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    B-Die DRAM OC issues

    I've never payed much attention to DRAM OC (XMP or simple clock raise aat 1-2 steps), but now I was itching to hike the system to the max.
    But I've bumped into concrete wall.

    So, the specs are 8700K, x hero, gskill trident 2x16GB B-die dual rank 14-14-14-34 1.35V 3000 mhz ram.

    I've started from available on the market maximum - that is 4000 CL19 2x16 ram. I've checked primary timings, raised vSA/vIO to 1.30V (thus, 1.35 aftre boot), RAM was at 1.45V, that is more than factory 4000 mhz requires. Boot failed.
    Then I've took moderate approach, decreased target frequency to 3600MHz, 17-19-39, vSA/vIO left the same, vRAM - 1.4V. I wasn't able to boot.
    I've checked all things couple more times, raised vRAM to 1.45, kicked CL20 timings, raised vSA/vIO to 1.38V - nothing helped.

    In both situations, boot stucked at RAM initialization with Qcode 6A.

    Tried to push RAM at 3200 MHz withing factory settings - system does boot, but for veeeeery long time + it is not stable at all - numerous errors, application crashes, etc.

    What am I doing wrong?

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    Factory 4000 kits are binned and priced accordingly....you don't just buy a 3000 rated kit and stick in the 4000 timings and away you go...we all wish that...

    The single greatest limit (assuming the MB is rated to support high frequencies) is the CPU memory controler...as well as the chips on the RAM...

    You are pretty high in the SA/IO volts I reckon too...not sure about that platform but 1.3 is probably a healthier limit

    If your kit is rated 14-14-14-34...I'd try timings that stay with that pattern...try 3600 16-16-16-36 for example...up to 1.5v VDIMM

    Basically there are no guarantees with this stuff
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    Actually, 3000MHz ram with CL14 timings are also binned. Thus, there's no guaraantee that you can hit ~5000mhz with'em, but you have way better chance with that.
    And, with B-die chips, you can easily hit whatever clock you want within range 3000-4000 MHz, with right timings and voltage respectively.

    Plus, these seems like to be CPU's flaw - as far as I understand Qcode.

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    OK, great...good luck with the OCing

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    The problem solved itself...... Goddamn XMP profiles....

    I've restarted the thing with manual mode. typed in timings manually - and it worked flawlessly. Even at factory rated voltage - 1.35V, CL16 3600 MHz. Dunno if it is stable - still, I have hot boot real quick, so I really hope these chips can do well.

    However, any other combination doesn't work, and I dunno why.
    4000 CL18
    4000 CL19
    4000 CL20
    3600 CL16 but 1T
    3200 CL14

    All of these won't work. And I dunno where else to dig. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Saknussemm View Post
    Factory 4000 kits are binned and priced accordingly....you don't just buy a 3000 rated kit and stick in the 4000 timings and away you go...we all wish that...

    The single greatest limit (assuming the MB is rated to support high frequencies) is the CPU memory controler...as well as the chips on the RAM...

    You are pretty high in the SA/IO volts I reckon too...not sure about that platform but 1.3 is probably a healthier limit

    If your kit is rated 14-14-14-34...I'd try timings that stay with that pattern...try 3600 16-16-16-36 for example...up to 1.5v VDIMM

    Basically there are no guarantees with this stuff
    About “pattern” you’ve mentioned - I’m trying to push ram to 4000 mhz, CL17/18/19, but nothing workes out. I’tried playing with vRAM,vSA/vIO, secondary timings as well. Tips about what can I try else?*

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    Not sure what you're trying to achieve by pushing your memory that high.

    Essentially the sweet spot is 3200 CL14. Call it a day if you can do 3400 CL14. Higher than that will require looser timings and basically slower speeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NemesisChild View Post
    Not sure what you're trying to achieve by pushing your memory that high.

    Essentially the sweet spot is 3200 CL14. Call it a day if you can do 3400 CL14. Higher than that will require looser timings and basically slower speeds.
    Actually that's my goal. But! I couldn't run my kit stable at those settings - earlier I've tried just pushing ram from xmp 3000 to 3200mhz. System booted up, but I had numerous crashes and errors.

    Now, with all-manual stuff, I can't make it run 3200 CL14, though kit is factory binned to 3000 CL14 - so it should easy ramp up additional 200 mhz without significant vRAM increase or CAS loose. Maybe I need exact example of secondary timings for 3200 mhz

    P.S. BTW, isn't 3600CL16 ~= 3200CL14? Considering the table here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency
    +/- same latency, cycle time is on 3600 mhz ram side.
    And both configurations are far away from 3000MHz CL14 - so, ATM, after I achieved some stability within 3600 16-16-16-36-2N, dunno if I really need that 3200CL14.
    As for 4000 CL18 - you know, it's all about numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmt.taran View Post
    I've never payed much attention to DRAM OC (XMP or simple clock raise aat 1-2 steps), but now I was itching to hike the system to the max.
    But I've bumped into concrete wall.

    So, the specs are 8700K, x hero, gskill trident 2x16GB B-die dual rank 14-14-14-34 1.35V 3000 mhz ram.

    I've started from available on the market maximum - that is 4000 CL19 2x16 ram. I've checked primary timings, raised vSA/vIO to 1.30V (thus, 1.35 aftre boot), RAM was at 1.45V, that is more than factory 4000 mhz requires. Boot failed.
    Then I've took moderate approach, decreased target frequency to 3600MHz, 17-19-39, vSA/vIO left the same, vRAM - 1.4V. I wasn't able to boot.
    I've checked all things couple more times, raised vRAM to 1.45, kicked CL20 timings, raised vSA/vIO to 1.38V - nothing helped.

    In both situations, boot stucked at RAM initialization with Qcode 6A.

    Tried to push RAM at 3200 MHz withing factory settings - system does boot, but for veeeeery long time + it is not stable at all - numerous errors, application crashes, etc.

    What am I doing wrong?

    hello here is my specs

    8700k @ 5.1 ghz @ 1.296 v -manual
    Asus x hero z-370 wifi - bios 1602-latest
    16gb ( 2 x 8 gb ) g.skill (Trident-z RGB ) 3000 mhz cl-14-14-14-34 1.35v

    i have my ram over clocked to 4000 cl-17-17-17-37 1.4v vccio @ 1.2v / vcssa @1.2v

    100 % stable in asus real bench , prime 95 , mem test 86 , gaming

    i can run 4133 18-19-19-39 , 4133 cl-19-19-19-39 , 4200 cl-19-19-19-39 it starts to **** on me around 4200

    pretty good for a g,skill rgb 3000 cl-14 samsung bdie kit im running 16gb though . yes there samsung bdies typhoon reader says so .

    if u need some help i can help yas ! i wouldnt go past 1.2 ish" vccio / vcssa though over time .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass junkie xl View Post
    hello here is my specs

    8700k @ 5.1 ghz @ 1.296 v -manual
    Asus x hero z-370 wifi - bios 1602-latest
    16gb ( 2 x 8 gb ) g.skill (Trident-z RGB ) 3000 mhz cl-14-14-14-34 1.35v

    i have my ram over clocked to 4000 cl-17-17-17-37 1.4v vccio @ 1.2v / vcssa @1.2v

    100 % stable in asus real bench , prime 95 , mem test 86 , gaming

    i can run 4133 18-19-19-39 , 4133 cl-19-19-19-39 , 4200 cl-19-19-19-39 it starts to **** on me around 4200

    pretty good for a g,skill rgb 3000 cl-14 samsung bdie kit im running 16gb though . yes there samsung bdies typhoon reader says so .

    if u need some help i can help yas ! i wouldnt go past 1.2 ish" vccio / vcssa though over time .
    Lucky You, 8700K 5.1@1.296 is not bad. Mine is a dud - 5GHz only at 1.38V stable (within my system at least) - so I don't deny the possibility of CPU limits - that it simple can't run most of RAM can do..

    BTW, could You please look out for secondary timings?*
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