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    Quote Originally Posted by timiman View Post
    Yes indeed.
    By using 'Ryzen Balanced' with a 6% 'Minimum CPU Frequency' was the same as 'Balanced', in terms of lows/highs, but also with the gift of no parking the idle cores.
    Many other parameters are different, and these were set to cause higher and quicker clock raises under less thread occupancy to make Ryzen1 more responsive under the old thread scheduler. On a Ryzen+ these settings vs the regular balanced profile can actually hinder top clocks when there are just a few threads in full occupancy, because those under less use will be consuming more power, due to raising clocks more often under little stress and avoiding a very quick switching C6, even if minimum cpu clock is lowered to the same 5% on the profile. This is the reason the ryzen balanced at 90% was good for ryzen1, and regular balanced is now preferable for ryzen+ on a daily scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorcav123 View Post
    I pressumed Than we ll have to wait for the end of this month. I hope they will release this time and not like the last time when they told me that BIOS will be released in January.
    Do you recommend we install this BIOS or wait for the one at the end of the month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casta13 View Post
    Go to Advanced and then AMD CBS.
    Thanks, just in time for the new BIOS!

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    There have been some reports of added latency on this agesa, other than PBO problems. I'd hold the update for now without a 3000 series requiring it.
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    Soon this update should land for the VII, and then extensive testing about these changes should pop.

    Also, @timiman, you might check under a heavy prime load or cinebench what power your cpu is using under hwinfo. Your problem with higher clocks with the Ryzen Balanced Power plan could be related with a reported forced 125-130W cinebench cap that wasn't present before (on the older agesa bios) under PE1 (IIRC this preset should use 150W) or PE2 (no cap) in one of the linked threads, only setting it higher again under ryzen master solved this issue.
    Last edited by AlleyViper; 03-12-2019 at 04:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex0915 View Post
    Do you recommend we install this BIOS or wait for the one at the end of the month?
    Your choice. I will wait for fully tested BIOS, I hope they are teling truth this time about release date

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorcav123 View Post
    Your choice. I will wait for fully tested BIOS, I hope they are teling truth this time about release date
    I'll wait for the next one too, although it was really annoying that when my computer idled when I went to sleep my fans went to the max. I suppose I just could have gotten up and turned the computer off lol.

    I'm holding back on the power changes hoping that the update at the end of the month fixes that issue.

    Is the new update thats coming at the end of the month supposed to fix the issue of the fan speeds going to the max when your computer idles and goes into hibernation? It looks like hibernation freezes the computer and returns it to a pre-BIOS loaded stage so whatever changes we make to the BIOS go away and it returns to its default values and thus the fans start getting loud again. A hard restart is needed to fix the issue.

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    https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Does this mean that we will be able to use 16c/32t cpus in our motherboards without any issues?

    Ryzen 9 3800X 16/32 3.9GHz 4.7GHz 125w $449/$505
    Ryzen 9 3850X 16/32 4.3GHz 5.1GHz 135w $499/$560
    A listing on a Russian retail website in early January 2019 backed up much of these specifications, as reported by WCCFTech. It similarly highlighted the high core counts and frequencies of Ryzen 9 components and up to a 5GHz frequency on the Ryzen 7 3700X. However, it isn’t known at this time whether the listings were based on earlier leaks, placeholders, or if they come from a more official source.

    If accurate, these specifications suggest that the Zen 2 architecture improves upon Zen and Zen+ designs dramatically. It appears to have made it possible to pack more cores into the same physical form factor, as well as leading to a big increase in clock speed without any change in TDP requirements.

    The cores on offer with these chips are far greater than those in Ryzen 2000 CPUs — or even Intel’s latest ninth-generation chips. Clock speeds are comparable to that of Intel’s best chips and yet those frequencies are only possible on Intel’s CPUs on a couple of cores at a time without heavy overclocking. AMD’s turbo frequencies are typically applied to all cores, so the Ryzen 3000 series could be the first to offer an all-core 5GHz+ frequency out of the box.

    Whether AMD can beat Intel in limited-thread tasks like most games, remains to be seen. Typically AMD’s Ryzen chips have a significant advantage in multithreaded tasks, and prove weaker clock for clock. However, other rumors suggest AMD may have made big improvements to the instructions per clock (IPC) of Ryzen 3000 CPUs. As much as 13 percent by some counts. Such a gain would be uncharacteristic of even a revolutionary architecture, but a few percentage point gains in IPC would almost completely close the gap between the two chip firms. When combined with increases in core counts and clock speeds, that could make AMD’s new Ryzen CPUs the most powerful consumer chips in the world.

    AM4 SOCKET

    One thing we do know for sure about the Ryzen 3000 series, is that like Zen and Zen+ platforms, the Zen 2 chips will utilize the AM4 socket. That means that the Ryzen 3000 CPUs will work in existing AM4 motherboards with a BIOS update and future motherboards built with the new-gen chips in mind should support first and second-generation Ryzen CPUs in turn.

    AMD has pledged to continue to use the AM4 socket through 2020 when Ryzen 4000 CPUs (based on the Zen2+ architecture) are expected to be released. That means that not only will those looking to upgrade to the Ryzen 3000 series from existing Ryzen platforms not have to upgrade their motherboard at the same time, but they won’t have to do so for the Zen 2+ chips either. That could make it a much more cost-effective upgrade and the backward compatibility opens up many more options for potential buyers.
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    According to this our new motherboards will be able to use PCIE4.0!

    AMD representatives confirmed that 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards can support PCIe 4.0. AMD will not lock the out feature, instead it will be up to motherboard vendors to validate and qualify the faster standard on its motherboards on a case-by-case basis. Motherboard vendors that do support the feature will enable it through BIOS updates, but those updates will come at the discretion of the vendor.
    Most older motherboards could support a PCIe 4.0 x16 connection to the first slot on the motherboard, but the remainder of the slots could revert to PCIe 3.0 signaling rates. That's because any trace routing on the motherboard that exceeds six inches requires newer redrivers and retimers that support PCIe 4.0's faster signaling rates. That means the PCIe slot nearest to the CPU will easily support PCIe 4.0, while the other slots, including M.2 ports, could run at PCIe 3.0. Support could be limited to slots based upon board, switch, and mux layouts.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...now,38233.html

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...ard,38401.html

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    I wanted to report that I was able to fix my hanging on idle problem without altering those power settings in BIOS and without updating to the new BIOS. It looks like it was a Windows issue so I merely turned off Sleep and Hibernate settings in Power Options (interestingly, the settings to turn the display off weren't working at all), something with the new Windows Update broke Power Options since everything was working fine prior to the update. Now I use third party software to force hibernation after 4 hours of idle time (AiryTech Switch Off) and that works just fine, no hang ups or freezes or fans ramping back up. Even my motherboard lights stay off when the app forces hibernation and all I need to do is click on the mouse or press a key to bring it out of hibernation.

    I'll update to the next BIOS which comes out at the end of the month, there seem to be some negative reports about this new one, and the only feature it adds is support for new CPUs.

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    Thanks I disabled fast start up. I also found I had to disable wake timers.

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