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    Quote Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post
    I'd set Memory Frequency [3200MHz], load The Stilt 3200MHz Safe timings preset, set VBOOT/VDIMM 1.35V, set SOC manually to 1V. Test this with Kahru RAM Test. Usually I'll run test to 1000%, do a reboot and rerun and go for higher % in test. I "repeat & rinse" test a few times to be sure I have no run to run POST training variance. Then I'd for 3333MHz using the 3333MHz Safe timings, next 3466MHz using correct preset of timings.

    Kahru RAM Test is a very worth while investment if you wanna test RAM. For me it has been very consistent, fast at finding errors and extremely easy to use. I have used GSAT on Linux Mint/Win OS, HCI Memtest v5.0/v6.0, TPU Memtest64, etc.

    All 3x 2700X I have tested on C7H WiFi, using 10x sticks of G.Skill 3200MHz C14 2x8GB Samsung B die, need less than 1V SOC to do 3466MHz The Stilt 1T with 1.35V VDIMM. So IMO experience easily should be doable on your Flare X kit.
    So, should I manually set the RAM Speed to a particular frequency (like 3333 Mhz) and then choose Stilt's presets to tighten the timings? I was trying to OC the RAM by choosing DOCP Standard and then choosing different Stilt's presets. Maybe that was why I could not OC the RAM?

    Is it safe to choose 3333 Mhz with Stilt's 3333 Fast Preset; with SoC set to 1V and VBOOT / VDIMM @ 1.35V?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullerms View Post
    So, should I manually set the RAM Speed to a particular frequency (like 3333 Mhz) and then choose Stilt's presets to tighten the timings? I was trying to OC the RAM by choosing DOCP Standard and then choosing different Stilt's presets. Maybe that was why I could not OC the RAM?

    Is it safe to choose 3333 Mhz with Stilt's 3333 Fast Preset; with SoC set to 1V and VBOOT / VDIMM @ 1.35V?
    It does not matter if you choose memory frequency at first or after loading the DRAM timings preset.

    When you load a timings preset it does not set memory frequency on Extreme Tweaker page for you. When you load the timings preset VBOOT & VDIMM will be 1.4V. So far none of the dimms I have used with gen 2+C7H, needed 1.35V for 3466MHz. 3533MHz/3600MHz is where each kit seems to need slightly differing VBOOT & VDIMM.

    It shouldn't have been an issue using other timings whilst on D.O.C.P, but I can not say for sure as I have rarely used D.O.C.P.

    It is safe to use whatever frequency/timings presets you wish with 1V SOC 1.35V VBOOT/VDIMM. SOC upto 1.2V is non issue, DDR4 as per JEDEC must be able sustain 1.5V.

    I forgot to state that in my base/OC profiles I also set BCLK Frequency [100.0000].

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    Quote Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post
    It does not matter if you choose memory frequency at first or after loading the DRAM timings preset.
    When you load a timings preset it does not set memory frequency on Extreme Tweaker page for you. When you load the timings preset VBOOT & VDIMM will be 1.4V. So far none of the dimms I have used with gen 2+C7H, needed 1.35V for 3466MHz. 3533MHz/3600MHz is where each kit seems to need slightly differing VBOOT & VDIMM.

    Yes, I noticed that choosing Stilt's preset bumps up the RAM voltage to 1.4V; so should I go back and manually reduce it to 1.35V?

    And I could not find VDIMM in the BIOS, which page / category is it parked under?

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    I like to profile what voltage I need for x setup. So I would start at 1.35V and see where you end up. This way you gain experience on how your hardware is reacting to OC/room temperature conditions, etc.

    The F4-3200C14D-16GVK I use currently need 1.35V for 3466MHz & 3533MHz. For 3600MHz I used 1.380V for a 1.5 days worth of testing, this was lower than past UEFI tests. So to me it seemed UEFI 1201 has improved on 1103. Today I am testing in higher room ambient than past testing. Now it seems I need 1.385V. I am not surprised by this as room ambient affects OC'ing more when nearer the edge of stability and if we have created profile with no overhead of voltages, etc. Once you have settled on RAM OC and tested it as you'd want, perhaps add a step of SOC/VBOOT & VDIMM voltage, as to build overhead within profile for improved stability.

    When I say VDIMM I mean DRAM Voltage on Extreme Tweaker page.
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    Ok thanks.

    I have configured a BIOS profile with Stilt's Fast 3200 and testing it now.

    One thing I noticed while testing was that the "CPU Socket" temperature is much higher than the CPU itself. Is this normal? Are these temps safe?

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    On my setups never seen as high as socket temperature. As to safe dunno, would be concerning to me.

    The socket contains a thermistor, rarely seen issue with it and I've been glued to C6H/ZE/C7H threads since their launch.

    Even SSD temp is way higher than I experience, what's your room temp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post
    On my setups never seen as high as socket temperature. As to safe dunno, would be concerning to me.

    The socket contains a thermistor, rarely seen issue with it and I've been glued to C6H/ZE/C7H threads since their launch.

    Even SSD temp is way higher than I experience, what's your room temp?
    Yeah, even I am concerned about the high socket temps. The SSDs are mounted just behind the motherboard, but I will be moving them to the front bay when I get some time over the weekend. Maybe it is the SSD mounting plate which is keeping the heat in.

    The ambient temps in the room are around 30 Celcius.

    The case is a fractal design Meshify C, and I think the cooling setup is sufficient for my hardware. I have attached photos, not sure what else I can do to reduce the CPU socket temps. Perhaps I will try running the top row of fans at full speed to see if it makes a difference.

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    Is my issue with socket temps related to the discussion on this thread?

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    Go here. Learn from some of the best.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZgp...L&index=4&t=0s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZRjoeyz4Z0

    Go here to learn the ins and outs of the MB

    https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/86...iew/index.html

    And that case is tiny. There is not enough volume of air in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evo73 View Post
    Go here. Learn from some of the best.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZgp...L&index=4&t=0s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZRjoeyz4Z0

    Go here to learn the ins and outs of the MB

    https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/86...iew/index.html

    And that case is tiny. There is not enough volume of air in it.
    The first video link I hate for 2 reasons.

    Firstly load line calibration is wrongly explained, the nuances of load line calibration were skimmed over, you are better off referencing posts by The Stilt and Raja@ASUS. You will find some of those linked here.

    Secondly the information on ProcODT is ghastly. Again The Stilt and Raja@ASUS gave better information.

    OMG JayzTwoCents I just won't even comment on that.

    Steven I would take my hat off too, his review is worthwhile read, but not really helpful on an OC basis, which is context of thread here.

    Quote Originally Posted by fullerms View Post
    Is my issue with socket temps related to the discussion on this thread?
    I do not think you have SW issue.

    At the time of that thread user was using AIDA64 and HWINFO together. The C6H did not have ASUS WMI implementation in UEFI. AIDA64 was notorious for sending Super IO chip wacko, I did not use it for stability testing/monitoring at all. Only benching RAM and if I did I would use it and only it at the time and do a repost of rig afterwards so Super IO chip would be re-intialised.

    Quote Originally Posted by fullerms View Post
    Yeah, even I am concerned about the high socket temps. The SSDs are mounted just behind the motherboard, but I will be moving them to the front bay when I get some time over the weekend. Maybe it is the SSD mounting plate which is keeping the heat in.

    The ambient temps in the room are around 30 Celcius.

    The case is a fractal design Meshify C, and I think the cooling setup is sufficient for my hardware. I have attached photos, not sure what else I can do to reduce the CPU socket temps. Perhaps I will try running the top row of fans at full speed to see if it makes a difference.
    You case setup looks damn good to me. Clean build and setup favours good airflow. The Meshify C is great choice of case IMO, as it has mesh front, which alot of cases do not.

    Here is result of my rig, very 1st 2700X I had, housed in Silverstone TJ06 with mods. I had modded front intake fans from 1x80mm + 1x120mm to 2x 140mm. I used 2x TY143 as intake fans, I also used 2x TY143 on heatsink, lapped base ThermalRight IB-E X2.

    Room ambient is 29C/30C in this screenie, PState 0 OC of 4.1GHz and 3466MHz RAM.

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    Differing P95, room ambient 28C/30C.

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    I do not know why socket temp is so high on your system. I have always seen gap of at least 10C.

    Below is Threadripper, again has socket diode, room is 29C, case has low airflow. Case is Be Quiet Dark Base 900, I modded front to be all mesh, I have a rad at front and at top of case, so airflow is restricted. Room ambient ~29C, my SSDs are mounted on rear of mobo tray as like you have, so similar temperature, but socket there is still gap on my TR rig.

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    I can also show data for Ryzen gen 1 on C6H, again there is always gap of upto 10C or so, between CPU internal temp vs socket.
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