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    Quote Originally Posted by bass junkie xl View Post
    well i tried adaptive voltege again and i played with cpu current capability from auto , 140 % all the way down and cpu phase to optomozed vs extreme
    ia/dc =0.01 , load line ( 5 and 6 ) , max cpu volts = 1.33 v , no offset then with a 0.028 v offset , cpu power maxed ,

    always spikes ! it sits @ 1.33v play bf1 or a heavey app loads up to 1.37v spikes some times adaptive is down the drain for me . i can live with a 1.33 - 1.35 v spike here and there but not 1.37v . less load line cali = less spike but whea error because then it sits @ 1.312 v some times . a offset of 0.016v will throw a whea to cause it wil ldrop from 1.33v to 1.320 v some times and whea error on event viewer ( not blue screen ) .

    manual vcore now til lasus fixes it or gives us a option to control how much.

    that sounds sad im sad for you

    but maybe you can try having a lower set voltage like: 1.2500 with +offset of 0.070 or even lower offset. I have a negative offset of 0.100. but I haven't tried over 5.0ghz like you do, but I think you could go lower on frequency so you can run lower voltage I don't think your setup will be bottlenecked with an 8700k at 4.9ghz

    is it really that sensitive? it crashes at 1.32 but not 1.33? then you are really on the edge of stable

    but I know, it feels nice having 5.0+ghz when you have payed a lot of money to have it that way

    (there is a new bios 1704, maybe that one is the fix for EVERYTHING )

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalle-m View Post
    that sounds sad im sad for you

    but maybe you can try having a lower set voltage like: 1.2500 with +offset of 0.070 or even lower offset. I have a negative offset of 0.100. but I haven't tried over 5.0ghz like you do, but I think you could go lower on frequency so you can run lower voltage I don't think your setup will be bottlenecked with an 8700k at 4.9ghz

    is it really that sensitive? it crashes at 1.32 but not 1.33? then you are really on the edge of stable

    but I know, it feels nice having 5.0+ghz when you have payed a lot of money to have it that way

    (there is a new bios 1704, maybe that one is the fix for EVERYTHING )
    thats the only thing i havent tried yet is lower total adaptive + positive offset .

    5.1 ghz is stable @ 1.33v if the cpu gets 1.3 v on load it gets a whea error not a blue screen just in event viewer .

    a new bios what !! ill try her out and report back

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    asus x hero no new bios still 1602 on the support site

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    Version 1704
    2018/10/029.86 MBytes
    ROG MAXIMUS X HERO BIOS 1704

    it has been out for two weeks

    I have not installed it though, I don't want to reset all my fine tuning will do it soon enough anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalle-m View Post
    Version 1704
    2018/10/029.86 MBytes
    ROG MAXIMUS X HERO BIOS 1704

    it has been out for two weeks

    I have not installed it though, I don't want to reset all my fine tuning will do it soon enough anyway
    Updated to 1704 few new options , same over clocks still stable ,no issues

    Volt spike behavior is still there which is what i expected . Seems like i just have to live with up to 0.038 v spikes on avx loads ( bf1 , eft , some apps ) .

    I have saved 5 over clock profiles in bios

    My 5 ghz @ 1.28v is set to adaptive mode
    ( spikes up to but does not stay spikey)
    Up to 1.312 ish volts . That i can live with .

    My 5.1 ghz @ 1.355 v i use manual vcore no issues
    My 5.2 ghz @, 1.392v manual.

    No more tinkering im done and saved the profiles.

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    ok i have narrowed down the "adaptive mode volt spikes " issue

    if you " do not use " a avx offset you will see " up to " 0.040 v spikes in adaptive mode .

    example 5 ghz , load line=6 , ia/dc =0.01 , total adaptive volts = 1.28 v to be stable avx = 0 you will see spikes " up to " 1.312 - 1.32 v .

    if you use a avx offset of = - 1 the " volt spikes " will only be " up to " 0.016 v - 0.020 v
    example : 5 ghz 1.28v avx = -1 , = " up to " 1.296 v spike vs 1.312v - 1.32v spikes with out a avx offset .

    i was reading in the over clock .net forums and guy narrowed it down and tested 8 8700k , a few 8086k in adaptive mode and had it down to a science ,

    no avx offset = up to 0.040 v spikes
    avx offset = -1 = up to 0.016 - 0.020 v spikes
    avx offset = - 2 = no spikes or minamal up to 0.016v tops !

    so what i did was use my 8700k thats stable @ 5.1 ghz @ 1.36v manual switched to adaptive mode set a avx offset of = - 1
    total adaptive volts = 1.36v ( cpus svid tables work in 0.016 v incriments on load ) load line = 6 and now i only get max of
    1.376 v on avx loads ( +0.016 v spike ) on avx loads .
    playing games with out avx bf4 it sits @ 1.36v no spike ,

    i also tested 5.2 ghz with avx offset of =-2 @ 1.4v and didnt get any spikes period .

    in the end live with a - 1 avx and only get up to a 0.016v spike or dont set a avx offset and recieve up to 0.040 v spike . - 2 avx = no spike .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass junkie xl View Post
    ok i have narrowed down the "adaptive mode volt spikes " issue

    if you " do not use " a avx offset you will see " up to " 0.040 v spikes in adaptive mode .

    example 5 ghz , load line=6 , ia/dc =0.01 , total adaptive volts = 1.28 v to be stable avx = 0 you will see spikes " up to " 1.312 - 1.32 v .

    if you use a avx offset of = - 1 the " volt spikes " will only be " up to " 0.016 v - 0.020 v
    example : 5 ghz 1.28v avx = -1 , = " up to " 1.296 v spike vs 1.312v - 1.32v spikes with out a avx offset .

    i was reading in the over clock .net forums and guy narrowed it down and tested 8 8700k , a few 8086k in adaptive mode and had it down to a science ,

    no avx offset = up to 0.040 v spikes
    avx offset = -1 = up to 0.016 - 0.020 v spikes
    avx offset = - 2 = no spikes or minamal up to 0.016v tops !

    so what i did was use my 8700k thats stable @ 5.1 ghz @ 1.36v manual switched to adaptive mode set a avx offset of = - 1
    total adaptive volts = 1.36v ( cpus svid tables work in 0.016 v incriments on load ) load line = 6 and now i only get max of
    1.376 v on avx loads ( +0.016 v spike ) on avx loads .
    playing games with out avx bf4 it sits @ 1.36v no spike ,

    i also tested 5.2 ghz with avx offset of =-2 @ 1.4v and didnt get any spikes period .

    in the end live with a - 1 avx and only get up to a 0.016v spike or dont set a avx offset and recieve up to 0.040 v spike . - 2 avx = no spike .
    thats awesome dude! sorry for amateur question but would you mind putting screenshots/pics of the relevant areas to be able to acheive the relatively stable adaptive mode setup on this mobo?

    i have z370-h (BIOS 1704), 8600k 5ghz, 1.330v stable in manual mode. any options i've tried with adaptive mode seem to have been a failure i guess tehre's no inherent problem with what i have but always felt it could be a bit more efficient atleast .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unluggy71ab View Post
    thats awesome dude! sorry for amateur question but would you mind putting screenshots/pics of the relevant areas to be able to acheive the relatively stable adaptive mode setup on this mobo?

    i have z370-h (BIOS 1704), 8600k 5ghz, 1.330v stable in manual mode. any options i've tried with adaptive mode seem to have been a failure i guess tehre's no inherent problem with what i have but always felt it could be a bit more efficient atleast .
    In bios do these. If your 5 ghz is stable @ 1.33v

    Multy = 50
    Svid =on
    Svid = best case cinario
    Cpu power options to max min/ max deration = 4555.5
    ( what ever max is prevents throttling)

    Ia / dc load line both to = 0.01

    Load line = 6 ( 7 is max )
    Blck adaptive aware volts = disabled.


    Cpu volts adaptive mode
    Total adaptive volts = 1.33v
    Offset = auto ( none ) unless u spike .
    Bios c states to all auto.

    Xmp on.
    Set windows power plan to balanced.

    Should be good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unluggy71ab View Post
    thats awesome dude! sorry for amateur question but would you mind putting screenshots/pics of the relevant areas to be able to acheive the relatively stable adaptive mode setup on this mobo?

    i have z370-h (BIOS 1704), 8600k 5ghz, 1.330v stable in manual mode. any options i've tried with adaptive mode seem to have been a failure i guess tehre's no inherent problem with what i have but always felt it could be a bit more efficient atleast .
    In bios do these. If your 5 ghz is stable @ 1.33v

    Multy = 50
    Avx = - 1 ( only if u want up to a max of 0.016 v spike )
    No avx u will see up to 0.040v spike 1.33 + 0.040 = 1.37v

    So try avx 1 if u see it spike alot past 1.33 -1.35 v
    Svid =on
    Svid = best case cinario
    Cpu power options to max min/ max deration = 4555.5
    ( what ever max is prevents throttling)

    Ia / dc load line both to = 0.01

    Load line = 6 ( 7 is max )
    Blck adaptive aware volts = disabled.


    Cpu volts adaptive mode
    Total adaptive volts = 1.33v
    Offset = auto ( none ) unless u spike .
    Bios c states to all auto.

    Xmp on.
    Set windows power plan to balanced.

    Should be good.

    Just keep hardware monitor 64 open keeping an eye on min/avg/ max vcore .

    I would rather use a 5.1 ghz with a - 1 avx ( 5 ghz on avx loads ) @ 1.36v with a spike up to 1.376 v then not use a avx offset and see those damn 0.040v spikes.

    Some good quality cpus ( higher binned ones )
    See less volt spikes then others that are lower quality since we are using intels svid tables on the cpu aka
    Adaptive mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass junkie xl View Post
    In bios do these. If your 5 ghz is stable @ 1.33v

    Multy = 50
    Svid =on
    Svid = best case cinario
    Cpu power options to max min/ max deration = 4555.5
    ( what ever max is prevents throttling)

    Ia / dc load line both to = 0.01

    Load line = 6 ( 7 is max )
    Blck adaptive aware volts = disabled.


    Cpu volts adaptive mode
    Total adaptive volts = 1.33v
    Offset = auto ( none ) unless u spike .
    Bios c states to all auto.

    Xmp on.
    Set windows power plan to balanced.

    Should be good
    thanks, can confirm i made adjustments to bios as you recommended. ran realbench 3x, seems no issues, though not sure why my score goes down per each run. hwmonitor shows vcore max was 1.344V (was this max even before loading realbench), which i'm not sure how as i set it to 1.330v and left the + adaptive to auto . min vcore 0.664. ill run heavenbench soon too and maybe bit of prime95 to confirm stability but so far is good, can see lower idle temps/idle vcore voltes which is more or less what i wanted to acheive. whilst maintaining stability. guess ill find out for sure when playing some games tonight

    questions:
    * how about speedshift and speed step. should they be enabled?
    * with the adaptive mode, i selected +. wasn't sure exactly what you meant by offset=auto(none), does that mean leave it at auto or put it to 0? for now it's left at auto.
    * i have avx on 3 as noticed temps go up bit more and things get louder in those situations, how does that tie in with that situatiion you mentioned about spikes? to tighten it up would i benfit from going back to avx-1 rather than avx-3?

    bios changelog (the ones not shown in changelog, i already had it there from yoru sugegstions in past posts)
    cpu svid support -> enabled
    bclk aware adaptive voltage -> disabled
    cpu core/cahce voltage -> adaptive mode
    additional tubro mode cpu core voltage auto -> 1.330v
    cpu load line calibration lvl 5 -> lvl 6
    long duration package power limit auto -> 4095 (this is max on this mb)
    short duration package power limit auto -> 4095
    ia ac load line auto -> 0.01
    ia dc load line auto -> 0.01
    cpu c-states disabled -> auto
    speedstep enabled
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