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monroe
09-05-2017, 06:27 PM
hi,
does ASUS have some plans to release some laptops with intel desktop CPUs and maybe desktop Nvidia GPUs?

Darnassus
09-06-2017, 01:36 AM
Isn't that what they're doing now? :<

I mean the G752's seem very desktop equivalent, especially with the 10 series GPU's and their CPU seems pretty similar HQ vs MQ.

You don't mean formfactor do you?

Korth
09-06-2017, 01:58 AM
ASUS already offers lots of laptops with Intel CPUs and NVIDIA GPUs lol.

No laptops are built with desktop CPUs. Not by ASUS, not by anyone else.

Laptop motherboards aren't as standardized as desktop motherboards, they're somewhat consistent in terms of form-factor but the manufacturers have a lot of flexibility. They basically design the motherboard and daughterboards and other PCBs along with the chassis everything fits inside, they can add/remove ports and slots and features just like they do across different desktop motherboard models.

Intel mobile CPUs are sometimes soldered (permanently) in place on board, and sometimes use some variety of "socket". But either way they are not physically or electrically compatible with Intel desktop CPUs. They might have similar Intel model numbers and specs to their desktop counterparts but they're aren't at all interchangeable. They also tend to selected/binned with consideration towards power efficiencies.

Laptop GPUs are often MXM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module) cards. They can be swapped or upgraded. But there are numerous little proprietary differences and issues between them and the motherboards they plug into. It's often easier to just leave them in place and treat them as "permanent" hardware.

Ifrin
09-06-2017, 02:28 AM
No laptops are built with desktop CPUs. Not by ASUS, not by anyone else.


You can buy some Clevo models, with desktop CPU:
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9172-clevo-p775dm3-g.html

monroe
09-06-2017, 05:36 PM
ASUS already offers lots of laptops with Intel CPUs and NVIDIA GPUs lol.

No laptops are built with desktop CPUs. Not by ASUS, not by anyone else.

Laptop motherboards aren't as standardized as desktop motherboards, they're somewhat consistent in terms of form-factor but the manufacturers have a lot of flexibility. They basically design the motherboard and daughterboards and other PCBs along with the chassis everything fits inside, they can add/remove ports and slots and features just like they do across different desktop motherboard models.

Intel mobile CPUs are sometimes soldered (permanently) in place on board, and sometimes use some variety of "socket". But either way they are not physically or electrically compatible with Intel desktop CPUs. They might have similar Intel model numbers and specs to their desktop counterparts but they're aren't at all interchangeable. They also tend to selected/binned with consideration towards power efficiencies.

Laptop GPUs are often MXM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module) cards. They can be swapped or upgraded. But there are numerous little proprietary differences and issues between them and the motherboards they plug into. It's often easier to just leave them in place and treat them as "permanent" hardware.


hi, thanks for the reply. it is very good reply ;). but i just would like to know one more thing. this customization of desktop CPUs and GPus for the laptops, does it has some performance impacts?

Clintlgm
09-06-2017, 08:47 PM
Yes

MrRuckus
09-08-2017, 04:11 PM
You can buy some Clevo models, with desktop CPU:
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9172-clevo-p775dm3-g.html

This is correct. Both Sager and Clevo both offer laptops that have Intel "K" processors in them which are desktop CPU's. As far as Asus offering them, I havent seen any to date, even there very high end GX800 has a mobile "HK" variant.

Very few laptops use desktop parts because the power increases dramatically with those. The performance difference normally isnt significant enough to justify the extra power needed.

Korth
09-08-2017, 04:39 PM
You can buy some Clevo models, with desktop CPU:
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9172-clevo-p775dm3-g.html
+rep

Thanx for the info. I haven't had a Clevo/Sager for a long, long time, lol, got sucked into all the fancy gaming laptop models everybody else makes.

It's hard to find specific info about the motherboards used in these machines. Chipset and processor (and sometimes manufacturer) are noted, but nothing else.

monroe
09-16-2017, 03:06 PM
Very few laptops use desktop parts because the power increases dramatically with those. The performance difference normally isnt significant enough to justify the extra power needed.

u have highlighted also a very good point about mobile CPUs vs desktp CPUs.

i have read somewhere that in the future (already starting with its 8th genertion) intel cpus, desktop ones will have more cores that the mobile ones. so i think that the deskotp ones will have better performance. so maybe asus will reconsider the option of latpops with desktop CPUs.

Clintlgm
09-17-2017, 06:40 PM
Please do wish this on us these notebooks are big enough already with out putting in desktop component Go on over to the GX forum maybe if its going to happen it will happen with that series.

monroe
09-17-2017, 07:14 PM
Please do wish this on us these notebooks are big enough already with out putting in desktop component Go on over to the GX forum maybe if its going to happen it will happen with that series.

u mena, if i will write this question again there then some electronics/hardware engineer from asus will see my post and will answer?

Korth
09-17-2017, 07:17 PM
But you're not interested in hauling around a 2-foot-wide, 3-inch thick, 17-pound laptop if it can give you desktop performance/compatibility ... lol?

ST9752
09-17-2017, 07:30 PM
It's ALL about energy!

A cpu/gpu is going to dissipate a certain amount of energy (heat) while running under a given load. This is known as TDP or Total Dissipated Power. Big gaming rigs are big because they need to dissipate LOTS of heat, far more than a laptop could reasonable dissipate without fans that constantly sounded like a hurricane.

The TDP of desktop processors is often double or more compared to mobile variants of the same chip. Yes they are a fair bit more powerful than their mobile brethren because of this. The portability requirement of a laptop means that they don't have the internal space for huge heatsinks and huge, high volume fans to remove all that heat. The buying public would not accept that.

When companies go the other direction even identical chips don't perform as well. Take the Macbooks for instance. They are designed to be a slim fashion statement and for that reason they do not have the necessary breathing room to keep their CPU's from having to thermally throttle. The same CPU will perform better in one of these gaming laptops because they are capable of removing the heat far better than a MacBook. I think Apple has begun to notice the are losing power users because of this form over function approach.

I would not expect to see any reasonable laptop company produce a machine with desktop chips in it. There's simply no room for the chips to breath. I wouldn't expect some weird niche laptop that did this to last very long either.

I'm an electronics engineer, just not from ASUS. :-)

monroe
09-17-2017, 07:43 PM
But you're not interested in hauling around a 2-foot-wide, 3-inch thick, 17-pound laptop if it can give you desktop performance/compatibility ... lol?

well, there are already such laptops and people are buying it. i am also strong enough to haul such a laptop in a backpack

monroe
09-17-2017, 07:48 PM
It's ALL about energy!

A cpu/gpu is going to dissipate a certain amount of energy (heat) while running under a given load. This is known as TDP or Total Dissipated Power. Big gaming rigs are big because they need to dissipate LOTS of heat, far more than a laptop could reasonable dissipate without fans that constantly sounded like a hurricane.

The TDP of desktop processors is often double or more compared to mobile variants of the same chip. Yes they are a fair bit more powerful than their mobile brethren because of this. The portability requirement of a laptop means that they don't have the internal space for huge heatsinks and huge, high volume fans to remove all that heat. The buying public would not accept that.

When companies go the other direction even identical chips don't perform as well. Take the Macbooks for instance. They are designed to be a slim fashion statement and for that reason they do not have the necessary breathing room to keep their CPU's from having to thermally throttle. The same CPU will perform better in one of these gaming laptops because they are capable of removing the heat far better than a MacBook. I think Apple has begun to notice the are losing power users because of this form over function approach.

I would not expect to see any reasonable laptop company produce a machine with desktop chips in it. There's simply no room for the chips to breath. I wouldn't expect some weird niche laptop that did this to last very long either.

I'm an electronics engineer, just not from ASUS. :-)

thanks for answering. i like ur answer too. smb has also mentioned that the issue is around TDP.
beside that i have also checked some reviews comparing clevo laptops (having desktop hardware) with rog laptops and i would like to say that asus rog laptops are a strong opponent given that was having almost the same or sometimes even better performance.

Clintlgm
09-17-2017, 09:14 PM
not likely, if you have any chance it will be with the GX Series (https://rog.asus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?218-GX-Series-Gaming-Notebooks)they are not going to do this with the G series do not wish such a contraption on us. https://rog.asus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?218-GX-Series-Gaming-Notebooks