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    Do you think they lose performance with the new bios ?

    Do you think lose performance with the new bios ?, I do not think so, check this video and see the subtle differences.

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    This board really pushes me to the edge, 33 years I been building my own computers, and never have I come across such a troublesome board in my entire life. When I do a run of cinebench r15, i reach temps of 80c using an AIO liquid cooler, the CPU Package power reaches nearly 180w during the cinebench run which is absurd, the highest I've seen ever from even the most powerful machines/processers is around 115w with a cinebench stress test. What on earth is going on here?

    Strangest thing is, if I put PE Level 3 (OC) on in the bios, these readings come down, however I've been told that level 3-4 are aggresive overclocks, so how on earth are my temps lowered and wattage usage lowered with an apparent agressive overclock, something doesn't sit right here. Problem is with stilts is you don't know any of the settings as it over-rides everything in bios in a ghost mode and just applies them no matter what value you enter.

    Look at the maximums below, this is what a cinebench pushes, it's absolutely absurd, I know it's not a bad processor, because on level 3 (OC) I can do a cinebench run and achieve max temps of around 63c, which is very much more in-line with my setup and cooling solution. I really am going to need some people to start helping me, as I am very close to chucking this board.

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    Bios 4602 when set to PE level 2 applies a higher scaler than older versions, meaning that it pushes more voltage and clocks higher.
    The additional voltage (and thus power consumed and heat generated) are not worth the very small 100MHz or so increase in clock speed vs PE level 2 on older bios versions.
    I believe you can adjust the scaler yourself in the PBO menu, but I didn't go down that path, and instead reverted to 4207, where I was happy with the heat output etc.

    For reference, running 4204 and PE level 2, my 2700X peaks at 156W total package power while running Cinebench r15, reaches a max of 69c under a Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B, and scores 1830cb

    It will score higher on the latest bios 4602, but not much more considering the chip will hit 85c which is the max PBO allows and will receive more volts and of course use more power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadFromWales View Post
    Bios 4602 when set to PE level 2 applies a higher scaler than older versions, meaning that it pushes more voltage and clocks higher.
    The additional voltage (and thus power consumed and heat generated) are not worth the very small 100MHz or so increase in clock speed vs PE level 2 on older bios versions.
    I believe you can adjust the scaler yourself in the PBO menu, but I didn't go down that path, and instead reverted to 4207, where I was happy with the heat output etc.

    For reference, running 4204 and PE level 2, my 2700X peaks at 156W total package power while running Cinebench r15, reaches a max of 69c under a Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B, and scores 1830cb

    It will score higher on the latest bios 4602, but not much more considering the chip will hit 85c which is the max PBO allows and will receive more volts and of course use more power.
    I downgraded to 4207, everything seems just that bit better from 4602.
    However I'm on a liquid cpu cooler, and although my peak package is now similar to yours, my temps with cinebench hit 72-73, I would expect, at least a few C below what your getting on an air cooler. Tempted to re-apply thermal paste, but I know i've done that 10 times already when I first got this cpu.

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    I apply a voltage offset of -0.05v, which brings all core load voltage down to around 1.25v CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN).

    The Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B is a pretty good air cooler, actually rivals the NH-D15 while fitting within a 120mm form factor, with only one fan.

    I meant 4207 bios currently, typo

    Running Prime95 28.10 with min and max FFT at 128 and run FFTs in-place results in peaks of up to 75c and a package power of up to 162W, with an average multiplier across all cores of 39.5x

    Bios 4602 clocked slightly above 4GHz (can't remember multi) but ran 10c hotter (was on stock cooler then, though) and pushed more voltage...didn't like it, but didn't play with advanced PBO settings in an attempt to reign it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadFromWales View Post
    I apply a voltage offset of -0.05v, which brings all core load voltage down to around 1.25v CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN).

    The Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B is a pretty good air cooler, actually rivals the NH-D15 while fitting within a 120mm form factor, with only one fan.

    I meant 4207 bios currently, typo

    Running Prime95 28.10 with min and max FFT at 128 and run FFTs in-place results in peaks of up to 75c and a package power of up to 162W, with an average multiplier across all cores of 39.5x

    Bios 4602 clocked slightly above 4GHz (can't remember multi) but ran 10c hotter (was on stock cooler then, though) and pushed more voltage...didn't like it, but didn't play with advanced PBO settings in an attempt to reign it in.
    I re-applied thermal paste using 5 dot method rather than the normal pea method I use usually. Now I got cinebench max temps down to 69-70, which is a result in my case. But what's strange is Prime 95 stress test with blend for half hour never went over 62-63c

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    Blend doesn't make Ryzen get all that hot. Do a custom test with min and max FFT set to 128, and tick in-place FFT's, it'll get hotter then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadFromWales View Post
    Blend doesn't make Ryzen get all that hot. Do a custom test with min and max FFT set to 128, and tick in-place FFT's, it'll get hotter then!
    For the first time in a long while since owning this CPU Im actually happy, so I'm not going to do that test, and ruin it lol. Just did the cinebench run again, and max temp was 62.8!!! and the cores were all clocked to 4,115mhz, usually it's 4,060mhz, sometimes even 3,995mhz. I'm guessing due to the low temps the XFR and what not clocks it higher. Literally from just reapplying my paste in the 5 dot formation, usually I do the pea in the middle, and I re pasted it many times, and never got my temps down until now. Also my low is nice too, 25.6c idle, I never seen below 29/30 on the CPU since I owned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadFromWales View Post
    Blend doesn't make Ryzen get all that hot. Do a custom test with min and max FFT set to 128, and tick in-place FFT's, it'll get hotter then!
    ok, I did the custom test as you said for around 10-15 mins and got the following.

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