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    You should invest in a mid-tower or a Full ATX case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vampireor View Post
    And about my case fans i will just disattach them all

    And for the CPU cooler , since im buying a good cpu shall i buy the “noctune or whatever its called ,, ( the grey and brown cooler ) so i can overclock it easily or my cooler is good for now*
    People will recommend an AIO but I'm a huge proponent of air coolers for several reasons:

    a.) they fill the case up nicely.

    2.) there is no risk of water damage to your components. And;

    D.) the CPU cools faster when not under load, as it takes water to cool longer than metal.

    These pros outweigh the performance benefits you get from an AIO or custom loop. For me, anyway. There are people that want 1 million fps at 1080p on Final Fantasy 2 so that they can go an tell their friends that their dads can beat up their dads. Waste of money and the pride is misplaced.

    Unless you know a girl who is impressed by fps. Then pull out all the stop signs and show her some RTX reflections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vampireor View Post
    Well first of all , how shall i make my fan back stick to air ��? Since there are nothing that i can stick it on to from the side ? , or maybe im just too stupid and didnt think enought, well let me borrow some ideas from you , and how shall i do it ,, ( remember there are nothing on the left right top and bottom sides littearly open ) , ik that u know this but eh ��

    And ill be gaming on a 1080p since my monitor is nothing good , its a full hd view sonic 60hz , ill be upgrading to 144hz or 165 soon , but slowley ������*

    Althought i dont care much abt resolution or quality of the game , its all abt how smooth is it. But if it can run a good resolution,, why not ��*




    ** Edit :- unless you are talking abt another case maybe?*
    I was going to suggest a bracket for mounting the fans. There are ways to stick things on when you have the will.

    If you plan on getting a new case that would be fine, too. What you have there is a case optimal for a water loop. Ideally you want a fan moving air over your components regardless of cooling solution. Despite your case being open, you still want some circulation to help the air around the components dissipate. Otherwise your CPU cooler is just sucking the warm VGA air right up into the core, to give you just one example. The motherboard, VRM's, PCH and RAM all get warm, too. Show them some love.

    But don't worry, you're young and a PC building virgin so we'll let it slide. We made our share of mistakes growing up, as well. When I was 6 I thought kissing got girls pregnant.And by 16 years old I couldn't holster my tongue. See the difference experience makes? *thumbs up*
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    Quote Originally Posted by vampireor View Post
    Yeah , NZXT Kraken maybe ? ( which model shall i get you can use “ newegg’s website )
    * And hold on , i know that my case is build for Liquid cooling , but isnt a water cooler good also ��?*
    NZXT Kraken is an excellent AIO. One of the best. Highly recommended.
    However there is very little difference between the various major brands, so pick one you like the look of and which fits your build and case - make sure you pay attention to the length of the hoses relative to the size of your case. Even the ASUS ROG one is good, but it's also quite complex for an AIO because it combines a VRM/Mosfet fan on the pump.

    "Liquid Cooling" and "Water Cooling" are terms often used interchangeably. Most systems include water to some degree and water itself is one of the best coolants and one of the first used in early liquid cooling days. That said you can't just use tap water so most people today buy pre-mixes and AIOs use mixes proprietary to the company that makes them.

    The really important thing with AIOs is 'Don't Cheap Out' and go with a less well known brand that may not be as well known, tested or reviewed because it could save you $20. You're putting liquid near your expensive electric components and relying on it to keep them cool. If there's a leak or the loop fails because of poor manufacture, the consequences are not nice.

    But when done right, the rewards are great and outweigh any risk presented when using a good AIO or parts.
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    Alright.

    I have a small problem i just ran into , i didn’t start my pc for like 4 days now been outside the city and had the electricity of my pc turned off , i just turned it on and its soo laggy / slow , i have a driver update from nvidia that im doing rn is it because i didnt have my driver up to date??
    That’s wierd ?, or is it that my CPU is getting older ? , or is it a normal issue and will be fixed by itself ?*

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    There is far more benefit to liquid cooling than just high FPS, and in fact both a monitor (with a great refresh rate) and some games will limit your FPS to where the higher frame rates you can get from base cards at stock BIOS are pretty much moot, never mind liquid cooled and OC'd.

    The biggest point to Liquid Cooling is lower temperatures. Sometimes by up to 25c. This means several things:
    * ability to reach Higher Voltages and Clock Speeds when OverClocking
    * Not reaching temps where your component Temperature Throttles
    * Less wear and tear on your components under load, especially when OC-ing - thus longer life
    * if you live in a hot climate, it also keeps your temps cooler
    * quieter systems, almost silent unless under benchmarking loads.
    * Faster cooling when dropping load on your components

    To that last I disagree that it takes more time to cool down a liquid cooled rig, because of physics: Water conducts heat better than metal, which is why water cooling systems are better at cooling. The heat is dissipating off of metal anyway, as it's dissipating off radiator fins just like in an air cooler, however you have more surface area to dissipate heat from, more air flow over that area, and heat being carried to them from a better heat conductor. And lastly, when you start at a lower temperature to begin with, you're already starting lower than an OC'd CPU or GPU under load in air. Add the rest and you drop lower faster.

    For Example. My general surfing and work temps don't get above 32c. Usually in gaming on ultra settings I don't get over 42c. I ran a base benchmark - not OC'd yet - last night and didn't get over 54c on my GPU in Superposition. Once I stopped the test I was back down to 32c in less than a second. You can find similar results on any water cooling channel in You Tube for video proof.

    There is minimal risk involved in liquid cooling and anyone would be silly to ignore that. Just like there's risk in Overclocking. Leaks though are rare with good AIOs. It's a huge market and wouldn't do so well as it does if this were really a big issue. The bigger problem is loss of cooling if your AIO is cheap and clogs. And if you do a custom loop, taking care to properly leak check and then maintain your system. Even then, the liquid used is non-conductive and remains so for a long time. Taking care of your system and monitoring it - as you definitely should anyway if you OC - you're likely to notice an issue before it causes any damage.

    While I state that Cooler Temps = Higher Clock Speeds and Better all around performance and life, and will point to the real OC champs being the LN2 Coolers as yet more proof of this, I also agree that much of the performance gain is not something the average gamer would notice with their own senses, or really even need. Like I said, your FPS is limited by your monitor and often by the game itself, and that's not the only stat. Movies and TV frames are 32 to 34 FPS because the Human Eye can't actually process much faster than that. Unless you're a competitive gamer or OC-er, the reaction times will mean little to you, and even the best competitive gamers can't make use of all the reaction headroom they get with the best rigs out there.

    All this said, in the end it comes down to enthusiasts who like the look and the challenge and pushing their systems and their knowledge. It's up to you what you want to do and what you like. Air can do the job just fine. But it doesn't do the very best and imo it doesn't look as clean or as nice. But then I must be one of those girls who like high frame rates and bling.
    Last edited by S4lticid; 04-11-2019 at 07:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vampireor View Post
    Alright.

    I have a small problem i just ran into , i didn’t start my pc for like 4 days now been outside the city and had the electricity of my pc turned off , i just turned it on and its soo laggy / slow , i have a driver update from nvidia that im doing rn is it because i didnt have my driver up to date??
    That’s wierd ?, or is it that my CPU is getting older ? , or is it a normal issue and will be fixed by itself ?*
    Hmm. It seems slower than you're used to, you mean? Or slower in comparison to something else?

    What exactly is slower? Booting? Login? Loading any programs? Downloads? Surfing?

    A GPU driver wouldn't cause that. Depending on where you're seeing the issue specifically that would define where the issue is. Like slower download and browsing could be your internet connection. Slow install and load could indicate your hard drive. It could be malware. Bloat on your operating system at startup...

    It could be that it's been a few days and you're just noticing how slow it appears again because you've been away from it for a while too. Either way, we would need more specifics to start to make guesses.

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    Okay I’ll restart my pc and test it all.
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    Never mind, it seemed that my pc didn't heat well CZ it's been a lot of time off

    So now I wanna ask another question: x, I'm sorry if I'm giving a lot of questions but meh, a noob learning from pro's ^.^

    So whenever I go to " pc-builds.com " and then head to bottleneck checker I get 6% bottleneck so that's very good, but whenever I go into a game like overwatch on my pc I get 90% GPU and 60-70-80% on CPU is that normal?

    Edit:- I mean my current build "Gtx MSI 960 2gb " / " I3-7100 "


    and one more thing I can't find the new GPU that I want to buy in a few day's in the bottleneck checker tab ? can you tell me where can I find it or what is the same as it? I only find my gtx 960

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    Quote Originally Posted by vampireor View Post
    Never mind, it seemed that my pc didn't heat well CZ it's been a lot of time off

    So now I wanna ask another question: x, I'm sorry if I'm giving a lot of questions but meh, a noob learning from pro's ^.^

    So whenever I go to " pc-builds.com " and then head to bottleneck checker I get 6% bottleneck so that's very good, but whenever I go into a game like overwatch on my pc I get 90% GPU and 60-70-80% on CPU is that normal?

    Edit:- I mean my current build "Gtx MSI 960 2gb " / " I3-7100 "


    and one more thing I can't find the new GPU that I want to buy in a few day's in the bottleneck checker tab ? can you tell me where can I find it or what is the same as it? I only find my gtx 960
    This is normal. You'd be able to tell whether your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU when the CPU numbers are high (more than 90%) whilst your GPU usage is low. That's what you should expect with your Vega card.
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