewer ;)

JustinThyme
02-09-2017, 03:57 AM
The SM951 will certainly show improvement over the PM951.**Not only a different controller but the increase is size helps.*
A little bit of advice. Seeing how you have already removed your original drive leave it out. Do not format it. Leave it as is and put it away for a rainy day. So many posts on failures and ensuing clean installs that can all be averted by simply using the OEM drive to recover. *

BoutTime01
02-09-2017, 06:59 PM
I've bought my G752VT only 2 weeks ago and i don't used it a lot before the upgrade.
In addition i was looking for more system space and not for better performances.

So i can just say that using Adobe Premiere to make a video editing at 1920x1080 is very good now (but i have not tried it before) and that my speed tests seems to confirm that the performances are improved.

P.S.
After 5 days, still no any kind of errors shown by Event Viewer ;)
Did you need any new drivers or does windows use the same ones? Just wondering if I install an SM961 will I have any driver issues.

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IWILZ
02-09-2017, 10:39 PM
Seeing how you have already removed your original drive leave it out. Do not format it. Leave it as is and put it away for a rainy day.
Yes, this could be a good idea ;)

IWILZ
02-09-2017, 10:52 PM
Did you need any new drivers or does windows use the same ones? Just wondering if I install an SM961 will I have any driver issues.
No BoutTime01, i've done exactly what i told in the first post, so i i've not installed any new driver.
Furthermore, i chosen a Samsung SM951 only because italian Asus support told me that was the only M.2/256GB device certified by Asus.

If you will install a SM961 please report your experience because i could decide to buy one as a second M.2 card.

IWILZ
02-09-2017, 10:55 PM
I updated my 1TB HDD with a sata SSD which has around 500 for both read/write.

What model is your sata SSD and did you have any problem?

BoutTime01
02-12-2017, 07:33 PM
What model is your sata SSD and did you have any problem?
Sandisk Ultra II. No problems at all. Only paid about 76 for the 256GB version.

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BoutTime01
02-12-2017, 07:37 PM
No BoutTime01, i've done exactly what i told in the first post, so i i've not installed any new driver.
Furthermore, i chosen a Samsung SM951 only because italian Asus support told me that was the only M.2/256GB device certified by Asus.

If you will install a SM961 please report your experience because i could decide to buy one as a second M.2 card.
Just ordered an SM961 256GB online. Atleast I think I have. The Part Number is MZVPW256HEGL-00000 but according to the Samsung website the Part Number should be MZVPV256HEGL-00000.
A quick search on Google suggests O have the right one. Samsung themselves may have made a typo as the SM951 Part Number is MZPV256HDGL.

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BoutTime01
02-12-2017, 07:39 PM
Sandisk Ultra II. No problems at all. Only paid about 76 for the 256GB version.

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I meant 480GB.

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BoutTime01
02-12-2017, 07:43 PM
Just ordered an SM961 256GB online. Atleast I think I have. The Part Number is MZVPW256HEGL-00000 but according to the Samsung website the Part Number should be MZVPV256HEGL-00000.
A quick search on Google suggests O have the right one. Samsung themselves may have made a typo as the SM951 Part Number is MZPV256HDGL.

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Sm951 is MZVPV256HDGL.

Bloody Tapatalk......Can't edit posts.😤

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IWILZ
02-13-2017, 01:45 PM
Just ordered an SM961 256GB online. Atleast I think I have. The Part Number is MZVPW256HEGL-00000 but according to the Samsung website the Part Number should be MZVPV256HEGL-00000.
A quick search on Google suggests O have the right one. Samsung themselves may have made a typo as the SM951 Part Number is MZPV256HDGL.

ok... let us know when you install it. :cool:

BoutTime
02-14-2017, 06:31 PM
ok... let us know when you install it. :cool:

Ok so I've installed my new SM961 256GB NVME in my G752VT. I followed your instructions using the free version of AOMEI Backup and extended the OS partition once everything was finished. I've actually removed my PM951 128GB NVME SSD, put the SM961 into it's slot and the laptop boots from it automatically and re-labels it the C drive.

I ran CrystalDiskMark twice. Once after formating the SM961 as an NTFS volume and then again after cloning my old disk to the SM961. The improvement over the PM951 is startling to be honest.

Old PM951:

62527

New SM961 as an NTFS Drive:

62528

New SM961 as an OS Drive:

62529

Thanks very much for the guide! This was a lot easier than I'd envisaged. The only issue I had was extending my OS Partition into unallocated space as I'd forgot the unallocated space had to be adjacent to the partition you want to extend. So I had to move the recovery partition as it was between the OS partition and the Unallocated space.

Asus should never have used these PM951 128GB drives in the first place.

Thanks again @IWILZ!!

surfer96
02-15-2017, 01:42 PM
Like IWILZ, I've very recently bought a G752VT-GC173T with a Samsung PM951 (MZVLV128HCGR) as O.S. disk and a Hitachi 1TB empty SATA HDD.

However, I replaced the HDD with a Crucial MX300 SATA SSD. Afterwards I used EaseUS Todo Backup Free to clone all the partitions from the PM951 to the Crucial SSD. I could select the cloned OS partition as the new startup drive without any issues.

I'm now considering to replace the PM951/128 with 2 SM951/256's in order to run them in RAID0 mode.
I've been reading contradicting information on whether there is or not any performance gain from going RAID. I would expect that even if the read speed runs into some kind of bottleneck, there should at least be a significant increase for the write speed. *

Does anyone have any experience with a RAID0 upgrade for the G752VT?

Julskey
02-17-2017, 05:32 AM
Keep in mind to also have an unallocated space of about 10% of the drive capacity for overprovisioning, TRIM setting and etc...

BoutTime
02-17-2017, 08:46 AM
Keep in mind to also have an unallocated space of about 10% of the drive capacity for overprovisioning, TRIM setting and etc...

I thought manufacturers implemented this themselves. My 256GB SM961 shows up as 238.47GB. Of course there is nothing stopping us from creating an Unallocated Space partition for additional overprovisioning but it isn't a requirement is it?

Warboy
05-15-2017, 11:35 PM
SM951 is a better drive and its even rated better by Samsung.




Max Sequential Read
Up to 2150 MBps

Max Sequential Write
Up to 1200 MBps

4KB Random Read
Up to 90,000 IOPS

4KB Random Write
Up to 70,000 IOPS

vs PM951




Max Sequential Read
Up to 600 MBps

Max Sequential Write
Up to 150 MBps

Random Read
Up to 140,000 IOPS

Random Write
Up to 37,000 IOPS

and the SM961 is



Max Sequential Read
Up to 3200 MBps

Max Sequential Write
Up to 1800 MBps

4KB Random Read
Up to 450,000 IOPS

4KB Random Write
Up to 400,000 IOPS

So what you've shown for the PM951 is well within spec.

surfer96
04-28-2018, 02:03 PM
I just ran a speed test for those 2 SM951/256's I have running in RAID0 mode:

73529

Darnassus
04-30-2018, 03:33 AM
73560

FTW ;x

surfer96
05-01-2018, 01:15 PM
Awesome where can I get one?

panki_86
05-02-2018, 02:49 AM
73603
Original SM951 256GB vs PM961 1TB vs EVO 850 500GB Sata

AlberVita
03-19-2020, 05:04 PM
Hi all.
I'm not a SSD guru and my english is not good, but i would share my experience just hoping that could be useful for someone.
I've bought a G752VT-GC173T equipped with a Samsung PM951/128GB (MZVLV128HCGR) as O.S. disk and a Hitachi HTS721010A9E630/1TB as second data disk.

Since the G752VT has a second empty M.2 slot, my purpose was to install a bigger SSD (for the S.O.) using the original 128GB disk as an additional data disk.
So i asked to italian Asus technical support for compatibility and i bought a Samsung SM951 256GB (MZVPV256HDGL-00000)

This is what i done:

installed the new SSD into the empty slot
started the BIOS (F2 + POWER ON) to check that the new SSD was seen by the BIOS --> OK
checked that the new disk was seen by "device manager" --> OK
using "disk manager" i initialized the new disk as GPT
format it as "simple volume/NTFS"

At this point the new SSD was ready for some little test and it worked fine reading and writing some directories and files :)


Now i was ready to "clone" the system disk on the new one, but unfortunately both "Samsung Data Migration Software" and "Samsung Magician" programs are incompatible with the new SSD disk so i decided to use "AOMEI Backupper Pro - Portable".
The original PM951 has 3 partitions and this program allows to trim the partitions size on the new (bigger) disk to maximize the O.S. partition maintaining the size of the others 2.
by the BIOS i set the new SSD as boot disk

At this point the system starts good from the new disk without any visible or troubling problems ;)

After some hours i noticed an error ID 158 (disk identifiers duplicate) between the system events and i'm pretty sure that is because i "cloned" the original disk.
So i decided to remove the original disk for a few days and set it aside as a precaution.

When i will sure that the new system disk works perfectly, i will insert it into the PC and format it as a second data disk.

BTW this is a speed test of the new disk (Samsung SM951/256G)
62380

...and this is the original one (Samsung PM951/128GB)
62381

Hi guys,
I'm an happy owner of a VT752 with the original disk configuration as IWiz : Having the same problem - full OS disk_ i mounted a second SSD (Western Digital 500GB) ; everithing worked fine , installation, clonation, etc.. now comes the point (At the moment I have both SSD installed): How to change safely boot options ? I read about "disable Secure Boot": Is this necessary ? A step by step procedure would help. thank you in advance fpr your attention. Cheers

Clintlgm
03-20-2020, 09:02 PM
Hi guys,
I'm an happy owner of a VT752 with the original disk configuration as IWiz : Having the same problem - full OS disk_ i mounted a second SSD (Western Digital 500GB) ; everithing worked fine , installation, clonation, etc.. now comes the point (At the moment I have both SSD installed): How to change safely boot options ? I read about "disable Secure Boot": Is this necessary ? A step by step procedure would help. thank you in advance fpr your attention. Cheers

Turning off Secure boot would not do anything good for you. shut down, remove the old SSD, close up your notebook, boot up spamming the Esc key, this will bring up one time boot menu. Select your new SSD, it should boot into Windows and become the default boot manager device to boot too. Problem solved.