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  1. #1661
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmak View Post
    Release 1.0.0.4B already please!
    Quote Originally Posted by deejones View Post
    Yes please!
    Let them properly test everything, we don't want a faulty BIOS version, do we? I agree that they should care much more about those who spent more money to buy a ROG, but well, what can we do...
    Meanwhile try the new power plan: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1...-developments/
    How to set up your BIOS and install the plan: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1...cessors/2.html
    Windows version doesn't matter anymore according to the author, so don't hurry up replacing your v1809 LTSC with anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by schmak View Post
    So no real difference here either with 1usmus's plan
    For me the difference was (I'm talking about v1 because can't test v1.1 yet):
    1) Ryzen Balanced tried to use the fastest core on CCX0 and the second fastest one on CCX0 in turn in a single-thread workload, so it jumped from one to another core. The 1usmus plan reduced that noticeably.
    2) Slightly, but still higher frequencies.
    3) The cores under Ryzen Balanced aren't loaded consistently, it drops from 100% everytime, while the 1usmus plan held the cores at 100% load most of the time.

    It may not be much for Cinebench, but in games it may reduce stuttering, because jumping from one core to another and inability to keep the full load and max frequencies may cause microfreezes and less fps overall. It may not be so much of an improvement, but since Ryzen still hasn't fully caught up with the Intel's (9900K and may be even 8700K/9700K) gaming level, every additional fps may make a difference, especially when you have a high-frequency monitor. One may say that Ryzen 3000 already gives enough, but you guys still buy low-timings RAM and try to tighten the timings furthermore just to get more fps and less freezes, so I'm personally extremely thankful to 1usmus for caring and doing what he's doing, thanks to him AMD are making more improvements and don't rest on laurels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topfn View Post
    I prefer ryzen balanced as daily driver.
    Ryzen high performance for gaming.

    The next chipset driver should hit the streets on 25th (3950x launch) - it would be logical if ryzen power plans would get some tweaks/optimizations as well.

    About 1usmus:
    I saw mixed results with his plan(s). I'd say that people expect too much from a "tweaked" power plan.
    Exactly, reading up through Reddit and other forums along with my own testing, the difference between his plan and the Ryzen High Performance is negligible. I am seeing slightly higher boost clocks, but we're talking 25-50 Mhz which will make no real difference. I am not seeing the CCX switching in the Ryzen High-performance plan either. Only on Ryzen balanced.

    From what I can tell his power plan does 2 things. First, it stops all core activity on the "low end" CCX to allow for a slightly higher boost, and it is slightly more aggressive with throttling up on CPU utilization percentage.

    I goofed around a bit more last night with Jedi: Fallen Order (great game BTW) and saw virtually no difference between Ryzen High-Performance and 1usmus plans in 30 minutes of gaming. My FPS average was the same, 101, and my CPU average speed was the same, 4350 Mhz. FPS is really the key indicator. No stuttering or anything there, but it is a multicore utilizing game and is pretty damn well optimized for SLI which I have.

    I'm with you, I think the improvements are superficial, not real world, and will use the Ryzen High-Performance for gaming and the Ryzen balanced for work. Now I just need an easy way to switch besides desktop shortcuts until the new firmware and driver is released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topfn View Post
    Right now I'm testing scheduled task(powershell) to automatically switch from balanced to high perf if certain conditions are met.
    gpu P0 state & >25% gpu load => switch to high perf

    Edit:
    prime x470-Pro and b450-F received beta bios 1.0.0.4B
    ours is still missing
    The Prime bios was a bummer, it's not a valid bios and has been removed from the hardwareluxx site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topfn View Post
    Right now I'm testing scheduled task(powershell) to automatically switch from balanced to high perf if certain conditions are met.
    gpu P0 state & >25% gpu load => switch to high perf

    Edit:
    prime x470-Pro and b450-F received beta bios 1.0.0.4B
    ours is still missing
    Ooh curious about the PS script if you wouldn't mind sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topfn View Post
    sure. SOURCE (german)

    I'm using the first script
    copy, paste
    you gotta change the power plans GUID (cmd -> powercfg -list)
    save as .ps1

    another thing I did:
    changed the user/group to SYSTEM (his first screenshot) + run with highest privileges

    you can run the render test via gpu-z to see if it actually changes
    This is awesome thanks! Works like a charm!
    Last edited by schmak; 11-21-2019 at 06:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmak View Post
    This is awesome thanks! Works like a charm!
    Have you seen the 3950X reviews? Wow that is one impressive CPU. It's a stock to learn it actually uses less power than the 12 core by a few watts even with more cores and very similar clocks, in fact boost is slightly higher on the 16 core part. Some good quality silicon it must have over the other models to achieve this.

    It should definitely work on our boards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topfn View Post
    Agesa 1004b will be necessary to run a 3950x
    No, it will run with ABBA, but not optimal according to AMD.

    Anyway, hardwareluxx has a working 1004B(BETA) for Prime Pro now, just testing it. Slight regression in performance from ABBA with a 3700X, nothing big, but definetely 50MHz lower boost overall and slightly less points in benchmarks. 1usmus universal 1.1 power plan and Windows 1909 November update.

    I would be happy with ABBA, if I wasn't trying to fix a particular bug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topfn View Post
    Agesa 1004b will be necessary to run a 3950x
    Do you think it will run cooler and use less power than a 2700X?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topfn View Post
    depends on your usage and other things I'd say
    check out some tech sites - most of them compare power consumption
    AMD do recommend an AIO liquid cooler but the fact is it uses slightly less power and runs almost 10c less than the 12 core 3900x which comes with an air cooler means you can get away easily with just a decent air cooler on the 3950X.

    hardware unboxed also found that it can run fine on even a decent B450 board with a vrm that is typically smaller than x470.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topfn View Post
    please spend some extra coins on a liquid cooler to have ULTIMAXIMUM POWAAAA
    you're gonna have a bad time using something like this
    I'm worried about maintenance, how frequently does the water have to be replaced? I have really bad water where I live (very high mineral content.) It causes me to have to replace my boiler every few years because it rusts. They are supposed to last 10 years but mine never last more than 5.

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