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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeta View Post
    VRM-wise strix x470-f is fine. Its not a crossshair but can run 2700x fine. To this date I have not seen Gigabyte/MSI/Asrock launch a board at the same price with same VRM quality-wise. 150 dollars vs 260-280 dollars for top end motherboards from all manufacturers. Where strix goes wrong is its bios and memory support - when taking these into consideration MSI is competitive.
    Agreed in the VRM part it is absolutely fantastic compared to anything available for the same price. You just name a board which has similar or better vrm in this price category? The power delivery is better compared to prime x470 and runs cooler to. You can't compare it with crosshair. There is nothing wrong in this mobo except the BIOS which I think can be corrected by tweaking properly if 1.45v really bothers you. I am running fine with my older 1600x with much reduced voltage 1.33v. No complaints.

    I also have a strix b350-f gaming the the reason to upgrade was 3200 ram support. Again my decision was wrong selecting a 3200 ram for my setup better to choose 2666 with very little performance impact. It also has a decent vrm design for the price point. If I had purchased lower speed ram then I think I may not need to upgrade from strix b350-f.

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    If I had a 2700x, then I could give you some idea how you can set it properly for a lower voltage and temp. Setting it properly is not a rocket science and really easy.

    If you have any question you can also check the last video I have posted to show how to properly configure llc vs vcore. Achieved much reduced voltage of 1.33v for 3.90 Ghz which was really fantastic for me. I have also shown the IR thermometer temp of the vrm heat sink during ibt stress test 51-59C with 28C room temp, just perfect.
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    The thing is that the 2700x performs way better on auto settings (XFR), particularly in games.

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    XFR performs better with a lowered offset voltage. You can also edit max boost with BCLK and some other tweaks. I don't think the BCLK trick works on x470-f and bios lacks options to tweak it more deeply unless you use a third party bios mod.

    2666 vs 3200 has a big impact when trying to get 200+ fps in overwatch and I suspect the same will apply to other games where you are chasing 144+ fps.
    Last edited by Leeta; 07-18-2018 at 01:36 PM.

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    So I am reading that AMD reddit reponse posted earlier and that answer is very narrowly focused and has some BS in it. Maybe reddit posters are different in general, but most of the complaints here are not so much about the voltages applied, as they relate to the resulting increase in temperatures that are associated with those voltage spikes. Apparently he has no clue how temperatures are a lagging function of votage spikes and the temps do not go down instantly when the voltage is removed. So for people like myself that do a lot of 3D CAD rendering, where the CPU usage is consistently high for extended periods of time, those voltages can increase tCTL to temps where you might experience thermal cutoff without adequate cooling.

    Since most people (myself included) aren't engineers in thermal dynamics and we decide on a cooling solution expecting results similar to the 1xxx series of Ryzen, the only thing you can really control are voltages. When you see 1.6v or 1.7v at peaks you become concerned. Doesn't matter that the 2xxx series may be okay with 1.72V maximum. When you see Precision Boost or XFR popping in and spiking temps to 80°C and above, you lower the voltages to try to get those into ranges you are more comfortable with.

    It's our money and most of us are not like that AMD redditer than can just pull another CPU off the shelf if he/she does something stupid to it.

    Sorry that answer just pissed me off, I had to rant. I am done now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheres.Waldo View Post
    So I am reading that AMD reddit reponse posted earlier and that answer is very narrowly focused and has some BS in it. Maybe reddit posters are different in general, but most of the complaints here are not so much about the voltages applied, as they relate to the resulting increase in temperatures that are associated with those voltage spikes. Apparently he has no clue how temperatures are a lagging function of votage spikes and the temps do not go down instantly when the voltage is removed. So for people like myself that do a lot of 3D CAD rendering, where the CPU usage is consistently high for extended periods of time, those voltages can increase tCTL to temps where you might experience thermal cutoff without adequate cooling.

    Since most people (myself included) aren't engineers in thermal dynamics and we decide on a cooling solution expecting results similar to the 1xxx series of Ryzen, the only thing you can really control are voltages. When you see 1.6v or 1.7v at peaks you become concerned. Doesn't matter that the 2xxx series may be okay with 1.72V maximum. When you see Precision Boost or XFR popping in and spiking temps to 80°C and above, you lower the voltages to try to get those into ranges you are more comfortable with.

    It's our money and most of us are not like that AMD redditer than can just pull another CPU off the shelf if he/she does something stupid to it.

    Sorry that answer just pissed me off, I had to rant. I am done now.

    If an architect feature kills my cpu then I am RMA'ing it. 100% guaranteed success at least in europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeta View Post
    XFR performs better with a lowered offset voltage. You can also edit max boost with BCLK and some other tweaks. I don't think the BCLK trick works on x470-f and bios lacks options to tweak it more deeply unless you use a third party bios mod.

    2666 vs 3200 has a big impact when trying to get 200+ fps in overwatch and I suspect the same will apply to other games where you are chasing 144+ fps.
    Yes agreed the jump will be 2-5%. Now for the insanely high ram price, buying a 3200 kit can not justify that gain.
    Better to buy better GPU for the money or better cpu and I am sure in that case the fps jump will be more significant. Now for the same money I can buy 1800x+GTX1080ti for a 2666Mhz ram kit = much better performance.
    If someone has enough to buy everything max end in that case there is no point of debate.
    For rest of the world buying a better cpu+gpu and get a 2666Mhz ram will be much much much better option rather to buy a 3200 kit and then realizing your fault and justifying the purchase.
    Again for 200+ fps 8700k+GTX1080ti/1080 will be your way to go not ryzen it will be more cost effective. Ryzen even has lower IPC than 8700k and oc headroom.

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    Why people are still debating on the spike and temp??? If you are buying this mobo you should have a better than stock cooler since this mobo is not for the regular user it may be one reason (i don't know) why it is pushing so much voltage for the performance, it is tuned in that way. I can't see the future and nobody else does so it will be better to believe on asus and amd engineers what they have designed.
    If you are using the stock cooler and cant handle this temp lower down the setting/add your custom oc where you are comfortable with.
    By the way, is there any offset for 2xxx between tdie and tctl temp? check the tdie it will give you more accurate result.
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    this is prime not ROG strix

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    Disappointed but still hopeful.

    Picked up this board on Tuesday. It was intended to replace my Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3. I was very excited to experience PBO, a fully fleshed out BIOS, and better memory compatibility. Instead what I got was worse memory compatibility and overall instability. Have NZXT CAM and AiDA64 running at the same time? Black screens. Random mouse stuttering is frustrating. And on top of all this I could only run my 3000 CL15 RAM kit (F43000C15D-GTZ -- I know it's not B-Die, I bought this memory before Ryzen was released) at 2666 MHz with insanely loose timings whereas I could run it at 2933 MHz 14-13-13-13-33 with very tight subtimings on my Gigabyte Board. And yes, I've used Ryzen DRAM Calc before. I spent my entire Tuesday night and part of Wednesday trying different settings to get the memory to run at higher speeds but to no avail. I've swapped my Gigabyte board back in.

    Seriously considering returning this motherboard and sticking with what I got. It's a shame too because it's a beautiful and well-made motherboard that checks all of the boxes for me when it comes to features. The BIOS is incredible too. I remain hopeful that BIOS ver. 4012 is released soon and rectifies these issues. I want to love this motherboard, ASUS. pls.

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